Here Today... Gone To Hell!

what is your favorite baseball team. mine is the twins or cubs. : ok:

Atlanta Braves

I also love to watch the Cubs on WGN. :)

Baseball sucks and the seasons are too long and without a salary cap in place their are going to be teams that get into the playoffs every year (Yankees/Braves) and teams that will never make it into the playoffs (Rockies/Devil Rays) 

even though i live in the north marlins are my fav team, they were when they played their first game. also having a salary cap doesnt garentee there will be a fair balance.

As of right now neither the Yankees or Braves are anywhere close to the playoffs.  A salary cap would help, but even in the NBA where there is a salary cap you have mostly the same teams in contention every year.  And the Phillies are my team in baseball.

yeah in the NBA since the late 80s the only teams that have won it are the lakers bulls rockets pistons and spurs. this year its gonna be eaither the spurs or pistons. 5 teams in almost a 20 year span. and in the nfl the patriots colts steelers eagles packers rams are contenders just about every year, where the cards browns bengals lions and saints are bad almost every year. nfl is a little more balanced but when you have only a 16 game season and a one and done postseason thats gonna happen. whats one reason why the patriots run is so impressive, the nfl is set up for paraty but the patriots are a dynasty

Red Sox and Indians are my top two teams.  I actually have tickets for two games next week to see them play in Cleveland.  Also seeing the Tribe play tonight vs. Arizona.

the ny mets.. : ok:

Yankee's baby all the way :peace:

Cards and Braves

Used to like the Yanks

But I'd rather cheer the Jays to .500 then the Yanks to the WS

I would just like to take this moment to say that Grady Sizemore is my God.

And that Brian Cashman is a dumbass for contacting the Indians to see if they'd trade not just Sizemore, but both Sizemore and Coco Crisp.

How bout Bobby Abreu lightin' it up at the Derby?  I'd love to see a leadoff jack today in the All-Star Game.  Its about time he gest noticed for being the great player he is.

I like the angels but I'm rooting for the White Sox this year because the've been a huge suprise this year.

for the first time in a while i fucking agree with you mike.... lets go mets

but yeah, new mets my ass.

anyone in this thread into rotisserie baseball?

I am into fantasy baseball but it's sorta different than rotissere baseball.

yeah that's what i do i just thought fantasy and rotis were the same. i am in one of those GMC fantasy baseball leagues on yahoo... i'm in 6th place today out of 14.

I guess I spoke too soon.

Uh-Oh...

As written in the Boston Herald...

One big mess! Baseball rife with word of more positive tests
By Howard Bryant
Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - Updated: 01:30 AM EST

Before last week's Red Sox-Royals finale, a Royals player, who shall remain nameless, sat in the Kansas City dugout staring straight ahead squinting against the early afternoon sun. The topic was Rafael Palmeiro, whose 10-game suspension for violating the league's steroid policy expires tomorrow.

"Forget Palmeiro," the player said. "Be on the lookout for more. There are more names coming. Trust me."

The television executive whose network is a rights holder of Major League Baseball said last Friday that baseball had the names of as many as a dozen positive steroid tests that it was withholding from the public, unsure in the wake of the Palmeiro disaster exactly how to proceed.

Three days later, before Monday's 11-6 Sox win over Texas, a Red Sox pitcher heard the same thing, which reminded me of the words, "the rumors are always true," a classic line in Robert Altman's 1992 film "The Player."

"We're all hearing the same thing," the player said, noting that leading up to the Palmeiro announcement word had floated for days that "somebody big" was going down. "I heard they had 58 names they weren't releasing. I also heard that at least two were bigger than Palmeiro."

Later that afternoon, a former executive told me he had heard the talk recently, too, but the number is closer to 50 than 58.

Baseball executives say the rumors are not true, that the talk is cheap, more grist for the messy rumor mill. Baseball officials say there is no intrigue.

Yet this is the tale being spun around clubhouses in Major League Baseball, emblematic of the odd and suspicious environment that exists around the game right now.

The season itself is powered by Old Faithful ? the wondrous game itself ? and the power of baseball alone is preventing the season from turning into one big mess. But internally, teams are angry at the way the steroid process has unfolded.

The Red Sox are livid ? less so now because Baltimore has fallen out of the race ? that Palmeiro was allowed to play against them in the four-game series before the All-Star break. Imagine the games where Palmeiro demolished the Red Sox affecting the pennant race. Sox officials remain quiet on the subject, however, lest they give the appearance of sour grapes.

An Oakland executive not named Beane was frustrated, leaning toward believing the rumors. "If they knew about Palmeiro since May," the executive said, "what's to say they aren't sitting on more names?"

Players now sympathize with Juan Rincon, the Twins pitcher who was suspended for 10 games without appeal. Three months after his suspension, having already forfeited games and salary, Rincon's appeal is now being heard. Players want to know if they are being set up by the league in this political wrestling match to prove it is not soft on drugs. The leak that Palmeiro used the powerful steroid stanozolol, players believe, came from Park Avenue.

Twins officials aren't happy, either, for had Rincon been allowed to play while his appeal was being heard ? as was the case with Palmeiro ? he might have helped them chalk up a few more wins, something the Twins desperately need as they fade from the playoff race. Rincon has been told if his appeal is upheld he will have his service time reinstated. League officials haven't, however, told him how he will reclaim his name.




Any theories on the list of 50, especially the two names bigger than Palmeiro?

Take your pick for the 50 but my bet on the 2 are Barry Bonds and Clemens.  Both of those guys bulked up and added mass that just doesn't happen when you're 40+.

I seriously think one of the big names is Jason Giambi, and the other might be Albert Pujols.  Other allegations for the top two (and others) include the aforementioned Bonds and Clemens, Scott Rolen, A-Rod, Manny Ramirez, Andruw Jones, Kenny Rogers, Hank Blalock, Miguel Tejada, Sammy Sosa, Gustavo Chacin, Ivan Rodriguez, Phil Nevin, Brian Giles, Morgan Ensberg, Bobby Abreu, Jim Thome, Gregg Zaun, Mike Piazza, and a number of others.

Randy Johnson might  be another.  He was awesome last year and iffy this season.  Fastball is slower.

The whole Palmiero thing is hilarious, apparently he wasn`t aware he was on steroids.

Its gonna really hurt the game as a whole, MLB needs to get their shit together on the steroid issue. If it is proved a player is on steroids, lifetime ban from baseball and no chance at the Hall of Fame.  Pete Rose did less to get banned.

It really breaks my hear to hear about this stuff.  But I think the only way MLB is gonna get rid of steroids is if they catch the big names that are/were doing them and make it known to the public.

Randy Johnson wasnt much of a pitcher and then he burst on the scene like a bomb and started killing.

Its possible although I think he has just gotten old, I mean if a 30-35 year old guy gets old overnight u can suspect

but Randy Johnson is what 41 years old? I mean its possible to lose it when u get that age.

Look at Roger Clemens though how dominant he is

In 95 Boston thought his career was over and look what happened

i believe Clemens used Roids.

Yes, you keep hearing about all the suspected sluggers but the pitchers were keeping pace too.  I realize age might be a factor with Johnson but his fastball and slider last year were awesome but htis year it lacks that zip.  I also like how all the announcers talk of the players like Sosa and Ivan Rodriguez's new off season "conditioning" that had them lose some weight.  At least Giambi owned up to it, the rest are cowards with no balls, literally!

Yeah, the Phillies are alone in first in the wildcard race!!!  :peace:

What a race the wildcard is gonna be

U got Philly, Houston,Washington and Florida just barely out, and the Mets are 3 out.

with over 40 to play its anyone's wildcard

I think Houston or Florida have the best shot

Houston has the weakest schedule, only 12 games against winning record opponents, and they got that big 3 pitching staff

Florida also have an amazing staff and a nice offense once they get healthy.

Id love to see the Mets get in there but with Cameron out and their bullpen inconsistent, I dont think they will make it.

Rumors and reports are flying in Houston, Philadelphia, and New York.  It's being reported that Roger Clemens and Johnny Damon both have tested positive for banned substances.  Of course, it's no coincidence that Michael Kay, the Yankees announcer, is one of the big ones pushing the Damon rumor.

More can be found here: http://www.juiceenewsdaily.com/0605/sports/positive.html

Damon denies it: http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=98750

As does the Boston Globe: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/scorecard/08/19/truth.rumors.mlb/index.html


It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.  I have my doubts on Damon, but wouldn't be surprised at all if Clemens did.

Clemens doesn't surprise me too much.  Damon does however.  Of course I wouldn't put too much stock in anything Michael Kay says.  That guy's a moron.

We need to tyhink about how far back the steroids usage goes and impacts the records.  I hate to say it but it taints the whole game for the last 20+ years.  What was legit?  Was Nolan Ryan on roids?  Dave Winfeild?  Mike Schmidt?  Who knows who we can believe?  Thank God for college Basketball!!

I don't think steroids go back that far.  Firstly players didn't start getting noticeably bigger until the early 90's.  And the huge homer numbers didn't start up until the mid-90's.  In fact when the 90's started homer numbers were kinda down.  It was a bit of a dead-ball era.  I think the early 90's was the start of the steroid era.

Ah, I always love to see the Yankees lose.  Its also gonna be nice to see a postseason that won't revolve totally around the Red Sox and Yankees.  I think people have forgotten there are 28 other teams in MLB.  I was starting to get pretty tired of only two teams get all the attention.

If there's any team I hate almost as much as the Yankees it's the goddamn Cardinals, the Yankees of the NL.

Haven't given a shit about them since Ozzie Smith retired (Ripken, Smith, and Puckett were the last players who played because they loved the game).

Fuck 'em.

And fuck the White Sox and their nearly-choking asses too.

I said it back in late September, and I'll say it again-- there are maybe 3 teams out of the 8 who actually deserve to be in the playoffs.  And only two of them are left, and by next week, it'll be just one.

Who didn't deserve to be in the playoffs that made it this year except the Padres?  The White Sox had th best record in the AL this year.  Why wouldn't they deserve to be in the World Series?

Yankees, Red Sox, and White Sox are the three big ones I'm talking about when I mention teams who shouldn't be there.

White Sox had a 15 game lead in the Central and nearly managed to choke it all away and miss the playoffs.  If the Indians don't go

The Yankees had a shitty first half and should have been gone by July.  They won't do much next year.

Red Sox managed to blow it out their ass just enough to let the Yankees back in to win the division.

Angels are a team that deserved to be there, and deserve to still be playing, but of course the umpires had to ruin that for them.

Cardinals deserve to be there, but I hope like hell that they're gone by midnight.

Padres-- taking advantage of a weak division.  Part of me wants to say it's not their fault the rest of the division sucks, but alas, they weren't that great either.

Braves-- they're always there.  They deserve it.  Then they get KO'ed quickly.  They deserve that too.

I'm glad the Astros got in over the Phillies (as I duck the projectiles thrown by the Philly natives of the board).  Hopefully, they'll keep the streak of Wild Card World Series Winners alive.

How could the teams with the 3 best records in the AL not deserve to get in?  You don't make any sense.  By the way the White Sox are in the World Series now, after beating the deserving Angels in 5 games.  What does that tell you about who deserves to be where they are?  I'd say after the ALCS the White Sox are a little more deserving than the Angels.

I agree that most of them now play for the pay check, but there is a player down here in Miami that I think could be placed in the company of the examples that you gave. Dontrell Willis. I go to quite a few games and I have never seen this guy without a smile on his face or laughing around at the park. I've also attended some card signings that he's been at and he always takes the time to talk with the fans and take pictures with anyone who asks. Its a shame that he is buried down here. If he was in a bigger market he would be one of the biggest stars in the game, and the hands down winner of the Cy Young.
BTW I'm a Mets fan down here, so I'm not a homer talking up the home team player

There are still lots of guys who play for the love of the game.  Of course you got some that are in it for more monetary reasons, but just watch guys like David Eckstein, Jimmy Rollins, Tori Hunter...guys like that.  Those dudes go all out.  Every team has guys that give it all they got, its just that the Sheffields and Bondses of the world tend to overshadow them.

For the last time Chicago didnt almost choke.


Cleveland won something like 38 out of 47 games.

Chicago still played over 500 baseball, its just Cleveland played some of the greatest baseball of all time.


look at it like this

if Chicago played 600 ball and went 30 and 17, Cleveland still wouldve gained 8 games.


Chicago are the real deal.


Houston have a more experienced pitching staff, I think Clemens and Pettite have won a 4 titles or so each and countless Cy Youngs.

It will be a great WS cause both teams are very even.

And Ozzie Guillen gotta be the coolest manager ever.

Nuff said.

What's the old saying?: "When the leaves turn gold, the Braves will fold."  :-\

Without the Indians choking in the last week, it's highly doubtful the White Sox are here.  Once again, for about the fifth time in the last 20 years, you're welcome Chicago.

And don't get me started on every single lucky call in the book going their way.  The phantom dropped strike.  Botched calls in ALCS game 3.  The "hit by pitch" that hit the bat.  Berkman's strike zone magically gaining about 3 inches each way.  The roof.

This is just one more reason why I find myself watching less and less baseball every year.

Did the Astros really bother to show up?

Hats off to the sox for winning though I prefer mine red.

Without the Indians choking?  The White Sox won their last 5 regular season games.  Whether they choked or not the Sox still would've gotten in.  They won 16 of their last 17 games including the playoffs.  They were the best team in baseball, and now they're the world champs.

And 3 of them were against the Indians.  All the Indians had to do was sweep TB, and take KC in their last game there, and take maybe 1 out of 3 from the White Sox and the Sox are gone.

4 games against last place teams, 3 vs. the Sox.  One win.  If that's not a choke job, I don't know what is.

19-8 in August.  18-4 in September going into the final week, including taking 2 out of 3 from the White Sox IN CHICAGO.

Then 1-6 the final week, dropping 2 out of 3 to TAMPA BAY and getting swept by Chicago IN CLEVELAND.  Home Field for the last 6 games, and what do they get?  They go out and shit the bed against Scott Kazmir, Seth McClung, and a half-assed Sox lineup.

The White Sox were 28-28 from August 1 going into the series against the Tribe.  They tried to hand the division to them on a silver platter, but the Indians walked past it, stepped in the dogshit, and slid face first into the fence.

Congrats Chicago.  You've fucked up this Cleveland fan's psyche for yet another year.

More choke evidence?  Read this one...

Hard to deny choke job by Indians
by Ron Musselman
Toledo Blade

CLEVELAND - The Cleveland Indians issued a self-imposed gag order after choking away their season yesterday.

Not even the Heimlich maneuver could have saved this team, and kept it from suffocating in its own 11th-hour futility.

Despite the Tribe's sizzling second half, the Wigwamers went out with barely a whimper.

The Indians were 1-6 over their final seven games, including yesterday's 3-1 setback to the Chicago White Sox at Jacobs Field.

Call it a collapse.

Call it a choke job.

Call it whatever you want.

Very few will remember that the Indians won 93 games in the regular season, or that they experienced a 13-game improvement over a year ago.

All the fans will remember is the team's free-fall at the end.

Don't forget, Cleveland had a 1 1/2-game lead in the American League wild-card race and trailed the stumbling White Sox by 1 1/2 games in the Central Division chase.

The Indians seemed like a virtual lock to make the playoffs.

But over the final week, they got thrown under the bus and served as road kill.

"I don't think there was too much pressure, we just didn't play well at the end," manager Eric Wedge said. "A lot of it had to do with the opposition."

Ah, really?

Let's see, the Indians went 0-1 against the last-place Kansas City Royals after Grady Sizemore lost a ninth-inning fly ball in the Missouri sun on a Sunday afternoon, 1-2 against the last-place Tampa Bay Devil Rays at home, and 0-3 against a watered-down White Sox team that already had wrapped up the division title before coming to town and had absolutely nothing at stake.

That qualifies as a major meltdown any way you look at it.

The Indians spit the bit.

They looked more like a church league softball team than a major league team chasing a playoff spot.

They delivered very few clutch hits in the final seven games, as evidenced by their .125 batting average (7-for-56) with runners in scoring position.

The only clutching the Indians did was to their own throats.

"We don't want to feel like this again at the end of next year," pitcher C.C. Sabathia said. "It's not a good feeling."

It might not be the collapse of the century, but it's not very far off, and this is a young century.

It ranks right up there with some of the greatest choke jobs ever.

The 1964 Philadelphia Phillies led the National League by 6 1/2 games with 12 to play, and buckled down the stretch.

So did Jean Van de Velde at the 1999 British Open, and Greg Norman at the 1996 Masters.

The only ones who had a worse week than the Indians were the fans in this cursed city, who haven't celebrated a major championship of any kind since 1964, or a World Series title since 1948.

"We played so well for so long, you knew we were bound to hit a tough stretch," Sabathia said. "Unfortunately, for us, it happened the last week. I know a lot of people around here are sad, but we've still got a lot to be happy about this season."

Even so, it's going to take months, or perhaps years, before the Indians are fully resuscitated from their latest thrust to the throat.

Duffman, you're being way too hard on your team.  Nobody thought they'd even be contenders this year.  The consensus was they were still a couple years away.  They're an excellent young team that looks like they're going to be good for a long time.  They did stumble badly to close out the season, but this is the first time they've been anywhere close to the playoffs in a few years.  And don't forget they were one of the best teams in baseball for a couple months there.  If I was a Cleveland fan I'd definitely look at the 2005 season as a big step in the right direction.

I got my tickets for the finals in San Diego. Its a good thing I was planning on going to all 3 games there because thats what they force you to buy. You cant buy tickets for just one game. Have to purchase the 3 pack. It doesnt faze me but it sucks for someone who might not want to plop down 90 bucks or so for a halfway decent seat.

Petco Field is actually a nice park, so it should be a good setting, plus there is alot to do around the stadium before and after.

Anybody else going to any of the rounds?

I find Johnny Damon going to the Yankees quite funny!  :hihi:

Im a hardcore Blue Jays fan and im excited cause for the first time since 93 we have stepped up to get the players we need to compete and I believe next year we can do one better then compete.

Toronto is looking pretty good right now. If Boston isnt careful, they can be looking at a 3rd place finish in that division. I've been watching A.J. Burnett down here for the past 4 seasons or so and if he can stay healthy he will be a huge plus in what is already a strong starting staff.

The A.L. East is going to be fun to watch this year.

The Red Sox might be the biggest losers this offseason.  They lost Damon to the Yankees of all teams, Manny wants out, and Epstein left.  They better hope Curt Schilling comes back strong this year, or they probably will finish 3rd.

Actually that is the only title the Marlins will win this year

Yeah, how could I forget.  They went from contender to possibly worse than the Royals.  Of course they did this after the '97 championship too, so they should be back near the top in a few years.

Dodgers all the way!!!  Hometown team, of course.  But all you GN'R fans gotta have a place for the Blue Crew, thr whole WTTJ thing when Gagne comes in.  The whole team is close to receiving social security, but at least Depo's gone.

The Dodgers have made alot of nice moves this off-season. Picking up Baez from Tampa was a great move. I'm pissed the Mets didnt move on him.

San Diego has made alot of moves but I dont know if its helped them any. S.F just got a year older. Looks like the Dodgers division to lose this year.

The only weak spot in the Dodgers is their starting rotation.  they have NOBODY, and i mean, NOBODY!

Yeah, but in that ballpark you don't need to be an excellent pitcher to have a good year.  Guys who've sucked in other places have gone there and all of a sudden their career goes back on the upswing (Jeff Weaver).

Our owner Frank McBankrupt changed things in the stadium.  Remember all that foul territory that was in play? GONE.  he out in high priced seats to crawl out of debt.  That's why pitching doesn't matter anymore because foul balls go into the stands where someone payed 80 bucks for those crappy seats.

What are people's views on Barry Bonds around here?  I personally think he's one of the all-time greats.  However, I can't stand him as a person.  His numbers are definitely inflated by steroids and whatnot, but so are many of his contemporaries'.  I do hope he retires before he breaks Aaron's record.

Fuck Barry Bonds! 

I've been watching MLB for close to 30 years and Barry Bonds is probably the best everyday player I have ever seen.
I haven't met him so I cant judge him as a person.

The best players in my lifetime:

C - Mike Piazza
1b- Keith Hernandez
2b- Joe Morgan
ss- Ozzie Smith
3b - Mike Schmidt
of - Barry Bonds
of - Rickey Henderson
of - Reggie Jackson
sp- Tom Seaver
cp - Dennis Eckersley

May the image of Sid Bream rounding third haunt Barry the rest of his life.  :smoking:

That was a great series. Back when I could tolerate the Braves and Bobby Cox :hihi:

It's getting old, isn't it? :rofl:

I could tolerate it back when my Mets sucked, but when they were good from 98-00, the Braves drove me up the frigging wall. The baseball fan in me respects what the Braves have done over 15 years. The New Yorker in me wants something to happen to their team bus on the way from the airport ;)

I reckon that's the case.  How's the new stadium coming along?

I forgot that they were getting a new stadium actually, I'm down in Florida and new stadiums are a bad subject here. :rofl:

I did see a picture of the new stadium and I think they said by 2008 or 2009 it will be open. I'm probably off though on the dates.

Ouch.  The future of baseball in Florida is in bad shape.  The Marlins are lookin' to move and the Rays, well, the Rays are the Rays.  The new Shea Stadium looks like a knock-off of Ebbets Field.

True dat.

Go Red Sox.

baseballs my favorite sport and my favorite team of all time is the yankees!!!!!!!

Boooooo!!!!? 2000 biotch! :hihi:

by the way, welcome to our forum :beer:

Really mine too!

Let the battle commence, who will be victorious in the east this year?

The mighty yankees?
The destructive red sox?
Or the rejuvenated blue jays?

The Geriatric Dodgers! :hihi: 

Just got in from the WBC Finals. Having witnessed international play and the fans that come with it has really rejuvinated my love of this game. The atmosphere of all three games at Petco Park was absolutely electric. From the party atmosphere of the Dominican Republic - Cuba game to the non stop chanting and banging from the Korean fans against Japan, it was an environment you dont normally witness at a MLB game.

I have to give a particularly special bravo to the Korean fans. They were deafening all night. A 6 run defecit didnt quite them. A 30 minute rain delay didnt quiet them. Losing the game didnt quiet them as the streets of the Gaslamp Quarter were filled with there chants after the game. And all of it was in good sport. No fights amongst the fans at any game.

I wasnt too sure about these games at first, but after the last 3 days, I am a believer. I only hope in 2009 there arent so many players backing out.

Can't wait for the mets.. Fuck the WBC, typical Americans fat paychecks then just loosing....   If I was paying A-rod 25 million the last thing I would want is him risking injury for some meaningless made up baseball league

It sucks that we lost!  Baseball is OUR sport, WE created the WBC.  This reminds me of the '04 Olympics when our basketball team lost.

it's american arrogance... We still believe we;re the best even when we loose :hihi:

World series is played in two countries one continent :hihi:

Baseball is a bunch of overpayed cry babies.. I think the whole wbc was stupid anways, we have 162 games plus playoffs n pre season..

You're in for a long season of heckling.

Go Indians and Red Sox!

Incredible. A yank who realises this without being told. Very impressive.

I must've mentioned this to 50 americans when i worked in the states and everyone one of them gave me a look like a dog that had just been shown a card trick and said "y'know, that is kinda funny".

I'm sure the info is somewhere here in the thread, but i'm lazy - how long till the baseball season starts. I'm a touch insomniatic and theres a channel in britain that does all the yank sports; right now they're showing hockey and its shit. i want my baseball back.

It starts on April 2nd and quit making fun of us Yankee Fans. We're not all stupid.  :rant:

Markus, when he said yank, he meant American :hihi:

Oh I always laughed at that.. World series minus the world.. World baseball classic should have the world series

Well, I'm still an american so that's still an insult.

So, which team is everybody rooting for?

I'm rooting for anaheim, both chicago's and the yankees.

ny mets ,david wright, jose reyes good things to come 5-1 :beer:

I'm rooting for no more injuries for the Blue Crew! (3 in one day, that's just sad :()

Go Mets! David Wright is the shit! Could become one of the greatest players ever if he keeps this up...

I'm rooting for the Phillies starting pitching to stop sucking so much.

 :beer: 7-1 after another stomping of the Nationals today. Nice to see Beltran ripping the ball. I'm looking forward to their upcoming west coast trip. I've got tickets to all 4 games in S.D. and am working on the 3 in S.F. :beer:

Not really minus the world - how many were actually born in the US?

Go Yankees!  ;D

Indians and Red Sox.  That's all I have to say.

I am a fan of the worst team, the worst franchise, the worst  run-team in the history of baseball: The KC Royals. What a bunch of losers! but at least I am loyal.

Props to you Krispy Kreme!  I know what its like to be a fan of a losing baseball team.  I've been a Phillie fan since 1992, and they've made the playoffs one time in that span.  At least they've been pretty competitive the last couple years though.  The Royals seem to lose 100 games every year.  Way to stick to it though.  Think about it this way, if you guys ever turn it around and win a World Series it'll be so much sweeter having gone through so much losing.  I think Yankee fans are spoiled.  By the time they won in 2000 I could see it didn't really mean as much to the fans anymore.  I've also got a bit of a soft spot in my heart for the Royals since they're the team the Phills beat for their only World Series championship.

Sorry but the royals aren't the worst-run team in baseball. The tigers management is worse. A lot worse. KC got to spend $22 million this year and let's just say they did what they could. if you don't have talent at the major or minor league level, then that's what happens to you, you lose, you lose, you lose.

I'd say the Royals are worse run than the Tigers right now.  The Tigers added some decent players this year.  The Royals wasted money on players like Reggie Sanders, Joe Mays, Mark Redman, and Scott Elarton.  The Tigers have made much better acquisitions in the past couple years like Magglio Ordonez and Todd Jones.  Also they have better young guys coming up.  I think the Tigers can win 80 games this year.  The Royals will be lucky if they get to 60.

No, you have it backwords. The tigers are the ones that spent how much money on Kenny Rogers? A 40 year old pitcher and they give him 2 years. You don't give a 40 year old pitcher a 2 year contract unless his name is Roger Clemens.

And, given that $22 million, the royals did all they could. It will take awhile for them to be able to do anything. And by the way, the tigers may have started hot but they will fall hard. I guarantee it!

Also, you need to realize that Magglio Ordonez isn't the slugger he used to be.

Bottom line to me is the Tigers have started off quite well while the Royals are once again in the AL Central basement, and will remain there the rest of the season.

you jinxd him >:( Wright and reyes need to wake up, their batting slump is killer.. Delgado is carrying the team right now,, Beltran fucking injured, lost bannister, and floyd needs to get going..

What a nail biter against the giants the other day...

Atlanta baby, hope the mets whip their ass...

kaz mastsui sucks

The tigers usually start off well but (although not this well) and then they end the season with some of the worst baseball you've ever seen. They're like the o's that way.