Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I just saw a DVD of the Noblesville Indiana gig from april 1991, before the St. Louis riot, before Izzy quit, before the backup singers, horn sections, extra keyboardists and all that other crap. They sounded much better then. Even with ballads like Patience and Estranged, it actually sounds better without the extra crap, just Axl, Izzy, Slash, Duff, Matt and Dizzy on stage. There seems to be so much more energy and raw power to it like that. Axl should never have gotten in to that stadium rock shit. I mean, there's nothing wrong with playing stadiums, but you don't have to bring a whole entourage of backup musicians with you. Even a big stadium can seem like an intimate gig, when you stick to the basics. Just my two cents..

as much as i love that gig, it is very, very sloppy.  but i like the rawness to it.  But when you compare it to the tokyo dvd's, the band is much tighter and axl's voice is much better.

Just my three pennies to the first poster:

Your a dick with nothing better to do then moaning and complaining like most of the others do on this board. There was nothing wrong with the little back-up thingy's. In fact, it was pretty interesting and cool to me. Too bad you didn't like it........wait.......I'm sure you liked it but as in refering to my first sentence.....you got nothing better to do then dragging old cows from the ditch.

Enjoy jerking off to Traci and Roberta posters from the old days

i think here are a LOT of people on this board thinking that the back-up stuff sucked (i am one of them ) i mean i like tracy and roberta but the horn section and teddy bigbag was way to much imo.

I like the 91 and late 92-93 shows most. i  don`t think that axl`s voice sounded that much better in 91 than in 92. watch noblesville 91 and listen to paradise city  for example. it`s unbelieveable how fucked up axl`s voice is in the last songs.

Adding a horn section to a rock band is a hard trick to pull off. In fact, since the advent of recorded history, no rock band has managed to add a horn section and not look like pretentious gits. Besides which, it sounds horrible. Bad, bad, bad idea.




I didn't mind all that much though, to tell the truth. 

IMO Axl sounded worse in 1991 than in 1992 or 1993. I hated the horn section that was really gay. And although Izzy's playin' was sloppy and Gilby played much better, but the band sounded more Guns N' Roses in '91 than later since Izzy got more volume for his amps and... he was Izzy...

Want to be banned? Keep it up.

Not even 70's rock bands? Like ELO, ELP or king Crimson.

Or the Beatles for that matter.

i like teddy zig zag big bag or whatever, backing singers.....well it was a bit to far. horns were needed for some songs like move to the city, though i do like the live like suicide version also.

I agree with the first post 100 percent. The first leg of the Get in the Ring tour was the finest moment in GNR history. They were playing ALOT of new songs that people were dying to hear. Much better than Axl's shitty sampler platter of new material in 2002. Its still unbelieveable that he only played a few new songs.

Not even The Beatles. But then, The Beatles didn't sell themselves as anything other than slightly precious little musical imps, so it doesn't hurt them. :P  And really, The Beatles were a pop band.

I have three boots from 1991, St. Louis, Indiana and Los Angeles. Axl's voice sounds miserable throughout most of the shows.

However, I think the band sounded raw and nasty during that time. 1992 is my least favorite GNR year. I think they were at their heaviest during the Spring 1993 arena tours. Songs like Reckless Life, Nice Boys, in the set made it hard and heavy.

Axl in late 1992 early 1993 in my opinion.

No, thanks. I appologize for the language. But I meaned what I said about all the people complaining these days, taken in context. Guess some frustration or some sort. Indeed that last line wasn't neccecary, but it was meaned sarcasticly. However, I'll keep it to myself next time or will reply in a civil way.

Well that was very mature.  ::) Can't a person voice out his opinion, without stupid wankers like yourself having to resort to personal insulting? Grow up..

Oh and about Axl's voice: yes it did sound better in 1992, but then again i'd rather listen to a great sounding gig with Axl's voice a little messed up, then a gig where everything but Axls voice sounds like shit.

It was slashs idea for the horns and back up singers not Axls.

I've seen you post this for a while now but have never seen any documentation of this being the case.  Not that I don't believe you, I've just never had any proof of it being indeed factual.

Any quotes from Slash on the matter?

From what I've read, it was Axl's idea, Slash simply found the musicians to do the job.

Here we go again... Axlite's factoids. Please, document this, Dave.

What the fuck is your problem buddy? The guy was just stating his opinion, I don't prefer all that extra crap i.e Backup singers, Teedy Andreais and crap like that but in the end we got used to them, well until the band scrapped them anyway

Stop with that Axlite crap it so 2003ish  ;D

Anyway I think that the 92-93 live was better. I like sloppy and raw but sometimes the 91 live stuff was a little bit too sloppy for my taste. But I gladly listen all eras of the band.

I have always posted the quote by slash, yet you always seem to forget that. I dont have time to post it right now since im off to work but when I get home ill post it once again.

I've got no problem, neither with him or anyone. I've got problems with the mentallity these days. I've seen this discussion over and over again. In the end......who cares? The old days were fun, but I'm focussing on the new Gn'R and looking forward to discussions which are relevant these days rather then the past. But that's a personal thing.

Like I said in the post after I made the insult: "I appologize for the language. But I meaned what I said about all the people complaining these days, taken in context. Guess some frustration or some sort. Indeed that last line wasn't neccecary, but it was meaned sarcasticly. However, I'll keep it to myself next time or will reply in a civil way."

 :)

I actually went through a few hundred of your recent posts and couldn't find anything on the subject so I took the liberty of asking.

I read somewhere that the backup singers and horns were Slash's idea too.

Whatever the case,
I thought that was a horrible idea.
It's too bad that THEY have to be on the only official release from that tour.

I really liked the '93 sound of the band. With the acoustic section of the set.

But 91 was cool too... The shows setlist varied from night to night.

I find it really sad that Guns pretty much played the exact same show for most of the UYI tour.

They most certainly did not. None of the five concert recordings I've seen from the UYI tour have EXACTLY the same setlist. YCBM and Dont Cry weren't even played at Noblesville 1991, whereas Right Next Door To Hell wasn't played in Tokyo 92, Paris 92 or Chicago 92. Coma was played in Chicago but none of the others...I could go on for hours..

For some reason, I think it may have been Slash's idea to have all the back-up musicians on the UYI tour. I think Axl mentions it on a GnR past, present, future thing on MTV after they aired the Paris show? Slash then says how fun it is having an entourage on the road with them and taking over hotels. This is what p[ops in my head anyways. I'll watch it later & see for sure.

This section is called Dead Horse. Y'know? ::)

I cant find the quote but every gnr fan knows it was Slashs idea. He said it in some interview and it has been proven on this board before.  You can  believe what ever  you want, if I find the quote ill post it, but it was in an interview from 92 or so.

The setlists were the best in 1991. The shows were the most epic in 1992. The shows were the most aggressive in 1993.


The setlists got really dull in late 1993, when they were back in Europe and then in South America.


Easy, Brownstone, Live and Let Die, Double Talkin, Welcome to the Jungle, Attitude, Yesterdays, Your Crazy, You Aint the First, Used to Love Her, Patience, Knockin on Heavens Door, November Rain, You Could Be Mine, Dead Horse, Sweet Child O' Mine and Paradise City

That was the setlist for like 80% of 1993.

I've been a GNR fan since I saw them open for The Cult in '87 and I've never heard that until you brought it up eons ago.


Until then....


I digress..
No matter who's idea it was, it was fucking stupid.

I agree. The horn section was stupid as were the back up singers. So glad they got rid of them in 1993.

This topic was originally started and moved to here from the Guns N' Roses section. Y'know? That's why I was so harsh on it at first.  ::)

Well, that was my bad, since I'm the topic starter. I wasn't sure where to post this. You're an immature moron for insulting me because of that.

I already appologized for that, haven't you readed it? If you have, you might get over it. If so, I could stay away from this section of the board. We'd all be very happy bunnies.

Okay, apology accepted. Let's get back on topic.

Aren't the backup singers required for November Rain? and the horns, strings, trumpets and crap for Bad Obsession? So what's the problem?

Good point, but sadly enough they were also present during songs which didn't really require them at all..

No since the keyboard could do the same job for Nov Rain like it did before they got them and on the CD tour.

the horn section was great. and I prefer big stadium shows too.

Nesquick, who is that woman you say is hot? The pic is small so I cant really tell. Is it Posh Spice?

No, it's Buckethead.


Do you know the meaning of a personal message?




/jarmo

Dude, the backup singers are on the original track, in UYI-I. They're even in the Nov Rain video. What are u talking abt?

I seen GNR in July of 91. When they performed November Rain it blew my mind. Axl sang it perfectly, and Izzy and Duff sang backing vocals. It brought tears to my eyes. Hearing it on the album didn't make me feel the way I felt on that magical night in July.

Personally i think the back up singers, horn section.....etc  sucked ass. :P
No matter whos idea it was, it was an awful one. I was kinda surprised to find out it was supposedly Slash's idea- but they are really only needed in November Rain, Bad Obsession and Move to the City. :yes:

Back to the topic, I agree 100 per cent about them sounding better, but what do u mean "even with ballads like Estranged and Patience"? those songs rule, and suited GNR perfectly! :peace: