Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ladies and gentlemen,

  I think tonight is a pretty big night and could possibly influence some of your thoughts on the whole, "Is rock dead?" issue.  I'll be the first to admit, the television show "American Idol," is very lame...but...this year, a "rocker" has made it to the final 2 and a winner is announced tonight.  At least 25 to 30 million people will watch the conclusion tonight that will crown the winner.  Bo Bice is the name, and he seems to have a slight edge over his opponent Kerri Underwood a pop/country chick who's pretty cute.  Bice has a pretty good voice and good stage presence.  If Bice wins, he gets parents around the country to buy their kids "acceptable" rock n' roll.  You do the math, once kids get a taste for rock, they'll want the real stuff!  That real stuff is Axl and GNR!  This could be setting up for a beautiful year indeed!!  Does anybody think this is a likely possibility???  Remember, at least 25 to 30 million folks in the United States will be watching, and several million votes were cast.  Anybody agree that this will have a positive effect on GNR?

I don't think this will have an effect on GN'R in any way.

Do you actually think Bois going to get the backing of really rock fans ?

I can't imagine that it's a likely possibility...

American Idol is nothing more than an overhyped talent show. So my answer is no, they will absolutely not affect GnR or any recording artist in any way shape or form ?:peace:

uh.....no.

Ohhhhh, the delay on CD was that Axl was waiting for a Rocker to win American Idol? :confused: :confused:

I had better text message my vote for Bo Bice!!! :rofl: :rofl:

Seriously though. No, i don't think it'll have an impact on GnR.

   My answer to your question is no...but guess what?  To turn Chinese Democracy into a commercial success, which is what I'm guessing marketing execs, record companies, etc., want it to be, you need people to buy it.  I guess what I'm saying is this.  A teen-ager buys or gets bought for them a Clay Aiken or Kelly Clarkson cd.  As a result, there's not a big chance they are going to go out and buy or get bought for them, Chinese Democracy.  Bo Bice wins American Idol, millions will buy his album and tens of thousands will see him perform.  He will have some rock songs with nice hooks played 24/7 on pop/rock radio stations (3 Doors Down, new Aerosmith, new Bon Jovi, Killers-like stuff).  This stuff is like a gateway to GNR.  American Idol fans who'd probably never pick up a rock album will pick it up and want more.  That's where Chinese Democracy comes in.  Remember, it wasn't just "true rock fans" who bought the Illusions, Appetite, and Lies.  November Rain, SCOM, and Patience alone probably hooked the "non-rock fans" in.  I'd bet without those 3 diddies, you'd lose at least 25% of those album sales.  Anyone agree?   

well even if its big im american i can assure you rock's not gonna be popular in the crappy uk for a long time. To many chavs and idiots with no good music choice.

I see where you are coming from, but, I don't think that GnR plans to rely on anyone "helping" them get record sales.
If the songs are catchy then people will want to hear them, same as it always works. Just because I like GnR doesn't make me want to hear Warrant or whatever, or Just because you may think Bo is a good singer doesn't necessarily mean you think Dave Grohl is, know what I'm gettin' at?

I don't mean to offend you, too much, but you're a fuckin' idiot.

What does being American have to do with popular music in the UK? And what does UK music popularity have to do with American Idol?

some of u people think waaaaay too much. ::) this is one of the more ignorant, desperate threads i've seen here in awhile.

I see where you are coming from, but, I don't think that GnR plans to rely on anyone "helping" them get record sales.
If the songs are catchy then people will want to hear them, same as it always works. Just because I like GnR doesn't make me want to hear Warrant or whatever, or Just because you may think Bo is a good singer doesn't necessarily mean you think Dave Grohl is, know what I'm gettin' at?


 ? Neemo, good points, but I think you'd be surprised at how far these marketers will go to sell product. ?It's similar to the tobacco companies selling candy-flavored cigarettes, which is what I've heard they're planning on doing. ?Axl is a smart man and realized Nov. Rain, SCOM, and Patience open you up to 50% more of the populace. (it gets the female fannies into the seats, and some 40-somethings who have mellowed out a bit) ?I bet even the performers get a laugh out of it...wasn't Buy Product a possible title for the Illusions? ?Funny stuff. ?
 ?
 ? Seriously though, we all know Grohl is limited when it comes to vocals like alot of the more recent rock bands. (even though I think he's got some good music) ?What's intriguing about this Bice character is that he has a "look" that harkens back to the glory days of rock with the long hair, sunglasses, and has a good singing voice. ?He is energetic on stage (not grunge energy which is growl, sneer, and stare at the guitar) ?I want this to go on record today, if CD is released this year, there will be at least 1 article written talking about a "comeback in rock" that mentions Bo Bice and Axl Rose in the same article. ?Call me crazy...and to the other Stern fans out there, I'm no Bo-mo. ?;) ?Anyone still think I'm nuts? ? ?:D

PS  I just saw W Botaxl's nice response.  This is an "ignorant and desperate" thread?  In what way good sir?   

W. Botaxl Rose says, "Axl's nothing but a joke, a bad joke." 

-May 11, 2005

My post was ignorant?   ::)

He reminds me of Shannon Hoon (the look I mean) or Mike McCready (Temple of the Dog era)

But I do think you are nuts but it's ok if said article emerges I'll be first to commend you. If anything Bo will try to ride Axl's coat-tails not the other way around. : ok:

Nah I dont think so

It would be nice to have a rocker win

Neemo:  "But I do think you are nuts but it's ok if said article emerges I'll be first to commend you. If anything Bo will try to ride Axl's coat-tails not the other way around.

Neemo, I didn't mean to imply he'd be riding Bo's coat-tails.  Not at all.  Axl's gonna do whatever the hell he wants, which is a good thing!  I'm just saying Bo Bice winning will "Bo"de well for GNR success if CD is dropped this year.  That's all. :)

Of course it will - this is the signal Axl's been waiting for, Chinese Democracy starts now!


 ::)

Well.. can you tell me... who won A merican Idol?

Oh no, the rocker lost!  GNR's screwed!   :hihi:
On a positive rock note, System of a Down debuted at #1 selling 453,000 copies this week.  This news along with the success of the very weak Greatest Hits, tells me Chinese Democracy will do very well.  My gut tells me we are now waiting on legal crap, contracts, Bucket, etc.

Jarmo & Co., feel free to lock this one up.   :(

BO BICE GOT FOCKED.  HE WAS OUR LOAN HOPE FOR A ROCKER TO WIN.  I am now ready for him and Slash to do a song.  He has a great voice with some balls.  Could have been good in VR.  Carrie sounds like every other country music singer.

I agree!  :yes:

Well, Clay came in 2nd too and for some reason is very popular now, so there's still hope.  :D

Can American Idol Affect GNR...no...not unless Axl is thinking of hitting an Idol Tryout for next season...
I'm just glad it was Bo that made it to the finals, and not that poser dude who butchered Walk This Way... :hihi:

rock (or at least 'guitar bands') are VERY popular in the UK right now. sure there's always gunna be RnB and boy/girl band pop in the charts but the UK has got ALOT of very popular rock acts right now.

coldplay
ravorlight
snow patrol
killers
white stripes
oasis
radiohead
athlete
the darkness
etc
etc
et-fucking-cetera!

sure; they're not all good, but they are very popular. also GNR is still VERY popular in the UK. this is not bullshit! go into almost any pub in the uk (or at least where i live) on a saturday night and at some point during the evening you'll hear 'SCOM' or 'Paradise City'

anyway, my point is that there's still a very big market in the UK for Rock, more so that a few years ago.

 :nervous:



Why do i think of a joke from Team America at this point?

He's artifcial shite - Slash is the real deal and won't want to be associated with him.

 
Yes :hihi:


Hence why she won

Hope this is a joke!
The Idol thing is like "Here today gone tomorrow! they will never be remember after 14 years of silence!

When AFD hit
The Top 40 was all pop
And rock was called dead.

Axl screeched "Jungle"
Crooned on lovely "Sweet Child"
And sped up the charts.

Good rock was reborn!
Us? in Paradise City
And Tiffany wept.

Music world shaken
The pop stars were in limbo
And rockers held sway.

Rock was the new pop!
Golden Age of good music!
Wave crested too soon.

Rage was the new rage
And soon gave way to whining
And rock was wussed out.

Our faction? ?Splintered.
Pop again filled the vacuum
And now here we are.

Our "Idols" have talent
But music has no feeling
Please save us, Axl!

I prophesy this:
When Democracy hits us,
The cycle restarts.

Britney will serve fries,
Aiken gets Vegas contract;
He's Wayne Newton II.

Good rock rules again
Axl may stay a recluse,
But his music plays.

Oh yeah: ?Bice got screwed.
That boy has real talent. But
Carrie? ?I'D fuck her!


Splash


/Mike

Bo bice was No real rocker, he was a fucking poser who really sucked.. Shame LS was with him twice..  This doesn't mean anything towards gnr.. The same people that like bo bice are the same girls that think kelly clarkson or avril is big rock..

I don't get it. How does a lame fucked up show like American Idol affect GN'R, even if the show has long-haired, mic-stand wielding bozos who sing like girls ? Never mind...

American Idiot has nothing to do with GNR...
 :no:

Yeah the term "rocker" is used way too loosely

how bout that gay Scott Stapp lookin Constantine dude? what a joke!

Bo did get focked however as he was ok

500,000,000 people voted for American idol, thats probablymore than voted for president.

says something about our country eh?

Man their was only like a little over 100,000,000 that voted in the election in 04.

THough most of American crape 's votes come from the little teen boppers .

Izzy, how can you not like Bo Bice?  He worked at the Guitar shop about five miles from my house so I guess I am partial.  Maybe you don't like southern rock or something.  If he does a record with Clive Davis, he will be on the same label as VR.  That is why I joked about a collaboration.  Ya, I know it won't happen, but I think Bo is a pretty cool guy who was just himself.  I would pay more money to see Bo then see Carrie.  Carrie will do good at first, but to be honest, Vonzell had the better voice.  Bo is just too classic rock to make it big I think, but I will buy his album.  He has a hella voice.  Good stage presance, not sure what you didn't like.  He didn't fit the American Idol mold because you can't mold a guy like Bo, he is who he is.  It is better he didn't win, because now he can just rock.  Am I way wrong?  I just wish his break wasn't American Idol.  Its like he will forever be linked to that gae show.  Oh well.

And mikegiuliana, Bo IS NOT A POSER.  During the whole season, all they talked about was how real he was.  Constantine was a poser, not Bo.  Bo is just into Southern Rock, nothing poser about that.  And speaking of Lynyrd Skynyrd, did anyone ever see the bootleg of  Zakk Wylde and Slash playing with Skynyrd? 

I'm scrolling down..

I'm going to the next page..

I'm ignoring everything everyone's written in this thread...

And I'm giving a big ol' dick punch to whoever started this thread.

Are you on crack?

With Jarmo's permission, I'd like to start a thread called "Global warming, North Korea, The Roman Empire, The Steam off of Shit, and their collective effects towards the entity known as GnR".

In the words of that dude from Encino Man...

SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!!

... ??? I always thought you could choose to read (or not to read) any thread started here at HTGTH.  Some of the posted replies were pretty interesting.  I didn't know Bo will be on the same label as VR.  That's pretty cool.  I've actually heard some people say Bo didn't try hard at the end because he already had a record deal with Clive Davis all set up, and winning The American Idol may have affected his future success negatively.

...also, regarding the 500 million votes.  Obviously, there are many, many people who vote repeatedly.  Do I think more Americans voted in the last presidential election than American Idol?  Yes, definitely.   : ok:
 

I've had some free time lately and I watched some of this show after hearing the BO BICE hype.

Folks MR BO BICE is hardly a rocker. If by "rocker" you mean a rocker like the fuckers from Good Charlotte are rockers then yes!

Commercial hype put in "rugged clothing" and made to look like a "Badass" theres your rocker for you! Package him up and ship him out to the homes of all the pre-teen girls who pray to their Timberlake posters!

When real rock returns you will not have to be told "this is real rock". YOU will SEE IT, you will HEAR IT, you will FEEL IT!

TRUST ME.

"Tell all the people that you see
Follow me
Follow me down
Tell all the people that you see "

Its official, Bo Bice is Signed with RCA Records.  Now my Slash/Bo colaboration is not so unlikley...  And don't say Slash would never do it.  Hell, he did Blackstreet and Jacko.  I think Bo is better then those two.  I just noticed that Clay Aiken and Diana Degarmo are signed there as well..... Oh well.   

mmm... honestly its just a matter of opinion... I dont like Bo Bice... and I think he sucks... anyway it all depends on Slash.. to make duet if he wants it....