Here Today... Gone To Hell!

 Has anyone ever listened to the exchange between Axl and Buckethead at the Tokyo show? I haven't seen the video, I'm just going by the bootleg I listen to. It happens after The Blues. Axl says:" Well, are we gonna do that? Aren't ya gonna do that? Aren't ya gonna play that thing over there? Hey! Answer me! Hey! Hey! Hey!" And then Buckethead starts playing the guitar. This is hilarious! I would've loved to have been a fly on the wall backstage when Axl confronted him over this.       I know Buckethead has his little act going, but when Axl Rose asks you a question, you fuckin answer him. You dont just stand there like a deaf mute! Such total disrespect! Bucket is lucky he wasn't fired that night. I can now understand why he's no longer in the band. Just a total lack of communication. Imagine being in Axl's shoes. Try recording an album with a guy who wont even answer a simple question onstage. Kind of puts the whole wait in a slightly different perspective, doesn't it?                 Tommy doesn't like the guy. I understand why now. He gives zero feedback. Its a miracle he lasted as long as he did. I used to hope that his parts are on the album. Not anymore. He doesn't deserve to bask in Axl's limelght. I have one thing to say to Buckethead: "Good Riddance!" Breaking News: The long wait wasn't Axl's fault! It was that Helen Keller, chicken eating bastard's fault! Damn you, Buckethead! LMAO!!

How do you know that Tommy doesn't like the guy??

tommy said so.

that whole silent thing is an act... he talks backstage, if he didnt there'd be be no fucking way he'd have made it as far as he did.  and if axl fired him cuz he didnt answer him on stage then axl would def. be the douche bag in this situation... and fuck that shit about bucket holding up chinese democracy... you don't know, you have noooooo idea what the reason is.

No, you're totally on the wrong track. ::)  They say Axl loved BH (well too much, which I don't agree)          No. What's wrong with Helen Keller? Yo? Hey! Answer me! Hey! Hey! Hey!

Bucket, I know its an act. Which makes what he did even more shameful! Do you think if Axl asked Izzy or Slash, or even Robin or Tommy something, that they would ignore him? I dont think so! If anyone ever deserved an ass kicking, it was Buckethead on that night in Tokyo. I usually skip the rants and dead silence between the songs, but last night I listened to it all the way through. I was amazed at this brief exchange between the two of them. I'm also surprised no one else had mentioned this. did Buckethead do other similar stunts at any of the other shows? Who has the video of this? How does the exchange play out on video?

Is buckethead an autist? It's a serious question.

The question is: Why the hell Axl brang him in the band? To a certain extent, Axl is also to blame. He is the boss isn't he? so he is responsible of his own choices....and of his own mistakes. About Buckethead, in french we call that "une erreur de casting". That's exactly what it is: the wrong guy at the wrong place at the wrong moment in the wrong band. Sure he was talented, but something was wrong with that guy from the begining. He didn't seem happy in GN'R, he didn't seem at his right place. I think he is better as a solo artist. GN'R was too big for him.

Yawn.

 ::)

I agree, nesquick. I used to think he was quite a good choice for GNR. He actually fit in to the whackiness that is now GNR and I had a positive opinion about the guy. That opinion is now forever gone. Its hard to believe Axl kept the guy in the band for more then a year after this incident. I have a feeling that when Axl starts doing interviews again and is asked about the wait after 2002, Buckethead's name will be mentioned several times.

Falcon, thanks for enlightening us with that intellectually stimulating post.

if you listen to the Tacoma soundboard show you hear Axl yelling at Brain after November Rain...says something about his loud drumming on that particular song

I think you guys should climb out of Axls ass for a second and stop assuming any friction in the band is not Axls fault but everyone elses

Buckethead is way above dealing with a joke like axl these days. It probably seemed like something worthwhile & profitable 5 years ago, but BigB saw what a dildo that whaxl has become and split. When u have people like Serj wanting to work with u, hasbeens like axl are no longer needed.

My "yawn" and  ::) was much more well thought out than the following:

"Axl Rose asks you a question, you fuckin answer him."

I think it's time to finally realize (like most already have) BH thought of GNR as a mere side project
and was somewhat less than interested in the music he had to play during his involvement with GNR.
 

 ?Buckethead was a definite gamble. ?It was all a risk-reward thing. ?If GNR could have harnessed this guy's talent, the sky was the limit...I feel like I'm talking about my favorite football team the Minnesota Vikings and the just-departed super-talent/locker-room cancer Randy Moss. ?Hopefully, at some point in the future we get to hear the real story straight from all parties involved. ? :-\

Probably one of the most childish , over dramatic and ignorant posts I've ever read here.  ::)

And if you actually believe for one second that Buckethead "doesnt talk" to fellow bandmates backstage and in the studio then you sir really need to back away from the computer and go out and get some fresh air. I actually had to read your post multiple times just to assure myself you were being serious.  ??? ???

Hilarious.  :rofl:

message board gold this is.

I find it strange that most of you dont think ignoring someone is rude. If someone asks you a question, do you ignore them? If I were Axl, I would have walked over there and knocked that mask off of his face.

Buckethead was far from a "mistake", it made perfect sense for Axl to want him in the band. It was, however, a mistake to bring him in while the band isn't moving forward. It was a waste of time and talent to have BH learning old GNR songs. And if he was being asked to play within GNR-esque parameters   in the studio then there's no reason for him, in particular, to be involved. I don't know if that was the case, perhaps someone else can clarify that. Either way, you could have just about any other professional guitarist filling that role. Now, a GNR focused around BH as the crowning jewel, that would be something else.

How do you know that he wasn't answering? It's not as if he was likely to communicate via the PA system. Perhaps he was having technical problems? Basing your little conspiracy theory on an audio track with only one side of the conversation seems a little idiotic.

 ::)

Even though Buckethead has a couple black belts in various martial arts and would likely knock that wig off axl's head with his nunchuka's.  : ok:  :rofl:

But seriously , instead of getting way way off topic here .. you say Buckethead ignored axl ... you havent even seen video of what took place , axl coulda been talking to any of the band members. Moreover , if he was talking to Bucket , have you stopped to think for one second that maybe Buckethead didnt hear him? maybe Bucket was talking to someone else at that moment like his guitar tech or another band member? maybe he was tuning his guitar , fixing an effect pedal or any other number of things.

Dont just be ignorant and say that because axl had to ask Bucket something twice that all of a sudden it's Buckets fault democracy isnt out and his parts should be erased from the album.  ::)

Do you even realize how juvenile that sounds?  ???

Well , on IRS Buckethead plays a solo thats obviously "his" style and also on bootlegs of Silkworms , Rhiad and Oh My God you also can hear Bucket going off with his own style .. most certainly as far away from "slash style" soloing .. so I'm gonna harbor a guess that he was afforded quite some freedom to stretch out and do some solo's that , if ever heard on an album , will obviously be easily reconized as Buckethead guitar work.

I'm also pretty sure Bucket layed down alot of "traditional" style solo's too as Buckethead can tear up the "blues" type solo style slash is famous for. Then again , what style cant Big B do on a guitar? Oh yeah .. none.  :hihi:

I never said it was a "conspiracy theory". I was just passing along something I had failed to notice before in that show. And it is Buckethead he's talking to. Maybe Axl didnt think it was a big deal. Maybe Buckethead always does that kind of shit. I just thought it was rude for him to be ignored like that. Something else that's funny is how Falcon had to 'Yawn' in his reply to my thread. But he's been living in this thread ever since I posted it.

That's true but I do wonder if, given numerous takes of a part in the studio, whether Axl would choose the most out-there BH style take or the most conservative one. I would hope for the former, but there's no way to know.

It must have been frustrating though, to be asked to replicate Slash's leads on the old songs, especially when most of the material they played live was the old band's stuff. Certainly, Buckethead shines brightest on the live recordings when he's going off on his own ?thing, we can only imagine what he could have brought to the old material given a free hand.

Then again maybe the whole situation was completely uninspiring to him, even the new material sounds like standard GNR fare with a just a few tweaks. There's not really any obvious (to me) BH influence in the tracks we've heard so far, which leaves me wondering how much he was allowed to collaborate in the songwriting aspect. That's where he'd have been most beneficial to the group, in my opinion. Just asking him to riff on a Paul Tobias composition would be somewhat of a waste by comparison. ?

You've still failed to prove that BH was ignoring Axl. Until you do, any specualtion on the subject is pointless.

What am I supposed to prove?? I heard what I heard. If I was the only person with a copy of the concert, I could see you asking me to prove it. Go listen to it!! Until then, all speculation by you is basically "pointless".

Oh God, here goes:

What would you hear on the recording if BH had answered him? Nothing. Buckethead wouldn't have a mic and wouldn't speak into it if he did have one, so how do you know that Axl was being ignored? All you heard was Axl yelling. Perhaps BH wasn't even aware that Axl was talking to him, "you. . . over there" could be anyone in the band. I know that people here are desperate for somehting new to talk about, but you're clutching at straws now.

 Then why does Axl have to keep repeating himself? HK-47, have you even listened to it? I'm grasping at straws?? I think a person who goes from thread to thread insulting people is grasping at straws. You have nothing to say, so you have to go around criticizing someone else's posts or you insult them. Pretty pathetic!

I have never listened to it. I did notice, however, that your transcription of the nonevent ends with the words "hey! hey! hey!" which sounds a lot like someone trying to attract the attention of another, as opposed to something you'd say to someone looking right at you, does it not?


I think it's pretty clear that I don't go from thread to thread insulting people as I would be banned for doing so. However, every time you accuse me of it I'm forced to insult you a little for even suggesting it. You big stupidhead.

HAHAHAHAHAHA lets see how good Minnesota do this season, Culpepper was on pace to break Marino's record until Moss got injured and then what did Culpepper do? absolutely nothing.

I am a Vikings fan also but that was one of the worst trades in any sport ever.

He's talking to the sound people responsible for his ear monitor, not to Brain.

Now I know why Axl called the internet a garbage can :rofl:

I think he's talking to the guys doing his monitor mix actually ;)

Like forget Axl getting mad at Buckethead... I am getting mad that no CD has been released after how many years of it being in the works... how many years of final touches does it need anyway?

Nah, I cant't say that I am mad.  And I doubt Axl was about to throw a fit of rage at Bhead.  It was just one comment, among thousands that people make everyday.  I do not think it was very significant at all.

does anyone have the file of him "Spazing" at BH?  Maybe put it up on Yousendit or Youshareit?

I think he's bee pissed at lot of people recently like at the "sound guy" in RIR III :yes: :no: :yes:

It's customary to ignore people being assholes isn't it?

Buckethead wasn't hired to be Axl's servant, he was hired to lend his talent to the band(or should have been).

As far as the "If Axl asked you a question, you better fucking answer him" comment.....

Corny, stupid and extremely full of brown-nosing mentality.

Noone has to kiss Axl's ass in order to perform their art, and Bucket obviously felt the same way because HE WALKED THE FUCK OUT TOO!

Keep your ego in check or you will always remain a "washed-up has-been".

Understand? DO YA?!!! HUH?!!! DO YA?!!!! ::)

"This is a song that, uh, this is a song that the working title is called ?The Blues.?? After ?The Blues,? Axl again jokes, ?Are we gonna do that? Are ?choo gonna do that? Are ?choo gonna play that thing over there? Hey answer me, haha! Hey, hey, hey! Cool. Ladies and gentlemen, once again, Mr. Buckethead!? Right after he does what seems like a very funny Eric Cartman [from South Park] impression."  I think theres ur answer this is from that consert!!!

Well, Buckethead is gone, it's a good thing. Talent? sure he was talented but Richard and Robin are enough talented together to put GN'R at the top again. 2 cohesive guitarists are better than 3 individualities without connexion. It's like a sport team you see?
The new GN'R isn't a question of talent: That point is ok.
The new GN'R is now a question of image, of reputation toward the general public especially after the 2002 avorted tour. That's what they all should care about now. Credibility. We are not in 1992 anymore, nobody is waiting for GN'R (exept us), the band has to "seduce" the general public now The talent is here, not the credibility. Buckethead's departure was an exellent thing for that point. Now let's hope Finck forget his goth image in GN'R forever (because it is a damage) and Guns N' Roses 2.0. will be ready to rule the world.

Thanks so much latti10 for clearing it up.  : ok:
How ridiculously misleading the extract misread totally out of context can be! It's a crime. >:(
RustyCage. now you know it's not Axl who believes in feudalism.

And how!
I find it rather strange that you haven't answered my question yet. Or is it deliberate? >:(

Helen Keller is nothing short of a fucking legend. And Her teacher Anne Sullivan.
Being kind sometimes rigorous with Helen She never gave her up. Her indomitable spirit did wonders for the girl.
She responded to the teacher's bearing by bearing down and eventually surmounted incredible difficulties she had born with.

so with buckethead on board it was 3 individuals , but with him gone it's a 2 player cohesive unit? Brilliant.

You've seen the band play live since Bucket left I take it?  :hihi:

Or at least his puppet does... the mask ! :hihi:

Now, seriously, I have always thought BH was a freak and he doesn't fit into GNR... I even don't like when Robin wears that stupid clothes...

Sorry if the thread was misleading. How would I know that Axl was doing a south park imitation? I've never seen the show. And to the guy bitching about my Buckethead/Helen Keller comparison: It was a joke!

THE problem with brian is he lives in his OWN FUCKING WORLD! In the fiber of my being I wouldnt doubt the fucker is not completely human. People like that are impossible because HIS idea is always right and YOUR idea is always wrong....Hey EVERYONE has their own bravado, everyone has their own ego but sometimes you gotta push that shit to the side ya dig?

"You meant everything
Everything to me
Gone fading everything
And all that could have been"

Dizzy starts "The Blues" not Bucket

"THE problem with brian is he lives in his OWN FUCKING WORLD! In the fiber of my being I wouldnt doubt the fucker is not completely human. People like that are impossible because HIS idea is always right and YOUR idea is always wrong....Hey EVERYONE has their own bravado, everyone has their own ego but sometimes you gotta push that shit to the side ya dig?"

That's funny...you could say the same about Axl...LOL :hihi:...

where's the clip?

Granted, BH looked way out of place in GNR... so does Fink for that matter.  However, BH leaving was a bad thing for the band.  Of all the guitarists, he's the only one that compares to Slash.  Why haven't they played a show since he left?  Cause it'll be hard to replace him.  Fink alone cannot handle the solos... he's not that great a lead.  Neither can Fortus.  They both butcher them.  BH was always band on!

Someone else is out of place.

your full of shit!!

Sorry estranged.1098... maybe I should have said something along the lines of "The new GNR is so much better than the old band.    BH leaving was good for the band and Fortus and Fink are way better than Clarke, Slash and Izzy combined."  How's that?  Maybe then I would fit in.

I'm out of place?  You're probably right.  I have better things to do other than wait for Chinese Democracy and argue over what Axl Rose ate for breakfast.  When it eventually comes out, I'll buy it.  In the meantime, I've got a life to live.

This message board is so pathetic, nothing but pointless threads regarding useless topics.  God bless the internet!

"It's a handy tool" - Axl Rose

I THINK BH IS A BIT OF A FREAK AY.
I WAS WATCHING A CLIP AND IT DIDNT EVEN LOOK LIKE HE FELT THE MUSIC HEY.. YEAH HE SOUNDED GOOD BUT HE WAS JUST STANDING THERE LIKE A SOLDIER PLAYING HIS GUITAR.
NO OFFENCE TO B/H FANS,
BUT I DONT THINK HE FITS IN WITH THE REST OF gnr

NOT FREAKY ENOUGH TO TYPE IN ALL-CAPS THOUGH, KTHXBYE.

Agree, 100 percent.

This thread is full of whoppers.

sorry must av pressed caps lock. dont need to be rude about it

So in your opinion "sounding good" @ playing music should take a back seat to jumping around and "feeling" it while you bend notes out of tune and butcher solo's?  ???

Well if you are like me who grew up with gnr and watched slash adn like him it's weird to see a guy like Bh onstage.. Live wise we all  love axl for his sprints and wacky dancing so it would be weird to see soem guy who sings but never moves.. I actually like to see the guy's face for emotion when he plays

Most of the time you couldnt see slashes face behind the hair and top hat!!

Regardless , if you rather see someones "face" while they play out of tune crap before hearing a guitarist actually play in key .. thats cool. Thats personal opinion and I respect that.

Yep, because guitarists hardly ever make the stupidest facial expressions ever seen while playing. If this were my world, all guitarists would be forced to wear masks, as a public service.

Hear! Hear! Not only does he bend them out of tune, he falls behind the tempo of the song. Finck's solos have no fluidity whatsoever, very jumpy and cacophonous.

really saul most of the times you couldn't see the face?? Must have never seen the live shows.. I only said I like to be able to see emotion live.. That's not that out of this world..


if you resepcted that you wouldn't throw a back handed comment in there.. Yes it's all out of tune and it's all crap..

I agree about the playing out of tune. But I'm gonna try not to judge their playing until the album comes out. Several of the songs have great potential, specifically 'The Blues' and 'Chinese Democracy'. Lyrically, The Blues is one of Axl's finest pieces of work. I think of it as like an anti-love song. You can just feel Axl's desperation in the song. It's almost like he's giving up on life. And I really like 'Chinese Democracy'. Its funny how alot of people fail to recognize how Axl takes a few shots at us in the songs first few verses.

I actually didnt see many live shows until "later on" .. back in 87 I was just becoming a teen and wasnt into trading "tapes" .. hell I guess there wasnt many video tapes of gnr circulating until a lil later on. So for my 1st few years of being a GNR fan Slash was just as mysterious to me as Buckethead! For real.

As for the back handed comment , I think your right man , it was kinda back handed , sorry. I understand whereyou are coming from about "seeing" the emotion ... but I guess I can see the "emotion" when I watch Bucket play. I see it in the way he moves , subtle head banging , lil things he does with his guitar , especially when he starts pushing the stretch starap around .. then you know he's getting into it!

His solo shows are where you see him become most animated , though I should digress.

As for the playing out of tune and the material on the album .. I think what robin plays on the album will be night and day compared to what he does live. Any player in the studio that long has no excuse for any note to be out of tune. Hopefully there will be some memorable guitar work on the album .. just hope it can be replicated live.

if he felt the music and got into it a bit i recon he would have done much better... thats just my opinion... i didnt like the clip i saw cos he was like a statue.. i dont dig that... yeah i would rather see him jumping around and "feeling" the music... wouldnt hurt him to have a bit of enthuziasm
i dont like him anyways, so im glad he has gone!

dude slash left the band years ago, get over it.

and if you need to see his face, i dont think you are into the music, you are more of a flaming fanatic who wants shot in the face with slash's load  :hihi:

I can see how fans like "seeing" the performers play the music .. but people can see Buckethead play the music as well. His mask , to him , is his face ... does it matter if you cant see him snarl his lips and grit his teeth while playing?  ???

no, i dont think it matters  ;D

All the shows I went to on the 2002 tour, I could not take my eyes off Bucket.