Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Just saw Micheal Moore's Bowling for Colembine movie and it blew me away, just like Farenheight 911.

Man, no offense to you guys but, America's one crazy place, Bush needs to be shot!!

Thats fucking right! :peace: Good document btw.

Bloody oath it is, Moore's got some balls on him!!

why are people always slagging America? if it wasn't for them ye'd all be speaking German I'd rather have America as the worlds leading superpower than china or russia or somethin

America worlds leading superpower?? ;D That scares me. America does not rule the earth. They just think so. Voting Bush for president. Two times! God what a country ::) If there'd be a war between Albany and Bulgary, Americans would think that they could save everybody 'cause they are the bellybutton of the earth, and they'd go to the war too, killing more people.

And some people in Finland voted for an ex-boxer who doesn't seem like the brightest person in the country. What's your point?




/jarmo

Sorry, I dont understand your post well enough. But my point for that Bush-voting, is that he seems to be a fucking lousy president. Shame, that he didn't die when he almost choked on a cracker while watchin' football on tv  :hihi:

Mostly because our government is always poking its nose where it doesnt belong and has been for generations. I think thats the biggest complaint I have encountered when I was stationed over seas.

B.T.W. dont let Michael Moore be your only source of information, dig a little deeper he only gives you the parts of the story that fit his agenda. I havent seen Bowling for Columbine so I cant comment on that particular film.

If you want to see real "Gun nuts" look towards the Middle East.

yea yea yea...blah blah blah

Get a new line...

If it weren't for the French we'd be singing "god save the queen"....

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We got the right to bare arms here, and also the right to arms bears...whatever you want to do..It's amerika!!!!

You after all would be in a unique position to know what 'crazy' is judging from your recent posts:


and a further gem, about cocaine,



Exactly why is Mr Bush to blame for the 2nd Amendment? I have a sneaking suspicion he wasn't involved in drafting it....

Don't judge a country by its politicians.





/jarmo

first off, BFC has NOTHING to do with Bush (or much about politics at all).

second, the overall theme of the movie (i won't say conclusion since moore doesn't have enough guts or knowledge to actually make a conclusion) is more about fear than guns.

third, much of the movie is false. just check out this site.

http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html

Hey Clintron, I bet George W once did a line that big, well more than once.....

Sandman, I am not saying that Moore is not biased because he is but, you can't call out his bias by refering us to another biased conservitive sight.  I am sure that the truth is found somewhere between these 2 points.

uh...


Does this happen to be that Ludvig Borga guy who wrestled in the WWF?


And there is really nothing wrong with that. He has the right as a filmaker to film what he wants and portray things the way he sees fit to get his point across.

You are 100% correct. He is perfectly within his rights to do that. My problem is the people that take the information that he provides and just automatically accept it as the truth.

Funny though. He blasts Clinton in that movie, but the right wing didn't get all pissy about that.....

Funny though.  You blast the comment that sticks up for America, instead of the 5 that throw mud at it.

Izzy blows goats, i have proof!!

Gee i really wish G Dubya would impose the gun laws like Saddam, Hitler, Stallin and quite a few other dictators in the past have cause then really umm yea the jews nor the kurds never thought that whole communities of them could be wiped out with no defense....  yea im an american and i dont really care what the fuck u have to say about our politics or gun laws and oh yea i voted for bush and i dont really feel that im an idiot...   Im sure Benny Franklin and Tommy Jefferson would be very proud if we abolished the 2nd amendment

you voted for Bush....you are an idiot!!

let me know what ya think of him when he sends you to war!!

he dont give a fuck about you, havent you seen Farenheight

it doesnt matter if you voted for him or not, Bush is gonna get in anyway the cheat!!

Curupt as fuck!!

Yeah, Rocket Queen, You are a dumbass for voting for that piece of shit from Texas.  You must be a millionare or a powerful corporate CEO because that is all the Bush Regime cares for.  Sorry about your low IQ.

Yeah, fat ones...

I think it is so amusing that this guy is bashing america and calling us stupid. ?As Izzy's post pointed out, this guy is hardly a bright spot on this board. ?In addition, he makes his claim about america on movies that he watches from Michael Moore. ?haha. ?At least I know a lot of the anti-americanism out there is based on ignorant idiots who get their news proven untrue anti-US propogandists. ?You are sad Clintron, gilld1. ?Before you start throwing mud at americans, look at the mirror. ?Think about where you are getting your news and whether it is objective. ?

I suggest Clintron takes a break from posting until he deals with the issues he has.




/jarmo

im not anti american at all, but your gun laws are fucked, and your president is fucked, thats all.

nothin' against American's at all :(

well is what MM says not true??

im not calling Americans stupid

I don't take things so personal either.

Such a young guy you are and get your panties in a wad so easily.

Just pointing out what I thought was an interesting observation.

is Micheal Moore full of shit or what dude??

I guess.

I ignore what I think it worthy of being ignored. You can try to translate that into meaning something, but I find it tough to believe that you can explain my feelings on something if I don't address in the first place. Guess you are a mind reader.

It was just reported by CNN today that Bush is being asked to explain a secret memo that said ' "intelligence and facts were being fixed" to support the Iraq war ,well before the president brought the issue to Congress for approval.'

White house still has not answered....and the gun is smoking!!!!

Maybe you should re-evaluate what made you vote the way you did.

Personally I think our founding fathers would be ashamed of what America politics has become.

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It is crazy how easy it is to get a gun here.they should really do some thing to make it a bite harder to get one over here.


Also I didn?t vote for Bush .

As far a MM goes ,I enjoy watching his movies but I wouldn?t take everything he says a the Truth . After all he is in the business of make movies . And some time the truth gets in the way of hat makes a good movie

"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."
- Winston Churchill


The U.S. needs to change its gun laws. Too many idiots have guns. It's like the predators' have all the rights. Innocent people are murdered everyday by vicious fucks wth guns. I see no justice in that.

*pardon my profanity*

id agree that we are gun obsessed here in the USA. but i know that im not, never have been. im a lot more into entertainment with knives axes chainsaws or just physical beatings than i ever was a gun movie.

#1. We Americans are not obsessed with guns. A few centuries ago, owning a gun was the norm. Today, it isn't. The majority of people are ignorant and fearful of guns and don't understand the people who do know how important guns are. If anything, we need more guns.

#2. Moore and other ultra-liberals scare moderates away from the Democratic party even more than fundamentalists scare moderates away from the Republicans. That movie (and other extreme liberal media) probably cost John Kerry the election.

#3. We DO have gun laws, and they don't work. Criminals will know how to get guns because they break the law anyway. Law abiding citizens aren't going to abuse their 2nd amendment rights.

#4. Most gun deaths are accidental due to carelessness, intoxication, or poor training. This is because people don't respect guns enough. If they did, they would be much more careful with them. In hick towns like mine, we don't have gun problems, even if most people own guns.

hey asshole i voted for bush, yea ive been to WAR!!!! im 20 years old and i will be redeploying again, i cant wait to go back, the pay is so great im make nearly 20k for bn deployed for 6 months i had the best times of my life while being to out to sea so yea send me again and again....

yeah, well i hope its fuckin' worth it!!!

money isnt worth that shit!!
why do you like war so much??

No, just by their 11-yr olds, who happen to think bringing a gun to school and killing your teachers and friends is cool.

i love michael moore. he was definitely a factor in getting bush re-elcted. Thanks Mike!  : ok:

it's funny how michael moore criticizes clinton in BFC (in an unfair and misleading way i might add), but all the liberals on this board somehow managed to turn this into a bush-bashing thread.

and by the way, gun laws do not work. remember the assault weapon ban? it expired last year, and there's been no change in the stats.

Really? Seems to work in every other country... Canada, India, Japan, everywhere. The problem in the US is the gun companies have too much muscle. Probably funded Bush's campaign or something... ::)

What works for everyone else might not work for us. Is it really that hard to understand?

The reason Gun laws don?t work in America is cause they aren?t nearly tough enough .it?s to damn easy to get a gun here.


But even having stiffer gun laws probably wouldn?t help that much ,cause it is also just as easy to buy one from another source than a store.

The purpose of gun control laws is to make sure lawful people get the guns and keep them out of the hands of criminals and the insane. They aren't supposed to make guns any harder to get, that's just an unfortunate side effect of the bureauocracy. Making the laws "tougher" would only hurt law abiding citizens.

But if making the laws tougher would help keep guns out of those none law abiding people then I think it would be worth it .

Though like I said I don?t think it would end the problem though .But it would at least be a start.

i dont like war, i love bn deployed

oh yea by the way im only 20 and i have done more and knwo things u couldnt even imagine so yea i really dont think that im an idiot, if only u knew half of the shit that goes on in the world you would understand... but you dont and never will,  ps im a submariner

Only because the people have been convinced that we "need guns" to protect ourselves from the big bad wolf.

If we didn't have guns and had strict laws that punished people for having them, problem would be on the way to being solved. Naysayers would laugh at that, but the proof is in countries around the world and their low murder rates.

The laws written back in the day were to "form a militia" for locals to protect their town. Not to "bare arms" with a fucking assault riffle in the suburbs. Things are different now, and they only quote "right to bare arms" and not the remainder of the sentence/paragraph which is (purposely) misleading.

Show a link to back your claims about the assualt weapons.

MM didn't help Bush get re-elected (please show link to back your claims).

Only stupid Americans who believe that the war on terror was to fought in a country that didn't attack us in the first place helped Bush win the election.

Gun laws do not work? We don't have gun laws! Not like people are talking here.

You get serious gun laws: Make them illegal, and impose stiff mandatory sentences for anybody caught with a guy, giving an amnesty period to turn in guns to questions asked for the first two weeks. Then harsh sentencing for guns. That is a gun law! Not this horse shit we have here in the states.

You impose a gun law like that, the "bad guys" will eventually get locked up and/or get the message. But we aren't going to do that in this country. Why? Because the RIGHT WING BACKED NRA has funneled hundreds of thousands of dollars to our whore leaders to look away instead of realizing that guns should be illegal in this country and only carried by law enforcement.

Please STOP condemning people for having the right to bare arms.  Remember guns don't kill people, people kill people and that's the FUCKING TRUTH. You might as well start banning knifes, bats and anything that could be used as a weapon.

amen that's exactly why im not a LIBERAL, and why i'll never vote for one, they dont have the backbone to standup for wat is right!! Like the the Right to bare arms or the right to life of an unborn, or the punishment well deserved of murderers....



Wow what an outstanding person!!!! Bravo Zulu to you : ok: : ok: im real glad that wish death among some one of opposing political veiws!! yea thats right , i think thats how hittler and all the other evil dictators of the world came to power, so glad that you share something in common with them!!! you dont see Bush whacking ppl or saying they should die?  you need to grow up and get a life kid!

neways i thought you all might be interested in the message "CLINTRON" sent me yesterday...

Surely u can't believe that?

Over here in the UK no law abiding person owns a gun (okay, except farmers)

Most people over here have never even see a gun in their life

No one over here ever says we need guns

And life fuctions well, our justice systems is incredibly tough on those who do get their hands on guns

U only need a gun to kill someone. They are leathal weapons after all. So if u believe people should have guns, are u prepared to kill someone?



Sounds like you got a problem there - and because your existing gun laws don't work u argue


 ???

Surely when in a hole...stop digging?


Every one has bad days, days when there depressed and days when they are likely to do something they wouldn't

U add a gun to that and u r someway to explaining why America's murder rate is so high

Bad days over here don't usually involve guns

A civilian doesn't need a gun - and why would they? To defend themselves....against other people with guns? Sounds like a vicious circle



We agree - having the gun laying about is just asking for trouble



Having respect for a gun means not handling it unless u r prepared to kill someone.

If ur prepared to kill someone you shouldn't have a gun.


I bet if u compare the murder rate to any other 'hick' town in a country without guns u'd see a pattern....

People are more likely to die from a gun shot wound than from a knife or bat. You can run away from a bat swing or knife jab, but you can't run from a bullet. My brother was hit very hard in the head with a baseball bat and he survived. He was also struck in the head with a chinese star and lived. I feel very strongly about gun violence, because my father was shot in the stomach when he was 21 years old. I'm very thankful that he's alive today, but I know that he is one of the lucky few. Most people don't live to tell.

There was a gun related crime that happened a few years ago in my town. This guy was dropping off his 12 month old daughter at his ex-wife's house. He decided to shoot his ex-wife and baby. She tried running with her daughter to a neighbor's house, but she wasn't fast enough. He shot himself after killing them. And this happened on Christmas. But I guess that was his constitutional right.

Come on now Izzy, they can't get rid of their guns!  What are they supposed to do when the evil black man breaks into their house?!

make guns illegal? sort of the way drugs are illegal?

it's hilarious that people quote the constitution when it's convenient for them (seperation of church and state), but argue that the constitution is outdated when it comes to other issues (guns). very hypocritical IMO.

sounds like the left-wing nuts are using fear tactics...."no more guns!!!"

hilarious.

Yeah!  I need my gun.  I can't beat them like Eazy E's avatar...

i guess no one on this board has ever heard of hunting. believe it or not, there is a use for guns besides killing people.

it doesn't make sense to compare different cultures and their norms.

most people in the US have never shot a gun in their life.

Sorry, forgot that my life revolved around answering your questions. 

To those folks overseas, just remember: This left-wing wacko is about as representative of you, as the redneck right wing nuts are of the average american.  Just remember that when you get your news over there.

But to the answer the question: Yes, he is full of shit.  He is a propogandist that is out there to make money off of left-wingers that want some confirmation that their conspiracy theories are true.  I dont know if you have ever watched the Tonight Show, but Jay Leno will act like he is at a press conference and ask a question, and then show the answer of some politician as if it is their answer to that question, taking it completely out of context.  Jay does that for humor, but what Moore does is the same thing intended to fuel the left-wingers.

If you want specifics I suggest you look back through the threads to find them.  We discussed this stuff at length numerous times.  I doubt you will be able to find someone that will rewrite all of the arguments.  Definately not me, especially considering you havent proven yourself to be able to have a rationale debate (see quote above).

You cant make a direct comparison on rates.  On the one hand, the laws are not the same.  Other countries dont have as "criminal friendly" of a justice system as we have.  Thus, many criminals that commit crime in the US are let back out.  For example, most European countries dont have the exclusionary rule to illegally seized evidence.  In addition, other countries are much more strict about punishing for violent crimes.  We often let people back out the streets.  For those on the left that are so sick of violent crimes, I suggest that you pound harder on the liberal judges that let people back on the street and that reduce sentences.  I also suggest that you move for tougher laws.  More than anything, a good reason that we have such high crime rates is a result of the number of illegal immigrants that we let in this country without any background checks.  While a lot of them come over to work, a good portion of them are criminals.  This is a fact, and can be shown by looking at the prision numbers from any CA prison.  In addition, you cant assimilate that many poor people into a society at once and not expect crime to go up.  Guns may not help reduce crime, but they definately arent the main reason that we have higher crime rates than many other countries.

Actually, most Constitutional scholars believe that the 2nd amendment was meant to be an individual right.  Here are some of the textual reasons why your reading is wrong:  The term "Militia" did not have the meaning back in 1787 that you and many of the proponents of your view give it.  The Virginia Bill of Rights, where the phrase was taken from, defined Militia as: "the body of the people, trained to arms."  Madison also took this interpretation in Federalist 46, in saying that it provide a readily defense of liberty against the standing army that the Constitution proposed.  Also, it is an odd place to find a provision about a guarantee for a militia in a list of individual rights.

I dont need to flash your post to everyone for them to know your a fuck wit dude!!

you told me your ONLY 20, i heard ya dude, thats great.
so what is it you've done, hey tough guy??
you dont even know who i am dude or what i've done....IM ONLY 21 cunt, thank fuck i dont have a head like yours who thinks his done everything....fuck off : ok:

after you PM post, i hope you do die!!

hey it must suck to be an austraillian when the american sailors pull into port because the 3 times i have been there, yea everytime ive gotten into it with sum aussie because you guys treat your ladies like shit and they would much rather be with americans... oh yea by the way axl is an american and i beleive he toted a gun around...

but i bet Axl isnt a stuck up little shit like you.

whatever mate, i bet the girl was paid for

Dont make it sound like this guy represents all australians.  I know plenty of australians, and all of them are damn good people. 

hey man sry night train i really shouldnt have stooped to his level neways i dont think that about austraillians i really actually liked the place the ppl there were great, but never really ran into ne1 as childish as him

I don't normally say this but...I don't understand why this thread is still even open...too much bashing and name calling...while I'm on that particular track..Underbelly, I find you ignorant...your use of insults and profanity suggests you have a very low IQ and are truely incapable of intelligent communication. I'm done now.

Ooh, finally some sense! :D



On that note, I'll lock this.

For those of you who still don't understand what I just said, here's the same thing in "your" language: Fuck off!

 :-*


/jarmo