Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I've been coming to this message board since 2000. And all I wanted was for the old band to make up there differences and rock one more time. But many things have changed since 2000. And I think to many people on this board are stuck in the past, and dont undrestand what is really going on. I feel we should stop all the hopes of any old members joining Axl again to remake GNR. SO...

Here are a few things I just want to clear up with some of you (and some Qs)
1. Alot of people on this board are hoping that the new GNR album will be as good as AFD. Well, I guaranty you it wont be, because one cant compair the two.
If you've heard the IRS leak you can deffenently tell Axls voice sounds alot different then back in the 90s. And if you were lucky enough to see them on tour a few years ago, you got a good idea were Axls new sound is going. And thats what alot of people are missing out on. The new GNR is a NEW band, A new sound. They have NOTHING to do with the old GNRs sound/Lyrics/attitude. If your an old GNR fan, you obviously like that sound, THAT band. So what makes YOU a Chin Dem Fan? Let me take a crack at my own Q... AXL right? Axl is what brings you to this board? Axl and his new band.?. But wait just a min, we have yet to hear any songs on Chin Dem, we have heard new songs, but is that what Chin Dem will sound like? You better believe it. The Blues, Silk Worms, IRS, Chin Dem. All those songs came from the new GNR. Thats what the NEW Chin Dem album will sound like. Dont get me wrong, im not trying to give you some revieve of how I feel about these songs. Im just pointing out the obvious. Its a new band with new gaols and a new sound.

2. The whole VR/GNR thing. Im sick of it, all of it. Matt, Slash, and Duff have there own band now. Just like Axl has his own band. VR made a damn good album and it became the fastest growing album of the year. Velvet Revolver are succesful and right now they are on tour. Everyone in VR are happy, doing what they love and are having a great time. I think this is great. And some day ( ??? we hope  ??? ) the new GNR will do the same. I think its an insult when people say they want the old band back together. And when Slash, Matt, and Duff hear this they think its an insult to. Same with Axl. And face it, NO way will the old band every get together. They have no reason to, they are all grown up and have defferent feelings. All the old band members have said this many many times now. So lets stop with all this "I wish the old band would get back together" or "if one of the members wanted back" stuff. Becuase its pointless and will never happen. Think of it this way, take one of your old girl/boy friends you went out with, or even better an X wife/husband. That one you rele luved. And remember when you got into a big fight with em, and no long wish to see them again. SAME thing with Axl and the old band members. They will never be with each other ever agian. Just like you wouldnt take back a bitch of an X wife/husband or girl/boy friend. Ok, the point im trying to get across here is, letz stop with the post that tie in the old band with the new. Like I said above, because its an Insult.

Thats all I have to say.

Man how can one be living the past if we are gnr fans.. Gnr fans are going to like the band that gave them all the great music? that made gnr the household name they are and were... Imagine gnr fans wanting to see the band they started with, or hoping one day they regroup.. I can not understand why anyone would just accpet any old people hand picked in a band that was so amazing and considered one of the greats of all time..
If new gnr never existed gnr would still have millions of fans in one way or another.. As far as new gnr goes we have nothing, they have given us zero so why be so dedicated to something that really hasn't even happened yet..

It's like if brian may was out of queen, or jimmy paage would anyone not want them back, would any old person be suitable to use the zepplin queen name??

I will always want the old band back and always live in the past because that's were the only gnr era exists..

Edit, I will say for both of the group's dedication and effort I would like to see at least CD run it's course to make axl happy and vr as well then I would really want some type of reunion and reconsiliation

I agree with mike, im sick of the "dont get stuck in the past" because if the new band is so different from the old, the sound etc as you say then why bother naming it GNR. IT makes absolutely no sense at all.
Oh well lets hope some day Axl gets some senses, in the meantime I sure as hell want him to get that CD out.

I think you can like the new gnr, like velvet revolver, but still want the old band to get together. ?After all the orig 5 are why most people started to like GNR in the first place. ?No one said they can't go off on their own and do their own projects, but it would be nice if one day they could put aside all their differences and come back one last time. ?and BTW, since you want to compare it to being married then divorced, there are a lot of times where exes get back together. ?You don't always leave b/c you hate each other, but just couldn't find a way to agree. That's the case with old GNR. ?They couldn't agree so they went their separate ways, but it doesn't mean they can't get past that and reconcile...but only time will tell.........

The problem is Mike_guilana ?that with this "vs" thing - that only exists online. ?People have made such harsh comments either towards Axl or the VR guys, and have already made up their minds on "which side they're on". They treat it like some wrestling match lol. ?They would look really foolish ?If the old GNR guys made up with Axl. Simply because the excitment beyond the fan world, would be at the max for that. They are the guys that created the magic of GN'R together.  That's what people want to see when the think of GN'R - they want to see Slash, Axl and Duff doing what they do best.

The rest of us who just love music and just want to see these guys not wasting their talents, can enjoy whatever they do and the ideal pinnacle of that would be for a reunion sometime in the future. ? I can't believe how cynical the world is. ?I mean I know from my years of being a dedicated fan that money isn't the issue with these guys and anybody who has grown up listening to interviews and reading about these guys knows that it is not an issue of GNR making money from a nostalgia Tour. It would only be because they have made up and have a new desire to create new music together again. We shall see anyway.

And to the don't get stuck in the past comment do you know how much of the record industry thrives on back catalogues? ?Whilst good new music is essential, people will always go back and discover/re-discover the bands and artists of before. ?Music never dies.

Yes I know it's an online thing, we all know the sides already, we know who will say what in regards to a certain subject before we even check.. I know it's definetly different in the real world, this new gnr, vvs vr thing, or even new gnr alone is none existent (well by me at least)..

I still can't understand how anyone who claims to be a gnr fan first off would side with a new gnr over the real thing, and why it bothers them that the fans actually want to see them back toghter.. Reminds me of tsi where it says listen to the originals,.

Just about every band that is around for a really long time thrives on their back catalog because that is what made the fans fall in love.. No one forgets the time when they made it huge, that is the era most people want to hear..

I don't like analyzing old interviews or trying to make out new ones or battling with someone else.. I just want music and that's about it.. I know some are waiting for some magivcal album, I rather just see axl play and be a fan of his shows.. It's rock n roll just go out and do it..
I know axl isn't old but I feel he wasted so many prime years that he could have been performing for the fans.. Thank god I have a bunch of great albums to hear from the gnr era when they ruled the earth.. :beer:

You are right, it doesnt make any sense. Because the new band doesnt sound like the old wut so ever. And thats what is wrong with you people. THIS IS AXLs NEW BAND WITH A NEW SOUND. It will not be like the old band. None of the new songs we have heard as of now sound like the old ones, and thank god for that. Its a NEW band, NEW. It will not be GNR. It will not sound like them. It cant. Get this threw your head.

WanaBGunner, I couldn't have said it better myself.  The old band was hell for Axl.  Since we are currently in limbo (purgatory)...I guess that makes New GNR just heavenly!  They are for me.  If you enjoy the old music, you're not living in the past.  If you listen to, and long for the reunion, THEN you are living in the past...and you're quite frankly pretty moronic, because you know it's never going to happen.  I liked WannaB's comparison to a bitch of an ex-husband or ex-wife...good analogy.   : ok:

Being interested and longing are two different things.  The old guys created the magic that the name Guns N' Roses has built it's reputation on.  Full stop.  I am just as interested in the new GNR but again not longing. As a music fan i'm excited by either possibility but let's see some releases.

Do you think withholding an album for years and years is heavenly?  You could look at it in the sense that he has been looking for the right balance of people to fill huge shoes.  It's probably been a frustrating process for him.  From working with people he grew up with to making msuic with new people is a different thing altogether.

As a fan - When you have spoken and read about a record more than you have listened to it. Then you know we are all demented lol.  Let's hope we get that new album soon anyway  : ok:

some people talk as if new gnr is active and you are getting music.. New gnr is the past as we speak, the songs are all quite old, you have to go back in time to find live shows.. Some act like new gnr has had some lucrative career, that's why I can't understand the insane loyalty for them.. Axl I can understand because we are gnr fans...

Good point ;)

Hummm, the "New gnr is the past as we speak" Thing is interesting. Never thought of it that way B4.

So the old and the new are the past, do you think Axl rewrote some of the new stuff and some even newer stuff with Izzy or is Izzy out of the picture. By the way I support anything Axl does, I'm just tired of my friends laughing at me telling me I'm a fool that Axl's washed up, come on Axl prove'em wrong. 

No offense WanaBGunner, but you are completely offbase.  GNR will always be the 5 guys that brought great music to us in the late  80s and early 90s. They had great chemistry and were very inspirational. In fact, they were part of the reason why I overcame my disability and continue to fight stereotypes. The new GNR, although intriguing, is not Guns. They are hired replacements (no pun intended). There is no chemistry in this band since half of the members do not know a thing about a release date or what is going on. I hope one day Axl can release CD and then call up the guys for a reunion. This would be one of the greatest comebacks in history for one of the greatest band of all-time!

Since the band has new goals, sounds and members, might as well give it a new name too.  It seems to me that the one living in the past is Axl insisting this is Guns still.

Preach it!

Put the new gnr on the cover of rolling stone and the name guns n roses and most people would look at it and say....." ok i see Axl, wheres the rest of gnr?". It's a solo project with the name gnr on it. VR is more gnr than gnr :D

This thread is why I hope Axl doesn't come to the sites!
I'm not going to go on some long speech on what I think, but: This has never been done before and I think Axl is the guy that can pull it off. I'll just leave it at that!

sooo, what ur saying is Slash, Duff and Matt were all married to Axl?
hmm, isn't that called polygamy?...not legal...Axl could be in trouble on this one! :-\
damn, he's gone through a lot of divorces! :hihi:

well if they have nothing to do with the old GNR then they shouldnt be calling themselves GNR. They should call themselves "nine inch nails" oh yeah thats already taken erm...............

It'ws pretty normal to want the orignal band back, why not when you see gnr actually get gnr..

Being everything is new with axl it would make sence to have a new name, gnr broke up, they were great all their years.. You don't hear page and plant or plant now touring calling themselves zepplin.. I think the name is meant for a select bunch and should be kept that way, .. Wether axl left or slash and the rest left it's over.. That's my feelings and I will always want the real thing over someone else pretending to be gnr..

It's nothing personal agains tthe guys in the band now, it's just I rather look onstage at a gnr concert and really see gnr.. They are way to established and stood for such great music just to be redone without anyone but axl.. It started as a group adn should have ended as one until they could work out their differences..

I dont understand why you say im offbase? I agree with what you have to say... Didnt you read my first post?

I agree, but my rant wasn?t intended to point out that the GNR name doesn?t fit the new band, because it doesn?t. It?s Axl with a bunch of freaks. I?m saying that Axl has his band, he calls it GNR. And he?s making new stuff (we hope). And thats great, other than he's using the GNR name. And one shouldnt compare the too bands (VR and New GNR). Becuase they are two totally different bands. I just feel that too many people are expecting some album that will be on the likes of AFD. But it won?t be. And I feel that Slash, Duff, And Matt don?t rele give a shit about GNR anymore. They are proud of what they did in the 80s-90s with guns and now they don?t give a shit about Axl. They have there own thing going on, a new life. They don?t ever want to go back. Can?t you people see this?????

im not thinking its gonna be like afd. I thinks its gonna be all piano and very....technoey rock. Which if it does turn out like that, axl will have disgraced the GNR name.

I rather look onto the new GnR on stage then the old GnR. All the former members Izzy, Duff, Slash, Matt have moved on completely from the name and are establishing another testament in their own careers. When I look onto the new GnR in concert I see tremendous potential in the new material Axl has collectively produced with his band. All the band members (minues buckethead...and maybe pittman :hihi:) really put alot of pation into the old material as well despite them not having the history that made GnR...GnR

This is screwed. :P
U know, it is possible to like VR, Old GNR, and Nu GNR.
Nobody can ever make a better AFD.

As for wanting the old band to be back together- so fucking what??
Guns N Roses were one of the best rock n roll legends of all time, and nobody (including Axl and his bunch of "freaks")
can ever change that.   : ok:

They haven't gone far away in my eyes, I watch the videos with them in them all the time watch the old shows, hear them on the albums.. Now they have because they have to do something..  Yes newe gnr has passion, anbd the ability to make something good there's no doubt.. It's not like I have this image of new gnr in anways in relation to the name.. I don't collect new gnr boots or have a folder devoted to their pics.. I try and just enjoy the only gnr I knew growing up and that's the only true gnr.. You can't just have six installments and have axl hand pick any bunch of guys with some talent and expect me to feel the same way about them as I do the actual gnr group that took over the world.. Everyone in the band could leave again and axl could pick a few more guys ,should I call that newer gnr too and want them more then the real gnr..

I like a few of the new gnr song, but I don't listen to any of them anymore, but I do look forward to the album... : ok:

I just will neevr call this group or any other group after gnr unless it is gnr.. I don't believ in whoever owns the name can make it something it was from something new.. New music new sound new band new name.. Maybe if we get a few young blokes with paul we can call it the Beatles :hihi:

then why are you on gnr boards?  ::)  the old guys left a long time ago. all you do is diss axl and the band, and whine over and over and over and over and over about how he shouldn't have kept the name blah blah blah  :crying:

why dont you just go to a vr board?  thats obviously what you are all about  :yes:

Why don't you get a life instead of 100% of your posts always saying "why don't you go to a vr board"?

If all of the people who dare to criticize Axl were to go to a VR board, half of the people that are members here.....would be gone.

Then you could sit around and talk about how sexy you think Axl's braids are, or what size shoe he wears and etc. If YOU have a problem with it, why don't you just NOT READ IT or SHUT UP. You may not agree, but noone named you an authority of what people are allowed to say "Jim Bob".

because I don't think this is gnr means I have to care about what you feel..? I can support axl himself and not see this band as gnr..

You remind me of some dude named dtjmf

You can't just sit around and have a board that had different lineup and expect everyone to see what you want..
I am on a gnr board because I am a gnr fan.. You have this blind loyalty to axl and this new band and yet have not one album in your hands yet..

Even if vr wasn't around I still wouldn't call this new band guns n roses..

Well i still strongly hate GnewR with a passion since i saw that chicago bootleg. I dont mind axl doing things but if hes gonna get a band that bad then why doesnt he just get another name instead of disgracing Gun N Roses.

I love VR, best thing in years, since GNR maybe, not many agree but i dont care.

And all those people that tell any GnewR haters to leave, well why since the GNR section isnt just about GnewR. Its got all sorts of things relating to thr proper GNR also. Plus there wouldnt be much to talk about if we didnt talk about proper GNR. I mean theres hardly any new news on GnewR except for that leaked track which sounded similar to omg (only heard first leak though).

Really? I'm truly shocked!

What's the world coming to....




/jarmo

that is exactly why there will never be a reunion. so people need to give it up and i agree that its an insult to even slash and Duff to always scream about wanting a reunion.

they moved on, they are in different places in life and they all seem very content and happy.

I think the biggest complaint OLD GNR fans have is the fact Axl uses the name which i can see both sides of.

No reunion, if a reunion is the only thing stopping someone from liking VR or NewGNR, they are wrong and childish.

u cant wish failure on one thing hoping it will bring back the desired thing u want to see.
IF VR and NEW GNR fail there will still not be a reunion

so might as well support em both!

a Re-union of GNR in my oppinion would be one tour of the original line up. Not reforming or anything since i love VR and want them to continue. Plus i think it would help boost peoples awarness of GNR if it was on TV.

Don't let you be influenced by their look. If you talk about the Chicago'02 Video bootleg, I have it, and this is my favourite new GN'R concert. Even if the band is not "attractive" to watch (ok sure this is not the Rock N' Roll look of the old band) musically, it's a GREAT concert .

Actually, several people on this site have (repeatedly) have noted that The Blues and Madagascar sound like they are from the UYI era. And the correct word is "through" your head, not threw. He threw the ball. The ball passed  through the wall. Get it?

But Axl isnt flying solo. He has a band. Thats the difference. Many people here actually like and support the band as well as Axl.

If you want to get all wrapped up in the name go ahead. I dont know why though. The old members have moved on, why cant you? This band is called GNR. Its the new era of GNR. The old was great but it is now over. You have some choices. You can move on because you dont agree with keeping the name, or you can accept it and possibly support the band.

In Axls mind GNr has never ended. And theres nothing you can whine about or do that will change that. When its all said and don we will be getting a GNR album. And if its good then what? Will it not be good because its under the gnr name? Its music. If its good, its good.

one problem with your point. if you dont like new gnr then how can you support them.

I can support axl even though i think hes gone crazy lol. But not these new guys.

If you want to get all wrapped up in the name go ahead. I dont know why though. The old members have moved on, why cant you? This band is called GNR. Its the new era of GNR. The old was great but it is now over. You have some choices. You can move on because you dont agree with keeping the name, or you can accept it and possibly support the band.

I will get all wrapped up. Because im pissed at a lot of people on this board. Everyone thinks GNR are so popular (which they are) but that?s old skool GNR. I've been to about 10 concerts where people were talking about GNR, and all anyone knows is Axl has a new band and they think they suck. I was always the one who spoke up and told everyone the down low on the new GNR. And I?m sick of sticking up for Axl. I used to really like the man, and believed in what he was doing. But it?s becoming a joke now. And no way in hell will he ever be able to dig himself out now, no matter how good the album is. That?s why we don?t have Chin Dem.

They think it sux because like yourself, they havnt gotten over the name thing

The current era of GNr will always be a joke until Axl releases ther album and lets the music be the focus. The people can judge Axl and this band based on that rather than speculation and false starts or whatever. A kickass single/video and a great album will be the way out of that "hole"

Whatever. I like what you said in the first post.

You don't have to stick up for Axl. You don't have to like him or believe in what he is doing.
When you don't like the music, that's that isn't it?  ???

I'm keyed up about this band since I heard a new song, just like the ppl of mid '80 who first found the unknown lil band called itself Guns n' Roses. That's that.

I would say I'm more of an Axl fan. I don't mind the new band, they were great live, but I went to see Axl not the rest of them.

Personally I would prefer the old band (as most of us would I'm sure) but anything with Axl on vocals is cool with me. And since the old band is NOT getting back together, I guess i'm cool with the new version. And whatever version it is, it's still GnR, because Axl says so. And Axl is the driving force in the band. (He's not driving too fast though ?:hihi: )

Exactly, he needs to release this album and let the fans really sink their teeth into NuGNR.  Maybe then Axl and his band can get the respect of not only their peers but us, the fans as well.   He sure isn't getting it the way things have been going the last couple of years and the more years that go by, the bigger the hole.   For me, I think as great as this album can be, I still will favor old GNR as that is what I grew up with in my teenage years and my early 20's and will forever be devoted to that era of GNR.

Unfortunately Axl and the new band havnt given much for peopel to see them and not just Axl. So naturally you were there for Axl first.

IMO, theres no problem in which era you favor. If you grew up with old gnr then naturally your gonna have a softer side with them than new. With that being said, that doesnt mean you cant enjoy the new stuff and enjoy the new band when it comes out.

Hopefully when its all said and done, GNr will have 2 eras that achieved musical greatness. Theres no reason why you couldnt like both.

Yes, I agree you can absolutely favor one but still enjoy the other.  I just wish I could have the opportunity to enjoy the other already.

The era of Black Sabbath without Ozzy sucked; Ozzy sounded best with Randy alive and in the band; Aerosmith blew without Joe Perry...........People will always choose one over the other. Thats why it's called TASTE!

it really matters when you become a fan of a band to who is the real band, if you became a van halen fan in 1985 you would be more for sammy haggar because that' s what you know.. If you became a KISS fan when animalyze came out you wouldn't know ace..

If you are someone young who found gnr out over the past 5-6 years I can understand you not really caring about the older guys because you might have been introduced to gnr through new gnr.. Yiou found it like that and it seems normal, but if you are around 30 or better I can't see wanting a replacement over the real thing.. You love what you grew up with and that's the way it is most of the time..

Mike,
How long had they stayed your version of the "original" band after they became your fav lineup?

So many men so many minds?
To me a band is about the music (not the genre/style) and the spirit.

I really don't see what the problem is favoring the old band.   Why to some people is that a bad thing?  If NuGNR release's CD and tour and all the material is great and people like then that's cool but you can still favor the old band and it not be a disrepect to Axl.
No matter how many people in the band came and went, still to some people the original will always be the best :peace: