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Will the next album sound different from Contraband or will it be another rock n roll album with no significant departure from Contraband?

If you mean by evolve head in a illusion's fashion like keyboards and harmonicas and things of that nature I would say NO, but maybe scott weiland has his vision of something different.. I personally hope it stays just a good rock n roll album with maybe some longer solos..

nah I don't mean evolve like the illusions, but something else, the thing that bothers me is that they praise rock n roll so much that it reminds of AC/DC, I just don't want contraband part 2 ... and 3... and 4.... Cause that's what AC/DC did in the long run.

well for one it will sound different because now they know each others stengths so they will showcase it. they are a band now. They wrote Contraband without really knowing each other. Think about a band that is just forming....it takes time to develop chemistry.

And VR will never be another AC/DC. I mean Contraband is a raw in your face RnR record but look at the diversity of the songs. Illegal I, superhuman, YGNR, loving the aliens, do it for the kids, spectacle, etc etc They are such good musicians that they always write something that sounds fresh because they don't try to sound a particular way.  And Scott has proven with STP that he is a master of experimentalization since he evolved with each STP record. Like Appetite and Core you want your first impact album to be a Rocker like Contraband.

I wonder what the lyrics will be about....

He hasn't been arrested, kicked out of the house or had drug problems since Contraband was released.


Maybe more songs about Paris Hilton? ;)



/jarmo

>:(

I don't like Scott on contraband much either, but STP and 12 bar blues is great and he wrote great stuff that had nothing to do with being arrested, kicked out of the house or drugs.

Coolness is staring at the sun
Coolness is driving with my son
Time and time again Im not the man
Time and time again Im not the one
Now go to sleep you little child of mine
I wish I had the beauty you hold inside
Now go to sleep you little boy of mine
You make the world a better place to find
Coolness is staring at the sun
Coolness is driving with my son
Time and time again Im not the man
Time and time again Im not the one
Now go to sleep you little child of mine
I wish I had the beauty you hold inside
Now go to sleep you little boy of mine
You make the world a better place to find
Ah...
Now go to sleep you little child of mine
I wish I had the beauty you hold inside
Now go to sleep you little boy of mine
You make the world a better place to find

 >:(

jarmo= cacapoopoohead  :P

I love ac/dc and wouild say they have a huge amount of hits.. If they stayed like that I would be happy

When I look at guns I would have loved if they stayed afd oriented and kept the stage just them..  One or two epics is a nice thing though.. I just like how metallica did epics with great rockers..

It's called sarcasm.  :P

But if they're gonna keep being "dangerous", they need dangerous subjects......  ;)



/jarmo

Well they got alot of past things and experiences to sing about. He could sing about his year without drugs, maybe the temptations he had to get by to avoid drugs again.

The media. Age?

I hope they stick to what they are, maybe fasterm heavier, better solos but i dont want all illusions stuff or purple stuff.

"Son" great song Scott wrote solo!

Let's put the question in context. Cock roaches evolve. Birds evolve. Reptiles evolve. Mammals evolve. So yes, I think  it  is  safe to say that VR will evolve.


The question is: evolve to what? 'Back to the future' or into the  'great  wide open'?

Why is AC/DC always referred to in a negative way?  AC/DC is one of Slash's biggest inspirations and they are one of the greatest rock n roll bands ever.  Anyway, I don't know what to expect, maybe songs like STP's "Down" would be cool.  How about an album where everyone can showcase their talents.  My god, slash held back so much on the album when you see them live he plays so much more.  Its nuts.  Can we get just one or two blues based rock tracks?  Is that possible?

what do you mean blues based? GNR were never a blues band. they had elements of the blues in their songs but so does VR becuase Slash is a blued based guitarist. Is You could be mine, Jungle & Nightrain more bluesy than Sucker Train, set me free, spectacle, big machine, dirty lil thing? None of those songs are the Blues but they are Blues based because Slash is a blues based guitarist.

the only arguably straight up blues song Slash wrote was "Ain't life grand" the song

I don't mean to diss "Lies" but I hope  VR doesnt focus their next album on an all acoustic or "live" album. I hope they stick with what they are doing.  I think a significant change would be a mistake, not with die-hard fans(like us), but with the people that just bought contraband for the radio hits.  i just don't think it can be pulled off today.

I think the people who bought it just because of the "hits" are in the minority so I think they would pull it off but why would they want to release anything more than a soundtrack song to tie us over when they can get started on their 2nd album and have it out in less than 6months?

Top Hatted One, Guns n Roses, AeroSmith, AC/DC are are Blues Based bands.  So are Allman Bros, Led Zepplin, and Cream.  I love what they are doing, I guess I just wanted some more of those types of songs.  I guess GNR style.  I loved slash on "The Thirll is Gone" when he had slash's blues ball.  I think Spectacle is punk song by the way.  Welcome to the Jungle has some major blues licks in it.  Classic ones.  I like Ain't Life Grand.  I only request one, or two songs like that.  I guess I should have been more clear and stated that I would like to see more blues riffs and licks incorporated into their new hard rock.  Either way, you see what I mean.  But I do consider GNR to be a lot more "Bluesy" then VR mainly because they had Izzy as well.  If you listen to Jungle slowed up a bit with no vocals, it sounds like the blues to me.  In some Slash stuff, like Paradise City, I hear country, same with Beggars and hangers on.  Him and Zakk Wylde both have a little country/Southern rock in them.   Oh well, they are very talented musicians and will not dissapoint.  That Bluesy song the white striped did was bad ass, i think it was ball and a biscuit or something.  I wouldn't mind something like that just so slash and go off.

Well, I dont think they can evolve/change to much, there will always be that rock n' roll feel to them, no mater what happens, yet, scott has said he doesnt mind changes...so, lets see...who knows? Im just killin my self waitin for the album :confused:

You can tell VR are never gonna something like use your illusions it just makes me wonder

That's exactly what I said in some other thread about Weiland.  : ok:

I have to say, that I will be more interested on this second album than I was on the first one. First albums are easier to write-record.

Things that I look forward to:

1.- As mentioned earlier, Scott's lyrics. He's a good lyrcist, at least he was while in STP. In Contraband, he did not really reach my expectations. I'm very curious to see what will he write about.

2.- Sound. Will there be more acoustic tunes, more solos, stronger bass presence...

3.- Theme. The first album had this dangerous rock and roll theme...what will be the theme ( if any) on this one?

4.- Collaborations? I'm just guessing here, but I believe we are gonna have an special guest. Maybe Stradlin' or even Adler...who knows.

5.- Epics? it would be a surprise if VR recorded a 8 minute epic with orchestation...no their style, but that would be considered as evolving.

Loving the Alien had orchestration and modern technology as did Illegal and Superhunan. Again, its not so much that they will evolve drastically it more that they have better chemistry and know each others strenghts better now and already made their dangerous RnR statement with CB. The beauty of it is that they will naturally evolve. They're not going to have to fabricate an orchestra to do it.

I am sure they will evolve but I don't know how.. I guarantee there will be some more Slash soloing going on and maybe a bit more of a psychadelic feel to some songs..

dont hold your breath for adler or stradlin to be on a VR record.

not gonna happen!!!!!!!!!

maybe I am in the few but I really love contraband and think they are an amazing live act.. Each show flows, not much pausing in between.. I hope they keep it very hard rock oriented... SOme stuff is really almost metal like in playing.. SOme cool ballads... As I said I would like a little longer solo on the album but other then that I really loved the album.. I think the drumming rocked and a lot of songs had very cool intros..

Going on the fact that their set list is pretty much the same every night really takes the "danger" out of their music. Then I think about how they wanted to do a video for Sucker Train Blues but instead compromised and did Dirty Little Thing. Sorry, this band don't scare me, they ain't doin' nothin' new. I'll just say I don't think they'll evolve in a good way. I just get more and more disappointed the more I hear about this band.

When I first read that news, I thought it was weird too.  But, I think that's the double edged knife of being signed to a major label.  You get a lot of promotion, but you have to make some compromises as well.  I dont hold that against VR.  They didnt want to tour with Hoobastank (I think), but they did it anyway.  Would it have been more rnr to refuse?  I dont know. It might have made them look spoiled.



yeah, I hope that all the touring they did will inspire them when they return to the studio.  I am curious as to what Scott will write about.

mmm you know everything can evolve...  I think VR music will evolve... but they are now what they are supposed to be.,..

I think that since the band meshed on the road this year, I hope Scott's lyrics are a little better, even tho now that I really listen to them I think they're better. A couple extended solos would be nice, or even a bunch of solos in one song like Breakdown or Civil War (song doesnt have to sound like those 2). Definately stick with the srtaight forward rock but maybe one classic Guns style ballad, I'd love to hear that. I'd also like to hear Dave maybe play lead on one song cause wen i saw VR,right after Set Me Free Slash and Dave were both soloing and Dave could really play. They should also have a secret track where Duff Sings. That's what I'm hoping for, just stick with the straightforward rock with a couple of changes. :smoking: : ok:

That basically sums up my thoughts. I definitely think there will be a more triipy side going on , like some of the stuff on STP's Shangrila disk, may not as poppy as a few of the lead tracks but i see them going in that direction with a heavier aspect. I would like to see that, but it is hard to say Scott is a damn good writer and he has been straight longer than he has ever been since getting hooked so it will be interesting to see what direction the second album goes in.