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Back in the early 90s, there were two musical groups that both claimed to be the most dangerous group in the world.  In one corner, there was Guns N' Roses, five low-life sleaze rockers from Hollywood.  In the other, there was Niggaz With Attitude, a bunch of aggressive gangsta rappers from Compton.  Each was widely seen as the baddest boys in their respective musical genre, but which one do you guys think was really the most dangerous band in the world at the time?

Guns N' Roses made their fame based on being dangerous, but I've recently been thinking about NWA and thinking that they were maybe a bit more so.  GN'R were the baddest rockers in the biz, but their image was still based out of a commercial sense of bad-boy rockers that had gone before - the Rolling Stones, Aerosmith, etc.  NWA, however, made their sense of danger known through music that was even more shocking to mainstream America than GN'R's, and they had an even greater sense of anger against the establishment, since it was tinged with anger against the racist attitudes that white America had been based on.

So I don't know, who do you guys think was really the most dangerous group in the world back in the 90s - Guns N' Roses or Niggaz with Attitude?

Well considering that N.W.A. sucked after Cube left in 89 I'd say this is no contest, the most dangerous band of the early 90's was the Pet Shop Boys ;)

well... I've never heard of NWA, so I guess GNR  ::)

I thought it was take that :puke:

the most dangerous band,without competition is guns n roses

NWA was shit. They were a band that was practically begging for controversy. Their groveling for fame gave us Fuck Tha Police. GNR never had to beg for controversy. The Get in the Ring tour that preceded the Illusions release set in stone the fact that GNR was the most dangerous band in the world. During that tour you never knew what was going to happen. You can't fake that kind of energy. I never understood Axl's fascination with NWA. He almost picked them to open the tour instead of Skid Row. Thank God someone talked him out of it.

Wooody, are you serious? ?You've got some listening to do. ?NWA was very real, very raw. ?In my opinion, NWA and Public Enemy were tops when it came to dangerous...yes, more dangerous than GNR. ?

Straight Outta Compton and Fuck the Police are classics by NWA. ?Public Enemy's songs also qualify as more dangerous than GNR. ?By the Time I get to Arizona (a song that pretty openly talked about assassinating the then-governor of Arizona for not endorsing the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday), Burn Hollywood Burn, 911 is a Joke, etc. were all socially relevant and intelligently written songs that actually had socially-conscious messages.

Also, Axl obviously respected these 2 groups as he wore NWA and P.E. gear back in the day. :) ? ?

P.S. ?Listen to some of these bands' music...it will make you realize just how terrible the current music scene really is...it's not just the rock world that's hurting. ?:(

GNR was real.

In rap, NWA was the real deal. I think though they tried too hard to be controversial. Put out a song like Fuck the Police, you are guaranteed to be considered a dangerous group.

I think GNR wins the category because they did not delibirately try, it was about who they were.

IMHO it has to be NWA. Tose guys carried guns with them , were gang members and hung out on the streets of compton.

GNR , IMHO , alot of their bad boys of rock was something they tried hard to "be" , an image if you will. Then as they became hardcore drug addicts the image started becoming more real.

But when you say "dangerous" , I would rather meet 85-93 era GNR in a dark alley then the members of N.W.A , easily.

They weren't a band. They did not play any instruments except the instument of death. NWA were dodging bullets in the lowest part of L.A. I'd say they were a little more dangerous.

Body Count featuring Ice T was a pretty lethal outfit, their single "Cop Killer" was probably the most controversial  song of that era hands down..

I don't think of black dudes with guns as being dangerous. I call that being pussies! When Axl had to get down to business, he could do his talking with fists. He didn't have to stick a gun in someone's face to get his point across.

Its gonna be a bit one sided on a GN'R board I am gonna go with GNR!

Nah , of course not. Nothing dangerous about having a gun p[ointed at your head.  ::) Nothing dangerous about losing teeth courtesy of eazy e's louisville slugger either.  :hihi:

I really don't remember any instances of Axl "talking with his fists".

He sure didn't want to "talk" to Vince Neil...

Sorry, I couldn't resist. :yes:

So Saul, according to your analogy, Pee Wee Herman would be considered dangerous since he could possibly have a gun pointed to your head.

I don't care who you are, i'd consider you dangerous if you were pointing a gun to my head.

I hate gangbangers. Hitler put the wrong people in the ovens LOL!!

That's fucking disgusting dude.

It was a joke.

A bad one.

One small step closer to banning for jameslofton.... Think about it next time you want to "joke".




/jarmo

I love GnR and all, but there really isn't anything all that dangerous about a group of almost homeless alocholics with drug problems. The music was awesome but the lifestyle...not so dangerous.

Growing up in the middle of gang violence, drug dealers, guns and the fact that you might get shot going to get your mail or going to the store...thats a little more dangerous than throwing up in an alley on Sunset Strip. ?:hihi:

Apparently GNR fans have lost what little sense of humor they once had. A "fake hack" is funny, yet a small dig at gangbangers isn't? Twisted.

You don't even fucking get it dude.

Pathethic.

its called taking it too far and that was way over the line

I really don't remember any instances of Axl "talking with his fists".





Do the names Erin Everly & Stephanie Seymour ring a bell?

I'll admit it was in bad taste. But come on!! You guys don't have to take it so seriously!

Oh ya, forgot about that.

thats a seriously fucked up thing to say

Cube?  Bah!

Eazy was "the man" in NWA as far as I'm concerned.

Good call.  Axl is a lot like Tommy Lee in that his status as a true "tough guy" is somewhat compromised when you consider that his most high-profile fights have been with women.

For what it's worth I thought it was funny.

Yes, in bad taste, but funny nonetheless.

Don't worry about a lot of those who are chastizing you. ?Many of them say some of the most ridiculous, messed-up stuff and than turn around and suddenly have a moral streak running through 'em.

*cough* BS *cough* ?:P

Neither. The World's Most Dangerous Band was Paul Schaffer and whoever else he had when Letterman did Late Night on NBC. NBC even holds the copyright to this name, which is why after Letterman when to CBS, they became "Paul Schaffer and the CBS Orchestra"

exactly bro. I dont care who it is , if they have a loaded gun pressed against my temple I'm gunna consider then very very dangerous. and the thing is , the members of NWA , especially Mc Ren and Eazy E didnt carry guns "for show" .. they could and would pull the trigger.

But let's not forget , steve adler hit a guy with his cast once.  :peace:

Izzy punched Vince Neils wife. ( then again , vince laid izzy out afterwards)

I think the most "dangerous" thing about GNR was that if you left them alone they would probably steal shit from your house , jacket , car and/or run up a whack of bills on you while your back was turned.

Enough already with people saying shit like Take That and the Paul Schaffer Band were the most dangerous groups in the world.  The joke is done, Done, DONE already.  I thought once was enough.  The question asked simply, which was the most dangerous group in the world between Guns N' Roses and NWA?  ::)

And after thinking about it, I think that even though I dig the music and image of GN'R more, NWA were much more realistically "dangerous".  Saul hit the nail on the head with his example.  While both groups were into low-rent theft and criminal acts, NWA were more likely to carry guns and use excessive force.  And I think that the group provided a far more oppositional message to mainstream America, almost militant in its decrying of the shit they suffered under racist institutions.  Sure, the guys in both groups had it rough.  But I think that members of NWA came out of a far more dangerous environment (Compton).

Personally, i had a huge rap phase at 14 years old, i'd listen a lot to NWA and Public ennemy, and to De la Soul and god knows what, i was into the Africaaan Moombasa combat for " freedom" and all that crap ?

16 years on, i think this was all very pathetic and that some of these men were nutcases and i am happy i have grown out of it.
There is still De la Soul i listen to and a few others, but i really can't agree with the images portrayed by rap in the last 20 years.

G'N'R weren't " dangerous" as such, but they were raw and sexy, they spoke of hurt and of love, easily identified myself to the music.

I'll tell you what, NWAwere probably REALLY dangerous, dangerous because people identify to the music and i wouldn't want my kids to identify to people whose slogan is " fuck the police". I didn"t identify with it when i was 14 and don't now i am 30. I can't identify to being black either because i have red hair blue/green eyes and pale skin, i can't identify coming from a ghetto or if i did, it would be comfy white ghetto.

But 16 years down the road, rap created more dealers than ever, proud little kids wanting to wear branded clothes, drives ferraris and else. There has never been so much men disprespecting women and calling them hoes or whores. There has never been so many problems.

Yeah, this is MY version of danger, using music, drugs and money to sell crap that will fuck with young people's minds.

 :rant:

NWA was definitely the more dangerous group. The shit they talked about & lived through most people didn't even want to think about. I also think they had a way more dangerous influence on America's youth at the time by kind of glorifying the gangbanger lifestyle & don't think some dumb suburban white kids didn't take it seriously too. NWA actually changed our culture. That can be a very dangerous thing.

Im not from the U.S, so maybe that explains it. But I don't like rap.. so it doesnt matter anyway, I won't check them out.

GN'R were more danjurus. i say dat afta the 1991 St. Louis insidunt and all the lawsuits he had against him 4 dat. Also, he battrd his neighbuz uzing alcohol bottlez. N.W.A. had 2 thretun ppl wid gunz? pussi'z. i hurd NWA on da radio resuntly, and fuk da police is a crap song.

SPEAK ENGLISH   >:( it's annoying.

That's VERY open hearted of you, considering over half of this board is NOT english and speaks the language as well as they CAN!

What other language do YOU speak , mister " perfect"?

Just so we know when to be annoyed at you.

Yeah Jesse you're right. but if my memory saves me right wooody is a froggy and sakib is a damn Londoner.

So I guess sakib could do better. He doesn't annoy me at all tho.

But Sakib, with a name like sakib ( no offense sak) is not english rooted. And i hate to be french because most are ever so rude !!!

N.W.A as people were prolly more dangerous but as a musical group Guns N' Roses i think. I mean the rioting in the streets, 2 people dying at Donnington...ya can't get more dangerous than that.

I'm bilingual, moi je parle fran?ais y hablo espa?ol perfectly.

My mother tongue is not english, that's why I'm asking a native english speaker to speak proper english, because I can't understand a f$cking sentence.? >:(

one of the rules on this board is to speak english, and? I don't consider that post to be english.

And you my friend, have a big ego and cannot smell the world only from your own nostrils...how about trying tolerance ?

Yeah, wooody, great you're actually trilingual.
Then you could suggest that to him a bit nicer if you would. I reckon. 
Like Sakib could use the spell check.

lady, as far as I know most of french ppl are not rude. maybe some of them are,  the same as anywhere else.
I love french culture, food, and my froggy friends. :love:

On Topic:(not really)
Rap bands have a fatal defect to be global n eternal. The same is the case with stand-up comedies.
It's lingo. For example a rap fan in Ecuador would prefer their rap in Spanish.  And I guess Cool talk in 1995 won't sound so cool to the most of ppl in 2015. It will make good reference material for studies of the times.

Sakib is a legend

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

IF the rules of the board said SPEAK WHATEVER YOU LIKE .. then fine. But that's not the case.

And I'm not french.
 >:(

My bad. I don't know why but I thought so. :P

There's no spell check integrated into the post reply options.

Or is there? ???

Really? Oh no There isn't any more. :o

Back to da topic,
I'm not impressed with the slogans like "the most dangerous" or "bad" for professional musicians.

I hear there is terrorists rap band trying to brainwash kids into terrorism. This must be a dangerous band.
I read about the record that broke glasses when it was played. That?s because it befell to pick up sound of a peculiar frequency band. This band is dangerous.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v402/Vampire80/da.jpg) Nuff said.

He did post in English, jesus guys if you can't understand his post to bad at least it's not written in pimp.

In fact it's very easy to understand:

Gn'R were more dangerous. I say that after the 1991 St. Louis incident and all the lawsuits he had against him.
Also he battered his neighbours using alcohol bottles. N.W.A had to threaten people with guns? Pussies. I heard NWA? on the radio recently, and Fuck The Police is a crap song.

:smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

You know i'm gonna call on you to clarify posts which i'm too lazy to decipher now, eh *Izzy*? : ok:

No problem I can decipher any message, writen in English

 :smoking: Izzy :smoking:

Honestly I wasnt there when N.W.A. where in the mainstream neither with GNR... but I consider that fuckin fame of bad attitude is crap...  and it only works for GNR.

I don't even think you can compare the two groups.  They each posed a different kind of danger.  NWA coming straight outta Compton, they grew up w/gangbangers, drug dealers, the possibility of being shot dead if for no other reason than for looking at somebody wrong.  GNR on the other hand incited violence, (i.e. riots), were heavy into the drug scene, etc etc.  At the end of the day though I would feel safer hanging out with GNR than NWA.

GUYZ! I AINT A LONDONER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 2ND, I CAN RYT ENGLISH CORECT BUT 2 SAYV TYM, I MAKE IT SHORT AS POSSIB. btw, roots=Pakistani

Ok, you want to save time. But don't complain when people just skip your posts because they're actually harder to read than "normal" English.


Now, back on topic.



/jarmo

GNR  : ok:

Reading this thread I've noticed that NWA seem to carry an expectation of "dangerousness" simply because they're a bunch of black guys from compton, as if that in itself is enough to prove the point - which smacks of racism.

But to take the silly topic seriously for a moment; I'd have to base my answer on how quickly and easily these alledgedly "dangerous" bands were tamed. In fact, let's fast-forward and look at a few of the members today: Ice Cube of NWA is now a minor moviestar, generally appearing in very broad comedies aimed predominently at his own ethnic group. Dre is a well-respected, highly successful producer responsible for acts like Eminem, D12, 50 Cent and a few other arguably tame pop acts.
In the other corner, we'll look at Axl and Slash. Slash now "masterminds" a rock band not entirely dissimilar from all the other bands he's been involved in over the years. They've had a few little successes in the charts and have landed a replacement spot at ozzfest. Their album was also voted one of the five worst of 2004. Axl does. . . something, we're not sure what, we'll find out when he releases chinese democracy. In the mean time, we can only speculate that he's still working on the album, out of his own pocket, and oweing his label $13 million.
So, in short, Ice Cube and Dre are mainstream icons in their chosen industries with Hollywood and the music industry, respectively, willing to gamble huge amounts of money on them. Slash and Axl are, to varying extents, cultural curios and much derided figures, neither of whom poses much of a threat to anyone right now (with the exception of Universal's Chief Financial Officer). So, placed in proper context, we can say that neither band was able to live up to the name of "most dangerous", but then again, who else has?    All I know is this, I'd feel safer loaning Dre or Ice Cube a million bucks than betting $10 on GNR/VR being a force to be reckoned with any time soon. 

It's not a joke, that was the band's name "The World's Most Dangerous Band".

Umm , no. Not in my case anyways. I think they were more dangerous cause they used to beat people up. carry guns and shoot at people. Not to mention walking in record offices with baseball bats and demanding money for studio costs etc etc. Eazy E was selling crack cocaine out of the back of his truck along with NWA records. I dont care if they were white guys from inglewood , the fact that they carried guns and baseball bats and USED them made them dangerous.

Not in your case then, congratulations.
I think that someone inciting thousands of people to riot ranks higher on my 'danger' scale than a few guys with bats and guns, but neither of those examples has much to do with being a band and everything to do with being pretentious assclowns/gangbangers. As I said previously, it's a silly topic. Most dangerous band in the world? Military marching band of the Nazi party. That's my vote.

Lil Gnr. Thats my vote!   : ok:

They weren't as different as you make it out.  After all, both GN'R and NWA originated in Los Angeles.  They both were involved in drug dealing (I know Slash and Duff dealt drugs, and Steven at least once gave a guy oral sex in exchange for crack).  Both bands were involved in violence, although GN'R probably got into more street brawls, whereas NWA lived in an environment in which guns were very commonplace.  The only big difference between the two groups' environments is that in Compton, gun violence was more widespread.

To people who say that neo-Nazi groups are more dangerous - yeah, of course you're right.  But we're not talking about any violent wacko on the planet who just happens to play music in his downtime.  We're talking about two of the most popular musical groups in America in the late 80s/early 90s, both of which were marketed as being the most dangerous group around.  I saw a lot of parallels between Guns N' Roses and Niggaz With Attitude, so I thought it would be interesting to compare them.  Sue me.

And please don't use this thread to get into long personal arguments about who speaks English or not.

nwa

So, you mean, in short, this thread is only for who lived in America during that Era?

Whatever, as I said before neither of them were the REAL most dangerous. My vote still goes to take that.
A good quarter of girls in my class looked as if they were brain damaged by them.

I thought it was a very interesting and original thread topic! Fuck the haters! hats off to you.  : ok:

how did easy e get AIDS? it is relatively difficult for a man to contract HIV from a woman unless of course he has sores in his mouth or on his manhood. Did easy share needles? was he into drugs like that?

What does that have to do with GN'R?  :no:



/jarmo

how does that not have to do with the topic? we are discussing what is most dangerous about each band, it was stated before that the drug culture and drug scene is dangerous. he was asking about easy's drug use? keep up with the conversation!

Who's more dangerous is one thing, how one of the band members got AIDS is another.

How does the way he got AIDS make them more/less dangerous?

I thought the question was about which band were more dangerous as a whole. I'm sure a gang of four guys with automatic assault rifles are more dangerous than five guys with cans of hairspray.

But was that the real question?

NWA never had an army of security when they played Colombia. NWA never had the influence on young people world wide that GN'R had. GN'R "fans" were still rioting in 2002.




/jarmo

If a man in NWA with AIDS bit me, Id say they were more dangerous than GNR.   :hihi: :hihi:

once i again i will mention that his question about aids pertained to whether he may have gotten the virus through drug use. it was stated before that drug use/drug culture is "dangerous". its fun repeating myself.

Id have to say NWA. With Appetite, GnR's image wasnt anything new or fresh, far from it. It combined multiple images from rock acts of that time period. Look at Adler and Duff, the long haired blondies, Slash the Joe Perry/blues rock n roll icon, Izzy who was the reflection of Keith Richards, and Axl who was the centre piece of the band with the Robert Plant-ish voice and mysterious aura to go along with it. To me there is nothing "scary" or "dangerous" to the Illusion lineup at all, I mean what is there to fear? Teddy Zig Zag knifing you? :hihi:

I still say NWA is more dangerous cause if you took GNR(and I love GNR more than anything), they wouldn't last a day on the mean streets of compton, whereas NWA knew it, lived it, and survived it.  and yes I know Eazy died of AIDS but he got it from being sexually promiscuis, not drugs.

More dangerous to society or themselves? NWA was more dangerous to society as a whole, but GNR was a danger whereever they were at the time.

You can keep repeating yourself all you want but you didn't answer my question.

I don't know if you remember, but GN'R had some drug problems themselves.


Maybe you want to know who's more dangerous to just the people around them, instead of which band were more dangerous in regards to the impact on the general public they made....



/jarmo

I think sharing needles and/or sharing the bed with alot of women without protection is a very dangerous lifestyle; hence, the question behind the source of easy e's HIV infection.

But didn't you just say
                                   

 ???

Sure, but does that automatically make NWA more dangerous?

The question was, which band was more dangerous. Many of you seem to think that just because they band did drugs, they're automatically dangerous.

How does one band member's drug problems affect Regular John in Kentucky or Regular Juan in Argentina?

How would the biggest band in the world (who are constantly on tv, radio and the newspapers) affect the above mentioned people? My point is, GN'R were the more dangerous one of those bands. Simply because they influenced more people world wide.



/jarmo

and i agree with you on that, worldwide influence will have the advantage everytime. i was merely saying that the comment about hiv/drug use was still relevant to the topic and you were acting like it wasn't, that's all.

maybe not as big an influence but they werent far off. You gotta remember that GNR were playing music that was easy to embrace , straight up rock n roll. NWA brought rap music to the forefront and even got the white kids into it along the way. I'd say NWA were more influential then GNR to be honest , considering rock is dead now and the hip hop music rules the airwaves.

Vanilla Ice, Will Smith and MC Hammer got white kids into rap, that doesn't make them dangerous......




/jarmo

he was referring to your comment about influence more so than the issue of being dangerous. jeez...you are having a lot of trouble keeping up with this conversation, you are usually sharp as a tack.

Not really.

The way I see it: Having a lot of influence on lots of people -> you can be considered dangerous.


I think Duff commented on how, when GN'R played in South America, they probably could've started a revolution if they had said the "wrong" thing on stage there. That's quite dangerous if you ask me....



/jarmo

I'm not arguing that. I am arguing your quote about "Vanilla Ice, Will Smith and MC Hammer got white kids into rap, that doesn't make them dangerous......". he never said that n.w.a. bringing rap to white kids was dangerous, he said that they were influential. and even though they didn't sell as many copies of albums as gnr did, they were very influential in the culture in america.

exactly. and I sorta went off topic but only by following into jarmo's remark about GNR's influence. But you did hit the nail on the head by what I meant badintentions , thanks.

and as for duff saying they could have started a revolution if they said the "right thing" .. c'mon , get real. You dont think thats a bit of an overstatement jarmo? Sure , GNR were a huge rock band way back in time but thats all they were , a rock band. Their influence doesnt come close to a band like US for example. Duff speaks about things that happened all those years ago like he can honestly remember dick about it. Another example of duff talking out of a certain side of his mouth again.

I mean some of you have brought up the "riots" at GNR shows as a reason as to why they are/were dangerous ... I dont think that made the band dangerous at all. Just because your singer get's moody and leaves a stage or doesnt show up at all doesnt make the band dangerous. It was the fans who rioted and caused damage , not GNR. And you can twist it every which way you want but the fact is the band didnt cause a riot , the fans decided to smash shit.

And I was saying having influence can be dangerous.



Sure, but they did have a lot of influence on the fans there and the fans were dedicated.


GN'R's set at Leeds 2002 wasn't cut short even though they were running late. They probably weren't afraid that Axl and Buckethead were gonna beat some promoter up, but they must've been nervous about the fans' reaction if they had cut the power.

Axl jumping into the crowd to grab a camera, cutting the show short and people rioting doesn't make GN'R dangerous?



What exactly makes a band "dangerous"? Not caring what the record company says? Writing songs with the word "fuck" in them? Doing drugs? Songs about killing cops?



/jarmo

Actually by this quote "Vanilla Ice, Will Smith and MC Hammer got white kids into rap, that doesn't make them dangerous......" you were implying quite the opposite. that is why i said something. that particular quote really totally missed the point in the conversation. you are contridicting yourself at this point and its embarrassing.

A band that you might meet after a show and try to get their autograph or tell them a certain song wasnt very good and they beat the shit outta you.  : ok:

And you dont think NWA had any influence over their fans during concerts? I bet their was more deaths caused by things eazy e said onstage about rival gang members then anything thing axl has ever said. Eazy E starts talking smack about a rival gang in compton and right after the show you have fans out on the street in a gun fight.

This isnt about writing songs with the word "fuck" , "killing cops" or whatever in them jarmo , and I think you realize this. To argue GNR were more dangerous then NWA back in the day seems silly to me.

Ok. Seems like we're talking about different things then.

While I've been talking about influencing people all around the world, having a certain unpredictability about the band etc., and being considered dangerous because of that, you're talking about how NWA were involved in gang wars.

Well in that case I guess most rappers that ever came from Compton are/were more dangerous than GN'R.






How?

Those people influenced people, but does that make them dangerous? Not in my opinion.

Influence can be dangerous, but just because NWA made white kids into rap fans doesn't make NWA dangerous. That's my "embarrasing" opinion.

The fact their songs weren't about how parent's just don't understand, made them more dangerous than Will Smith. But that's a different issue.


Oh well, seems like the two of you are talking about something completely different than what I was trying to get across.....



/jarmo

I am not going to read the whole thread so this may be repeating something, but I think NWA was the more dangerous group.  They pretty much brought the inner city gang mentality to rap music and even though they claimed they were trying to make people more 'aware' of what was going on they really just glorified it in the end.  It made it cool for some one to be a thug, to carry a gun, to drink 40's with Billy D.

I think what GNR did was produce a bunch of pissed off middle class kids that drank underage and maybe did coke a few times with their friends and thought they were Axl Rose after they decided to grow their hair out.  Of course I have absolutely no proof of that, but that is what I think.  While GNR was more dangerous to the entire world as a whole, I think that NWA had a VERY powerful impact on people in the United States.  So much so that it exceeds the effect that GNR had on the world. 

Thanks for the support.  :)

Anyway, I think Jarmo's right about how influence can be a very dangerous thing.  But both groups had influence, and I tend to think that NWA's was larger and thus more dangerous.  These days, Guns N' Roses have become a very mainstream band to listen to, even if the message and music is raw, because they're joined the classic rock pantheon.  People can mention Guns N' Roses in the same sentences as Led Zeppelin nowadays. 

The thing is, while GN'R are listened to more than NWA these days, I would argue that their social influence is less.  Kids who think of themselves as "bad boys" don't grow their hair out and wear bandanas or leather these days, listening to hard rock; they're more inclined to go for rap or maybe hardcore metal.  Mind you, that's completely conjectural on my part, but that's just the general impression I get.  It seems to me that NWA started the popularization of the gangsta image, and that's now the most widespread perception of what it is to be a "bad boy" or "dangerous".

I mean, how else to explain the similarities and differences between Eminem and Axl?  Both came from white trash families and had bad relationships with their parents, and they both eventually came to fame based on their "dangerous" music and bad boy images.  The difference is that Axl was an old-school rock star, while Eminem takes the more contemporary route of rap.  Hip-hop is now the most popular form of commercial music, and I think NWA had a lot to do with the popularization of it, moreso with the gangsta thing.  If you look at how widespread that image and mentality is now - as well as the ongoing problem of violence in rap - I think you've a far more dangerous influence than Guns N' Roses had.

Bullshit, NWA's second album NIGGAZ4LIFE was TEN TIMES BETTER THAN STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON!!!! It was also the first rap record to debut at number one, and Im gonna have to say GnR to answer the thread question cause rock music was so faggy at that point they js poured piss and venegar all over rocks open wounds. They also sold more records so they touched more ppl. NWA revolutionized rap and GnR marked the last of the legendary rock bands. So In my mind they both were dangerous, cept GnR actually lived what they said on the records.  :peace:

We are basically arguing about who is the more ignorant, backwards, dumb a$$ musical entity.  I don't want Axl anywhere near in that category to those NWA fools.  Ya, its real cool to glorify violence when so many young black males are in jail.  That isn't something to be proud.


I am sure Dr. King would be so proud.     ::)

Note: Axl wearing NWA caps during the Illusions tour non-stop

Ya, it was pretty ignorant of him, IMO.  I hope he has learned a little since those days.

the guys in NWA have killed ppl, so they are dangerous, but GNR is dangerous too, they tie in my book

that is why I ASKED the question about the man.

i merely posed a couple of questions in order to understand how reckless this group was. why is influence on others automatically considered to be more dangerous? If these guys were harmful to their own lives and the people around them, then it doesn't make them any less 'dangerous.' I honestly didn't know the answers to those questions. I don't see the harm in the introduction and frankly i'm a bit turned off that my inquires are being criticized for being off topic. I don't mind my opinion being criticized but an innocent question is another story especially when they deal explicitly with the topic on hand.

Likewise. Rock N' Roll vs. Gangsta rap? Go figure... ::)

Well, Basically in the 80's it was all beat box,funny,clown,breakdance rap. But they took what Public Enemy (a rap group that spoke of politics and the hypocrisy of the government, and the mistreatment of African Americans) and Ice-T (The godfather of gangsta rap who spoke of drugs and gang violence in south central LA) and they combined it, then they js took it that one step further. Basically NWA wasnt afraid to say what everyone else was, then they got all the politcians riled up because they needed somehting new to persecute since Regan beat the "communist heathens", so they went after NWA. Then that js hyped them up even more, and it came to a point where u had white kids in pops country club wanting to hear NWA. Js a sense of rebelliousness that kids were attracted to, much like Elvis Presely and The Doors when they came out in their times. And I think we all know what made GnR so dangerous, they took everything that was going on at that time and js said fuck it all, and did exactly what they wanted HOW THEY WANTED IT  :peace:

I'm not sure about that.  :-\

".. And i'm the last mother fuckin' person they thought would be climbin' up their ass to tell them about it. But see ... for me now ... it ain't about fuckin' doin' cocaine, it ain't about how much vodka can I drink, and how much I can drink someone else under the table. It ain't about how much of a (In a naggy voice) macho-man rockin' roller I can be. That shit don't work no more. That's great for little kid rock n' roll fuckin' bullshit, but it don't work no more in the real world for my ass.

I can't come up here and go, (In a naggy voice) yeah, i'm bad, i'm rock n' roll, we're doin' this rock n' roll thing, it's my life, it's falling apart. I can't fake it no more. Just because my family or my record company or somebody else tells me I should, so everybody can be happy, and make money, and ... suck my dick!"


This bit  from Chicago'92 Rant (credits to Jodie-the-rat) is chiefly about the conflict with his parents. Sorry it might be a bit out of the context but I think he's mentioning his view on the so called RNR image.

What, as in it was ignorant of Axl to wear an NWA hat?  Yeah, it's real ignorant to wear merchandise from a musical group you like.

The most dangerous thing a band can do is make people face uncomfortable truths, especially when it deals with racism and the abuse of power. NWA dealt with both of these topics and were subsequently monitored by the police everywhere they went as well as the FBI.
The reason they were considered to be far more dangerous was because they were black and people feared they would incite other young black males to resort to violence.
Nobody except for music fans seriously considered anything Axl said. He was a white kid from the suburbs who did drugs and played rock. Not so dangerous or original at the time.
Rap was new and no one heard anything like NWA before. It was groundbreaking and therfore 100 times more dangerous.
As far as which band was in reality more dangerous to hang out with? Neither. Millionaire musicians aren't too terrifying, whether they're puking on themselves or pretending to be gangsters. Ice Cube was from a middle class family and was attending a ncie school in Texas when NWA formed. They weren't hardened murderers.

I think that's about half right and half wrong. NWA were probably responsible for making rap a touch more commercial, or more musical, certainly for helping the genre to get a foothold in the commercial arena. They took what other groups like Ice-T and Public Enemy had done before them and made it more appealing to a general audience. Their legacy in contemporary rap boils down to two main points; the wannabe "gangsta" attitude and the reliance on sampled riffs and melodies. While there was more to the group than just that, it is those two aspects which tie just about any popular modern rap group to NWA. I suppose you could say that the most dangerous aspect of NWA was the way that they defined quite specifically what would be considered the rap archetype, and in doing so killed off the creativity which had powered the form prior to their emergence.  Of course, the same can be said of any popular movement in any artform, one good idea generally leads to a proliferation of pale imitations which usually miss the point entirely. For example, the entire gangsta concept in rap can be traced back to a handful of rappers prior to NWA who, like the most obvious and famous example, Ice-T, were simply using their own experiences as material for their songs and in most cases portrayed the criminality of street life as a limiting, negative thing. From those few sources we now see an endless array of rappers who present criminality as credibility and fill their records with romanticised, illusory accounts of drug experinces, drug dealing, pimping, and gunfights - not because they necessarily have any experience in those things but simply because it's popular subject matter in the genre, in the same way as sex and drugs are mainstays of rock music, or being a whiny bitch is a staple of grunge/numetal. 

So NWA were, in truth, as dangerous as GNR or Nirvana or Ice T or The Beatles or John Lee Hooker or Elvis Presley or Al Jolson or  - hell, Mozart, Beethoven, or Brahms, go back as far as you want to - in that by virtue of their popularity they set the tone for and erected boundaries around what would be considered "right" or "good" within their genre for a period of time and in doing so spawned endless imitators and wagonjumpers, saturating the marketplace and killing off innovation and creativity. In truth, none of those bands or the people in those bands were truly dangerous in any way, the danger lay in putting their music out there and connecting with a huge group of people, some of whom either didn't really get it or just wanted to copy it.   

NWA hands down!!!!!!!!!!!!  This is for the "Sucka" who said NWA was nothing without Cube.  NWA was the first Rap group to sell 1 Mill CDS in 1 week.  This was after Cube left!

Fuck NWA, there old school n' thats why i respect em' but fuck.....most dangerous, couple of street wise wannabe's.

yeeh..nigga....fuck that shit, yeah, most dangerous from Eazy E coppin' it in the arsehole

Hi Ppebe, would you please write the last quotes he said before singing Live and Let die... please :)  I cant understand perfectly... thanks  : ok:


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(following "suck my dick!")
"..anyway, there are those in my family who are, they plan that, now that i've written these things that 'they're gonna get revenge, because it was a terrible thing i did, and we're gonna get revenge'  YEAH? TRY IT!! ... and if a fucking scrawny little high junior high 90 pound weakling can finally get his ass up here and take this shit on- so can anyone of you that have the same fucking bullshit problems in your life, they don't have to get away with it! I tried being nice, i tried being cool about it, i tried like being friends and all that shit- all i got was 'you know how much we love you but let's keep the screws on and keep you down like we always have.' Yeah well, guess what? I've changed my point of view! For me now, it's kinda like Live and Let Die motherfucker!!!"

FYI check out this thread. ;)
http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?PHPSESSID=ebaf8f25c78a9c36e9654bc4ac371089&topic=19081.0

Thanks for taking the time to answer...

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