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With all the buzz going on around VR, old guns, Axl, IRS, etc. etc.
Shouldn?t there be a lot more talk, media talk, mtv-talk.......

I just get the sad, bad feeling that nobody cares about G&R anymore. I have been my friends laughing stock for at least the last five years. Always supporting the new album. As far as myself is concerned, I was like, ordering new gnr merch, being really supportive. Hoping for an album release, but nothing happened.

I mean, there are hardcore fans, but they are not drastically coming in big numbers. I think it?s time for Axl to release the album, but be on the clear side that it won?t be as big as "Appetite".

Not all GNR fans are internet users...

Chinese Democracy will shit a giant turd on Appetite

6,000 people in Atlanta cared about GNR last night, u shouldve heard the roar of the crowd when GNR songs were played or when Hoobastank asked if anyone like GNR.

massive crowd noise


No album will be as big as Appetite commercially, due to internet downloading and just the industry in general however

I believe that Chinese Democracy song wise as a whole will be on par if not better than AFD.

commercially it might not do as well *which it wont* it may not have a bunch of top hits, but for me and only me I think its gonna be the best GNR and one of the best albums ever.

Great to hear about the G&R support. They surely need it from us fans right now. It would be great if they can shake the business...

Original Guns N' Roses fans are now virtually 30 years old.
You can't have too many new fans without a cd release within the last 12 years.
In adittion, to be an active gn'r fan you need to be an internet user. Not all gn'r fans are internet users.
Nevertheless, it's impressive that even now, new gn'r fans appear. This proves Guns N' Roses music is not outdated.

I don't think the average music fan thinks about it as we do. But to say we are the only ones interested is an under-statement.  I know loads of hardcore GN'R fans who don't use the internet - just not interested in it. 

And when your in pubs and out and about talking to people if they like their music they are aware of the goings on in GNR, even if they think it's all become a bit of a joke - they have an opinion on it all.

I think the GH is a good indication people will buy it even if it's just out of curiosity.

"Original Guns N' Roses fans are now virtually 30 years old."

...what's your point? LOL! Just messing with ya...I got the impression you think that's old (Ha)

I think people are interested (obviously if some club owner in Atlanta can get 6000 peeps to show up, that tells you something) but I think it's Axl's turn to deliver something...talk is cheap...when and if he does, inquiring souls who love rock n roll will want to see what kind of musical stuff Axl has in him... :yes:

How many people were waiting for AFD? What position did it debut at? 185? And yet it went on to be one of the most popular and influencial albums of the last 20 years. You don't need to have a ready-and-waiting fanbase to become a success, nor do you need to be at #1 in the first week to make an enduring impact, GNR are already proof of that.

I think a lot of people do care, about the nu GNR.
I know loads of people who were very young when GNR started, and are listening to all the old stuff like AFD and UYI.
And 4 kids who are listening to Velvet Revolver, they probably know a few things bout GNR and are looking forward to Chinese Democracy. : ok:

I ?consider myself to be an original fan ?>:( When AFD came on tv I was only an 8 year old boy, but I was already rockin' to Welcome to the jungle ?>:( all of my li'l friends at school were tellling me GNR where the DEVIL ?>:(


ahhh I was the coolest kid ever ?:hihi:

The Greatest Hits record sales (Top 10 album selling in 2004, 5 million copies sold worldwide in a year ) shows there is still a (strong) interest in GN'R.
However I think this interest is almost exclusive for the legendary old band and for the old classic songs. It's called nostalgia. In my opinion, 99% of people don't know who "the new GN'R" are, and I think they don't care. They are not atached to them and never will. Axl got the name, the brand name "Guns N' Roses" and that's why CD will sell a lot, but face it, they are not the right guys (exept Axl and Dizzy) to play the old material in people's mind (general public). Maybe it might change when they play their OWN material. They have to proove a lot. Never forget that the large majority of people, when you ask them "Guns N' Roses" answer "Axl and Slash"...

Not the majority. The Guns N' Roses phenomenon arrived later in Europe and in the rest of the world compared to the US, they started to be extremely famous around 1991/92 with the Illusions. The AFD phenomenon was an exclusive American phenomenon. GN'R was unknown in the late 80's in Europe (the Illusions albums are MUCH more popular here even if Appetite sold a lot too). I would say the majority of GN'R fans are 20-25 years old (I'm 23 and I've been a fan since 1991). I even know 18 years old people who are GN'R fans. The GH album brang new fans. 8)

the only way you can spark interest amon non hardcore fans is by releasing the album. The album would not only rejuvenate the troops but it would actually bring in some new fans.

but you have to release an album first

Yeah, right  ::) We'll wait and see...

They are not virtually 30 years old, they ARE more like 35-40 years old. Not sure what you consider an "original fan", maybe people who started liking them when the November Rain video came out.

High School aged + in 86/87 means 18 years have past, 18 + 18 = 36. I would venture to say the majority of the people actually purchasing LALS and AFD were 17 - 25 in 87.

Just re-enforces the point that even though GnR have LONG since passed their prime, they still are known and appreciated with virtually nothing positive happening with the band in 10+ years.

 :beer:

On one other thing, next time one of you whippersnappers happens to run across a 40 year old who you think is totally lame and not in touch, remember that 40 year old could have been one of the people who lived and breathed GnR through their hay days... and all the fun that went along with those times, music and attitude.....

/jab for the old farts still kicking around here....

I'm sure that whole rnr world care about guns n roses,the last really big rnr band.I don't agree that the most of gnr fans are in 30.On usa tour and in england 2002  on gnr shows we could to aws all genaration since 15-50.
But the most of gnr fans don't know anything about newgnr,but when cd will be realise that will be something different.I'm sure newgnr cd will have agreat commercial success

In at least my community/area I am probably the only one who is devoted to the new GnR lineup like I am. Sure theres legions of fans for the old line up and the old material but i gotta be honest, anyone I talk GnR with anymore thinks Axl is a complete asshole. I remember my music teacher a few months ago told me that I "was the only person he'd encountered in the last 8 years who gave two shits about Axl Rose anymore." Ive played versions of the Blues and Maddy before for casual fans however and the reactions were pretty good. One guy who is a total AFD lover told me Madagascar is really "interesting" primarily because it sounds a complete 180 from the old stuff. Unfortunately he said that Axl sounds like a dying cat in the Rio version of the Blues :hihi:I dont know how we can expect generic music listeners to know a great deal of the new line up when theres nothing outside the failed tour to know. None of the members are household names..but maybe, just maybe will be soon :yes:

I don't know man....whilst your right in saying 91/93 was their peak in terms of sales and popularity .  But Their first Kerrang! Cover was a huge boost for them and Appetite is huge all over the world. 

Even though it wasn't number one in the uk it made a deeper impact on music than anything else had for some years. 

I dont wanna speak for someone else here...but as I recall, noonespecial is proud of being one of the original fans circa '87.  Hell, her profile indicates she aint no whippersnapper  ;D

As for the original question, sometimes I'm selfish and want newGNR to have the kind of cult status it does now.  And other times I want Axl to be the crown prince of Rock again.

"I dont wanna speak for someone else here...but as I recall, noonespecial is proud of being one of the original fans circa '87.  Hell, her profile indicates she aint no whippersnapper"


LOL! Hey, smile when you you say that buddy...I'll slap ya with my walking stick :hihi: 

I think fans are dwindling in large numbers by the day. CD will sell millions, but I think alot of people are really going to move on. This is probably the last year of strong activity at all the GNR forums. People are just getting fed up. This is the most critical year in the CD saga. If another year goes by without CD, alot of people are going to suspect that CD is a hoax. There might even be a major news piece discussing that possibility.

There are lots of people that will go nuts when they hear guns n roses is back, unfortanetly gnr won't be back adn it will only be axl..  I know the arenas will sell out, that name carries so much weight..

Kid Rock and Linkin Park have shifted 12 million copies of one album in less than 5 years - AFD did 15 million in 18 years. Music still sells, in the UK more albums were sold last year than ever before. Piracy is a little scam to disguise the fact that declining sales are the result of terrible musical quality.

If u make it...they will come

Norah Jones has sold 30 million albums since 2002 (with just 2 albums!). And she is not a "mainstream" artist at all. It's not rap or rn'b or nu metal or pop, she didn't have Videos on MTV with a massive turnover: it's just Jazz-variety. But her record sales are absolutely huge.

- If "Chinese Democracy" is a great album and if the promotion is good, the sales will be massive.
- In 1999/2000, "Americana" (Offspring) sold 14 million copies worldwide. It was a good album, but not fantastic. They just had a huge single ("pretty fly for a white guy"), another big one("why don't you get a job" or something like that), and an average success one (I don't recall the name but the Videoclip was cool). And please, don't tell me that in 2000 the piracy didn't exist. Internet existed and it was the same situation as today with downloads (maybe even worst).

true

i know bon jovi's crush sold over 10 million worldwide in 2 years, so I think u are definitely right Izzy

music doesnt sell cause it sucks these days, i tell u what though, i was at best buy and I had 20 bucks and i was gonna buy either Limp Bizkit's new one or Nine Inch Nails new one

they both were 9.99 a piece so i bought em both

they keep prices that low and I think more people will definitely buy cds.

I think people care about gn'r, people who have an opinion care.

Like i would be very happy if another group such as the rolling stones made another album or if led zeppelin did a show or even fucking metllica or slipknot or the darkness. It's cool to check out what these heavies are up to you know and if the album has something going agains it it makes it even more interesting and intreaguing. which makes the listening experience alot better. BTW Can you imagine putting on CD for the first time and just listen to it all the way through? i get goosebumps thinking about it.... :-[


when it comes to sales i think the album(CD) will sell millions no matter what, a new guns n roses record will be shiped to every fucking record store in the world and i think thats enough to have it debut at least within the top 5...

if it's a great record it will continue to sell and it will climb to number one and stay there for a long time.

it the record doesn't go home with most people it will drop out and axl would be left with only the hardcore fans like us thats going to love it anyway. his little click, his own special little fanbase, just like he talked about in the del james interview way back when(some one help me on the details). which would be verry cool i think. 8) :hihi:

Maybe the record will be hated by all and that it's greatness would first be descovered in a couple hundred years?!:.... ???

The toughts of the tour for CD makes me skared shitless tho, but thats another topic! :nervous: :smoking:

Don't forget to yell "Get off my lawn"...   :hihi:

People will care more once something is released.

The difference between many of us and other people = we get excited about what may happen, or leaks...Other people don't care about that, but when a song is on the radio, they'll go pick up the album.

I'm sorry to say that but none of my friends (who are big music listeners) care about GN'R anymore. Some of them like VR, some of them not. They think that GN'R broke up and doesn't exist... Some others don't even know that Slash left the band... The few who know some about Axl's Nu-GN'R don't consider it a serious thing. When I told them that besides Axl Dizzy Reed is the only remaining member they started to laugh.

But this joke can change if Axl releases CD and tours behind the album for some months.

Thanks for the laugh I neded that ,got to love these "gnr fans" :hihi: Afd is only called the best and one of the best rock albums ever made..

Thirty years old? they are older then that, when Appetite came out i was 19, so go figure.

Nah... I think we are probably the only people who really CARE about GN'R on a daily basis at this point... which does NOT mean that there are not a TON of GN'R fans out there who wouldn't join the party if Axl would ever get the band going again... they're just not sitting around and wondering whether Josh Freese or Brain is going to appear on track 7 of CD or comparing Axl Rose to Jesus Christ or whatever.... that's all us baby. : ok:

I completely relate to being the laughing stock with my friends. 

"soooo when is that new guns and roses cd coming out man?  Let me guess, in the winter, then next summer, in the next winter, then next summer, again and again? HAHAHA" 

Or my favorite

"hey man, I bet democracy will come to China before Chinese Democracy is released"

Or

"so man, do you think if axl dies he will demand a privacy contract be signed, and all the material to be put in his casket to be perfected in the afterlife!?!?" 

But, I'll keep on waiting.  Till this winter, and next summer, and beyond...

Define "care"?

Does the majority of the music buying public follow Axl's every fart like "we" do? (I'm guilty)  Do they create vast conspiracy theories based on the color of the bandana that Axl has tied to the rear view mirror of the car he's apparently selling (again, guilty)?  Do they voraciously devour any scrap of info from the bands management (guilty, once again)?  The answer is, resoundingly, no.  But I think that should be obvious....

But, do you mean "Is there a market for CD and/or GnR material"?  I think, by looking at GH's sales, we can infer the answer is a resounding yes.  Why?  Because it was a MASS MARKET success.  It didn't just sell a bunch of copies to the rabid fan base who wanted to update/refresh/fill in their GnR material.  It sold VERY well to the mass market, holding very high (and continuing to hold) places on the Billboard charts.  Hell, last time I checked...it was STILL in the top 50...a year after it's release.  That shows there is demand from the market.  So, in that respect...yes, people do care.

I think that post is spot-on.
Let's stop to contemplate, for a second, a world where the entire music-buying public was waiting with baited breath for a particular album by a particular band. It would be downright scary. Most of GNR's millions of albums sold have gone to casual fans, people who will pick up the album if they're hearing it on the radio but otherwise have no interest in which hand Axl picks his nose with. I'd say that GNR has a thriving online fanbase, larger than most  of the bands which make up the current billboard top 100, which seems like a very healthy situation to be in.

Yes and what it also shows me is anyone using the gnr name in the title of their band will do great..