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Guys u can lock or delete this but I want to say something first.

Axl isnt becoming a Micheal Jackson type freak

Axl isnt scrutinized and joked about constantly by stand up comedians

I havent heard any Axl Rose one liners in movies as jokes.

So to a few people on a message board he might seem different but the general public probably dont have an opinion right now.

Axl looks fine, his braids are a matter of taste but if he goes back to his regular hair, and I think he will, everything will be great.

So please stop with the bullshit that Axl is thought of as a freak or something.

I like his braids, they're unique. He shouldn't change just to satisfy the nay sayers, or to be suitable for mass consumption. That's not the rock n' roll way.

it's too bad people can't do what they want without being hated

Axl is usually seen by many of my friends as talented but they always refer to him as an asshole, which I think is bullshit.

Axl is most definetly a freak - he's the laughing stock of the music world, pretend otherwise if u like but 'delay' is all any one thinks of when they hear Axl's name

I'll keep the faith, but i ain't blind to what he is and what others correctly view him as

he's the laughing stock of the world of nerdy computer addicts writting stuff over the internet to make themselves feel better. Seriously, if you don't have a computer and you don't care much about GNR you have no idea what's going on. Regular People last saw GNR at the VMAS, and he looked cool.

Woody when I was at the vr concert saturday I asked a lot of people about new gnr and how they felt, most didn't even know there was one.. Most of the people I met were gnr fans but clueless to cd, or the new membership... The only reason people talk about his looks here is because there's nothing to talkl about;;; No groups around 6=7 years still have no album yet.. It becomes the same boring we may see it, they have potential and we get nothing.. So will axl have straight hair or braides becomes the topic of the day.. Every topic has been beaten to death..

Yes ::)

And the 'world' of music journalism, tv, radio, hell - the world itself!



As if people who check this site have a clue - nothing is going on hence why Axl is a joke to the population at large.


U mean the overweight puffing out of tune Axl looked cool?

Maybe to u but 'regular people' won't have agreed

No, Axl is not a freak on the level of Michael Jackson. But that isn't saying much since you could be 25% as freaky as MJ and still be pretty sick. MJ is lost; I don't know if it's psychosis or whatever, but he is long gone. Axl seems more neurotic, which I think is something most people can relate to because neurosis affects everyone's daily lives. Not quite to the degree that we put off releasing multi million dollar recording projects, but we all have our little insecurities hidden away.

OUCH ! I see I hit a soft spot "nerdy computer addicts writting stuff over the internet to make themselves feel better."

Read the post above yours ,you ?pathetic nerdy computer addict. ? :P

+ the fact that nothing is going is not a reason to become a laughing stock. ?Just like the singer from the beach boys and how his album took 35 or so years to make. Nobody even noticed it untill he released the album. ( Except for nerdy pathetic ?beach boys groupies .)

Different is good. At least Axl isn't following every trend going around.
And u cant really compare Axl, if anyone, to Micheal Jackson. : ok: :peace:

How do we know that Axl is not following every musical trend around?  I think that the new album will be an ecclectic collection of songs that hit several different genres. 

Axl may not be a freak (yet) but he has become somewhat of a joke.  Oddly enough, both Axl and Michael Jackson are from the great state of Indiana, they must have the crazies in the water there!!

he definetly was oringinal during the old days but the jersey baggy pants is kind of old..

 The people that I know that know of a NuGNR but don't know about them as a band, only talk about what Axl looks like because of the VMA performance and his look is pretty much all they mention because that's all they know.

+It seems that for nerds the media is the whole world..... it's rather sad, nay?

Hey D, you ever hear the expression "whatever you do, don't think of a pink elephant"?

you know where you are?????? your in KFC baby, wake up, time to friiieeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!

Axl is no longer known of by the press, there doesnt seem to be any recent pics or interviews with him.

lets see they have had a few things in maxum and other mags about his apperance, vh1 shows dedicated to bad hair or makeovers gone wrong.. ?They had one thing which was rockers.. Dead or Bloated?? Guess who was bloated :'( They had a poll in jane magazine that said who has necome most jacksonized.. Axl beat out mickey rourke :'( I love the 80's 1987 when they do the new faces of 1987 they showed axl, then said now he has a new face and showed some vma pic.. It's safe to say most of the public is not hearing athing about music but only his looks.. Shit from botox,to chemical peals, to plastic surgery.. He really needs to do something postive to have them fosuc back on his music.. :beer:

i know i know. Next halloween say scott dresses as axl, axl then mugs scott, puts his body somewhere and goes on to sing mr brownstone. That would certainly be a most excellent gig lmao.

axl who?  the reason no one jokes about, or even mentions axl is because he's not even in the public eye anymore....why? because he hasn't done jack shit for over a decade....he's not even famous enough to make fun of anymore

Stop bashing Axl. You know as much as me that he can shut everybody's up by releasing CD. The music will speak for itself.
However, the competition here in Europe for the new GN'R will be hard, the chalenge will be interesting for the name of the "biggest Rock band": I'm listening to some Oasis new tunes and their album? is gonna be giant in Europe. It will be out in 2 weeks and Oasis is probably one of the biggest (the biggest?) and most successfull European band since...the Beattles. Too bad I can't go to their Olympia concert? :-\
One day I'll be a Rockstar and I'll play Olympia? :peace: :hihi:

This is a valid point. Although a lot of people online who visit music message boards are laughing that their is no album that is a very small percentage of people who will potentially buy the album. Most people have forgotten GNR and will only remember them after seeing something on the news or a poster in HMV windows.

them? You mean "him". Especially if you include the visual aspect. People will search for Slash on the posters but won't find him? :hihi:
I would say the general public will rather remember the band's name and if the music is good they will buy the album. And that's it.
I think the sales could be huge, but I can't imagine a "Gunsmania" again like in the early 90's behind the band because the new band, humanely speaking (and not musically), doesn't have "the fire" of the old band to create that kind of hysteria. They may be loved for their music, but not for their human aspect because people will never see them a a "real" band, but rather as a reconstitued version of an old legendary band that is gone...it's a question of perception in people's mind. do you see what I mean? Something like "the doors of the 21st century" or "Queen" without Freddie Mercury right now. You can't erease the past. Don't underrate the human aspect. Hoppefully the album will be great. It's the most important.

I think everybody remembers GnR, and the release of this long awaited release will prompt buying for 'curiosity sake' alone. They were the biggest thing going for years, this holds up over time. All we have now is Slash's thing, and it pales in comparison, yet is selling.  'Chinese' will sell with some promotion, then once people hear it, it should sell even more. There's really nothing like this out there now, and the new stuff is classic. I see a trend amongst the kids now, 13-14, going back to Zep, The Ramones, Jimi, ...this is a great sign.  ;D

As far as him being a freak, he's pretty freaky! I mean that in a non-Micheal Jackson way though, just to be clear. He has had his share of idiosyncratic behavior.  ::) Axl does what Axl wants to do, nothing could be more clear. It also, probably, has something to do with the hold up. lol

Ya know what's great though? This board has more news on Slash, Duff, even Adler, as they are actually doing something. What do the 5000 board members here mostly talk about??? AXL!
This speaks volumes about where the true talent in GnR "lies". I have heard no "Jungles, Comas, November Rains or Don't Cry's" coming from old Scottie and Slash, yet what I have heard of Chinese,... ah There it is !

The problem I see is we are here talking about the record coming out, and how it will impact the people of 'now'. I fear we must think about how it will impact the record buyers of 2020, for it may be a more likely target date! Just kidding, but who knows.

I think Axl is viewed as a joke to alot of people in the media from what ive seen.  Whenever anyones ever talking about an album delay, or being a egocentric perfectionist his name seems to come up.  Dont get me wrong i love the guy though.

Oh and as long as we are making personnal attacks on other members you are a fucking idiot the truth hurts sometimes deal with it

Yes, every topic has been beaten to death, and why? Because there is no other news. How sad.

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
I heavily disagree with the subject of this thread.  I love Axl's work just as much as all of you, and that's why I...we...come here.  But, to the majority of the public, Axl's a huge freak, joke, etc.  It'll be so interesting to see how Axl plays this thing...if he even tries...because for the first time, I'm starting to think, it may never come.   :'(

Words like "nut" or "recluse" might apply to the redhead.

But "freak?"

Nope.

Outside of Marlyn Manson or MJ, theres not many celebrities right now that look odd like AXl. Thats just fact. He looks odd like a villian you would see in a movie. He doesnt look like a rock star. If anything Axl looks like someone whose been into some new-age religion, which is exactly what Axls been into. If someone showed you a photo of Axl and told you hes a Heavens Gate member would you believe it? I would. Its a California thing which hasnt gained much popularity because it seems fake.

OH and the mother terasa , she was a crack hoe on the side....seriously , this thread makes me laugh,
but back on point.
It will never ceace to amaze me why people will pass judgment, cause an album hasnt been released.....and MJ comparisions, now thats hysterical!

ANd many people who posted are correct in the fact that most thpse outside having cps, or are GNR fans haveno clue about whats goin on

Some peope are willing to embrace mediocradty. ME Im not one of them , and as much as I tried to make mysellf kinda even remotely like VR, I cant bring myself to do it. And I guess Im mot alone /they havent sold out any show in NY. And from what I heard , from people that saw them( atr JOnes Beach) , they did thier best covering Hey you from floyd. Im not really concerned, but its fun to reads and respond. :beer:

yeah jaz they had like 14,500 people out of 15,000 and that song they covered was really good.. The entire show rocked though... Like no one ever thought live and let die or kohd was? a great tune axl did.. You can't accept medicore songs, then you must hate almost all of new gnr's tunes.. The jones beach show was ten times better then the msg show..? Way more energy, it was non stop action.. Remember vr can't use the gnr name to bil themselves like axl can.. As long as the gnr name is up on the billboard it will do good..

You are one of those guys that can't see vr so you go by what you heard :hihi: At least vr puts out music, what is this year 6 in a row already without music and the dreaded oh my god that lasted a few months on air..? The last axl tour was just about all covers but a new cover we never heard before can't get some praise.. ::)

Go to a simple music site.
If there's a piece of news about GN'R 80% of the comments will be about that Axl is a freak why can't he release the album.

I  went to a Mets game and this one guy was asked if he was a Mets or Yankees fan and the guy said who are the Yankees? Then the whole section proceed to engage in a Yankees Suck chant. How ironic

that's stupid.. I asked people who were gnr fans about new gnr, they just didn't know...  I mentioned it because everyone acts like the world is waiting for cd or something so I wanted to see how some of them felt..  I go to tons of baseball games if you asked about the cross town rival they would know who they are unless they were just dicks.. Not to hard for your average vr fan who is a gnr fan to weight in on what he thinks about the current new gnr/cd/axl rose situation..

Same for me. People aren't aware that a "new" GN'R exists outside the USA. Maybe in England some people are aware of it (because of the 02' UK festivals) but in the rest of Europe I highly doubt it. At least in France where I live, people aren't aware. And when they know it...they don't care (because no album). The argument that always comes-back is that one "If Slash isn't in the band anymore it doesn't interest me". That's what I have heard for years. However, (and here is the good sign), most of people are aware of "Chinese Democracy", or at least, they definitely have heard about ?a new album. Most of people with who I talked are interested/curious to hear it even if they miss Slash. Just by curiousity. So when it comes out, I suppose the sales will be big. After, the quality of music will be determinant. If people like it, they will talk about it and it will be a success. If they don't, they will move on and the whole thing will be a failure. and that's it. The quality of music will be determinant. It's not like Britney Spears, the new line-up can't count and their image to sell records if the music is just "correct". It should (must?) be great.

I never heard if slash isn't in it they lost interest.. I was simply stating that people who aren't following this issue close just don't know... Many knew of the vmas but not much more after.. A lot of talk did come down to how axl looked different... That's what happens when the public doesn't see you for 9 years.. When demi moore came back for charlie's angels they mentioned her looks to see how she held up.. She was a pretty big female movie star so axl was a huge frontman so people check everything out.. If axl moved on with his comeback then there would be other things to focus on.. If he never came back for that small tour or the vmas no one would be caring about his looks or waiting for the cd he ,mentioned numerous times over the years.. He could have come back without the world of expectations on him, or people wondering about his hair or if he had plastic surgery..
As for sales I am unsure these days.. I think the cult fans will always go see gnr just like NIns, but they opened selling 270,000 copies the first week which is pretty bad with such a huge following anticipating an album for years...

Alot of bands of years ago I loved I would check out in concert if I had the chance but these days I might not be into buying their new music..

"and now he looks so weird." that's exactly what my older sister told me awhile ago when i was visiting her. she knows i love GNR & said she had seen an article about how late 80's studs Axl Rose & Patrick Swayze had gone botox crazy. i don't think the general public views Axl as a MJ type freak, but more as just a washed up 80's cliche. What's to bad is that when Guns hit it big, Axl thing seemed to be like he was kind of anti-Poison type of guy. No spandex or make-up type stuff really. Kind of a man's man of frontmen. Next thing u know, he's running around in spandex, the local teams hockey jersey, and has had who knows what done to his face  & hair. He turned into what I thought would be Brett Michaels like. DAMMIT!

When I said the look is important, people told me I exagerated. And by reading this topic, what was the thing people refered to about the VMA? Axl's look...it prooves I'm not so wrong. When you diseapear during a decade, the FIRST thing people see is how you look. It's just like that, no explanation. Imagine that Eminem deseaperes right now and comes-back in 2015, what will the be first thing you'll see when he comes back? his look. How he has evolved physically. You'll try to see if he is the same motherf*** as 10 years ago. It will be your first impression. Then you're going to? forget that point, sure. But first, you'll d?finitely care about the look. Come on It's human. It's extremely rational.
And do you know why most of people (I mean non-GN'R fans) didn't like the new GN'R? because of their look (not all of them hoppefully):
First impression = bad impression = no interest. That's it. It's almost mathematic.
Now, you can say "oh I don't care about the look, let's just Fuck that, I do what I want if I want to turn Goth I do it". OK that's your right, but don't complain if you have poor record sales or if things fail as a consequence. People won't go to you, you've to bring them to you, You've to attract them, your image has to say "come on to me" and not "get outta here".

Words from a very brillant Marketing Studient. Believe me, I'm not so wrong on that point. Sure, the most important is the music, but if you are not normal (and the look is a part of what we called normality), you'll not bring normal people (= general public, those who buy your records) to you. They will leave! No interest, unless your music is giant. is that so complicated to understand?

Well I watched a Movie... where the girl talks all the movie about Axl Rose and how much she'd like to please him... and according to her... she met him... ?(in the movie of course)

I dont like axl braids... but if you do... cool

I saw a movie like that years ago, he was mentioned a lot it was low budget.. Some skank I knew rented it back in 1993 but I forget the name..

Can you  tell us, what the movie was about?

 

 1st off, can I say that I LOVE Nesquick's avitar?  A little fuzzy, but if it's the same chick you had on there before, she's smokin'.

  Now, everyone has to realize that Nesquick's right on the mark when it comes to popularity and sales.  We all know the music of new GNR is unbelievably good.  We haven't even heard the "big guns," and this stuff is already awesome without a studio recording even released!  But, your looks do matter.  Maybe Axl isn't looking for huge sales and popularity...but I'll bet my ass the record company wants to move some product!  Think about that for awhile. 

  Best case scenario:  Axl gets into as good a shape as a guy in his 40's can be, Finck lets some hair grow in and loses some makeup, Fortus/Stinson and Brain don't change a thing, and Buckethead makes some guest appearances to add a layer of unpredictability and to be honest...adds some comic relief.  Axl finally decides to open up to at least one member of the press, Loder? or someone, to actually make him appear human.  A single is dropped as an accompaniment/tie-in to the new Batman.  New Batman/New GNR.  Between September and November, album is dropped.  And obviously my dream would be a kick-ass performance at half-time at Super Bowl 40!  (Super Bowl XL)

   8)

   

the girl on my avatar is dawn hot! 8)

I highly doubt it. It would mean he doesn't want the album to be successfull? exept kurt cobain, I don't know who doesn't want his materiel not to be successfull. Axl has a HUGE ego, wich is a quality, and he definitely wants his music to be loved by a maximum of persons.

How is it possible you are both in this heated 'debate', and I can't agree with either of you? Ok, in no order...

1. Yes, if one guy is on a board posting and calls other posters "nerdy computer addicts", he is sadly dis-'illusioned'

2. What do computers have to do with knowing about GnR? By 93 the internet was not even prominant, were all the fans then computer geeks too?

3. People who check this site might have a clue! Some? A few? None huh, wow, bad site. It's good to know you have such deep insight to everyone here.

4. ("the fact that nothing is going is not a reason to become a laughing stock.") Yes, I agree.

5. Later in the...sentence...( "Just like the singer from the beach boys and how his album took 35 or so years to make. Nobody even noticed it untill he released the album. ( Except for nerdy pathetic ?beach boys groupies.")

Ok, now in my 1st post here, oddly, I mentioned similarities between Wilson and Axl in reclusive nature and eccentric behavior. The 2 have been compared before,btw, in this vein. By "nerdy pathetic Beach Boy groupies", lol, you are speaking of artists like Clapton, Lennon, McCartney, Dylan, etc, just so you know who they are. There are many 'new artists' (list to be provided if need be) that are huge fans as well, it's like being a Beatles fan. I don't speak of the surfin stuff here, for it was not as revolutionary.

As to the album that took 35 years to make, you are close, it took a year. It was done in 1967, and shelved for 35 years, then redone by Wilsons new band, not the Beach Boys, that's what came out last year. They re-recorded it in 2 months btw.

Nice chatting with you both, have a great day!

Sex Sells but it doesnt sell GNR records.

If Justin Timberlake was gone for 10 years and came back, looks would be important.

GNR were never a pretty band, they were never thought of as hunks and werent packaged as hot guys.

it all comes down to the music, that is all that matters.

Axl isnt fat, he still looks good enough, but like i said, Pop boy wonders or girls must look great cause its part of the packaging

when it comes to a Guns N Fucking Roses record

its all about the music baby.

It's all about the attitude. (Music is only a small part of the attitude)

I forget I just remember lots of axl rose mentions... It's not a movie listed on all the sites that have gnr mentions.. Like say the first wives club that mention gnr, or brainscan that mentions axl rose.. This movie was more like a low budget flick from the late 80's or early 90's...

:peace: Oh but I never said I wasn't a pathetic nerdy computer addict  :hihi:

BTW I believe chidem has been shelved as well.

big difference between a brian wilson solo album compared to a guns n roses album.. There's a difference between an axl rose solo album compared to a new gnr album... It may sound like the same thing, but new gnr is supposed to be a band and is carrying the gnr name..

Axl came back to the world with no new music and a band of unrecognisables. This  left only one thing for press and public to to focus on: his look. I think the problem with Axls look is, as with everything he does, is he is trying too hard.

In the world today men can get away with growing old gracefully, wringles and grey hair can be seen as distinguishing and sexy by the ladies...good for us!!!!...(see George Clooney etc)

Compare Axl to another mega-star singer his age..Bono.
Bono has aged quite a lot in the last ten years (compare pictures from the Zoo TV tour to the Vertigo tour). Nobody really passes any negative comments on that because its allowed. It is well known that Bono has had hair transplants; he gets no shit for that though...why? Well it's simple, no man (including cynical journos) actually want to go bald. Most men would sympathize with another man loosing his hair against his will.  Bono had the cash to do something about it and chose to get hair that suited his age, and look. As a result, he looks ok and he gets no shit. Most men would agree that if you can afford to have hair, why not?
Axls braids are just wrong for a white man in his forties. They also don't suit the public?s perception of Axl as a rock star. His pandering to the rap community dress wise has cheapened his legacy in the eyes of the press (and makes him look silly for a forty something) so the press and public let him have it.

Recent pictures of Axl have shown us a pink man with skin stretched too tight and smooth across his face for a man in his forties, it just doesn't look entirely normal. Wrinkles are normal on a forty something, shiney pink skin is not..hence more bashing. 

In fact, you can take a slew of front men aging before our eyes who don't get any crap for it because they stay within the limits of taste...I thought James Hetfield looked cool in 'Some Kind of Monster' (even if he behaved like a wuss half the time), Chris Cornell still looks amazing at 41. The fact is, they did right by their age and their rock legacy and they stayed cool. Axl has ignored both and has suffered.
Just my two cents worth.

well said intercourse.. Very simple terms is he was gone for a good 9 years out of the limelight, he was the premiere frontman, last big rockstar and when he came back his look was so extreme in change compared to his old look people just focused on his apperance.. Nowadays the vmas are known for what you are wearing, what your hair looks like who had work done, etc.. it was very easy to focus on axl because everything was so different.. Not to mention no new music to focus on so the press or fans or the vh1 show and magazines shifted to his apperance only.. He is now frozen in time from the vmas... Once he comes back and does some great music all the focus on his apperance only will? shift.. :beer:

guys like bono aged in front of their fans so it was natural to just accept it

great posts guys. This is very true. Also I'd like to add that Axl changed? much more from 2001 (RIR) to 2002 than from 1994 to 2001 (for me)

As if the old image of GN'R had been to everyone's taste.
As if they had worried about appearances for decency's sake.
As if the media hadn't crack a joke about Axl in the old days.

What won public favour the most was the music.

I remember reading the magazine, Smash Hits or something, that made fun of Axl's tattoo.
like:  AFD cross- to reminds him what band he's in,
        His name- in case he forgets his name,
        A girl- just in case he forgets his sexual preference?

Axl never has been BONO BJ or whoever, and vice versa. Each to his own. 

":peace: Oh but I never said I wasn't a pathetic nerdy computer addict? :hihi:

BTW I believe chidem has been shelved as well."


Lol, and true.
I know what you mean about Chinese, it's scary to think. It really is a great album, and it kills me to see it rot in Axl-gatory. I truly hope you are wrong, but we sure are watching the years go by eh? From 00, when it sounded like a "Beck album", to 02 the "Here it comes" comeback, to quotes like "It's sure to be out by fall", last fall. It is getting to where I just want to raid the vaults and re-open Vigatone! Unfortunately, I have no idea where the vaults are, nor how to raid them. :)

I concur. He does seem to be trying too hard to "fit in "now. What he should remember is it's the way he is/was that is what's cool and hip. He's not supposed to conform, yet he has his own fears as well. Does he still have the New Age advisor? If so, he should dump her 1st thing in the morning. He gets too into things, compulsively, seeking answers, bla bla bla. He should just let his hair down, literally, and rock the house again. THAT'S what regains respect and praise.

The VMA's are really a wonder to me, you guys are right, ALL they (Stern, press, etc) focused on was his new look. I thought he looked fine, and was more impressed to hear him hit the highs of "Ahh free the ball the chains, we held together" in Madagascar, as Rio did not have the pleasure. It was the 1st time that was unearthed, and it was F'n' amazing. The whole house had the true classic Axl bellows ring from pier to rafter, filling the blank musical void of today with a shining moment of glory! ....and what do they speak of, his hair and face. I even read USA today say how he "SHrieked out Madagascar", what boobs.

He was puffing during Jungle, that big run did him in, lol. I think he forgot he hadn't been running much. As to his look, he was fat as a house in Rio, and looked much better in 02, I thought.

Great points, as for him growing old gracefully, yeah, it's tough for some to come to grips with... I recon.

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? People don't like icons who drasticly change

People loved Axl the way he was, that's why he became famous and was the biggest Rockstar in the world in the late 80's and early 90's. When people don't recognize the guy who made them dream when they were younger, in their mind, something is broken. I agree with the person who said the only way for him to regain popularity from the general public is to come back as himself, as "the Axl" everybody loved in its youth. Putt off these braids and this fake style, and come back with the classic red bandana on his real hair by singing "take me down to the paradise city where the grass is green and the girls are pretty". That's Axl for me. You know, if tomorow Slash deseapeare for 10 years, shaves his head, stop playing with a Gibson, putt off his top hat, and dress as Puff Daddy trying to look "cool" for the younger generation, don't you think it will hurt his myth? Sure it wil. Because people won't recognize the guy they grew up with.

i'm just glad axl is still around, far too many of the really really greats dont live to be as old as axl is now.

i listen to the gnr greatest hits cd over and over and love it as much now as i ever did.

he can be as weird as he wants just as long as hes on this planet i'm a happy man.

i'm guess i'm just curious as to what the hell he does all day long?? anyone know? does he still live in LA, and is he still married to the model chick?

i keep hoping to see a vh1 behind the music with gnr to find out.? i wonder if they ever did one for gnr?

as long as he's still around the earth is a greater place, no matter how he looks.

big ups to axl !!!!!!!!!