Here Today... Gone To Hell!

From Mr. Stinson's yahoo group:

If you're still on the fence about going down to Long Beach on
Saturday night to catch Tommy's gig, you should definitely come down.
This is the last scheduled gig for the promotion of VGH. Tommy plans
to go back in to start writing for the next record, finish his
producing of Bobot Adrenaline's album and start his other projects he
has lined up. So, don't expect to see him play live again for awhile.

What does it all mean?!?

(AT the very least a new solo record :) )

 :hihi:

other project might mean GNR. :peace:

Maybe Nena needs a bassist too.

Well, he can write on the road as most musician do. ?I'm very interested that he's finishing up producing that other band. ?Not to sound too optimistic but thats a good sign in my opinion. ?But I'm still concerned with Richard touring with Nena and her "99 Luft Balloons" :hihi:

I'm afraid it's not GN'R otherwise he would have said that.

 or it could be GNR since he not mention it.. The GNR project is the only hhhhsssssjjjjjjj (silencio) thing...

In our dreams. Fortus will tour with Nena, Brain will do his drum clinic and Axl will be playing GTA all summer. That's the plan. No time for foolish things like having rehearsals, releasing albums (or at least one), touring etc. The camp is busy.

2005 is fading fast. I find it interesting how none of the other band members have quit. They all do their side projects and just continue to be on the GNR payroll. I guess the wait will continue.

I'm not sure if cancelling his tour to work with Axl is a smart move unless there is a set in stone release date already.  Otherwise he's throwing money away.

CHINESE DEMOCRACY STARTS NOW MOTHERFVCKERS!!!!

Yeh! Finally my turn.. ::)

am i the onlyone who havent said that?

Or maybe i have? cant remember,..  :hihi:

I've been a member of Tommy's Yahoo group for over a year and the Mod (Pepper) NEVER has mentioned Tommy in relation to GnR, so I think it's entirely possibly other projects could have something to do with Guns.

i havent yet... next rumor, thouh, i'm doing it

Hello 'Mats reunion...

Why would you quit a job where you get paid to do nothing?

paid by whom?

i dont think they'll keep being paid forever...

He didn't cancel anything. There was nothing planned to start with.

Like Nick said, Pepper never mentions GN'R, and whenever questions about the band arise, he simply ignores them. So I guess his comment can be interpreted in multiple ways.

Well, he said that he probably would head over for Europe again.. if nothing "comes up"

he is still in the paid getting paid and the last thing he has mentioned doing in the band is listening to a few tracks, so i say he is getting paid for nothing.  It was a joke in response to the comment by Jameslofton saying he found it interesting that none of the band members have quit yet remain on the payroll.

Who said that? Wasn't it the folks at sp1at.com?

If I was getting paid to do nothing I wouldn`t quit that job. And when work finally does come around expect to make millions.

There were rumors Tommy was tenatively set to tour thru the summer with Alien Crime syndicate, whether that is accurate or not, I don't know...but I'm sure somebody could find out.

Here's my guess as to what is happening:

GNR is looking to release the record in the 4th Qtr (Fall) of this year. That being the case, Tommy may be needed for rehersal for possible promotional performances in the fall. In the mean time, he will begin principal work on his second solo record (we know from interviews he has alot of material that didnt make it on to VGH) as well as fullfill his production obligations to BobotAdrenaline (he has talked about producing new bands in interviews)...once the CD release date is announced he will join up with Guns to do promotion.

Again, only a guess on my part...it's very possible that he never intended touring past this month. But because Pepper mentioned 'other projects' not related to production and his next solo record, I'd have to think the implication is that this is Guns-related work.

I still stand by my statement as this year being a bellweather for Tommy's continuance in the Guns effort...he obviously has other oppurtunities and wont stick around for ever. I don't believe he's completely ready for a Mats reunion (why bother doing another solo cd if that was where you were going?), but I think he has contingency plans for a potential departure from Guns.

this is EXACTLY what this news means.

Hello Mr. Negativity...

I hope you're not just basing this off what Westerberg said. Remember, he also said this:

"...I wouldn't look for any reunion soon. If I dropped dead, I think that's the safest bet you could make to see all of us in one place."

I think Tommy is probably entertaining the idea of a Mats reuinon more than in the past, but i think he cares enough about Axl to give him one more chance. And again, if he were doing a Mats reunion, why would he even bother starting a new solo effort?

the fact that tommy is doing a ton of other shit is not a good sign....the more he does outside of gnr, the less likely it is that anything is happening with the band....all of the members have other shit planned in the coming months...not good

also, having axl in charge of this album is a curse...tommy has already done one solo album, and is about to start another...obviously he knows how to get things done...i wish some of the other guys would get in axl's face and tell him to release this shit....they are such pussies

Do you think that Tomy will record and release his second solo album if he thinks there is a chance for CD's release? No. Oh yeah, I forgot about his 'when CD's coming out i may be on tour' comment. So Tommy having other project is good news, CD is coming!  ::)

Wake up, nothing's goin' to happen before the 4th quarter of the year. Richard must have Axl's permission to tour even in September. You can have your hopes up, but in the end the same thing will happen as usual: you'll get angry of those fans who predicted that nothing would happen.

Other projects could mean anything, like paying a visit to his mother, going on vacation with girlfriend, taking care of his garden, working elsewhere, learning a new craft, having works done in his kitchen...


I think you project too much on the poor guy you know... :yes:

Yeah, and he told me in Oslo

His plan when he was in Europe was to tentatively come back in February, not in the summer. He even said so in Jarmo's interview. And we all know it didn't happen.
It's OK though, it doesn't matter much.

Tommy can do a Mats reunion and Gnr. Why not? I hope to hell he gets back with Paul-Mats or no Mats.  :D :D :D

There's absolutely nothing negative about a "Mats reunion.

And I prefer Mr. Objectivity.

I am sure Buckethead had the same issues..... the dude is a prolific producer and always working. I don't care for his solo stuff, but the man has major talent and is always doing something PRODUCTIVE, be it performing or recording.

True, Mr. Objection
like madagas said he can do a side project or two. Or three.

God helps those who help themselves.

Positive minds who try to be objective and hardworking will most likely fulfil their aspirations eventually.
They achieve what those who claim their Negativity to be objectivity never dream of. Since the latter ppl even object to the idea of having a dream.

Those who mistake objectivity and rational thought for negativity usually base their sole existence on dreams not based in reality, therefore having eternal unfulfillled dreams masked under the guise of positivity.

I see your tin pot philisophical hooey and raise you one....? ::)

Tying this back to topic, there's absolutely nothing negative about a Replacements reunion since nothing's
going on in the GNR camp.? Giving the "Mats faithful one more chance at seeing Westerberg and Stinson share a stage and do those songs will be great.

what? Pot? Ha, You see things? :confused:

The Reality = you can only guess how it is. How hard you try, you can't be really objective in reality. Since you're just you, you never be free from your subjectivity. 

"See and rasing one" is a poker term, meaning I called your hand and upped the bet.? "Tin pot philosophies", meaning one's own way seeing things in a manner of overthinking, being too philisophical so to speak.


Speculating on something like a 'Mats reunion in lieu of GNR's inactivity can be seen, opined or discussed in an absolute objective manner with no subjectivity whatsoever.

There is if you remember this is a Guns N' Roses forum. I think you forget about that sometimes, because you keep coming here anyway.

You take "and start his other projects" as "Mats reunion". That's not objectivity, it's creativity. Negative creativity.
 
I congratulate you though for being very creative.

Not really, if you're a true fan of new GNR, you'd like to see it's members active in some way musically if GNR is dormant.



It's objective speculation, nothing more nothing less.? With Westerberg and Tommy's recent collaboration it's also very obvious objective speculation, if I wouldn't have said it, someone else would have.


Thank you.

I gotta agree with ya falcon.

Really?!?  :o

yeah I do.

btw , no need to take petty "banter" from one thread to another.  : ok:

REALLY!  ::)

hihihi  : ok:  Littlebit uufff fuuun....

haha , right on then man. perfect.  :peace:  and a  :beer: to you!

just building hype for the hardcore if it did happen. I mean you KNOW mats fans will use that quote in their community if it actually did happen. I think it could. Tommy has time , it seems. I mean , why did tommy and paul collabarate recently? why? why now? why not?

If Tommy can bury the hatchet and have time to do some Mats thing why shouldnt he?

You dont think the replacements have influenced alot of kids?

anyways , I should stop .. gnr board n all.   :peace:

If/when Westerberg/Stinson ?do a reunion tour they could call it the "Dropped Dead Tour", much like the Eagles did with their "Hell Freezes Over Tour" a few years ago...

Didn't he say If any, a reunion would obviously be for money?


Ha, I thought you were giving an example of the subjective statement.
My post has nothing to do with shoddy philosophy. It's just as mathematical as Marylyn Jones.

I might add there's another possible speculation on the launch of GNR's action in lieu of its inactivity, which can be seen, opined or discussed in an absolute objective manner without any subjectivity at all.

Any normal fan of GN'R would obviously prefer that project in q is Chinese thingy rather than a re-thingy.
However Unlike Magadas's post, your first reply, by the sound, implies denial of the other objective speculation that is more positive. Do you completely deny this?

that said, the dialogue between you and estranged was funny, I must admit.

Taking selfishness out of the equation, (the presence of that would obviously cloud objectivity) I see any and all activity with Tommy as positive.  Whether that be with Axl, Westerberg or Jesse Malin for that matter.  With no action in the GNR camp for nearly 3 years, nothing that we know of in the near future and citing Westerberg/Stinson's recent collaboration as a basis for my original post, a 'Mats reunion was the absolute first thing I thought of in regards to Tommy's upcoming projects.

A little more fuel to the fire. Interview with Westerberg the other day:

: Since you and [Replacements bass player] Tommy Stinson are getting along, is there a chance for a Replacements reunion?

A: We've been getting closer than we have been in years, and I think I might get together with him and do a little tape digging. . . . He and I cut a tune [for ''Elizabethtown"] with Josh Freeze on drums. I think it's a bit of a stretch to think we could involve Chris [Mars, the drummer] or Slim [Dunlap, the guitarist who replaced Stinson's brother Bob, who died of a drug overdose after leaving the band]. I don't think it's out of the question that Tommy and I might play together again. I don't know if we'd quite have the [nerve] to call it ''the Replacements." We could. Technically and legally, we are the Replacements; the other guys all sort of went down. That's something that's not going to happen right around the corner, I don't think.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/living/articles/2005/04/24/westerberg_is_back_with_a_band/

The door is obviously still open, maybe "not right around the corner" as Westerberg said but smart money says it'll happen eventually.  If GNR remains inactive for the foreseeable future, I'd bet a Mats
get together will happen more sooner than later.

I say if nothing happens by the end of the year, you're likely to see a Mats (or something similiar) reunion in 2006. I really think Tommy will give Axl till the end of the year before he bails. Not much longer.

Doors are open but somehow I'm not a big fan of Doors.


Open Sesame!!!!!

Big deal - with the inactivity I do not see how he could not handle both... This is not like the old days or a pro team where you can only belong to one "gang".

Until Axl explains to us what on earth is going on, my opinion is that CD is sounding more and more like a studio project for Axl, and tommy will continue to do his thing, and eventually move on to productive musical projects.

This isn't shocking knowing how many musicians and producers AXL has gone through over the past 10 years. The band as we THINK we know it, (Axl, tommy, Brain, Robin, Richard, Pittman) probably have not been in the same room since the 2002 tour. Over 2-1/2 years ago.
I'm sure Tommy is optimistic about GnR releasing CD and then actually touring behind it, but whenever this project comes out, we don't know who is in the band for sure.
But right now, GnR isn't a real band. It's a group of guys on Axl's payroll. I wish it wasn't like this, and I hope Axl proves me wrong.

Tommy has the free time apparently to do stuff with Westerberg, so why not?

How long does Axl expect these guys to wait around for him? If Tommy leaves I understand why. However since Tommy put so much into GNR I think he`ll be available to Axl indefinitely provided it doesn`t interfere with anything else Tommy wants to get involved with.

Absolutely...he still has bills to pay (at the very least)

What if the Mats reunite, start touring and even decide to put out an album, and axl suddenly decides to release CD and tour?

I would fear that Tommy's involvement in a Mats project would absorb a great deal of his time; if he does decide to work with Paul again, the prospects of a gnr release in 2005 would appear more remote.

If the Mats reunite, it will be baecausew Tommy will have left GnR and Axl would re-record his parts, as he's done w/ evryone who has departed, IMO. Again, the way Westerberg is telling it, he and Tommy are just starting to really get back into a speaking relationship, so a reunion isn't neccesarily something that will happen immediately, obviously Mr. Stinson has other things he's concetrating on now too ( second solo record, produce indie bands). I think Tommy still feels strongly towards Axl, but the evolution of his interviews and Westerberg's talking give the impression he's getting fed up. I think he'll give Rose till the end of the year while working on his other projects in the summer before he moves on to any Mats stuff.

Where is everyone getting the inclination Tommy "is getting fed up with Axl/GnR" just because he has other side projects in the works. When he released VGH, he plainly stated he made the record in its self with Axl's blessing...How will the situation have changed differently now? I think Tommy is very much dedicated to GnR still and will be as long as he sees fit..

A Mats reunion isn't a solo village gorilla head. And that's just it; how long before he sees being dedicated to GNR as unfit?

Speaking hypothetically, if Stinson left GNR for whatever reason I would hope it wouldn't be another excuse not to move forward, if moving forward is even planned now.  Cancelling Rock n Rio
due to BH's departure was by far one of the worst moves I've seen by new GNR to date, and as we all know there's been a lot of dumb moves to choose from. 

It would undoubtedly affect Axl personally, maybe even more than it would take a way from the band musically.

If Stinson leaves, then 'Guns will be moving forward and surprisingly (without giving away any details) this unfortunate set of circumstances may have given us the opportunity to take our recording that one extra step further. Regardless we hope to announce a release date within the next few months.'

(BTW I hope that Stinson won't leave.)

 :D  :rofl:  : ok: Leave Stinson! Leave!!!! Go hook up with Buckethead!  :hihi:

Yeah! The best thing that could happen to this band, would be Stinsons quiting. I'd like to see what happens after that  :hihi: Guns n' Roses doesnt need any fucking players, 'cause "Axl is the whole Guns n' Roses". So why would he even need Tommy  ::)

Ha, You don't need his involvement but just your Axl album. Cute Groupies. : ok:
That would encourage Tommy to whatever project.  ::)

Yeah, What happened twice might happen three times. More spare time, Lucky for some.
I'd ponder which came first, chicken or egg, again.  ::)

Like chickens, curses come home to roost. So I hear.

The Axl n Posers band you mean, I say Shit or get the fuck outa town ALL YA. Stinsons there to make money off the GNR name hes no fool. What a way to start a solo project, thank you Axl  and we get sucked along for the ride. I guess we can wait for the big project to fall outta Slashes ass. Oh, no offence to Slash.

Yes...but reunions aren't indefinately. Axl's obviously given Tommy since 2003 for his solo work, if GnRs heitus continues, I seriously doubt Axl will say no to Tommy getting back together with the Mats for a few months or a year if need be.

wow, are you related to jameslofton? Another nice happy rainbow on a dreary, wet day. Thanks for the images of dew happy meadows as well as people and places not long forgotten.

I agree. If Axl let Richard doin' this horrendous thing with Nena that absolutely ruins Nu-GN'R's image, then I see no reason why he would nix a Replacements reunion (if GN'R is still inactive).

Yes, people are going crazy and calling for Richards head in the music world because Fortus is playing with Nena : ok:

 I simply base this on the interviews Tommy did for his tours back in 2003 and when VGH was first released where he kept sticking up for Axl and basically would flat out pan any idea of a Mats reunion (or working w/Paul for at all really)...that shifted in January of this year when he said he'd consider it if they offered him Pixies money, and we know he is back to some sort of collabortive relationship with Weterberg. Add in Paul's recent comments about Tommy seeing 'there's money to be made." and it paints a picture to me that Tommy has shifted as CD continues to be delayed, and he might be considering other options.

A Mats' reunion in and of itself would be a massive undertaking, spanning probably  a year or so...Richard's current side gig is only a few months.

Again, since I haven't talked with Tommy himself or any sources for that matter, this is all conjecture on my part-I'm throwing a theory out there. But it seems highly suspect that you'd consider doing a reunion with a guy you couldn't stand up until a few months ago if something hasn't soured with your current gig.

 ::)

Alright then. I didn't know we have such a hardcore Nena-fan here. GN'R's guitarist playing as a touring musician for Nena. Cool..... ::)  Maybe he doesn't get a dime from GN'R and he has to pay his bills... or Fortus is another Nena fan...

Look who's talking!  I don't know about Nena but about who've been trying to ruin new-GN'R's image I can guess a few. ::)


The only theory/truth I'd cast is that music is the utmost concern of a musician. He just can?t cast behind the earthshattering music till pigs fly.

would u rather him sit home and wait for axl? Or would you rather him keep busy and not get bored/mad at Axl for this whole waiting game?
Or would you want him to play with a bigtime band, so then you can ramble about how hes done with gnr and not loyal.

The members are doing what they have to do to keep busy. Their work is done. When the bell rings, they will be there ready to tour.

Thats an idea

Yes. Playin' for Nena as a tour musician is a shame for Guns N' Roses. I'm sure his talent has some better use than this. Money can be the only reason for this tour.


 ::) Please name a few.

Now point me to the place where they are mocking richard and or gnr because of this....

So? What's the problem if he wants to make some money by playing guitar?

And he gets to see Europe. Maybe places he's never seen before.



He's a professional musician, this means he's working.



/jarmo

Exactly.

Most musicians enjoy playing and if Richard wants to get out and play with Nena, good for him.

Agree. Better to keep playing live to stay sharp and bring in some dough rather than sit on his ass and do nothing.

Alright.  ::) Next time he'll be touring with N'Sync again and the board will be happy to have him on the road.

Oh come the fuck on. Even if he toured with Lennon, Hendrix and John Bonham, I'm sure you'd still find a way to moan about it, because that seems to be your favourite hobby on this board. So quit that little game already.

Yeah, but I really wish he'd put together a band and called it Richard's Snakepit so he could play bars like a real rockstar instead of playing with Nena.

I bet you're happy that Josh Freese left GN'R because maybe you wouldn't be able to handle what he's doing. He plays in A Perfect Circle and is now touring with Sting!

 ::)


/jarmo

Noh, noh, noh. It'd be nearly impoosible for Richard to tour with those you mentioned since they are dead.


I'm not happy or unhappy that Freese left the band since I don't know how much he contributed. (The only sad thing in his leaving that it might have postponed CD, but it seems like everything postpones CD so Freese's leaving didn't really matter.) BTW I love A Perfect Circle and they are one of my favourite bands.  :P 

If Fortus went to a tour with Sting or other quality musician or he started a 'Fortus' Snakepit', an ownd band or a cover band with his firends (like Hookers) I wouldn't complain since that would prove that he likes to play and doesn't waste his talent. But Nena is a bit different... It's like touring with Cyndy Lauper... The only reason for that can be money, nothing else. Don't you think that when (and if) CD comes out the rock mags will be joking on his contribution with Nena? To be sincere I really don't understand hy you don't see it tragic or ridiculous that the guitarist of Guns N' Roses is a part time member of Nena's band. Maybe I'm wrong but I think that GN'R are still a big band so their members only star on other musician's albums or do solo projects but not playin' for has-beens.  :no:

BTW Stinson's solo efforts don't distrurb me since he surely has pleasure in doin' this and can achive his own goals. (Liking his album is a different story but irrelevant in this case.)

Who cares?

He probably likes playing and this is a chance for him to do so.


Slash appeared in a cartoon show as well as played with Blackstreet and Insane Clown Posse. Did the rock magazines make fun of him? Oh, and Slash also has played with "has-beens", how about Sammy Hagar and Alice Cooper? Not exactly as popular as they once were these days.....

Why did Slash do it? He likes to play!





/jarmo

Richard has played with artists ranging from Richard Butler to Perry Farrell, I think he can do a little tour with Nena without losing any cred  ::)

And when is the last time guns n roses had a single? or released an album? Face it dude, until Axl makes a comeback, he is a has-been. Fuck, don't get me wrong, I think GnR rules but they haven't done shit lately (lately is a decade btw). hell the majority of the people on this board probably think Motley Crue, Poison, Warrant, Tesla, Megadeth, Ozzy etc etc etc are all has-beens but they've all put out more albums than Guns in the last 10 years!! we don't even know if the band still exists. maybe they've all been payed for their contributions to the album and are off the payroll until the CD comes out (If it ever does). Any of those guys can do whatever the hell they want "Who am I to say? maybe we'd be better off without you anyway!"

It's my last post about this and I hope I won't be banned for writing down my opinion.

First. Slash made mistakes and shitty things, but how come that here? As far as I know he's not in GN'R anymore. I didn't like the idea of playin' on Blackstreet's or ICP's record, but he made a guest appearance as a rock star on those albums. Richard plays as a hired touring guitarist with Nena. It's really different.

Alice Cooper and Sammy Hagar has-beens?  :confused:  Then Axl is a has-been, too. But I don't think any of them would be a has-been. They are legends. Who thinks otherwise has no musical credibility. Don't you think that Alice or Sammy put a little more to the table than Nena? Maybe there are some thousands of musicians who were inspired by these two and about 5 musicians who were inspired by Nena, not to mention that Sammy Hagar's and Alice Cooper's catalogue is damned strong. (BTW didn't Axl make a guest appearance on Hey Stoopid?) 99 Ballons against Only Women Bleed?  :confused: Have you heard Slash's guest appearances with Cooper and Hagar? Those songs are killers!

But I don't really care about Fortus, but this Nena thing was shocking for me.

No, only Slash did.

Anyway, I still don't see what's so terrible about Nena. It's not like he's touring with Britney Spears or friggin' Beyonce. Nena is a rock singer in the largest sense of the term. Just because she's hardly known outside Germany doesn't mean she sucks.

True.

I think it was shocking because you wanted it to be "shocking".

I brought up Slash because he did all those things because he loves to play, with anybody.


I haven't paid attention to Nena's career at all, you seem to have since you're the expert here. But how do we know what Richard's playing on that tour? I mean, maybe it's guitar parts he wrote for some new songs? Imagine that!

I don't have a problem with anybody playing with other people. You're the one saying it's ok to play with these artists but not with those.



/jarmo

For instance?Do you have a mirror, Mr. mine-is-bigger-than-yours, handy? : ok:

I might add Jimmy page was a session guitarist before he joined the Yardbirds.

if that's shocking to you I wonder what you'll say when you find there's no more hotdogs in the fridge

( :crying:AARGH! :crying:)

This is true. Fortus only plays on Britney Spears' albums.

I don't beleive he has toured with her. (yet) Let's wait and see :D

No, he's never played on any of her albums. Check his website if you don't believe me.
Granted, he's played for NSYNC, who aren't any better  :P

As I stated above, I'm all for Fortus getting out and playing, Nena included.

That said, the comparisons to Cooper and Hagar could be considered rock blasphemy.  Though not as popular as they once were, Cooper is still regarded as an influential artist to this day while Hagar was in Montrose for cryin' out loud.

No 99 Luft Balloons in either one of their catalogs...

I don't believe you.

He played on records by Jesse Malin as well as Tommy Stinson. He lent his talents to the #1 album, "Celebrity," by N'SYNC, played on Britney Spears' album, and recorded with Ben Folds, Frank Black, BT, Enrique Iglesias and The Tom Tom Club.


You want to know where i got this info? Richard's site, of course.


You can check the site under his bio if you want, if you don't believe me.

I don't know. I made a google search and it shows a lot of pages mentioning that even Axl made a guest appearance on Hey Stoopid, although they don't name the song.

For example:
http://www.icebergradio.com/artist/3936/alice_cooper.html
http://www.seemagazine.com/Issues/1999/0916/mus2.htm


(But since Axl sang on Under My Wheels he also worked with Alice 'has-been' Cooper.)

Duff and Matt played with one of the spice girls  ::)

Well, I looked under the "releases" section which features all the records he's played on, and it's not there. How come?

Probably just an uncredited contributor to her album. Why? ...

Maybe Richard's trying to save face  in regards to some reactions in the GNR fanbase who dissaprove of such activities  :rofl:

That would be Sporty, she got up onstage at the Viper Room with the Neurotic Outsiders and did a cover of The Sex Pistols classic "Pretty Vacant". ?Later that night also marked the rebirth of The Cult when Billy Duffy and Ian Astbury joined the NO's onstage to do The Cult's Wild Flower and Love Removal Machine, finishing with The Pistols "Bodies"... : ok:

Point being, if someone as cool as Steve Fucking Jones wants to gig with someone out of their realm, why the fuss about Fortus playing with Nena?

Get over it.

That's the point people get all up in arms about Richard touring with Nena even though slash duff and matt have all played with pop singers.

"Get over it" wasn't meant towards you, just the few who are not in favor of a professional musician
out playing live and making some scratch in the process.

Didn't Slash play with Space Ghost?

 ??? ::) ???