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Title: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: tHeElEcTrIcSiNtAr on May 05, 2005, 08:34:23 PM
Axl decided not to even get a new lead guitarist and stuck with Fortus and Finck and brought Paul Huge back to play rythym(damn I can never spell this word right) guitar. I just realized that Fortus does the end solo on The Blues and I think that both him and Finck are perfectly capable of handling the leads by themselves.

Whatcha think?


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Title: Re: What would u think if...
Post by: jameslofton29 on May 05, 2005, 08:38:28 PM
At this point, I dont think it really matters anymore. Everyone just wants CD. Axl could hire Pee Wee Herman and I would be happy with the decision. As long as it takes us a step closer to CD.


Title: Re: What would u think if...
Post by: StoneTempleRoses on May 05, 2005, 08:39:04 PM
I dont think Robin could do the really fast stuff mabey, like the end of November Rain and Paradise City, if they did it would sound more like Slash I think becouse bucket did it super fast, It would be cool with just Finck n Fortus though  : ok:

StoneTempleRoses


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: jimmythegent on May 05, 2005, 09:07:08 PM
It really does come down to what style of guitar Bucket recorded and if in fact his parts are left on CD.

I think Fortus and Finck could handle most of the guitar duties quite nicely although I think Finck would struggle with some leads - I could be wrong there though. Fortus is an unknown quantity in some regards, I am yet to hear much of his lead playing but I am sure he is a competent player.

As for Paul Huge? I think it best he remains part of GN'Rs history (an unsavoury part at that).


Title: Re: What would u think if...
Post by: killingvector on May 05, 2005, 09:09:12 PM
I dont think Robin could do the really fast stuff mabey, like the end of November Rain and Paradise City, if they did it would sound more like Slash I think becouse bucket did it super fast, It would be cool with just Finck n Fortus though  : ok:

StoneTempleRoses

Bucket's NR solo more resembled the Slash original than either Finck or Fortus; in fact, whoever had the second solo had some serious fingering problems, absolutely horrible. Plus who could forget Bucket's incredible Nightrain outro.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: AxlsMainMan on May 05, 2005, 10:56:23 PM
It really does come down to what style of guitar Bucket recorded and if in fact his parts are left on CD.

I think Fortus and Finck could handle most of the guitar duties quite nicely although I think Finck would struggle with some leads - I could be wrong there though. Fortus is an unknown quantity in some regards, I am yet to hear much of his lead playing but I am sure he is a competent player.

As for Paul Huge? I think it best he remains part of GN'Rs history (an unsavoury part at that).

I entirely agree. Tommy has said they are not searching for a replacement so that to me must mean Axl is as well as the rest of the band are in agreeance to move ahead using just Finck and Fortus, which of course will mean more rehearsals down the road. Paul Huge would probably be the last person Id like to see back with GnR if a 3rd guitarist were sought out, he never amazed me as a rhythm guitarist by any stretch of the imagination and from the old interviews partaining to Slash and Matt, he comes across as sounding like an ass.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: ClintroN on May 05, 2005, 11:32:12 PM
Tobias couldnt handle it, he's pretty laim too!!


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on May 05, 2005, 11:55:48 PM
Paul gets a bad rap, all you guys that bash him do know he played guitar on SFTD right? And the funny thing is none of  you even noticed nor bashed his guitar playing on that song.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: Mikkamakka on May 06, 2005, 03:09:18 AM
Paul gets a bad rap, all you guys that bash him do know he played guitar on SFTD right? And the funny thing is none of? you even noticed nor bashed his guitar playing on that song.

I did.  ;)


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: willow on May 06, 2005, 06:04:48 AM
Remember Dave, most of the people that bash Paul have only seen him on a bad recording at Rio. I saw Paul at the Joint both shows. I'm guessing you have seen him too. I thought he was good, not great, but I don't think a rthym (I can't spell it either) :rofl: needs to be great. I think the important thing is Axl and the others seemed really comfortable with him up on that stage. Not that I think he is coming back. I would like that, but it sounded pretty clear that he wasn't interested in the gig, Maybe things have changed by now.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: nesquick on May 06, 2005, 08:24:17 AM
No need a 3rd guitarist.
The duet Finck-Fortus is perfect. 50-50 of the guitar playing each other. There is a great chemistry between these 2 guys. If I were Axl that's what I would do.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: W. Botaxl Rose on May 06, 2005, 08:40:58 AM
All these years & GnR is stuck with a guitar tandem of dick fortus & finck. No wonder this is taking soooooooooo long.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: michaelvincent on May 06, 2005, 11:15:07 AM
Quote
but I don't think a rthym (I can't spell it either) needs to be grea

Technically, maybe not great. But they better have a great feel and know just how to dance with the lead guitarist or its going to sound like shit. Izzy Stradlin' or Keith Richards are certainly not on a technical level of Buckethead or Steve Vai, but their feel for rhythm is amazing and it gives the music the push and pull it needs to sound alive. Paul Huge never stood out as much more than a really mediocre guitarist, no real feel for what makes a great rhythm player that I could hear. Anyone can be a rhythm guitarist, but not everyone can be a great rhythm guitarist.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: Chandler on May 06, 2005, 11:25:28 AM
Pauls solo at Rio on Rocket Queen was god awful!


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: HK-47 on May 07, 2005, 04:21:25 AM
I think Axl is probably willing to listen to any and every guitar player's demo tape that he can get hold of right now. If BH's parts stay on the album there's going to be a massive drop in the musical "wow" factor when/if they play live - Maybe I'm a coward, but I'd be looking to fill that BH sized gap with something equally impressive, and neither Finck nor Fortus (and especially not, with all due respect, Paul Tobias) are up to that task. 


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: HK-47 on May 07, 2005, 04:33:33 AM
Actually, Axl should bring Zakk Wylde onboard for the first tour. Not because he's a good replacement for BH, simply for the entertainment value when Axl and Zakk's personalities clash after three months on tour.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: usurper on May 07, 2005, 05:10:31 AM
Pauls solo at Rio on Rocket Queen was god awful!

I don't think so, I think Robin can do much worse!


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: ClintroN on May 07, 2005, 05:51:32 AM
I don't think so, I think Robin can do much worse!

thats a filthy lie n' you know it !!!


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: conny on May 07, 2005, 06:24:08 AM
Actually, Axl should bring Zakk Wylde onboard for the first tour. Not because he's a good replacement for BH, simply for the entertainment value when Axl and Zakk's personalities clash after three months on tour.

Those personalities gonna clash after three SONGS already!  :hihi:


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: willow on May 07, 2005, 07:25:03 AM
Zak is a great guy! But you can't put him on stage with new gnr. And the guy is to busy anyway!


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: Litti10 on May 07, 2005, 10:51:40 AM
Why did Paul Huge quit anyway?? :smoking:


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: usurper on May 07, 2005, 02:21:02 PM
I don't think so, I think Robin can do much worse!

thats a filthy lie n' you know it !!!

It's the dang truth I tells ya


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: usurper on May 07, 2005, 02:22:39 PM
Why did Paul Huge quit anyway?? :smoking:

Didn't like touring and playing in front of massive crowds.......


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: usurper on May 11, 2005, 09:10:17 AM
Even though he quit (damn shame) we did get one good thing out it (Fortus)
I prefer Tobias though

(http://www.gnrfrance.net/GNR/Photos/Concerts/Belgique-08-02/retouche-axl+richard.jpg)


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: mike_giuliana on May 11, 2005, 09:11:44 AM
maybe huge is like izzy, likes to play just doesn't want to have to deal with the fame that goes with it..


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: usurper on May 11, 2005, 09:12:37 AM
maybe huge is like izzy, likes to play just doesn't want to have to deal with the fame that goes with it..

You got it there.....


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: jimmythegent on May 12, 2005, 01:13:43 AM
Paul gets a bad rap, all you guys that bash him do know he played guitar on SFTD right? And the funny thing is none of? you even noticed nor bashed his guitar playing on that song.


Ive commented on his playing on that song (or his 'answer-style' leads to Slash (to which he had no knowledge) many times.

Perhaps you should put that particular bit of GN'R history in context Dave as it was a major bone of contention in the scheme of things. Slash was unaware of those parts being put on SFTD. Someone like Huge doesn't  just waltz in to a GN'R recording session and fuck with Slash's parts. That was ultimately probably Axls fault, but Huge should have known better and shown some respect for the great man IMO.

Again, not entirely Huges fault, but still a major insult to Slash and seemingly one of the straws that broke the camels back so to speak.

Apart from that, the playing and concept behind those 'answer' chops is fairly dreadful stuff sonically as well.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: elevendayempire on May 12, 2005, 05:35:23 PM
Um, I actually quite liked the "answer" chops...

SG


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: jimmythegent on May 12, 2005, 08:28:28 PM
Um, I actually quite liked the "answer" chops...

SG

to each their own  ;)


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: HK-47 on May 13, 2005, 04:11:48 AM
Paul gets a bad rap, all you guys that bash him do know he played guitar on SFTD right? And the funny thing is none of? you even noticed nor bashed his guitar playing on that song.


Ive commented on his playing on that song (or his 'answer-style' leads to Slash (to which he had no knowledge) many times.

Actually, if someone can dig up the article in which Slash talked about that track pissing him off, I think you'll find that Tobias inserted the 'call' parts and Slash's parts were made to be the 'return' parts. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: jimmythegent on May 24, 2005, 03:17:01 AM
Paul gets a bad rap, all you guys that bash him do know he played guitar on SFTD right? And the funny thing is none of? you even noticed nor bashed his guitar playing on that song.


Ive commented on his playing on that song (or his 'answer-style' leads to Slash (to which he had no knowledge) many times.

Actually, if someone can dig up the article in which Slash talked about that track pissing him off, I think you'll find that Tobias inserted the 'call' parts and Slash's parts were made to be the 'return' parts. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

im pretty sure that isn't the case dude


Title: Re: What if GN'R stuck with Finck & Fortus and brought back Tobias?
Post by: Butch Français on May 24, 2005, 07:56:06 PM
one thing is for sure, if Bucketheads parts stay on the album, they either have to change the solos live (which will suck a bit) or hire a shredder who can play it.
either Robin or Richard can play as fast as Bucket