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Title: The Potential of Lies
Post by: jameslofton29 on April 29, 2005, 03:49:01 PM
  When you look at the albums GNR have done up to this point, the most mysterious and often overlooked is GNR Lies. having four "fake live" tracks from their little known EP combined with four tracks in an intimate acoustic setting made this album an exceptional masterpiece. This album proved the band had infinite depth, would take many risks, and were not afraid of any fan or media backlash.       The way I see it, AFD didn't tell the world the band was ready to take over the world and do as they please. Lies achieved that. With AFD, alot of people looked at the band as a possibly one dimensional rock band. With the Lies release the band basically took that theory and utterly destroyed it.      Believe it or not, something else this album did was start a trend. MTV decided to rip it off and do a TV series titled 'MTV Unplugged' after seeing the success of Lies. Jon Bon Jovi likes to say that MTV ripped him off for the Unplugged idea after his acoustic rendition of 'Wanted Dead or Alive' at the 1989 VMA's. Sorry Jon! The Lies release preceded your acoustic set by a year. So whenever everybody goes to their local music store and buys an acoustic album recorded at MTV studios by Nirvana,Alice In Chains,Seal,Neil Young, etc., you should thank GNR. GNR's mainstream risk and payoff with acoustic material eventually spawned this MTV series. Kind of makes you realize why the band never had any interest in doing the show.                                      I always wondered why the band didn't milk Lies for all it was worth. The album had more potential hits than just Patience. You're Crazy and Move To The City could have easily been Top 10 hits in 1988/89. It probably had something to do with the controversy surrounding One In A Million. Axl probably got so sick of explaining to the world that he wasn't a racist or homophobe that he just decided to forget about Lies and move on to the next album.                               If you meet someone who isn't a GNR fan but you would like to turn them on to the band, don't just give them AFD, give them Lies too. They'll thank you for it. 


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: Mikkamakka on April 29, 2005, 04:01:37 PM
The 'B-side' (or 'R-side') of Lies is one of my favourite GN'R moments. I don't know if we can find better 20 minutes in GN'R's cathalogue. Quite intimate, soft and hard at the same time with a perfect Axl and perfect music.


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: jameslofton29 on April 29, 2005, 04:08:42 PM
Mikka, I totally agree. On those last 4 songs, Axl was at his best vocally than he has ever been in his career. The acoustic version of You're Crazy still sends chills up my spine.


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: Mikkamakka on April 29, 2005, 04:13:11 PM
Mikka, I totally agree. On those last 4 songs, Axl was at his best vocally than he has ever been in his career. The acoustic version of You're Crazy still sends chills up my spine.

Oh yeah, and don't forget about Patience and Million! (I think UTLH is the weakest of the four, but the incredible solos make it a great tune.) I've never understood why Axl hated his vocals in Crazy II.  :no:  He was perfect: dirty, vicious and vulgar.


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: jameslofton29 on April 29, 2005, 04:28:28 PM
Have you ever noticed how Axl sounds like he's on the verge of tears while singing Patience, You're Crazy and One in a Million. Maybe it was a really depressing moment of his life. It's such a shame Axl can't seem to get his ass in gear to do an album. Because Axl is truly the greatest vocalist in the history of rock.


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: Neemo on April 29, 2005, 04:38:47 PM
I love the Lies version of You're Crazy. his vocal nuances are awesome : ok:
Patience is an awesome tune and One in a Million is probably my favorite GnR tune of all time : ok:
I like the 'G' side too (man I forgot how one side was 'G' and the other side was 'R', that was cool) momma kin and Nice boys were my fav's. and the classic intro "Hey fuckers! Suck on gun n fuckin roses!" wicked  :hihi:


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: jameslofton29 on April 29, 2005, 04:57:33 PM
Yeah, I always wondered how Axl achieved such vocal perfection on the second half of Lies. Especially since the band recorded it so quickly. I'm really hoping for some acoustic material on CD. Ever since I heard the song CD I thought an acoustic version of it would be great!


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: Saul on April 29, 2005, 05:29:46 PM
the four acoustic songs were knocked out in one evening right?


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: jameslofton29 on April 29, 2005, 05:58:14 PM
Yes, the acoustic masterpiece was done in one day. Which makes the wait for CD that much more unreasonable.


Title: Re: da Potential of Lies
Post by: bad tripp on April 29, 2005, 07:28:45 PM
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Title: Re: da Potential of Lies
Post by: killingvector on April 29, 2005, 07:33:35 PM
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Title: Re: da Potential of Lies
Post by: Franci on April 29, 2005, 07:40:15 PM
You said it buckwheat!!!  :rant: :rant: :rant:


Title: Re: da Potential of Lies
Post by: blasphemer on April 29, 2005, 07:44:59 PM
srry, but did i miss something. whats up with all the weird talk.     anyways its funny shit,   but plz dis pimp dont understandz!


Title: Re: da Potential of Lies
Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on April 29, 2005, 08:23:58 PM
How are you going to fix this.


Title: Re: da Potential of Lies
Post by: ppbebe on April 29, 2005, 08:49:11 PM
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Title: Re: da Potential of Lies
Post by: Litti10 on April 30, 2005, 12:56:38 AM
Yeah Lies is a very good album. Different but good. I used to think this was called "lies lies lies". :drool:


Title: Re: da Potential of Lies
Post by: Timmy on April 30, 2005, 12:32:25 PM
"what is going on"


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: plasmabeam on April 30, 2005, 09:35:34 PM
Have you ever noticed how Axl sounds like he's on the verge of tears while singing Patience, You're Crazy and One in a Million. Maybe it was a really depressing moment of his life. It's such a shame Axl can't seem to get his ass in gear to do an album. Because Axl is truly the greatest vocalist in the history of rock.

now that ya mention it... Axl does sound like he's on the verge of tears. i remember reading that the band was drunk the night that the 4 acoustic songs were recorded. maybe that had something to do with it, but then again i'd never doubt Axl's talent.


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: jameslofton29 on April 30, 2005, 09:49:16 PM
Axl drunk on the night of the Lies recording? I highly doubt that. Could he have done such an incredible performance intoxicated? I could picture Slash, Duff, and Izzy drunk, and Steven nodding out on the couch on heroin, but I cant imagine Axl doing his finest vocals to date drunk.


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: plasmabeam on April 30, 2005, 10:15:09 PM
im not 100% sure. i just remember reading something about them being drunk


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: jameslofton29 on April 30, 2005, 11:04:19 PM
You wanna know what song Axl sounds drunk on? 'Hair of the Dog' on Spaghetti Incident. But not on Lies. No way! He was too good on that album! I don't think I'd believe he was drunk even if Axl told me that! LOL!!


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: Eazy E on April 30, 2005, 11:21:34 PM
Yeah Lies is a very good album. Different but good. I used to think this was called "lies lies lies". :drool:

LOL, that's what my family always called it too, "Lies Lies Lies"


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: Eazy E on April 30, 2005, 11:22:33 PM
Oh, BTW..... "Pop Up Video" for Patience says that the band were "really drunk during the recording of the album".  That's where the info. is from.


Title: Re: The Potential of Lies
Post by: jameslofton29 on April 30, 2005, 11:25:32 PM
I don't think 'Pop Up Video' is a good source for GNR information. LOL!!