Here Today... Gone To Hell!

This has come from Sp1at.

Sanctuary are, allegedly, applying moderate pressue on Axl to release CD this year.

This has come from various sources, and is partly the reason I/we are pushing the 2005 release date.

Thought you guys might like to discuss it!

thats not surprising considering the statements Merck has made this year

but axl's gonna release it when he's ready, not when sanctuary is  : ok:

All I can say is I wish Sanctuary the best of luck. 

I agree with JB

Anyways if they knew 2005 was the year they would be promoting something in general, not just 2005 will be the year.. The minute that date would be set they would start the promotion..

Depends how much pressure

I dont think they should pressure Axl to much, they may open pandoras box.
We all know he has a temper !
  :rant:

Get in line Sanctuary!

BTW, thanks to sp1at for that ground breaking tidbit. Lol... I guess it's better than nothing. Nothing new in the past few weeks, and nothing real in the past few years. Damn I love this band!

Sorry where is it on sp1at  ??? I can't find it :]

EDIT:

Hi everyone, my firs post here :)

Agreed

Me too

theres no reason for any of the fans to be putting pressure on the guy.  management, record label yes those guys can.  we as fans have no right to demand shit from axl. 

Can we please not have the "I agree" "Yeah me three" posts? Only post if you have something to contribute to the conversation.

Thanks.

I agree AdZ (sorry, couldn't help it)

I really don't see how anyone will be able to pressure Axl into releasing CD. I'm sure people have tried before and look what we have: nothing. I just don't see what leverage anyone has over Axl.

Does this mean that Sanctuary is the new Label of GnR?

You know, I always thought that too.
Then the past few years I grew up and began to see how things really work.

Axl owes us everything.
He would either be dead from a drug overdose, or still playing in bars if it wasn't for the devotion of his fans.

It's a great cycle:
Man creates music.
Fans support man.

But when he's not giving us any music... why should we support him?

So really.. Axl should take a look at his mansion and limos and platnum records.
Without us, he wouldn't have any of that.

So yeah,
I think we have every right in the world to deman SOMETHING from Axl.
Even something as simple as a fucking explanation.

Unless Merck is more than just a buisness connection in Axl's eyes, I dont see pressure from Sanctuary amounting to anything more than what it did for Geffen in the past...

Why don't we have a right, we buy everything, we support him meaning no matter what even as pissed off as we get we still would see his concert, by t-shirts, vote for him in music poles, have forums dedicated to him, by the cd, so why not??? Ryan is right and everybody else that has been saying this since his failed tour, give us an explaination, a statement [not the BH thing] something more to the fans along the lines of what's going on.? He would take so much pressure off of him as far as the fans are concerned if he just reached out a little.

I totally agree with you, Jive. Axl's complete disappearance just doesn't make sense anymore. I can understand his disappearance for the first 4 or 5 years of the wait. He wanted to build this up to a mythical status. But the continued silence is mind boggling. He let things get out of control. Now in the publics eye, CD has to be the Holy Grail. Axl can only blame himself for this. If he had kept his fans informed over the past few years there definitely wouldn't be as much pressure. And it doesnt look like the wait for CD or the silence will be ovr anytime soon. Sometimes I wonder if this whole CD thing is nothing but a hoax.

ryan,

you better watch out, some people on this board are going to be gunning for you soon!  Hahaha how dare you say that Axl owes his fans something who have supported him through it all!

I have said this same thing before and people get in this big hissy fit about it.  Money is the name of the game, and if Axl did not have any money you can bet that this album would have been released years ago and we probably would have had a reunion show by now. 

I made the analogy months ago that GNR fans are like battered wives.  They take the silence everyday and are virtually ignored, yet they still fork out $$$ for his shitty merchandise that is put out.  So you people are to blame for it.  You support his laziness, oh wait, wrong term, you people call it "perfectionism".  Yes that is what it is. 

Its been said before man... I am on your side, but just wait for the barrage of insults from the Axl lovers

I agree. Without our lifetime loyalty, Axl would be nothing. His hardcore fanbase is the only thing that keeps him from being a total has been joke. Axl, its time to deliver the goods.

i am not one to insult axl ever,maybe a joke or two.but not insults.that gets you nowere's.axl does have a temper that is true.i only think pressure will ruin things really.he doesn't need that on his hands right now.he could just say fuck the whole thing if too much pressure is givin.but it has been way too long the cd shoulda been out in 95 after the split up of guns.and he should be on about his third cd by now.if he started sooner years ago releasing music of his own.but sometimes it isn't what fans want but what axl really feels like giving of himself.and not much has become of that in a few years.but after things do happen i think the ball will be rolling for g n' r again,the new g n' r that is.

number one:  you are a fan BY CHOICE...
you purchase a CD because you ENJOY the music
you purchase a t-shirt because you WANT to wear it...
you don't puchase a CD or a T-shirt or anything else for that matter for the purpose of 'supporting' Axl....   ::)
you pay for it and you receive something in return - a transaction made by CHOICE

number two:  an artist/performer is that by CHOICE and does not owe it to the 'fans' to create or perform....

and this talk about battered wife syndrome *yawn*
again... puh-leese....
give it a fuckin' rest with this

a battered/abused wife's life is made miserable by her abuser

Axl has not done a damn thing to make my (or anyone else's)  life miserable

to the contrary - through Guns N' Roses Axl has brought much pleasure to many


as for anyone putting pressure on Axl - Axl himself said that he 'gave into alot of pressure' on the release of the Illusion's abums and that he's NOT going to do that with CD.

Axl's comments about the "pressures of Illusions" just amazes me. The band just wanted to do a record. What's wrong with that? This 12 year insanity just shows you what happens when Axl has no "pressure". He still has no "pressure", so the wait shall continue.

what makes you conclude that he has no pressure?

there is pressure...  from within (his own self) even I'd assume...
but he spoke about not 'giving into it'
that is not an easy thing to do
it takes a lot of strength to hold out when everything around you and inside you is pressuring you to do something...

in any event - we don't know what is going on...   really, we are clueless

whatever is going on... my best wishes to Axl and the whole band for a successful release and tour   :beer:

Axl has no real pressure. The other band members have no clout so they cant pressure him. The fans expecting the Holy Grail doesn't really count as pressure. And zero was accomplished when Geffen/Interscope tried to pressure a release. And Axl IS NOT pressuring himself or the wait wouldn't have been this long. In fact, there have been several points during this long wait when Axl went years without even working on the album. Tommy let this little known fact out of the bag during one of his interviews. The NYT article also pointed this out. In fact, I think we are in one of these "Axl not caring" phases right now. For godsakes, the band hasn't even been in the same room together for several years. Let me ask you a question: Whenever you feel pressure to do something, do you spend years thinking about it? I didn't think so. At some point, an article is going to come out exposing this whole thing as nothing but a joke. And you know what the sad thing is: Axl won't even be able to defend himself. I think we are about to see a worst case scenario that will be the final chapter of CD: Geffen/Sanctuary will take Axl to court to force a CD release. This lawsuit will drag out for years. When Geffen finally wins, CD will be a quickly put together EP of the best songs he came up with and everyone will wonder what the fuss was all about. And then we'll never see Axl again. I just wish he would release it on his own terms while he still has a chance.

What is 'real' pressure?... opposed to what? fake pressure?

There is pressure.  He perhaps is, as he said, not giving into any pressure.  Doesn't mean it isn't there.  Which obiously it is.

is sp1at a reliable source?  I don't really trust it myself

Maybe the contract Axl signed with Sancuary stated he must release CD this year or the value of the contract drops. This isnt the first time Axl has received advanced money for Chinese Democracy.

Once Ozzy fans visited the Ozzy house in dark clothes etc. and acted like Ozzy were God. (It happened years before the reality show.) Ozzy's children started to laugh on them, their look and how lame fuckers they were and why they were idolizing father Ozzy... Then Ozzy told his children to shut up 'cause without the fans they all would have been nothing, the fans bought their house and the fans paid for their living and he (Ozzy) really appreciated their loyalty. Maybe Ozzy should tell Axl about this stuff...

I think you are a little off I can think of alot of smaller or reginional bands albums I have bought to support them.  There is this artist named Butch Walker (from the band Marvelous 3) I went out and bought 3 copies of his cds to give out to friends to help support him.  I didnt need 3 and i really didnt need 1 but I did it because I enjoyed his previous music and I wanted it to sell well and hoped other would go buy it.   So I do think there are people out there who do buy GnR stuff hoping or believing they are helping AXL

It all goes back to YES MEN and NO MEN. Back in the day Axl has bandmates that would put pressure on him and work on songs and if they didnt like them, they would tell Axl.  Axl is now surrounded by YES MEN that will agree with whatever he says and say Axl crapping on the toilet is a great masterpiece.  Anyone who thinks AXL has real pressure on him is drunk.  Pressure is a dead line.  Pressure is knowing it will take 120% effort in the time you have to get it done.  Pressure is having a finish line and knowing when you must complete your work by.  He been in and out of the studio sense what 97?  There isnt no real pressure on him YET.  That will come when Axl is taken to court for not producing a product like Jameslofton29 said.

Pressure is never a good thing in any sense. Think about when you were in school. And you have this huge paper due. You've got your parents telling you to get a move on it, all your friends are already done with it, and you haven't written one single sentence. So you cave and scribble a bunch of nonsense and hope it makes sense. Whereas if you remove yourself from everyone and actually sit and concentrate, you can come up with something pretty amazing.


You make a ggod point james. IF in fact the CD is forced out, it will contain whatever they can find that sounds good thrown together to be sold. And it will sound exactly like that. Then it'll be "geez, we waited x years for this??!!??" Axl Rose has never been easy to figure out. There is a reason the CD isn't out yet. And only Axl knows what that reason is. I'm sure when he is good and ready we will find out something. I for one have been patient this long, I can wait. I fully believe it will be worth it.

You are absolutely wrong. Pressure is inspiring. Without pressure you wouldn't make your exams. You wouldn't go and find and do a job. You wouldn't complete an album... Pressure helps to create and do your best. (Too much pressure is another thing.)

Maybe we just live our lives. I'm waiting for a release but my life doesn't revolve arount it.  Axl doesn't own me shit. He put out music that you bought ! You still like listening to it so be happy with it. He doesn't ask for support, does he ? If you're still here waiting it's your own very fault !  :yes:

james lofton knows all

I think the worst case scenario I discussed in my earlier post is very close at hand. Probably by the end of the year. The sad thing about it is alot of these GNR forums will probably die out. Because alot of people won't sit around for 3 or 4 more years while the issue is decided through the court system. There won't be much to talk about when you know that after the case is over, Axl will appeal the decision. The only cool thing about this hellish wait is the interesting discussions we all have. When CD is tied up in the courts, the conversations will probably dry up. Over in the lawsuit thread, those people seem to think some phantom lawsuit is delaying CD. Pretty soon, their moronic statements will be the truth.

SOme pressure is important, a sence of urgency is very important.. This is why most bands best work is done when they were starting out.. People become lax and it comes with having money and noone pushing the issue.. You don't need someone cracking the whip, but you need a deadline to keep on course.. If there was no pressure no job would ever get done, no one would ever make money.. Pressure keeps you on your toes..

i don`t think that ANYONE can force a release of chinese democracy, except when Axl handed the songs allready over to the label, because how could they get them?    and again: is sanctuary now gnr`s label?

Care to elaborate on that? I don't have a clue what you're talking about.

You shouldn't ask ;). He doesn't have a clue either.

What really amazes me is that it's always the ones that think Axl owes us something who call us (those who wait) Axl's lovers. I came to the conclusion that they were far more obsessed with him than I could ever be !  :yes:

Axl owes you something just because you've decided to be a fan?

The only one he might owe something is the record company (if the contract states that he owes them an album).




/jarmo

no because he promised several times ;)

I've been promised things too, but sometimes things don't work out.  :o
 
 ;)


/jarmo

i hate people who are full of shit

I thought the fans were owed an album first because he promised it many times, and secondly alot of us went to a cd world tour.. Every tour I ever supported the band in return gave an album with it.. Why tour to do endless covers and a small amount of new songs..? Why was kurt loder having sarcasm in his voice in 2002 at the vmas... ? That is because axl was telling him about the album 3 years earlier and how it was about done..

if you don't want to have people expect an album then don't say you have these big guns, don't say it's almost done ,and most of all don't even say you have anything until it's ready.. Please don't say round 1 and have nothing

in some way im agreeing with you, this is why im thinkin' GNR owe us an album, but at the same time im glade i know its coming......since he has said this shit, we should be gettin' regular updates!!

Yeah for me it's not the wait itself, it's the silence.. Just how the band is very unsure.. I think axl made his statement for rio 14 months ago, said he hoped to announce something in a few months.. Well either way axl should just say something.. He could say it's done, but my current legal problems are preventing the album from being out.. He could elaborate on the status.. At least we would know where we stand, wether it's 2 years away, or 3 months away.. it would be soemthing

I can't get merck, he says 2005 is the year, but why not promote it now then, or is he scared axl will back out.. Deadline's need to be incorperated.. Some pressure can help one excell, keep you on course.. Axl is a very wealthy man, he has no urgency, no bills to pay with a new album..

Hopefully soemthing happen soon..

Did you pay for the album?


Seems like the people who criticize Axl about everything are the ones who think he owes them an album. Weird.  :hihi:



/jarmo

i dont think thats what he means dude, you cant sit there n' tell us you dont feel you deserve something from GNR after all the fuckin' around.

And not a pat on the back neither, im talkin' about an album release or a statement for us fans.

He knows exactly what I mean, I stated it very clearly..

Axl is the one who has been promising it for years, he was the one who said CD he was the one who gave a setlist, he gave the bonus tracks and 18 songs.. He also mentioned touring for years and dropping several albums.... Axl dug this hole that makes people expect things,. Why is kurt loder asking about cd unless he expected it too.. Axl said he was going to wrap it up, said see you with new songs after rio.. I can't understand how people don't see that as a promise.. He even said a lot on cd when he cancelled rio.. Taking recording to a new level, hopefully an announcement soon..

Nobody made these things up, axl's mouth created that buzz..

Great post again.mike. And Pandora, if you dont have a clue about Axl's inactivity, go read the NYT article and some of Tommy's interviews from the past 2 years. Its all there. People seem to ignore facts when it doesn't suit their Illusion of Axl.

So, you prefer total silence than hearing something from Axl. You've got what you want now. Why the fuss.

I think Axl should show a modicum of respect for his die hard fans an issue some information regarding the band, the album and his thoughts on both. If it?s not out until 2008, fine at least I would know.

Over the years and years I have contemplated this band musically and personality wise, I begun to be suspicious that Axl does not in fact like his fans very much. He travels everywhere blanketed in security to keep people away from him. He has walked off stage abandoning gigs with both incarnations of GNR, that in itself is a massive ?fuck you? to the people who spent their hard earned cash to be there to show their support for the band. The arguments here that ?Axl owes us nothing? are invalid in those cases because you should get what you paid for, a full gig, delivered with the best of the bands ability, Axl included. There is such a thing as ?professionalism? in music performance and that includes digging deep and giving a show no matter what the difficulties. This is where my hat is tipped to Scott Weiland, he has not faltered in his devotion to building VR from a position of ridicule and apathy to a level of respect among fans and the music community.

People here go on and on about Axl?s fragile state of mind, his inner demons, the ?pressure? he is under?give me a break. Pressure is not being able to pay your mortgage or finding a tumor in your breast or loosing a loved one. Rock music is a recreational activity for most normal members of the public, not some high art where lives are at stake. Axl in his privaliged position, seems to have forgotten that.

Axl has been submerged in therapy since God knows when and still bails on those who depend on him i.e. his band (new and old), his management (no CD after 10 years) and those that paid to see him play live- his fans. This album nonsense is just another extension of that ?fuck you all, I?m going home? attitude that the guy just cannot get out of his behavior patterns no matter what ?professional help? he attests to receiving.

Axl doesn?t talk to us because it obviously is not important to him to do so. He pretty much does what he likes, so if he wanted to communicate, I?m sure he would.  Sanctuary would have to have their heads jammed up their arses not to be aware of fans feelings on this issue via this forum etc. They have to be telling him what feelings are out here in ?fan land? for a long time now and still nothing. Sure, he?ll take the cash for the Ferraris and the five grand horse sculptures but he won?t write a five line communication to those that appreciate and pay for exposure to his talents, that?s the bit that pisses me off.
Peace,
Intercourse.

try reading my previous post where I said I wanted to hear something good or bad : ok:

Yes you can. Axl doesn't owe me shit all. I never paid for the album. I bought all the old albums and shirts etc because I wanted to. If Axl decides to not release the album, I wontbe pissed off. I might be a little dissapointed but it's not like I'm owed it or anything.  : ok:

I won't be angry either, and as you said disappointed..  Serious question CB, what will new gnr be without an album in gnr history? As in say another 5 years go by will it still be a band or something in the works?

in 5 years they will prolly have had at least 2 albums out by then. CD is coiming out this year.  : ok:

I have been asked by Sp1at to inform you all that this is not concrete info/news, it is a rumour that they are investigating. Thanks!

Oh sure, it's my fault now, I never ever read the articles.  :hihi:

Find me the quote from Tommy where he says Axl went several years at a time without stepping into the studio, and then I'll believe you. I know you won't find it, because it simply doesn't exist.

It would be nice if people stopped making things up just to serve their argument  ::)

Ok lets hope it does.. Let me know if this is true, is brain, richard and tommy doing things this summer? Also I read somewhere(rumor?) that dizzy is working on new material with josh todd and I aslo read he is touring this fall? As for the 2005 release is that because you have some solid info, or are you going by what merck said about 2005 being the year.. ? if it is that about what merck said then why do you think everyone is so quite about a time period (as in month) rather then years? Like starting the promo now instead of later..

they are doing things this summer yes, the material dizzy is working on is done i believe(as in written). Its going to be on a soundtrack to a movie due out in september(which means it has to be done completely ie recorded etc by then). As far as I know Dizzy doesn't have any plans to tour this fall, that was just some rumour posted at mygnr.

the 2005 release has to do with alot of things. 1. what merck said 2. all solo stuff stops at the end of sept. 3 the label has cd down for a christmas release. So all of that together points to the album coming this year.

thanks, you are very helpfull.. I thought dizzy might be a rumor too... My final question is this the first time the labe;l has it down as a release or has it been slated previous years as well?

I have no idea.

From Merck yes.


Then that what Axl has been doing what you want.  Just always shits has happened.  : ok:

Ok, I know each year someone posts that this one or that one has CD listed for  fall release or winter release. I have no idea hwere that comes from though

I don't think this is anything the fans should be arguing about. Everyone here wants to hear a new CD, but complaining about who owes who what, etc..is ridiculous.
Despite everyone's opinion, it all boils down to this frustration:
How one of the most talented and beloved rock frontman of our generation is incapable in delvering at least one CD of new material over the course of a decade. On top of that, having an unlimited budget for studio time, producers and musicians and obviously, as much time as is needed to complete the project.
It's frustating for all of us hearing some of the new material, knowing how good it is, and wondering why in the world he can't just release it and share his music with us.
And as others have pointed out, it's the silence that is the perhaps the worst part.
I hope along with everyone else that we get real news fast, or frustration will soon lead to disinterest..and not just casual fans, either..

Yes I can. I don't think Axl owes me anything.

If I want to get frustrated because he has decided not to release an album in years, it's my own choice.

I don't believe artists owe the fans anything. Most good artists don't make music for their fans, they make music for themselves. They can also decide not to release it, it's up to them.




/jarmo

even Backstreet Boys, N?Sync, 98 degrees .... ??  ;)

Quite an expensive hobby, if you ask me  :P


Will you say the same in 2006? 2007?... 2050? I hope you won't kill yourself like our board mate because CD wasn't released in 2004. Ooops, I forgot that he only killed his username.  :hihi:

The album will be out this year. Believe it or not, that's up to you. But remember I said it was gonna happen  : ok:

Alright, i will remember that you told us.

Yeah chinese blues  you`re the second one whose words i`m marking considering chinese democracy in 2005.  we`ll see.....

and who says that the label has the album down for a christmas release???

i think the problem with all these rumours is that we seemed to be a lot closer to a release date in 2001 than we are now, but it didn`t happen for some reason, so even if Axl would say that chinese democracy is out before christmas i wouldn`t really believe him 100%.

last post on this page says so http://www.thenewguns.com/MetaBB/viewtopic.php?t=1220&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=13

mh  do you think this guy is a reliable source? ???

by the way i wouldn`t even believe axl himself.... :peace:

Pandora, Tommy said something about material they didn't work on for years. I dont have the exact quote, but I saw it on here.

Neither would I. I bet he is the damn source of Tommy or Dizzy's "hopeful" release dates.

Merck is slightly more reliable, I should say.  : ok:

Oh, and is that the same thing as Axl not working at all for years? No it's not. It just means those songs were put aside for a few years and picked up again later. It doesn't mean Axl didn't do anything in the meantime.

Do you mean playing GTA?  :hihi:

You're so clever. I love your sense of humour.

Didn't the NYT article say how he went years without doing anything?

No. Weeks maybe, but not years. I can't even picture how it could be possible. Several years doing nothing is an insane amount of time.

Than next time don't foret about the smiley!  : ok:

BTW I can't imagine Axl working hard for years and not releasing anything.  :no:

Actually Pandora, I do think it stated years, not weeks. And yes, that is very insane. I remember when that article came out I got really depressed in my hopes for CD. It painted a very bleak picture of the band. The article seemed pretty truthful.The guy writing it didnt seem to have an agenda. There were no blatant lies in the article. The really sad thing about it is Axl didnt even try to defend himself after the article surfaced. He just gave us more nothing.

It's possible he didn't spend all of his time in a studio recording back when he was busy with the lawsuits.

Or when Slash left and they needed a new guitar player.....




/jarmo

I think at the maximum it's a year or so. I'll find the article.

Thanks, ppbebe. I would appreciate that. I havent read the article since it first came out. Could you repost it here? Or at least post some of the scathing quotes? LOL!

The article is here :
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=19262.0

The closest thing I could find regarding this issue is the following :
"Mr. Rose appeared sporadically, some weeks just one or two days, some weeks not at all. "It was unorganized chaos," the same person said. "There was never a system to this. And in between, there were always parties to go to, different computers Axl was trying out or buying. There were times when we didn't record things for weeks."

So it's weeks, not years.

pandora beats me.

Also what Tommy said was that some of songs were old, which he didn't check and he just heard recent ones.

james in the top left corner there's a handy function called IRS aka the search.

Thanks Pandora. I could have swore the article said something about years of inactivity, not weeks. Oh well, I guess I was wrong. I must have read that statement in a different article.

Stop this Axl Owe us this and that! Its patetic Bullshit! He doesnt owe us Jack Shit! Axl is just trying to do things right! And we dont know all the problems
he meets on his way to make Chinese Democracy a reality! So please stop say he OWE you something!
You are just pushing your frustration on something new good music on him! Thats not fair, is it?!

Just give the man a break! I belive he will deliver! And more then that when things settle!!

 Spiral Out!

Ok I think what's haunting you is this bit from The Times.

The British producer Youth (real name Martin Glover), who has previously worked with U2, spent several months in 1997 in Los Angeles with Rose. "I got him singing," says Glover. "He hadn't been singing for around 18 months. I think the record had turned into a real labour. He was stuck and didn't know how to proceed, so he was avoiding it."


See.
It just says he hadn't been singing for a year and half, till sometime in 1997.

If you want the whole article, you can find it with "the search". I don't think I should post the whole article here.

Thanks. Your right. That was the article. You know whats sad about that late 90's period referred to in the article? We were waiting for an album. And little did we know, Axl wasn't doing a damn thing!

It never said he wasn't doing anything. It said he wasnt singing. He still could have been writing songs.

I dont believe Axl can write music. Not at a professional level anyways. Buckmaster or one of the conductors that worked on the album said he wrote all the string sections for the songs he was working on, and even came up with vocal melodies for them. On the more complex songs of CD, Axl will only be writing lyrics. Im sure Axl will write some original piano melodies, but im not expecting it to be mind-blowing based on pianos in the Illusions.

If Buckethead hadn't quit, I wonder if CD would be out already. Perhaps they need a new player to re-do his parts, or Finck has re-recorded them, and that's why its taking so long.

I don't think that would be worth the effort at this point. Maybe you're right, but I don't imagine Finck being able to match BH's parts if he (BH) was allowed to go all-out on the album. That's not a slight on Finck, I don't think anyone would be able to replicate a BH full speed 8-finger tapping solo in terms of accuracy and creativity.

i think that he didn`t do anything in the time before 2000 says nothing. axl said himself in an interview (loder?) that he was only figuring out how to make a record in that time, building up a new band, lawsuits, etc....

and i think garry sunshine axl`s guitar teacher said that axl can play guitar very well, so he CAN write songs. the writing is supposably done anyway i think. now there are other problems...

It's none of my business how much time Axl has spent writing music
or working on the new record in the studio, but it's fairly obvious to me
that he's not the most motivated musician in the world.
During Illusions, it's well documented that he was rarely in the studio (especially when other members were there).
We've all heard stories about this CD, and how they had the studio booked for months at a time, without him showing up.

I would guess since the cancelled tour that he hasn't spent a lot of time there, either.
Even when the band was a fully functioning unit 4 years ago, Tommy was the music director at rehearsals, and it's not clear if Axl was around at all.

To me, Axl just doesn't seem like he loves what he's doing. Whether it's emotional or personal issues, legal issues, whatever...there just seems to be a dark cloud over him and this project. But I'm holding out hope that he still does love music and wants to share it with all of us.
 

For a period of time during the making of the illusion albums, Axl lived in the studio.

doesn`t he have his own studio at hoome in malibu?

He has to, anyone who records now and has some sucess seems to have a studio in their house.. At least cribs seems to back that up..
I know he definetly lived in the studio for some time during the illusions as cb said.. It's in several gnr books I have read..

He lived in the studio for about two weeks while recording the vocals for Nov. Rain alone. I recall distinctly the anecdote that was in one Mick Wall article, about Axl being discovered asleep on the studio floor covered in a bucketfull of his own effluence - it's not necessarily true, but that's what it said.

Eva,

In response to your comment on bringing pleasure to many.  Have you asked the people attending shows in St Louis, Vancouver, and Philly about how they feel in regards to GNR and how they have affected their lives? 

As for 'giving it a fuckin rest' (battered wife) I think I will continue to make this analogy because it applies here.  What is the basic issue being discussed on here day in and day out?  The release of Chinese Democracy.  The majority of people here complain about how long it is taking (obviously myself included), yet when Axl and the band release a new T-shirt design those same people go apeshit here and buy it.  They are supporting him financially and allowing him to continue taking his time with this album.

Again, if Axl did not have money and some one would tighten the noose a bit he would budge.  He has been living the high life for too long and if that is taken from him somehow he would release Chinese Democracy.  So you say that a battered wife's life is made miserable by her 'abuser'.  Well guess what they are somebody's wife BY CHOICE.  I am pretty sure there are people here who are miserable because Axl continues to drag out this process. 

Now go ahead and be condescending like you have in all of your other responses to my posts. 

So Axl made the fans start a riot.  I thought people could just walk out of a show after it was cancelled.  Just a thought.

So? Fuck 'em (pardon my vulgar mouth.)!
Every time Britney or Christina or Hillary Duff step near a mic, my life gets a little more miserable, but I deal with it. One of my very favourite artist of all time, Tom Waits, has taken two (that's TWO!) near decade-long sabbaticals from releasing new material, or even touring, and no-one feels the need to whine about it on the internet or claim that he's making their lives miserable. Good things come to those who wait - for everyone else, a kick in the nutsack.   

I was just trying to get Eva to understand my analogy.... lets not get all worked up about this. 

Oh, I'm not worked up, I'm just frisky today ;)

Still, it does somewhat render your analogy moot, that it's based on the abstract perceptions of internet fanboy whiners (I'm assuming you meant fans, rather than members of the band or stuffed-suits at Universal). 

Oh great.............. antagonize this fucking guy more. Yeah that kind of motivation really worked for geffen, lol.....................well guys

Its gonna be a long 10 yrs, but I think we can wait it out... dont u??? come on 2015 whaddya say??
 :peace: