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Just flicking through some old guitar mags and I came across an interesting snippet from Duff in the October 96 'Guitar World' (with Cobain on cover).

Guns N' Roses, says bassist Duff McKagan, has begun work in earnest on a new album.
"Axl (Rose) is playing guitar and we've even recorded 10 songs with (original GN'R rhythm guitarist) Izzy Stradlin. It's amazing what you can do when you stop arguing about the color of the carpeting." says McKagan.

I wonder what form these recordings took and if they in fact exist? Not alot is known of these years so could be worth some further investigation?

Sorry if posted in wrong area, seeing as it's to do with CD in some capacity, I thought it best here. :)

This may be the infamous Izzy Sessions when Izzy wrote some songs, then reportedly was faxed papers by Axls lawyers requesting ownership of them. I dont think Izzy was happy about it, and nothing ever came of the sessions. We might never know what happened unless Izzy or Duff decided to talk more about it.

Haha, this made me laugh... :D Classic Skogsal!

Yeah, I've got that same magazine and I remember reading that back then too, and it got me really excited at the prospect of some new GN'R songs with Izzy involved again!

It was also around that time that allot of articles came up regarding GN'R recording a new album.
There were a few articles in Metal Hammer stating similar things, quoting Duff as saying they want to get the album done and out as soon as possible and that they wanted to play Rock In Rio 3, which was supposed to have been in January 1997.

I wonder what happened with that material myself...

AxlRoses were playing guitar????
yes right!
He is great singer,songwriter and musican but he isn't good guitarist(in rock in rio 2001 he plasyed guitar on madagascar,but...)

now now now ... we have NO idea of axl's skills on the guitar. I've heard he has really busted his ass since the original band broke up learning to play guitar. Just because he was inaudible at rir3 means nothing. He did do the intro to "dead horse"  played rythm on "shotgun blues" ... then theres the story of that famous place he went to to buy guitars and he went upstairs and was playing the guys guitars for a few hours straight.

I bet axl is alot better then we give him credit for.  : ok:

10 songs... that would be enough for new Guns N Roses album  :-\

To be fair these guitar parts are so easy to play even a one armed blind five year old child could pick them up in about 30 seconds... :hihi:

 ::) whenever you're ready ou can go ahead and post mp3s of you playing shotgun blues.  : ok:

Don't be ludicrous, that needless.

Just look at the guitar tab for it, it's simply stuff.  Thats not a negative towards Axl, it's a fact.

Besides watch the Axl and Kurt Loder interview from 1990; he says himself that he can barely play!  He mentions something about struggling with the top two strings.

That's only 15 years ago.  ::)

Axl could be an amazing guitarist now but my point was that his guitar parts on Illusions are simply to play and require minimal skill.

That point is correct.  : ok:

I've always wondered what happened to the music from 1994-96. At some point during that 2 year period, GNR were a 4 member band of Axl,Slash,Duff, and Matt. I don't know what happened to Dizzy during that brief moment in time. It was never explained. The band must have been attempting an AFD style of record. That was probably the reason for trying to bring Izzy back. As far as I'm concerned, what went on during that 2 year period is just as mysterious as this whole saga of CD.

Paul Huge was involved with the band around this time. Matt mentioned Huge yelling at Slash one day, then Huge and Matt later got into an argument over what happened. Slash said Axl wanted GNR to sound more Grunge. Axl mentioned Pearl Jam as how he wanted the influence of the record to sound. Slash said how much he fucking hates Pearl Jam and refused. The argument about the direction lasted about a year, with Slash pointing out Pearl Jams fall from popularity in the mid-90s as reason to NOT sound?like Grunge. Slash soon left the band. Izzy seemed to have a rough experience as well, but i only heard about his story one time.

grunge ? I thought it was techno ?  ::)

just one question, what the hell do you all refer to 'techno' as? to me its trippy dance music from the early 90s - crap like '2 Unlimited' and 'No Limits'

i take it thats not what you're on about! lol?

bob

I'm sorry man but that's a load of crap.

First it was gonna be an AFD style record, then a grunge record, then a techno record. Who would've ever believed that Axl would start trying to follow trends? Recording covers and trendfollowing were the downfall of the band. Extremely sad. I would've loved to have seen the look on Izzy's face when Axl said he wanted to do an album like Pearl Jam. Izzy is probably still sick with disgust.

Gary Sunshine ( I think it was him) said how picked it up very well and it seemed like he had been playing for ten years (that was back in 98)

Its from a Slash interview so you can believe what you want. Axl only talks about the Zack Wilde experiment, and how much he enjoyed it.  :rofl:

I bet axl will be on the G3 tour within a year or two. Throw down axl , weedily weeedily weedily weeeee ...and the dagon comes in the niggggggggggght!  :peace:

That's how it happened. Some people here need to read some articles about GN'R.

I completely agree MikkaMakka. Its weird how some people here don't seem to know a damn thing when it comes to the history of GNR. They must be new fans or something. Most people at this site are cool, but some don't seem to know their elbow from their asshole.

Nice to see some of you whining about people not knowing their GN'R history while you yourself claim Axl wanted to make a techno record.

When was he into making a techno album? By that I mean something like the things Moby did in the early/mid 90s.



"Oh My God" is not techno. Seems like people label it techno because there are keyboards and loops in the songs.  ???




/jarmo

Techno is not the right word. He wanted to make industrial music like NIN. That's why he invited Finck, Vrenna, Moby, Beven, Critter, Pittman etc.

I think you're wrong.

I think he wanted to incorporate industrial elements to the songs, or some of them.

Would you call U2's "Achtung Baby" an industrial record?




/jarmo

I think he was obsessed with NIN and wanted to make a similiar record. Classic rock and industrial music can't work at the same time. Achtung baby is not an industrial record, but in my eyes (ears) Zooropa is close to that. But who cares as long as he doesn't release anything?  :-\  When Slash left and Axl hired some industrial guys I thought that we would have a great record, not in the style of GN'R though. Silkworms, OMG and Riyadh proved that he wanted to move to a really industrial direction. Even he talked about the 'more agressive electronica' which we'd hear when the 'third' album would come out. He surely had fears that that type of music would be too much for the fans, so his vision was having steps to the record he really wanted to release.

Today nobody knows what will be on the album, so it doesn't matter. Hell, Brain hasn't met Axl in a year!  :-\

Silkworms n Riyadh industrial direction? I don't think.

And tell me which song off NIN sounds like OMG.

I know People tend to feel comfortable when they manage to find a name to categorise something that is beyond their understandings, even when they know the naming is quite wrong deep in their hearts.

I believe the word was "electronica" and that was mentioned by Axl, not about CD, but about the elusive third record. I believe this was mentioned in the Kurt Loder interview when Oh My God came out.

Axl said he slowly wanted to tke the old GNR fans into the present, or something...

put a huge fuckin' emphasis on slowly.... :confused:

ok so I've just read:
- a grunge record?? :hihi: a pearl jam record? :rofl: (sorry exept the album "ten" wich is really good,? I can't stand that band and the whole grunge movement, Slash was right on that point!). Axl won't do that.
- an idustrial record ala NIN or Ministry? hum...I don't think so. Axl isn't stupid and we are not in the mid-90's anymore. That kind of music is totally unpopular now.
- a U2- achtung baby kind of evolution? that would be a great thing to do...I love that album. It sounds GREAT and still MODERN. I totally agree with Jarmo on that point.
- a classic-rock album, a kind of mix between appetite and the illusions ? the best thing that could ever happen.

I edited my message. sorry... :P

Well, i hope GNR will keep the "typical" GNR,  (IRS) gave me som positive feelings... I also hope they will make some really good ArtRock/HeavyMetal music!!
U2 is a 100% unintresting band for me. I dont like theyr music and image at all, i think its kinda "gay"! But anyway! Dont like to compare generes, but lets pray to GOD GNR stil will be on the badboy side of music!  : ok:

Yes, SW and Riyadh (and OMG) are really industrial influenced songs.

And did you know that not NIN is not the only industrial band?  ???

Industrial or Noise, it's not me who keeps referring OMG to NIN.

I asked that to the person who said



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