Here Today... Gone To Hell!

in the news section it says he is goin on tour with Nena! ive never even heard of them, With Richard out doin that I guess Guns arent planning to do anything for the next few monthes ohhhh well whats a few months when youve waited for years

It would appear that Richard Fortus is on tour with a German singer all through the summer with the last gig being 24th September.

So:-

a) Has he quit Guns N'Roses?

or

b) Is this simply another wasted year with no end to the wait on the horizon?

 :confused:

i guess Richard rather would be in GNR then on tour with Nena, or whoever they are! So i guess there wont be a gnr tour anytime soon. But that does not mean that Chinese Democracy wont be released in the near future..

Yeah right.  ::)

Upcoming Tour Dates With Nena


28.04.Bregenz
29.04.Salzburg
30.04.Festival Bern Juli
17.06.ADAC Festival Sachsenring
18.06.NDR 2 Open Air Papenburg Ronan Keating, J. Summerville, Lunik
19.06.Kyffheuser Open Air Bad Frankenhausen
23.06.Intersportarena Linz Silbermond
24.06.Donauinselfest Wien folgt
25.06.Lufthansa Betriebsfest Frankfurt
26.06.Luxemburg Niederkorn, Luxemburg S?hne Mannheims, Vaya c Dios
14.07.World GamesDuisburg-Stadion
12.08.Open AirSchw?bisch Gm?nd Silbermond
13.08.Open AirCoburg Springer
14.08.Open AirFrankfurt/Oder
26.08.Kulturpark RotehornMagdeburg
27.08.Antenne MV Open Air Ludwigslust
28.08.Feldschl?sschen Open Air Braunschweig
02.09.Open AirSalem/ oder Villingen Schwenningen
03.09.Open Air Junge Garde Dresden
04.09.125 Jahre Tengelmann - Gala Borussia Stadion Dortmund
23.09.Schupfard Festiv. (Zelt)Schupfard bei Basel

Source: http://richardfortusonline.com/ontour800.htm

Ha..................HA...................A............HA

late september?... :(

We are now in mid april. September (when the tour with nena ends) is just five months away. Nothing will happen until then regarding a tour. If a release date is announced soon, we will get the album in aprox. 6 months time I guess, so nevermind fortus playing with nena or whoever he wants to play with (please no more enrique iglesias or nsync :hihi:). What the hell, I'd play with them for the money :nervous:

well, he sure got alot of sparetime on that tour.. but, anyway.. This is never ending...

owww.... bloody ...... hell
wtf is happening with this band??

Isn`t Nena the girl who had that hit in the 80`s called "99 red baloons"?

Certainly not a high profile gig for Fortus.

If Axl called him to cut his tour short I`m sure he would. But I`m not getting my hopes up for that. After being a GNR fan for MANY years I know better.

was anyone really expecting anything to happen before september anyway???

Yes, Tommy. He was expecting things to happen in April..  :rofl:

One in the same.

Not a high profile gig for sure, but a gig nonetheless.

Hey, I like enrique Iglesias music. I prefer Enrique Iglesias to anything "Metal". I don't especially like NSYN'C but there was a song called "by bye" (huge success) where I used to do a dancing choregraphy on it...well I was a "young" teenager at college ?:hihi:
I remember I looked like a boys band! staying 25 minutes each morning in my bathroom doing my haircult with 2kg of gel. what a shame! :rofl:

Everybody has made some mistakes during their life.... ;D. I'm not saying I hate my compatriot (iglesias jr), but I'd rather play guitar with bruce springsteen (I love the boss by the way).

oh yeah Bruce Springsteen is awesome....that's real music.? :yes:
However, I still prefer boys band music to anything "metal" and that's not a joke. Boys band music is a joke, but it's just to dance. Metal music is also a joke, but in add you can't even dance on it. So it's worth? ;D

Yeah! And the last date of his upcoming tour will be in Norway! Thats great!  :peace:
So any germans in here who wanna go ask Richard what the fuck he is doing? I guess he needs the money, the paycheacks from gnr stoped coming! :crying:

Doesnt seem to be that good. If we assume that the artwork, promotion, photos etc are not yet done, then even if things do start again in late september it could still be months until it all gets sorted. They have to reherse, shoot a video, get the artwork, print the album etc.

However... how many release dates have come and gone over the years? Its possible, although unlikely that all or some of the above have already been done, or could even be done during one of the long breaks that Fortus has on the tour.

The above seems highly unlikely though, as im sure we would have heard about it. As more and more people are bought in its going to be harder to keep things so secret. I suppose its only a matter of time.

Guess we just keep waiting until September/October. Yay

Jonx

The court date is in Nov. That is why 2005 might be out now :(

Knowing this why would Merck mention 2005??

I know he is a company man, but why mention 05??

One day fans are gonna get sick of being dicked over.

From Nenas homsite:

Hier habt ihr alle aktuellen NENA Termine im ?berblick.

NENA Live

28.04.05    Bregenz / ?sterreich   
29.04.05    Salzburg / ?sterreich   
30.04.05    Bern / Schweiz (Juli)   
17.06.05    Open Air / Sachsenring   
18.06.05    NDR2 OpenAir / Papenburg (R. Keating, J. Summerville, Lunik)   
19.06.05    Kyffheuser OpenAir / Bad Frankenhausen   
23.06.05    Intersportarena / Linz (Silbermond)   
24.06.05    Donauinselfest / Wien   
26.06.05    Niederkorn / Luxemburg (S?hne Mannheims, Vaya con Dios)   
14.07.05    Kurzauftritt im Rahmen des World Games / Duisburg   
12.08.05    Open Air / Schw?bisch Gm?nd   
13.08.05    Open Air / Coburg (Springer)   
14.08.05    OpenAir / Frankfurt/Oder   
26.08.05    Freigel?nde Stadthalle / Magdeburg   
27.08.05    Antenne MV Open Air / Ludwigslust   
28.08.05    Feldschl?sschen Open Air / Braunschweig   
23.09.05    Schupfard Festival / Schupfard bei Basel   
26.11.05    Berlin / Velodrom - WILLST DU MIT MIR GEHN Tournee 2005   
30.11.05    K?ln / K?lnarena - WILLST DU MIT MIR GEHN Tournee 2005   


NENA im TV

02.04.05    RTL "ECHO"   
03.04.05    RTL "Exklusive Weekend"   
11.04.05    SAT 1 "Fr?hst?cksfernsehn" mit Torgen Schneider   
16.04.05    RTL "100% Specials"   


NENA im Radio

03.04.05    22:00 Radio Fritz "Blue Moon"   
04.04.05    13:00 Radio Eins "NENA Special"   
04.04.05    16:25 104,6 RTL "Nachmittagsshow"   
04.04.05    17:00 Radio r.s. 2   
06.04.05    10:00 EINS LIVE   
06.04.05    14:00 Live IV f?r Radio NRW   
08.04.05    13:10 Live-IV "Mittagssendung"   
08.04.05    16:30 Live-IV im Bremen 4 U "Sch?nes Wochenende"   
10.04.05    09:00 Bayern 3 "Stars und Hits"   

but is the music done? is axl's head on straight? who knows.

2005, going, going, gone.

This is why I think we will get Chinese Democracy sometime at the end of 2005.  November maybe?

I hope so...but is your view based on hope or reason do you think??

Im pretty jaded cos we have all said this over and over for many yrs now.

Now this is getting redicilous. What are they waiting for? Will this album ever come out? I talked to Tommy myself..he expected things to gear up pretty quickly.

One thing is us, the fans, but just for how long will guys like Robin and Tommy wait for this? This is an endless time of waiting. Eventually they will leave because this album is still nowhere in sight.

Richard anounces a tour until September..that means 2005 basically gone out of the window when it comes to touring.

I have followed this band very close the past 4 years...as close as you possibly can, ask me whatever when it comes to the new GNR..I propably know it.

But this is way too much...at least Velvet Revolver can release an album and tour. Even Motley Crue with Vince Neil and Tommy Lee find time to join up and tour..even make a record!

I have my fair share of patience, but if nothing happens in 2005 then my patience has run out. End of story.

Good Question. I came home from Uni a few days ago and was reading through some old guns articles from old magazines. The thing that stood out the most were the comments made by Moby. After spending some time producing the album he told Axl that he had a finished album and should release it. That was back in 1999!!!

I just think Axl is a perfectionist, its like the editor of Rolling Stone said in Behind the Music. He is aiming at some sort of mythical perfection that just might not be achievable. He must think he has finished songs, go to bed, wake up listen to them again and realise there is something that needs changing, does it, goes to bed, wakes up, listens again then changes something else. Over and over. There is nothing wrong with this, he just needs to quit.  Im sure the finished product, if we ever get there is going to be amazing.

There could also be something we dont know about, something that is stopping Axl releasing the CD that hasnt got out into the public domain. Possibly to do with Clear Channel or even with Slash Duff etc. Maybe Axl wants to wipe the slate clean, get all his legal problems out of the way so he can get up on stage with the new material with a clear mind and put 150% into his performance. That of course means waiting until after November when the Slash/Duff case hopefully gets resolved.

I just really hope this CD doesnt become one of those great lost albums.

Jonx

What the fuck, I never really cared about the delays, but now its just insane...Dizzy and Tommy said they were looking for November of 2004, then they said February 2005, I dont know what could possibly be holding this album up.

Jack White just wrote, recorded, mixed and got a release date for an album in 20days.

copy that

and then when CD finally comes out you'll both still buy it and start posting here again

Well? So what? This is about waiting for the album. Read every god damn rumour on the internet, and discuss on the message board!
No one said thay would give up the music! Just concidering forget about all the rumours and do other things that could make some more sence!
So? Do you think that its only the people who "today" are fallowing the rumours on the net who will buy the album?

I don`t  understand ( like the rest of us) why it is taking so long and why so many missed rumored release dates?

Axl should hold a press conference for the fans at this point.

No thats not what I think I'm just saying that, even though you are saying you have no more patience, you (like me and many others here I'm sure) will probably still know all the rumors and still wait for the album to come out, and when it is finally released that you will buy it ASAP.

I gave up on any rumored dates long ago. When its gonna come we will hear something from Axl. If we don't hear from him then it ain't coming out yet. I'll still remain skeptical even after I hear official news. The only time I'm gonna beleive is when the fuckin' thing is in my hands. I have quite a few friends who still like GnR but they don't follow the rumors like me. They always make fun of me for following GnR still and trust me, I have taken part in Axl bashing myself, from frustration, of course. I mean come on how fucking long does it take to record an album for fucks sakes.

Hell, the band Down (Featuring Phil and Rex from Pantera and Pepper Keenan fron Corrosion of conformity) wrote, recorded and released their second album, "A bustle in Your HEdgerow" in less than a month, and the album fucking RULES!!! its not super heavy like you may think, more like a southern rock feel (In fact I highly recommend it, "Stained Glass Cross" is the best song from it, IMO).

Anyway my point is if they can record an album so fast, why the fuck can't one of the biggest rock bands ever do it? But it's just Axl's way and none of us is gonna make him release the damn thing before he's ready so why stress over it? I just come here every day and hope to see an official announcement and when I do I'll be excited. But until then I just laugh or shake my head at most of the topics. I got a pleasant surprise when I heard the IRS leak so that was cool, it sounds like a decent song too, which is reassuring. But, whatever, I didn't mean to offend, sorry.

Neemo

I guess we can only hope for a xmas release (that's possible imo).
But I think 2006 is more realistic :/

I'm getting tired of this shit. Every year the same procedure.

If we get a anouncement, this spring, Augst/september/october could be possability

That's very unlikely because on the release of the album will directly follow a tour. That's impossible if any members are touring till the end of the year.

what is directly following though? the next day?? unlikely.  what is a month or two following the release? Hype will be surrounding the single not a tour (if so desired). when they are ready to tour the Shit will hit the fan. I don't understand why people are saying no album 2005 when it's not even 25% over yet. (I try to remain a little optimistic :) )

Chinese Democracy is coming soon!  :hihi:

 :no:

     Call me crazy, but I think part of being a good manager is sometimes telling and pushing you're clients to do things they may not want to do, if it is in thier best interest. Sanctuary and Universal should be pushing Axl to release a record NOW...I get the feeling Merck just takes Axl's checks and only tells him what he wants to hear....I wonder if he does that with every band he manages... (I doubt it)
      I'm willing to bet that the band members not managed by Sanctuary are hearing from their own camps that it will probably be in their best intere$t to bail on this if no record or tour is done this year. None of these guys (save Axl) is worth multi-millions, and there are plenty of other things they can do (drum clinics ,production, solo recrods, touring with other bands) that may end up being more lucrative.
   And it looks like from responses in this thread, even the hardcore internet Axl-ites are getting fed up. Hey Merck, tell your client to get his ass in gear! You're about to lose big time.

P.S.: Props to Richard for getting a gig...he desreves to be out playing live...the man is insanely good : ok:

Amen  : ok:

Mysteron care for a comment?

To me I stick up on myspace.com for Axl and all his bashers. And its like why do I bother anymore. This is getting whacked. Like holy fuck we have to wait till now October for a possible release date. Doesnt he (Axl) realize he isnt getting any younger. And his music is going to be alot harder to get played on MTV and shit that appeals to a younger audience.

This ridicilous, like fuck talk to your fans already instead of leaving them in the dark. The man has alot of supporters and yes some people hate him but who cares. Us the fans want to hear something, some statement or whatever. Its been a year since your last statement. Now this is fucking ridicilous.

Part of being a fan is having faith in an artist and supporting them. My faith in Axl Rose is dimming as this year goes by. Like if 2005 isnt the year then what is? If you want a comeback why not just be like ok you know I'm going for it now, dont wait 6 months or a year from now when the tide is already in motion. It's like waiting for that crush you have, and you dont materialize on it and you keep on waiting and waiting and when you finally deciede to go for her, she now has a boyfriend and you blew your chances.

I personally hate to say it but I'm running out of patience as well never thought I would say it. But wow get it together man...

this is all rather crap.

holding on to some fake hope tho... maybe, just maybe fortus being away wont affect things too much. first of all, what are all those gaps about?! - gig, then month off, anothr gig or 2, another month off?!!!?!?!?

it could be possible for gnr to make an announcement this spring, single late summer (aug/sep) in time for album release in late september, and autumn tour? maybe...

this is rediculous!!!!  we can only hope for a christmas release now. :(

Nena's recent album (which richard plays on) was # 1 in germany and switzerland.

It's quite high profile over there

That's not the point. Of course I'll buy it. It got nothing to do with posting either. Ive been posting so much in the past at other boards that it's insane. Ive defended him, debated everything in the hope of this album coming out in it's fair share of time in the future. Now I just dont post anymore. Ive discussed everything twice already.

Im a patient man. Ive seen hundreds of people saying "fuck it, Im tired of waiting". Maybe they will buy it anyway, but their interest in this band is slim to nothing now. Will they ever get back that same enthusiasm as they had in 2001-2002? Will I? I really dont know anymore, and when even I start giving up then I dont give two cents for any of your "survival" either.

The truth is that this has taken too much time. No one can say otherwise. Maybe so much that he has lost the momentum he once had back in 2001-02-03. Because all this does is loosing fans by the numbers...and I dont think Axl would want that. The GNR forum I moderate had hundreds of posters back in 2000-2001-2002. They are all gone now. Some at other boards, a large numbers just vanished, gave up, didnt bother anymore, got tired of waiting. Who can blame them?

So sorry for being more geared up to see Motley Crue this summer than hoping for Chinese Democracy. My mate is 18 now. I realized that when I first heard about Chinese Democracy, I was 18 as well. Im 24 now.

I remember all the fuck yous used to fuel Axl back in the old days.

So here it is - Fuck you, man.