Here Today... Gone To Hell!

We all know that Slash, Duff, Izzy quit the band and Steven was fired because of the Everly case and drug issues.

But situation is this. What if some one of these original guys would want to come back to the GN'R camp. Let's play, like if VR would brake down (because of Scott and his problems..you know what I'm meaning) and Slash and Duff were thinking that the chemistry between the old guys is/was so good, so why to waste it, music is what counts, right?..so let's get a contact to the red hair and figure out if he's got his shit together and willing to negotiate..you know, more age you get, more softer you get and I think this goes with Axl as well. What are the chances this to happen if VR would brake down?

We all know that Steven is out, no speculations there. But most important thing is where does Izzy stay here? You know, that GN'R was as much Izzy's project and dream as it was Axl's. The thing is that Izzy couldn't handle the pressures. But that doesn't mean that he didn't love the GN'R band and being in that band, it was his dream to come true when he left Indiana as it was Axl's when he followed Izzy to LA.

Okay, we know that VR is going very strong and they have showed to every one how much they have heart in that project and how strong band they are but how is it going to be with Izzy?? Does Izzy still do a motor bike travels to the hills as he did in the early 90's and was it 2000? Has he done it again? Is he talking with Axl? Does he want to get back to the band now that Buckethead is out? Does he want to make songs with Axl? Izzy and Axl goes long way back in the future and I think Axl has always a soft spot for Izzy. Isn't it Izzy who has talked with Axl since the band broke down..

You remember that Axl has always said that they choose to walk away but what if a one or another would walk back and say that he wants to come back to his real band would Axl let him come back?

Feel free to share point of views and remember that these are only speculations. My personal point of view is that anything can happen if people are able to talk things through. Slash and Duff are different case but Izzy is really the question mark. It really could happen, could it?  :confused:  :)? ?


 

 

I would love to see one of the former members come back into the fold.
I think that if Axl could dial down the ego and Izzy decided that he wanted to take a crack at writing with Axl, then you would probably see Slash and Duff start to head back.

I know this thread will just fire up the old vs. new debate, but I can't think of anything better than getting the core of Guns N' Roses back together. If CD has to wait longer, or even get scrapped and the old band starts a new album from scratch I'll wait. To me that is the ultimate dream...... I was just hoping for CD to hold me over until the reunion anyway.

I say bring em all back

Izzy
Slash
Duff
Steven

Ya ya blah blah "watch old DVD's if you want the old band back" blah blah.............


Has this new band put out anything?

I will go with the old lineup until they can release something and show me what they got. Sure the new lineup has promise and they showed us they can play live. But can they create new material? Axl has done nothing to make himself the lovable one. No one knows the rest of the band. What the hell do you people think is going to sell this CD? The name Guns N' Roses is about it. Even if the material is good it could get buried by radio and the dislike for Axl. That is reality.

Greatest Hits sold because of the name and the old music. period.

The 2002 tour started out good because of the name until most found out that it was only Axl.

I am confident Axl can deliver by himself. My worry is that most won't care and even if it is good they will say it sucks just to do so.

One thing is for sure given the success of the Motley tour.  Guns N' Roses original lineup would be even bigger.

Take this as a honest answer. Nobody is a bigger fan of Axl than me.

We can not lie to ourselves. The original lineup might be why we wait.

AXL NEED HIS "GOOD COPS".....................the new guys can and will never work as that.


by the way let's start with Izzy first


-5th

Izzy.....Izzy and Tommy are cut right out of the same cloth.  :peace:

5th I completlt agree with everything except the 2002 tour comment...... The tour started like shit. The three best selling shows were 2 of the last three (Boston and New York) and the Philly show that didn't happen.

But over all I agree.

good theory


please remember that this isn't the topic of this thread

I know what your intention is, but it will fire up that debate........ very soon someone will post the obligitory "F' the old band I want CD, the new band is more talented anyway"

This is probably true, although he is the only ex-member that says he still has love for Axl :-\


Axl would probably view the ex-members coming back as a step backwards. How would getting some or all of them back justify what he's been attempting to do for the past ten years? It would , for all intents and purposes, be seen as a failure, that he could'nt do it alone (er, sorry, with the help of his current band).

I don't think he'd be willing to admit he has failed.

I want Izzy Back!!!

this is only a game but I think this is old Axl. If Izzy would come and say the certain things everything could happen. And Axl is Axl but do you think that he is going to be the same in his 50's as he was in his 30's. You get softer and you learn and relize things and see them in a new way. These things will happen but does it have any effect? that is yet to see.

I won't say that yet but I hope this thread moved to the deadhorse.

It would be awesome seeing the old GNR back together but it will NEVER happen. ?Period.

Axl admitting that he couldn't move forward without the backbone of GNR... not gonna happen.

Izzy will never never never come back to GNR without Slash and Duff at the least.


When VR initially formed you had Izzy, Slash, DUff and Matt writing what each referred to as the "best instrumental GNR record to date."

Why in God's blue hell would anyone think Izzy would abandon his other friends which he has kept up great relations with to come back to Axl on his own?

Only a retard would even consider that possibility.

It should say something that the 4 of them are still all friends and occassionally play together and have written together, and that one former member has no desire to be involved. I find it curious that out of the 5 members, that 4 get along and 1 hates all of them, yet the 4 others are always considered to be the problem. Something just doesn't seem write about that equation. ???

Hey, it`s another reunion thread!

I maybe could see Izzy, or even Gilby possibly ( since GNR is short a guitarist ), but to bring back Duff, for example, Tommy would have to be booted and he is the most important member of the new band. I think the bad feelings run too deep for Slash or even Duff to possibly think about coming back. Also creatively they are no longer on the same page as Axl. And I don`t think VR are calling it quits anytime soon.

IMO, they are exactly 0.0000%. Axl will never ever do that. I find it amazing that some people still hang on to this hope after all those years.

No way...it just wouldnt feel right...if one came in then i'd want the rest back in. Keep it the way it is and see what happens.

I understand your point but how can anyone stop hanging to that super dream when:

1) New Band hasnt released anything yet so you cant really compare it and realize "ok this new band rocks I can handle not having Slash,Izzy and Duff back"

2) How can you not want the originals back when they created the music we all love and the reason we are GNR Fans in the first place.

3)GNR was always a band effort, not like other bands where there is like 1 or maybe 2 creative forces... GNR was an equal creative force that made it so cool. So you became esceptical as to how good only 1 member will fair carrying the GNR banner alone.

Its just my opinion I really cant see why people not want the old guys back, my GNR cd collection has Slash and Duff name on all of them and Izzy on all the original material.  :peace:

I see what you mean, but as far as I'm concerned I prefer to live in the present. Realistically, this is never gonna happen however strongly you wish it would, so no need to think about it all the time. You're only in for more disappointment.
Besides, I've already stated that I think reunions are lame, so the current situation doesn't bother me at all. In fact, I'd rather have no GN'R than a reunited GN'R (let the flaming begin !)

read the thread again and say if this thread is really a dead horse. I'm not talking here old vs. new or anything that..I'm talking about chances, the change of seasons etc. Izzy having still some kind of friendship  with Axl, Axl phoning to Izzy back in late 90's to compose some songs with him etc. and so on. Don't judge. this is a game, perhaps it doesn't happen, who cares. just a harmless point of views.

John Daniels
the topic may not but the replies are likely to kill a poor horse.

Basically I think wishing replacing a present member is quite insulting.
It's not like discussing their skill or performance or just showing your preference for the old members.

Then slim to nun. :P


My sentiments exactly. Pandora
I love the new band, the new songs and the new chemistry. It's unpredictable yet seems limitless.

good for you, I like to live in the present as well
Okay, there's your point of view but don't tell us what to think

fuck the original lame line-up

You're a moderator and you are already tripping with this thread. read the topic. this is not old vs. new thread or really a straight a head reunion topic. 

I think there is always the possibility of a reunion. ?The problem is going to come down to Axl. ?Slash has always said he was willing to come back if Axl would call, and I think Izzy would come back given that he and Axl go way back. ?And while Axl would not have to necessarily admit he was wrong, he can't be the dictator that he was back then. ?As he gets older, I would hope that he would get wiser and realize that Guns N' Roses is nothing without the Guns. ?We have the Rose, but we need the guns!!

yeah, maybe you're right. expecially when we even have a moderator going on with reunion and new vs. old thing. I was looking a little bit something else with these questions of mine but perhaps I was little too much close to dead horse.

John Daniels

Pandora's post you quoted  is a reply to Walapino post not for your topic.


Anyways If you were talking about the time after all  the Chinese things finish, say in 14 yrs time, I'd say "maybe".

Man, excuse me but you're completely out of it. I'm not telling you what to think. I'm just slightly tired of reading the upteenth fantasy thread about some former members coming back, which will then cause other people to complain it's not happening. This kind of thread is absolutely pointless. And yes, as a moderator I feel all the more strongly about it.


fuck the original lame line-up

Did I say that? Stop putting words in my mouth please.


You're a moderator and you are already tripping with this thread. read the topic. this is not old vs. new thread or really a straight a head reunion topic. 


When did I say the new line-up was better than the old one? Oh that's right, I never said that. Once again your imagination seems to be running in overclock. I'm just saying I'm against reunions and would rather have nothing than a reunited band. Reunited band, does that have nothing to do with the topic?

If one of them want to come back I wish its Steven... he'd look amazing in Brain's place...

If you are a real gnr fan how could you not want to see the actual band that made it big.. The more original members the better.. It's like wanting to see a KISS cover badn over the actual band..

^hey you.. It means if you followed gnr through their hey day you would want the real band rather then the fake one.. Any band that seperates gets shit for keeping it going and always has great reunion concerts... New gnr can tour, then real gnr can tour and we'd see which one more people are interested in.. You can act whatever way, but any person I know that enjoyed them back then could care less about this version of gnr but would love to hear old gnr any day.. : ok: Nothing wrong with supporting axl, I just have no interest in the people in the band itself..

Funny since I know many people who liked the band back in the 80s and still can enjoy the new band.



/jarmo

I want to hear Chinese Democracy, after that either way is fine with me, but first i gotta hear this album as is.

I dont want a reunion for the money

if they sincerely wanna get back together thats great but nothing just for the money.

It would be the biggest reunion tour in history if the five originals got back together.? ?Would be awesome to see.

I really hope it will happen. That would be HUGE. :D

When I look at the new band, I don't see Guns N'Roses, it's just something else.
Axl kept the name but it's not Guns N'Roses anymore.

Axl must convince Slash and Izzy to come back. That would bring Guns N'Roses to life.
Let's be realistic : nugnr is in a deep coma... For me this band is over.

no one said you couldn't enjoy the new band, I just would take the old members back in a heart beat over keeping hte new guys.. For me as a gnr fan I'd rather just see gnr.. :beer: I know there are many axl only fans so to them a gnr without any oringal members is all good, but I liked the entire group. To me like every great guitar rock band there was a 1-2 punch, tyler perry, jagger richard, page plant, etc.. The you have axl slash, to me you need them at least to seem like gnr..

Well music history tells us that it's not a case of if but when.  Sabbath with Ozzy people said that would never happen again - now they can't stay away, Page & Plant, Cream, hell even the remainder of The Beatles got back for a jam eventually. 

It wont be untill CD has come out and we see the results of that.  But i hope they do it before they all get too old.  The 20th Anniversary of Appetite's release is shockingly not too far away.  I'd put some money on that being a key moment.

I find it amazing and ridiculous that so many "fans" seem to wish that GNR had been preserved in amber back in 1987. I fail to see what would be achieved by a reunion or old members returning to the new line-up, other than placating the nostaligia-crazed moaners. In fact, I think a GNR reunion would be an embarassment like all other reunions; a group of middle-aged men getting back together to play songs that they wrote half a lifetime ago. For people who still pine for the original band members there's already a huge array of live bootlegs/videos, as well as the original albums and official dvds, and the memories of live shows they attended back in the day; is that not enough? The truth is that if Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven got back together with Axl to tour, the band would be a shadow of its former self anyway, it's been well over a decade since those guys played together, they're different people now than they were then, and they're steadily advancing in years. Does anyone imagine that the original GNR in 2005 would play with the intensity and energy that they had in the late 80's? That a group of middle-aged millionairres who've been in and out of rehab numerous times are going to put on a show as wild as a bunch of drug-crazed kids?

I've been a GNR fan since I was nine years old. I grew up loving that version of the band but I don't sit around hoping that they get back together so that I can relive my childhood because, like the original GNR, it's over now. Myself, the world, and the members of the old GNR have all moved on and that's a good thing. And regardless of who is in the band now, or what the next album is like, the original band will always exist for our enjoyment on AFD, Lies, Illusions. There's no need to hope and wish and pine for the band to get back together, they're still right there on the albums, available 24/7 for your listening pleasure.

Meanwhile, there's a whole new GNR with a new album on the way to look forward to, if you're interested. I have a feeling though that those who want GNR circa-1987 are going to be at least disappointed, if not musically disenfranchised, by CD.

My intension was not to provoke any discussion on new and old line up. Which one is better etc. I was just curious about the situation if one or two old members who quit the band would want to come back. Would Axl say welcome/let's talk or just be "you walked away, don't want to hear anything from you never again". I think that this question has not been asked from Rose.

You'd take a reunion inspired by money and greed over a band that don't want to take the easy way to make some money?




/jarmo

It may not have been asked explicitly, but when Axl says things like getting back with the old members would be akin to being sentenced to jail for life (I'm paraphrasing), I think his intentions and feelings on this issue are absolutely clear.


That's because we're not GN'R fans at all. Has nobody told you that all of us mods are actually Phil Collins fans who happen to spend their free time on this board?

Perhaps you have a point there. Didn't remember that line from Axl. But then again, don't remember who said it (Duff?) but it went something like; Rose is a person that has very strict view how the things should be and who's a friend and who's not to the point when he just decides to think otherwise.

HK-47. I totally agree. I'm glad they didn't take that path. Instead they choose their respective challenging courses.
Until they are too old to challenge, reunion is sissy.
The musical chemistry wouldn't be there.
Seemingly in GNR it was once burned out in the early '90th.

No.
In idol worshippers minds things might seem that way but music fans hear the music first then see the band and the musicians.
As a music fan I want to hear more songs like Riyadh, Chinese Democracy, oh my god, and IRS.

There are new chemistry in GN'R and the fans of it.

Is it so hard for you to accept the fact that there are Robin, Brain, Chris, Tommy, Richard, Dizzy and was Bucket(missing) in GN'R?

It's not what I would look for, I know slash had said in btm it had to be mutual respect, and that they had been offered crazy amounts of money to regroup and tour.. I don't want just somre tour for old time's sake, but motley crue originally regrouped for the wrong reasons and now they are talking about future albums and adding more dates... Good things can happen from wrong beginnings.. I am a guns n roses fan, but I rather gnr fade out like it should have years ago then have a money fueled tour while everyone is cold and distant or have a new gnr.. It;s tough because I do want to see axl perform again and hear him sing on an album..

I Will always feel gnr is over evenm if the name continues.. That's just me but I will support his effort even though I don't agree with his policy using the name,... Band breaks up and that's the way it goes no matter who's fault it was.. People call van halen with sammy van haggar.. It just depends on how you grew up adn where you stand in this.. My youth was the gnr we all loved adn the members were a big part of it..

I know a lot of people will say but gnr's lineup changed a few times, members left.. I agree, but back then gnr was the size of the earth, they had so many obligations, stadiums booked albums to get out.. Lots of obligations that they might have had to fufill so they kept it going.. To start it over know, or again years later just didn't make sence gnr broke up the entire band changed..

The idea is it would be guns n roses playing, not just axl playing.. By your theory every group as they get old they should change bands to keep it fresh.. Maybe every ten years we can recycle bands..
It shocks me some of you are gnr fans, it really does..

Fine you don't want a money driven no chemistry tour then that's cool, I made my feelings above, but I also rather have no gnr then a fake gnr that is carrying it's weight on a name that was established by a group of others.. Reunuions always sell bettr because the fans want the real thing, accept no substitute..

If I was to want any ex-members to come back, I'd have to say Slash, Izzy, Duff and I guess Matt cause in my book there isn't a GNR until the original line-up is reformed. Its like mixing water and oil, they just don't mix. I'll listen to the new line up but don't fucken try to sell it as GNR, you can call it want you want but its not GUNS N ROSES at all! Its the Stinson band, the Buckethead band, etc.. not GNR nutil the ex-members are back! Sorry you've been fucked over.

Oh ya! to all you GNR moms, Happy Mothers Day

I dont really want Matt back, he kind of pissed me off with his ludicrous "piano" comment on BTM.

While watching VR Friday night, I turned to my GF and told her "Im glad Axl has a new band"

now i get VR with Scott who is awesome and I get Axl.

I get VR fo the old school rock type shit and I get Axl hopefully for the new, epic amazing shit.

both ways I win.

Plus the excitement i feel over Chinese Democracy wouldnt exist with the new band and plus Axl would cease to be one of my heroes if there were a reunion.

Ive always looked up to Axl because he never really sold out in my opinion, he has always did shit his way and has always stuck to his guns.

For all that has happened and all that has been said, if he welcomed the old members back with open arms and did a reunion thing, It would just change the respect I have for Axl.

Meaning he tends to change his mind regularly? Hmm, I don't know, Axl looks like the type that holds lifelong grudges to me, and several of his collaborators along the years have attested to that. If he feels you've fucked him over, then you're out for good.

By the way, I found the actual quote I mentioned earlier :
"For the fans to attempt to condemn me to relationships even only professional with any of these men is a prison sentence and something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I'd say my parole is nearly over. I'm practically a free man and if you don't like it you'll have plenty of time to get used to the idea."

http://hem.passagen.se/snoqalf/art-200208-gnronline.html

Much like Frank Sinatra.  Wasn't his favourite book a Sinatra biography?

You're right. That was a long time ago though.

Jarmo, you don't think the current lineup is all about money ??

I think you need to take a closer look as your vision seems to be a bit foggy.  New Gnr have done nothing but sit back and collect a check for 2 1/2 years.

To date New GNR have produced:

- a techno B side for a soundtrack, which didn't include some of the current members
- one horrific appearance on MTV
- a dozen live performances
- zero singles
- zero videos
- zero albums

The only thing keeping these guys tied to "new gnr" is the money.  Tell them tommorow there's no more money and they'll flee faster than Michael Jackson at the playboy mansion.


The arguments are silly, old vs new, until new puts something out to be evaluated, theres no argument.   But don't think for a minute the new is in this for the love of anything but $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.   

I think everyone is happy doing what they are doing, from ex-members on down to the new guys.....and Axl.

Though, in bizarro world, if we saw the old crew back in action I'd like to see it mixed (some old, some new....)

Axl - of course
Slash - of course
Izzy - of course
Toss in Fortus as a third guitarist
Dizzy
Duff - of course

And I would leave Steven out, he's spent goods. I wouldn't want Matt in there either, I thought he was horrible in GnR (great drummer, wrong band). Brain in a bit of a wild card too until we really hear what he can do on the album. I'd cast my vote for drafting in Steve Gorman of the Black Crowes. Great feel, good swing, real solid.

Of course I'm just daydreaming here....but a boy can dream....

how is discussing replacing a present member insulting? The guys we're talking about are ORIGINAL members, the guys who recorded one of the best debuts of all time, if anything is insulting its calling any of the new guys GNR

Any band led by Axl is GNR. He has the right to use the name, legally and morally, because the other members of the band gave it to him. Regardless of the reasoning behind it, every one of them signed away their interest in that name. Frankly, the name is the least relevant aspect of any discussion about the new band - let's put it this way; If Slash & co ended up playing with Axl again, would you give a damn if they toured under the Velvet Revolver name, or Snakepit, or any other title? No, you'd support them regardless. It works both ways; Axl has a new band an album in production and it doesn't matter a bit to me or anyone else what they're called, I'm interested.

Reunions sell better? They sell better than what? And what does that have to do with anything? I have infinately more respect for any musician who does what they want to do and risks no-one turning up to hear them than those so-called "artists" who are crafted specifically to appeal to the public. Saying that the old GNR should get back together because "people want to see it, it sells tickets!" is basically saying "be a man, sell out!"




To those people who suggest that the new band members are "only in it for the money"; Don't you think that they could make more money actually touring for any band which asked them, rather than sitting at home and picking up a retainer? Any one of those guys could be raking in cash by hiring themselves out to any band which is actually touring right now. They'd certainly be able to make more money than any one of them can earn from their solo/side projects. Money and prestige are undoubtedly what brought them to the table originally but if it were only about those two things do you really think they'd happily remain tied to a contract with Axl while there's still no sign of the album or shows? Every one of them has better options than "doing nothing" for a minor fee. 

Not to me or millions of others who laugh at the prospect of this band being Guns N' Roses

Sadly, you don't get a say in the matter. Regardless what you and "the millions of others" (which I take to be slang for "a few dozen people on the internet") might laugh at, Axl owns the name, any band he wants to call Guns N Roses is Guns N Roses. End of story.? ?

If they were, they would release a cd every two years, dvds out from old shows, singles, rereleased singles, best of, bootlegs e.t.c...... Classic stuff like Maiden do every year (I like Maiden btw).
Unfortunately for u, the new is more for the fame (or glory) than money. Axl's already a millionaire besides.

Also to be honest the only one who could return to GN'R easier than everybody else is Gilby. He has a good relationship with Axl after 2000.

I love VR but I would give them up in a second to see Gn'R back together again. All five original members. They should atleast give Steven a shot and if it doesn't work out then just use Brain. I never liked Matt Sorum. I never liked Dizzy either for that matter , but I guess he would be there tagging along....

IT'S NOT TECHNO FOR FUCKS SAKE !!!!

How long will we have to put up with ignorant comments like this one?

I have a little objection to "the type that holds lifelong grudges" bits.

From the way Tommy has described the matter, Axl seems to just forget about the person completely.
He considers the person of no existence, no more bothers and that's that.

And it's only if (he feels) the person really severs the chain with him, in bad faith.
So I read.

same here not everyone understands what a group is.. If the roles were reversed an a van halen type sammy haggar thing happened I wouldn't consider it gnr without axl either.. Just because someone owns the name doesn't mean it still is the same thing..

Somehow I doubt that. I think it's hard to "forget" about a person who you feel has betrayed you. Just because you don't talk to them or mention them anymore doesn't mean you have forgotten them. The pain of the betrayal and the grudge are still there. And Axl's numerous onstage rants about his family, ex-members, ex-collaborators and what not are a total proof of the fact that he has a hard time getting over those issues IMO.

I would be completely in favour of any of the original GnR members returning to the band. Although I like the new band, and can't imagine Axl making a CD below standard; the original band are the reason I am a GnR fan, and most likely the reason the people who bash the old band and constantly insist the new band is much better became fans too. And IMO Axl playing with Gilby in 2000, and talking to Izzy a while back, seems to show, Axl does not hold grudges on the level people have the impression he holds them. So, in the unlikely event that the original members would return, I would support it 100%

And if he found that totally waste of time?
He may have learnt from experience (unlike me) and never minds the bollocks. JMO.

Besides, providing He's still in touch with his family, they are not "The deads" for him.

for me visually the new guys have done nothing for me.. As gnr players they did a handfull of shows in a brief period of time ,so by any means they are all replacabale without having to think twice.. Not like most of us have this bond that has formed from years of enjoying their gnr work and seeing them live.. Maybe some have grown to like them by watching the same bootlegs six thousand times over and over..

As far as the real world knows there is no Nu Gnr ,there's really No Gnr, so getting any old member back is a definite plus;.. I am not goign searching for robin's NIN work when I hate NIN's, not going to follow primus to hear brain, not going to go get replacement cd's to hear a bass player.. I should be able to know these guys by playing with axl in the present, not fishing for shows from 2000-2002.. Great to hear axl, but anyone else is out the door in a flash for the real gnr..

Mike,
As far as I know, No band makes magnificent albums more than several unless at some point it manages to change the musical direction revolutionarily. With the new direction all the members should be of one accord. Apparently the old GN?R members weren't.

Yes, it is.

Then your idols abandoned the band and are in anther band now. It was before '97 and now is 2005, mind you.
You close your eyes to this fact callously and open your bad mouth against the hearties who dared hop on the ship to prop up the captain in the dumps. Maybe they felt his goals and wanted to share in them with him.
A Friend in need is a friend indeed.


Call the band whatever you like but it doesn't change the fact that the current band is the only GN'R existing.
This is the real GN'R in 2005.
The Real fan is who at any rate, gives support to the band, no matter what other band or musicians outside the band he/she likes or dislikes. You're the fake fan if you don't.

PPBEBE is quite a sassy lassy today-full of vinegar. :hihi: These discussions should all be banned or moved to dead horse. Of course, then the gnr board would have no active topics.

Yay, viva pickles! I already said that at page one. :hihi:

Fake fan that's a good one.. Right now gnr doesn't exist ,even the fake one you love isn't around, hasn't been in over two years..
SO the real fan is someone who just supports axl and basically says fuck anyone else.. The group broke up this is just some novelty act.

Hey ppbebe how ya doing? I like your post here, I couldnt have written what ya put any better! Things are very quite at the moment in the guns world unfortunately and there are way to many moaning fuckers making stupid comments so its nice to see comments like this that are sensible! Heres to a big 2005 for Guns n Roses!!!

axl has been saying cd is coming out since 1999, it's 2005, who's acting reasonable. Us nut jobs that stayed loyal to the real band not some pick n choose gnr.. Maybe when someone else leaves we can join :beer: It will only be gnr if the band ever reunites..

This is where the problems begin with some so called fans like you Mike! I loved the original band as much as the next person, but shit happened and they broke up. The band have now evolved and its a new guns as we know that that I am looking forward to hearing new material from. Why cant you move on and enjoy what is about to happen instead of making stupid fucking comments liek the above one! Are you the same Mike Giuliana who had like 1500 posts on here once and now have reapeared with just a few? If you are its a shame cos you used to post some pretty mature and sensible threads, but now this!! Why?

enjoy what is about to happen??
What is about to happen?
The new line up hasn't shown signs of life since a failed tour in 2002. how can anyone hold the new lineup in such high regard without having to prove themselves??

Of course it;s the same person.. What is so rediculous about not feeling this is gnr ,adn that the name should have been shelved till the actuall band gnr formed.. Also who ever said I am not looking forward to hearing the album?  But some of you just act like it's definetly going to happen.

The title was if one of the ex members wanted to come back so this deals with the past.. What gnr fan wouldn't want the actual band over some replacement players.. 

Maybe because time has passed you will just accept anything as long as it's called gnr.. Whatever axl calls gnr you will do the same..

New band, new sound(?), so how about a new name to go along with it..

Just because some people convince themselves anything with axl is gnr doesn't mean everyone feels the same or lives in the past.. It's about there is only one gnr.. Now that doesn't mean I Don't support axl, it just means I don't agree with the name and the ideas I have to just like whatever guys he threw in there..

THE MUSIC : ok:


Yo! estranged33
good shout, mate (as usual)!!! :D

Yeah they did some great slash duff izzy covers on the instruments..

Enjoy Chinese Democracy coming out this years thats what! I hold the line up in such high regard because I am positive! I like the few new songs I have heard so far and I believe in the new line up and I have always believed in Axl and what he does! Thats all really!!! Its gotta be better than being negative and moaning about the band all the time, cos I wont be the one crawling back with my dick in my hands when the album comes out having to be positive all of a sudden after moaning fro so long! I dont me you personally Coma I just mean Negative fans in general!

??? have no idea. What song precisely?

I was joking saying the great music was just covers done by the new band of stuff the old guys already did.. I know you mean the new music I was joking.. It just hasn't blown me away yet, and the songs they did in 2001-2002 isn't still on my mind.. SOme songs you hear you just say that's cool but years later you aren't still listening ot them.. Basically me with any of the new boots and oh my god since 1999,,

That was some years ago.

Hopefully, things may have changed since then...  :yes:

Lets not forget that he badmouthed Izzy on several occasions on the UYI world tour, and then invited him back (albeit temporarily) when Gilby broke his wrist.

I would like to think that Axl is capable of forgiving and forgetting, it is not healthy to hold grudges and I would hope that is something Axl has learned from experience.

what about the ex-members, its not like there not out n' about speakin' shit about Axl either ya know!!

you could say that (although I dont think theyve 'talked shit', rather stated there side of the story) although I havent heard them say anything totally ruling out a reunion or reconciliation. Certainly they havent used analogies pertaining to being held prisoner.

Sure, theyve sounded doubtful, but I imagine theyd consider it and be willing to move on. Infact, I cant recall hearing any bitterness when you hear past members (excluding Axl) talk about GNR

listen

to what?

....and badmouthed him yet again as soon as he was out the door  :hihi:

That was a decade+ ago.  things must have changed since then...


Experience tells you never again to waste your fucking time a sec with those who fucked you up once.
At twice it's your fault, that they take advantage of you........ as in Spanish sayings.

That's not a grudge. Far from it! It's wisdom that is always better than silver or gold (/money). : ok:

Axl's dream of "being GN'R" wasn't a dream : it was a utopia.

Some people here definitely lost the sense of reality. :P

Axl bought the name, all right. But that does not mean he is able to make GN'R without Slash and Izzy.

Yes, it's 2005. Not 1987.

Those five guys aren't what they were in 1987. So your reunion wouldn't be the same. You'll never have another Ritz 1988 no matter how much you wish for it.




/jarmo

I know it wouldn't the same than in 1988 ! EVEN IF GN'R HAD NOT SPLIT, IT WOULD NOT BE THE SAME !

1965' Rolling Stones aren't the same than 2005 Rolling Stones either. But nobody calls them the New Rolling Stones, OK ? And nugnr ain't coming through the door either no matter how much you wish it.

If the people supporting nugnr on this forum were true Axl's fans, wouldn't have they realized since a long time that the new band doesn't work, and what happened in 2002 would happen again if nugnr started a tour or released an album ?
It would be such a ridiculous flop that it would probably mean the end of Axl's career as a singer.

I'm a GN'R fan since 1990 and I thought the people who are supporting nugnr were Axl's fans. I don't see it like that anymore... These guys must be Stinson's or Finck's fans ! Because they would drive Axl to a total failure if he listened to them.
That's why I feel as a greater Axl's fan than many people who are constantly posting "Axl I love you" and despising a reunion.

Nevertheless, a reunion is the ONLY way (if you think that an album would bring more people to the concerts, you are fooling yourself) to bring Guns N'Roses back to life. People would attend the concerts and a new album with Slash, Duff and Izzy would not only be welcome by everybody, it would be a great EVENT. Except if you are a Stinson's or Finck's fan, of course. Some people here should grow up, and be realistic.





PS : Remember that Duff said (not a long time ago) that if Axl called him, he would always be there for him 'cause Axl will always be his brother.

That really helps your argument. It was touch and go until you added that part, but now you have a rock-solid foundation from which to promote your views. Oh, wait . . . .

nugnr is like thinking you can go walking to the moon just because you've got brand new moon-boots. :yes:

Buying the name and hiring 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 or 8 or 1364 musicians ain't enough...

Nothing could possibly be "enough" to satisfy those pining for the old band. If you're determined that no line-up other than the AFD or Illusions albums GNR is worthy of the name then nothing else could possibly satiate you. So, since we've established that, why not give the hyperbole a rest? We understand your stance on the subject, it's very clear. You don't need to post it in every reply you make to every thread, really. Your opinion is as valid as anyone else's, and equally invalid, so just chill. 

I've never said that the AFD or Illusions were the only line-up worthy. I'm saying that Slash has to be in Guns N'Roses if Axl wants bring this to life !

Thank you very much indeed for giving me the right to express myself. Just like you are doing. So just chill.

I think nu-GNR after 5 years in the shadows need to 'step up' deliver top notch songs via CD, play some great gigs around the world and win people over one-by-one before these whisperings will go away. Chastising people for wanting the old band back is unfair when you compare the quality and quantity of the output from each entity. Legendary stamp on music history versus nothing is a no brainer really.
peace,
Intercourse.

I think you slightly missed my point, so I'll simplify; Posting the same thing over and over is really boring. Really, really boring. Really, really, really boring. Please try not to say the same thing in every post you make in every thread, because it's really boring. Really, really boring. Really, really, really boring.


Oh, and Slash has a new band now. The best way to show your support for him would be to support his current efforts. I'm sure he'd appreciate that.

I wasn't chastising anyone for wanting the old band back, I think it's a valid (if completely illusory) desire, even if I don't share it.

I've been reading pretty funny things through the time : "Chin Dem will be the best record ever", "Axl's the best", "Chin Dem will be great", "Axl is GN'R", "Chin Dem is coming out in November", "Finck is better than Slash", "Chin Dem is coming in March", "Axl sings better than ever", "Oh My God is such a great song", "Chin Dem is coming out in October", "Axl's the best", "Chin Dem will be great", "nugnr is better than GN'R", "Axl's the best", "Reunion sucks", "Axl's the best", "Chin Dem is coming out in November", "Finck is better than Slash".

But I'm sure you don't share these very very very exciting opinions, do you HK-47 ? :rofl:

I agree HK, it probably won't happen. I often wonder though if Axl, re-joined the world again, got CD out of his system, got married, had a couple of kids, i.e  got other more important and fundamental  things to focus his energies on to give him a sense of balance...then maybe then you might see dialogue at least.....the anger has to fade at some stage. I always thought Madagascar was alluding to that growing feeling of forgiveness in Axl, still the song is laced with accusations that he has been 'brought down' by them so I suppose we are a long way from the bright end of the tunnel yet...i.e what you're saying is correct!!
peace,
Intercourse.

nugnr "probably" won't happen either :rofl:

I would hope that a little success with the new band would be the impetus for Axl to allow himself some breathing room, and get some distance from the break-up of the old band. If that were the case, I'd expect him to mellow out a little. But we don't really know what went on between all of those guys, or what Axl's innermost thoughts on the issue are. It would just be nice to get to a stage where he and the other previous GNR members can lay the rivalry/animosity to rest and get on with their post-GNR careers - perhaps then the fan rivalries would cool down a touch too.

Pepe, I strongly suggest you to cut down on the troublemaking and the constant fun-poking, because that's obviously what you enjoy the most.
If you are unable to comply, I've got a little Delete button that's very handy.

I'll excuse your pidgin english and take that point-to-point;
I believe that CD will be a listenable record.
I believe that Axl is a great vocalist.
I believe that Axl is currently the sole surviving member of GNR.
I believe that CD is coming out if/when it's finished.
I believe that Finck is a pretty decent guitar player - and that's an opinion based on more than just his few shows will GNR.
I believe that Axl's voice is clearer than ever and that his range has increased considerably, though I'd expect it to head back to raspville if he went on tour for a couple of years, as he did after Illusion. ?
I believe that the new GNR line-up is very talented, and as I was a fan of most of these guys before they joined the band I am clearly biased.
I believe that Slash and Finck are two different guitarists with different styles, both of whom I've enjoyed over the years, though I find Slash to be a little predictable these days.

I think that answers all of your questions.

Very very very interesting.

You believe too much.

There's no logic behind your opinions because you are a believer.

An irrational guy, that's what you are. :-*

As you excused my bad english, I will excuse your stupidity.
 

Hahaha! That's just great, really. Of all the things you could have said, that was the most psychotic. If you want to define rationality, I'd be very interested to read it.  : ok:

I agree with a bunch of what you say... They are all definetly talented, axl should sound great his voice is well, well rested.

I still am unsure if axl will come back and tour for years or if this album will ever hit.. That's just more of how it's been though..

My friend, I must bring our little discussion to a close. As much fun as it has been, I don't think we're quite functioning on the same level. Perhaps it's just a failure to communicate, or perhaps there's a disparity in our comparitive abilities to deal with reality. Either way, I don't think we're going to achieve much by continuing. Good day.  ;)

 .......they'd be welcomed with open arms ::)

Get real people/ Axls not just gonna let Slash, Duff......etc come back. :smoking:

what do you mean "let" them come back? Its not like they're banging Axl's door down to rejoin. They dont fucking wanna be there! They left because they didnt wanna be a part of Axl's new vision. Im fucking glad too.  I would be embarassed seeing Slash play riffs like the ones in OMG or IRS or any of these songs, except for the fact he could make the blues sound incredible. They knew what they were doing when they left and I doubt they regret it, they probably just regret not being as legally savvy as Axl concering the name

First of all ,the reunion has a minimal(near to 0%) chance to happen. Many people think that what they want is a GNR reunion would be the best thing to happen; however I not agree with that. If it happens, there would be a reunion-nostalgic tour playing the AFD-UYI catalog, that's all. Remember that the second thing why GNR disbanded was because musical differences, that's why they wouldn't agree to play their new songs. Also, axl's voice is not the same. That's a fact. In some of the old songs he still sounds good with the vibe of the song but in the others he doesn't. He sounds better in his new songs(his new voice-style.) Besides if they would solve those things I woudn't ke him to sing mediocre tunes from a mediocre album. You know what I want is new tunes, what I'm here for is music. GNR's music always appeal to me. Axl's new songs are good(I would never give them a 10 or 9, but stil they would receive a good score in my book.)? :peace:
Goin' back to the thread if amember would come back, I would like to be Mr. Izzy

P.S.
If you think that I'm an Axl boy, you're wrong, because I prefer "Aint Life Grand" over "Contraband" any day.

Essential things are never repeated enough.

Essential things speak for themselves.
I believe it was actually  "the lie" which can never be repeated enough, Goebbles' Nazi propaganda strategy? 

"Essential things are never repeated enough" is a sentence from a Jacques Lacan's book.
I didn't know he was a nazi. :nervous:
Thanx for the hint... : ok:



LET'S BURN ALL HIS BOOKS !!!! :rofl:

Nah, let's burn all his readers. And him.

Nah, let's burn all his readers. And him.

What was that, Mr Bin Laden ?



If one of the ex-members wanted to come back in GN'R that would be GREAT.

Period.

 :'( So hurtful. Of course, Bin Laden is famous for burning books. Also for being a big GNR fan. So all of this is incredibly relevant to the thread. 

YEAH! if
SLASH
DUFF
IZZY
AXL
STEAVEN
get together again they will posibly organise a GNR WORLD TOUR
something like BACK FROM HELL.and then I would become ALCOHOLIC 

So Bin Laden is a big GNR fan? I wonder what song he was listening to when the towers fell?

I would have to say Izzy. Axl and Izzy at one time had an amazing chemistry between them. And that relationship may still remain even today(..atleast I'd hope it is :)). But I think Izzy would make a heck of an impact teamed up with Axl once again. :yes: : ok: