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Title: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Boromir on April 19, 2005, 11:41:06 AM One of our readers asked Tommy Stinson in Portland if CD was going to be out in the last quarter.
He replied, 'That's the plan'. No other information was attained as he was allegedly avoiding GN'R questions that evening, as were ACS. source : http://www.sp1at.com Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Naupis on April 19, 2005, 11:45:55 AM Yeah, seeing as he claimed it was a hair's breath away or something like that a year or so ago, I am not going to hold my breath that he has any clue as to what he is talking about. This is more than 6 months away, and there is a ton that can happen between now and then.
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on April 19, 2005, 11:51:38 AM Yeah, seeing as he claimed it was a hair's breath away or something like that a year or so ago, I am not going to hold my breath that he has any clue as to what he is talking about. This is more than 6 months away, and there is a ton that can happen between now and then. Was that comment before or after BH quit? Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: the dirt on April 19, 2005, 11:54:33 AM So there is a plan.
That's good news. I guess. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: WanaBGunner on April 19, 2005, 12:06:17 PM He's been saying that for 3 years now. And every time, everyone on this message board goes "This is it, they will wait till late year because of this and that. And that mars, Jupiter, and Saturn will be aliened, and blablabla. I have a feeling it will come out."
This is dumb, every time he says this GNR fans are like, well it must be true because I cant possible see it waiting another year, BUT it never happens, every time. I've said this 3 times already. The last time I said "It wont be out in the spring of 2005" and now for the fourth time im saying, It wont be out this fall. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: 33 on April 19, 2005, 12:51:18 PM Go and sit in your negative little world and tell yourself that the album wont be coming out in whatever part of the year you choose! We are nearly there people! Its coming soon!!!
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Mikkamakka on April 19, 2005, 12:53:26 PM Yeah, seeing as he claimed it was a hair's breath away or something like that a year or so ago, I am not going to hold my breath that he has any clue as to what he is talking about. This is more than 6 months away, and there is a ton that can happen between now and then. Was that comment before or after BH quit? After. In August/September, 2004. For me this Tommy comment means that he no longer believes what Axl tells him about the release, since it's only a 'plan'. Doesn't mean anything. ?:no: Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: nesquick on April 19, 2005, 01:04:11 PM Try to understand it musn't be easy for Tommy. He is not responsible of the situation. I heard a lot of people saying "Tommy is a liar, he always says the same things "etc... but he doesn't own the CD release date. He doesn't decide of it. Tommy is a a smart guy. He is very likely as frustrated as us, maybe even more. I agree to say the situation is pathetic, but it's not Tommy's fault.
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: discobiscuit1 on April 19, 2005, 01:11:18 PM Tommy has no idea, the 'band' has no idea. Axl sometimes has ideas but is as fickle as hell.
I think Axl's vision is a kaleidascope. He needs to join the fuckin army or live in squallor or something...come back with less delusions of granduer....wlatz into the studio with steve albini and record the damn thing in a week. Nirvana style....cos at this point if the live bands sound (with minor studio tweaking) isnt good enough.....give up. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Boromir on April 19, 2005, 01:20:12 PM I think we have to wait again... We cant do more.
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: discobiscuit1 on April 19, 2005, 01:37:41 PM I think we have to wait again... We cant do more. We never could. But I hope the situation isnt lost on Axl. I just wish someone would stand up to the guy. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: nesquick on April 19, 2005, 01:50:56 PM Quote I just wish someone would stand up to the guy. and brings him a stylist also (sorry Axl)? ;DTitle: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Buddha_Master on April 19, 2005, 01:54:28 PM "Yea we are almost there. Its coming soon. Its really really close. We are nearly there."
[I don't mean what I am about to say to anyone particular] Sit down, and shut the fuck up already! Saying it is coming soon "for real this time," makes you sound like a big fucking anal douche. The majority of us, have been waiting so long that someone who knows shit coming in here and saying it is coming soon, is really annoying. I also think the majority here have accepted the FACT that it may not be coming anytime soon, because we have been hearing the same blah blah blah for years. It aint negative son, it just is. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Timothy on April 19, 2005, 02:01:24 PM The best thing for Tommy to do is just say no comment . cause I think it's pretty clear that he has no fuckin idea when it's going to come out.
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Naupis on April 19, 2005, 02:04:11 PM Quote I just wish someone would stand up to the guy. Well, unfortunately the way the band is constructed no one can do that to him out of fear of being fired. This is one of the problems with constructing a band of paid employees....VS. having a band of equal partners. In old GNR, when Slash or Duff or Izzy would get on Axl about hurrying up, they could do so without fear of being fired. Now a days, if Finck or Fortus or any of them really laid into him about getting off his ass and doing something, he could tell them they're fired and aren't getting a paycheck anymore. Bit of a difference between the 2 situations. It's like having an argument with a family member as opposed to having an argument with your boss. You are much more guarded in your comments to the boss than the family member, because the repercussions are entirely different between the 2. The fans are the ones left in the cross hairs because there is no one involved in the band with the power to put any pressure on Axl, which sucks because he has shown a complete inability to release music without being pushed to rap it up and get it done. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Eva GnRAxlRosette on April 19, 2005, 02:42:42 PM i can totally understand any and all fans not 'holding their breath' for this fall.. this winter... or any other proposed planned time
what i can't understand is the attitude that 'someone needs to stand up to axl and force him to blah, blah, blah' IF you are a stockholder in UMG then maybe you could claim some right to know how UMG is spending its money - not that you could have any SAY in the matter...? (Please NOBODY GO RUNNING OUT TO BUY Vivendi/Universal STOCK!! LOL!).... Axl is a privately contracted recording artist for Geffen/Interscope. It is not like he is a? scientist commissioned by the government (paid by our tax dollars) and is witholding a cure to a terminal illness or keeping secret a formula for cold fusion...? ? i could see if that were the case then we and the whole world could be in an uproar demanding that he be forced to release it to the world. short of that, IMO,? its really presumptous to have this attitude of "ooo that so and so Axl.. he better .... blah, blah, blah" calm down people...? ?:peace: Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: WAR41 on April 19, 2005, 03:02:12 PM Quote Tommy is a a smart guy. Haha ok, now I am sure there are plenty of you here who are against formal education. I have heard it before... "oh the SATs dont measure shit", "I am a bad test taker", "school just doesnt serve my needs", etc.... but I am sorry, I cannot believe for a second that all of the members of this band are as intelligent as you think they are. I dont know why I am getting this topic so sidetracked, but I am personally sick of people talking about how intelligent Axl is along with the rest of the band. What is your basis for this? What makes them smart people? Hell at least Duff is pursuing a college degree... I still dont think the guy is a genius (I just listen to him talk) but I respect the hell out of him for trying to educate himself. Just a random comment that I felt I had to make. Back on topic.... the album is never coming out. As for all of you suckers who have had your hopes up since the End of Days soundtrack was released, I always have a great time reading your comments to other people who use logic and reasoning about the chances of this album being released. Keep em up! Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: StoneTempleRoses on April 19, 2005, 03:49:38 PM "Yea we are almost there. Its coming soon. Its really really close. We are nearly there."
I believe your right! Who cares what other people say : ok: StoneTempleRoses Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Eva GnRAxlRosette on April 19, 2005, 04:09:30 PM Quote Tommy is a a smart guy. Haha ok, now I am sure there are plenty of you here who are against formal education.? I have heard it before... "oh the SATs dont measure shit", "I am a bad test taker", "school just doesnt serve my needs", etc....? but I am sorry, I cannot believe for a second that all of the members of this band are as intelligent as you think they are.? I dont know why I am getting this topic so sidetracked, but I am personally sick of people talking about how intelligent Axl is along with the rest of the band.? What is your basis for this?? What makes them smart people?? Hell at least Duff is pursuing a college degree... I still dont think the guy is a genius (I just listen to him talk) but I respect the hell out of him for trying to educate himself.? Just a random comment that I felt I had to make. Back on topic.... the album is never coming out.? ?As for all of you suckers who have had your hopes up since the End of Days soundtrack was released, I always have a great time reading your comments to other people who use logic and reasoning about the chances of this album being released.? Keep em up! Any reasonably intelligent person will note the difference being expressed by those who say "the album is NEVER coming out" and those who "use logic and reasoning about the chances of this album being released". While reason and logic would dictate that there is a chance the album won't come out - the same reason and logic equally allows for the chance that the album will come out. Arguing that "the album is never coming out" as though its supposed to be some sort of fact that some fans are denying is TOTALLY IDIOTIC.... and demonstrates nil intelligence on the part of those who present it as such (fact). btw: you don't have to go to college to figure this out. As for Axl, Tommy, or anybody else's intelligence... there are all kinds of intelligence. In my opinion those who pursue the intelligence that makes the most positive impact on their life are those who are 'the smartest'. ;) Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: WAR41 on April 19, 2005, 04:39:17 PM Eva,
It was directed at those who 'attack' people for being, according to those who attack, 'too negative'. We have heard the same song dance for how long now? Has the album come out? No it hasnt. So for some one to be cynical or even (gasp) negative about comments from the members of the band regarding the release of Chinese Democracy is not unwarranted. Then when I read people attack them, I crack up. As for my argument. I have given my explanation as to why it is not before. While I maybe should have clarified that in my above post, I did not feel like it at the time. Back to the comment about "all kinds of intelligence". This comment always cracks me up and I was waiting for the first person to mention it. Have you noticed that everybody is smart nowadays? There is not one person who is stupid out there anymore (except me of course... I want you to come up with a better comeback than that). And right about now is probably the time when you want to bring up emotional intelligence, street smarts, body intelligence, etc..... aka cop outs for intellectually challenged people. The last line you wrote is very true... it is the one thing you said that I pretty much agree with. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: 33 on April 19, 2005, 05:12:50 PM Sit down, and shut the fuck up already! Saying it is coming soon "for real this time," makes you sound like a big fucking anal douche. The majority of us, have been waiting so long that someone who knows shit coming in here and saying it is coming soon, is really annoying. I also think the majority here have accepted the FACT that it may not be coming anytime soon, because we have been hearing the same blah blah blah for years. It aint negative son, it just is. I think that was aimed at me Mr Buddha! I am not coming in trying to be all opinionated about when the album is coming out! I am just being positive and its only my opinion. I have been saying since about february that I am convinced something is about happening! I ent no different to any other fan in the guns world, of course we have been hearing the same for years and I am not professing to 'know shit' its just my opionion that at long last I do believe there is something happening instead of them just being pointless rumours! I also think the reason I posted a message earlier saying 'its coming soon' or words to that effect was just because I am so sick and tired of reading and listening to negative rude shit about the band or axl, whether it be on this site or another guns site or in the media! I was just having a moment thats all!! Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Twisted Nerve 85 on April 19, 2005, 05:53:12 PM I might as well hold my breath because odds are Im not going to be alive to see this album anyway.
And Im 19!!!!! :peace: Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: blasphemer on April 19, 2005, 06:14:40 PM Thats the plan. Fuck ur plan and shut up stinson u have been sayin this for yrs now. We just want a concrete release date none of that, " its just a pubic hair away".
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Eva GnRAxlRosette on April 19, 2005, 06:53:15 PM Eva, It was directed at those who 'attack' people for being, according to those who attack, 'too negative'.? We have heard the same song dance for how long now?? Has the album come out?? No it hasnt.? So for some one to be cynical or even (gasp) negative about comments from the members of the band regarding the release of Chinese Democracy is not unwarranted.? Then when I read people attack them, I crack up.? As for my argument.? I have given my explanation as to why it is not before.? While I maybe should have clarified that in my above post, I did not feel like it at the time.? It can not be argued that its not coming out as fact - ?no more than it can be argued that it is coming out as fact. ?To argue either case as fact is completely illogical. As far as recognizing whether one is being 'too negative' or 'too positive'... Follow me here for a minute: Expressing that you don't expect it to come out is negative. ?But not 'too negative' by any means. ? that includes those who roll their eyes when bandmember so and so says its planned to be released by such and such a time. ? The cynacism, produced by the disgust of past plans repeatedly not coming to fruition, I agree, is not unfounded. Expressing that you expect it to come out is positive. ?But not 'too' positive by any means or measurement. that includes everyone who roll their eyes at those who roll thier eyes when bandmember so and so says whatever The positive thinkers disgust with the cynacism of the negative thinkers is not unfounded because every time plans don't come to fruition, the cynacism abounds... and this is often. What would qualify either group or expression as either too negative or too positive would be to present or state it as fact that everyone must recognize as such. Example 1) "It will not/never come out and those who don't realize this yet are in denial" = too negative Example 2) ?"It will come out (whenever) and those who don't realize yet are in denial" = ?too positive Quote Back to the comment about "all kinds of intelligence". ?This comment always cracks me up and I was waiting for the first person to mention it. ?Have you noticed that everybody is smart nowadays? ?There is not one person who is stupid out there anymore (except me of course... I want you to come up with a better comeback than that). ?And right about now is probably the time when you want to bring up emotional intelligence, street smarts, body intelligence, etc..... ?aka cop outs for intellectually challenged people. ? The last line you wrote is very true... ?it is the one thing you said that I pretty much agree with. ? As far as intellect - it is our ablity to learn and reason that seperates us from all other living things. ?This capacity for knowlege and understanding can be utilized in many different forms. To realize emotional intelligence is not 'to think with your emotions' at all. ?It is to learn/understand about emotions, recognizing emotion as being the other major attribute that makes us (humans) who we are and to reason how best to apply this knowledge. ? It is a real intelligence which calls on one's capacity to grasp the abstract and profound - indicating intellect by definition. ? Street smarts to put it breifly is the ability to negotiate a given environment, again, calling for the ability to gather knowledge (of the environment) and learning to apply that understanding with reason - by definition, again, this calls for intellect. The subject matter in which one applies* their learning and reasoning abilities does not determine whether one is intellectually challenged. Any demonstration of one's capacity for knowledge and understanding is a demonstration of intellect. To judge those who don't posses a certain kind of intellegence as being intellectually challenged at best demonstrates ignorance. ;) *edited for typo/misspelling? ;D Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on April 19, 2005, 07:27:22 PM Now this discussion is getting interesting!
The title of this thread could be from any year from 2002- present. We`ve heard it before. Maybe I am a foolish optomist, but I think we may see it by the end of this year. I think someone will reach the end of their rope, whether it be a band member, record label or management if we don`t see CD by the end of 2005. So Axl`s hand may be forced (if thats possible) or GNR will be dropped and sadly thus the demise of GNR. I really hope the latter scenerio is not what happens. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: mick on April 19, 2005, 10:58:07 PM Try to understand it musn't be easy for Tommy. He is not responsible of the situation. I heard a lot of people saying "Tommy is a liar, he always says the same things "etc... but he doesn't own the CD release date. He doesn't decide of it. Tommy is a a smart guy. He is very likely as frustrated as us, maybe even more. I agree to say the situation is pathetic, but it's not Tommy's fault. Then he should shut his pie hole. He brings this on himself by answering the questions via his ass. All he has to say is " I don't know". Which, everyone would agree, is the truth. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: GNFNR_UK on April 19, 2005, 11:36:05 PM Thats the plan.? Fuck ur plan and shut up stinson u have been sayin this for yrs now.? We just want a concrete release date none of that, " its just a pubic hair away". LMFAO!! So true. I have tried to stay positive since 1993 that we would get some new original material from Guns (Or at least Axl) but things are looking bleek. Despite the IRS leak recently I still felt a release was more likely in '02 when things were actually happening, Axl was doing the odd interview and Guns were touring. There is no tour planned and they have no replacement for Buckethead (as far as we know) how can anyone think the release is 'just around the corner'?? I have this fear that one day when Tommy is asked he's just gonna come out with 'oh, chinese democracy? Yeah we scrapped it, we aint gonna release that anymore, we just couldn't get it how Axl wanted it', just imagine the fucking uproar that would cause! What I mean is even if Axl does have no intention of releasing it anymore, he isn't gonna come out and say it for fear of getting fucking hung drawn and quatered by fans and the media! So he would, I believe, let us go on thinking it's 'just around the corner'. People say Tommy and Dizzy don't know shit but let's not forget how indecisive Axl himself is too, even when he says something himself it hasn't always happened, look at the following quotes below, from Axl himself: From January 2001: DJ: When is it gonna be the new album? Is it possible that we're gonna have a new record from Guns N' Roses? Axl: Yes, I've heard. Um, hopefully we will put out a new single umm sometime this spring and then the record gonna be done in June or shortly thereafter And from a press release in 2002: "I gave into a lot of pressure on Illusions both internally in Guns and externally in the press, those albums suffered as a consequence, it's not something I'm too excited to have to live with again. There are a lot of new songs that were just done in the last year that we feel that ?okay, well that bumps a lot of stuff off the previous list but it's time to stop that now and wrap up the baby. It feels right, the timing, and a lot of things. We?ve sorted it down to what songs are on the record. What the sequence of the songs is. The album cover art is ready." So even if Axl has a press releae tomorrow saying 'Yeah, it's done, time to wrap this bad boy up and get it in the stores' i'm not gonna wet my pants. Until I see it in stores i'm not holdin my breath no more. Sorry to be negative. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: NickNasty on April 19, 2005, 11:37:01 PM Quote I think someone will reach the end of their rope, whether it be a band member, record label or management if we don`t see CD by the end of 2005. So Axl`s hand may be forced (if thats possible) or GNR will be dropped and sadly thus the demise of GNR. In my mind, I'm all but certain this is what will happen...at some point, the other focal point of this band, IMO Tommy, is coming closer and closer to bailing as he talks to more people (including Paul talking him up about a reunion) and sees more oppurtunitie$. This year is make-or-break. And for those who say Tommy is too loyal---if one of Axl's best friends, Paul Tobias, can ditch him, ANYBODY can. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: jgfnsr on April 20, 2005, 12:19:20 AM In my mind, I'm all but certain this is what will happen...at some point, the other focal point of this band, IMO Tommy, is coming closer and closer to bailing as he talks to more people (including Paul talking him up about a reunion) and sees more oppurtunitie$. This year is make-or-break. And for those who say Tommy is too loyal---if one of Axl's best friends, Paul Tobias, can ditch him, ANYBODY can. What are you talking about? Tobias never "ditched" Axl. What Paul has to contribute is more studio-oriented and so he was replaced with Richard Fortus. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Gunner17 on April 20, 2005, 01:03:10 AM I have given up on a release date...I am not going to sit here and wish it to come out by reading into what a band member said/analyze every word. I am very anxious for CD to be released, but I don't have the slightest bit of hope it ever will. Call me a pessimist if you must, but I don't take much stock in what anyone says about the release date...Not even Axl. The only thing that matters to me is when I have it in my hands...If that ever happens.
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: DemocracyRose on April 20, 2005, 02:29:58 AM Instead of complaining.....
Lets say this is actually the plan!!! When can we expect an announcement??? Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Nytunz on April 20, 2005, 02:43:29 AM Instead of complaining..... Lets say this is actually the plan!!! When can we expect an announcement??? Mid sumer.... Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Mikkamakka on April 20, 2005, 03:23:50 AM Instead of complaining..... Lets say this is actually the plan!!! When can we expect an announcement??? Not anytime soon Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: jazjme on April 20, 2005, 03:36:01 AM Quote I just wish someone would stand up to the guy. Well, unfortunately the way the band is constructed no one can do that to him out of fear of being fired. This is one of the problems with constructing a band of paid employees....VS. having a band of equal partners. In old GNR, when Slash or Duff or Izzy would get on Axl about hurrying up, they could do so without fear of being fired. Now a days, if Finck or Fortus or any of them really laid into him about getting off his ass and doing something, he could tell them they're fired and aren't getting a paycheck anymore. Bit of a difference between the 2 situations. It's like having an argument with a family member as opposed to having an argument with your boss. You are much more guarded in your comments to the boss than the family member, because the repercussions are entirely different between the 2. Im sorry but this is like one of the most idoitic posts , dude the members make a livng doin lots of other stuff , outside GNR, they arent afraid about being fired , last time I talked to Richard doin a show here witha band called Pisser, in NY last month, all was good in his world, said he talked to axl the ngiht before, and is doing some things with a few people cause , thats what they do , they are musicians, and they are in guns cause they want to be , not for some damn paycheck you seem to elude to, thats just not how it is. YES I can see for some that you are all pissed bla bla bla.d cause , oh Axl isnt doin anything , oh blah blah blah, well I dont know about you but if other members here live in NY ,of the forum actualy went to the shows of GNR members doin thier stuff on the side and actually talked to them well then you would know. and Axl the boss comment.....oh ya know what, if it pisses you off so much then simply stop listening to GNR, easy as that.forget about them, might do you some good. Then when one day you turn on ur radio and hear the them , with a trace of oh, wait this gnr oh wait this is new, youll be excited again, I hate fuckin negative people and comments, but oh I know wha wha wha,,,,,fuck that, I dont waste my time on bulshit, those that know me, know what I mean, and yer it felt good to rant again. But just so you know this isnt an attack on just who I quoted, but more a generalization of how I feel about peeps thinking they know shit. Talk to me in 20 yr. Ive benn there since I was 17. The fans are the ones left in the cross hairs because there is no one involved in the band with the power to put any pressure on Axl, which sucks because he has shown a complete inability to release music without being pushed to rap it up and get it done. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: michaelvincent on April 20, 2005, 08:26:22 AM These threads amuse me. It's like that Bill Murray movie Groundhog Day, except no one realizes that its the same day happening over and over and over. I seem to remember hearing about this album as far back as 1999 (wasn't that the year he did the Kurt Loder interview?).
1999 GnR: "There is a new GnR album coming, we're working on it now." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* 2000 GnR: "There is a new GnR album coming, we're finishing it up and you will hear it soon." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* 2001 GnR: "Its coming I swear." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* 2002 GnR: "Its almost done, we're putting the finishing touches on it." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* 2003 GnR: "It's in the final mixing stages now, we're putting the finishing touches on it." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* 2004 GnR: "It's in the final mixing stages now, we're putting the finishing touches on it." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* 2005 GnR: "It's in the final mixing stages now, we're putting the finishing touches on it." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* And more than likely: 2006 GnR: "It's in the final mixing stages now, we're putting the finishing touches on it." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* 2007 GnR: "It's in the final mixing stages now, we're putting the finishing touches on it." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* 2008 GnR: "It's in the final mixing stages now, we're putting the finishing touches on it." HTGTH: "OMFG Chinese Democracy starts now!!! It's coming!!!" *wets collective pants* For me its just hard to work up any excitement over 'news' from the GnR camp these days. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: madagas on April 20, 2005, 09:04:05 AM Listen, common sense tells you, at this point, after all these years, IF this ridiculous album EVER comes out, it will be released in the fourth quarter of the year-probably November-to capitalize on maximum sales. Just forget about what anyone says because it is all meaningless until the record company and management set a release date and reveal the tracklisting. I just hope when they do set a date that they are the first major act to grab a spot in the fourth quarter. That way you make other bands and artists react to you/set their dates around yours. Of course, as always with Gnr, it will be done ass backwards. :-\
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Eva GnRAxlRosette on April 20, 2005, 09:38:46 AM Im sorry but this is like one of the most idoitic posts , dude the members make a livng doin lots of other stuff , outside GNR, they arent afraid about being fired ,? last time I talked to Richard doin a show here witha band called Pisser, in NY last month, all was good in his world, said he talked to axl the ngiht before, and is doing some things? with a few people? cause , thats what they do , they are musicians, and they are in guns cause they want to be , not for some damn paycheck you seem to elude to, thats just not how it is. YES I can see for some that you are all pissed bla bla bla.d cause , oh Axl isnt doin anything , oh blah blah blah, well I dont know about you but if other members here live in NY ,of the forum actualy went to the shows of GNR members doin thier stuff on the side and actually talked to them well then you would know. and Axl the boss comment.....oh ya know what, if it pisses you off so much then simply stop listening to GNR, easy as that.forget about them, might do you some good. Then when one day you turn on ur radio and hear the them , with a trace of oh, wait this gnr oh wait this is new, youll be excited again, I hate fuckin negative people and comments, but oh I know wha wha wha,,,,,fuck that, I dont waste my time on? bulshit, those that know me, know what I mean, and? yer it felt good to rant again. But just so you know this isnt an attack on just who I quoted, but more a generalization of how I feel about peeps thinking they know shit. Talk to me in 20 yr. Ive benn there since I was 17. : ok: The theory about them 'just' being there for the money and and being afraid of being fired' is a weak one. They are musicians for chrissake No one could create under such circumstances. It's not like a regular job - ya know -? with the 'boss' scenario like it's made out to be. That should be obvious.? I mean really!? What would that be like: begin dream sequence set in west coast studio: - Axl phones Tommy:? ?Tommy, I was listening to (insert track name here) and we need you back in the studio.? - Tommy:? ?Sure, sir, yes sir, no problem, sir, be right there sir.? :nervous:? Hangs up. - Axl:? Hangs up.? That fucker better get his ass down here pronto!? I OWN him!... :rant: - Tommy:? (to self) ?Oh man this fuckin' sucks :crying: but that fucker Jason Newsted would probably swoop down and steal my fat paycheck :nervous: - Tommy jumps in his car and speeds to studio Five minutes passes...... -? Axl: (to self) Hm, I wonder if i could still get Jason Newsted? One hour later.... - Tommy bursts through the studio door... sees Jason Newsted in the booth - Axl looks at Tommy and says (a la Donald Trump):? You're fired! - Tommy:? Nooooo!? :crying:? My fat paychek!? ?Jason you bastard!? :hihi: ::) It should be obvious that its not like these guys make widgets for a living.? They are musicians.? They are integral to the bands development and success. Buckethead's departure should make it clear to you that Axl has NOT been of the attitude that "dudes, i run the show - you are all mere pons in my band.. blah, blah, blah.. .do what i say, eat shit and like it cuz I'm paying you or get the fuck out"? Seems that Axl did all he could to accomodate the musician he hired AND even after the fact seemed to leave the door open....? ?Just on what is this theory of Axl luring artists with money and being a trigger happy firing asshole boss based?? :confused: Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: Voodoochild on April 20, 2005, 11:45:41 AM Jaz and Eva: great posts! You're the most positive people around, and that's really cool! : ok:
I just want to add something: just read what the members themselves said about GNR and Axl. They all loves to play with the band, even Brain. I'm pretty sure that no one needs the gnr paycheck to live - they could play with another musicians, you know... Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: ppbebe on April 20, 2005, 12:38:01 PM Instead of complaining..... Lets say this is actually the plan!!! When can we expect an announcement??? Mid sumer.... May~June.... Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: blues rocker on April 20, 2005, 02:58:56 PM this topic doesn't even matter, because tommy probably didn't even say this..."some guy says that tommy said it"....whatever...this piece-of-shit band is so bad at providing info that the best news we can get is "some guy says....."? ?
i mean next there will be a thread about some guy's cousin's girlfriend's lesbian lover who heard tommy let a fart....ooooh, someone heard tommy fart, that must mean the album will be out in september...tommy's ass spoke to us!!! what the fuck?!!!!? all this shit because gnr can't provide any decent info.... fucking gnr...the least they could do is take the graphic for the 2002 tour off of their website...it just shows how little they care about getting anything done Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: plasmabeam on April 20, 2005, 04:07:06 PM yay we have a plan...
Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: NickNasty on April 20, 2005, 09:07:39 PM Quote Tobias never "ditched" Axl. What Paul has to contribute is more studio-oriented and so he was replaced with Richard Fortus. Paul played the Vegas gigs and RIR with the band...i'd say that's more than studio contributions. Plus we know now that Richard re-recorded all Paul's parts...why would Axl dump all of Paul's parts if there wasn't an issue over Paul's departure? Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: jgfnsr on April 20, 2005, 10:51:26 PM Paul played the Vegas gigs and RIR with the band...i'd say that's more than studio contributions. Plus we know now that Richard re-recorded all Paul's parts...why would Axl dump all of Paul's parts if there wasn't an issue over Paul's departure? When I say studio contributions, I mean song-writing and basically a "stand-in." Read some of Axl's interviews right here at HTGTH. Paul recorded guitar parts for the album and played the first few shows simply because there wasn't another guitarist involved yet. However, Axl and Paul always had an understanding of what his role was, and that a better guitarist could always be found and ultimately used. As it just so happened, that guitarist ended up being Fortus. Title: Re: Stinson on Fourth Quarter Release Post by: estranged.1098 on April 21, 2005, 02:56:43 AM "Basically, Richard is the guy we were always looking for."
If Axl had anything against Paul because he left he would have said something about it. |