Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Im really surprised that, to my knowledge none of the shows have sold out?   Doesnt this surprise anyone else??  I was really thinking the would sell out rather fast... the floor seats whent fast in MN but there are still 5 star packages left also... I wonder how many of them there are?!~?!?!

Lessa

Doesn't surprise me in the least, I felt arenas were a bit too ambitious for VR when the tour was announced. 

They'd be smart to go on a co-headling tour with someone. Maybe Billy Idol or Wilco.

As much as I've always dug Idol, can't see the VR boys aligning themselves with a perceived nostalgia act. 

As for Wilco, they don't exactly have much arena rock appeal...

Should have been Jet, but they chose Oasis cause they are their idols.  Oh well.

I think Oasis is only playing 5 dates in the US so opening for their "idols" (which they've cited as AC/DC, not Oasis) is a non factor.

I can tell you one reason for the slow sales, and why ticketmaster hasn't taken $200 from my credit card yet; and that's Hoobastank.  Honestly, VR's own drummer publicly sites them as being bad music, and a month or so later he is out on tour with them.  Whatever VR gained in the Hoobastank fan base they lost in VR fans who saw through them, dare I say, "selling out".  What kind of self proclaimed "dangerous and unpredictable rock band" picks an opener who's only hit is The Reason. 

Now I know you don't go to a show for the opener (insert MMM and CKY joke here) but to say that you are something, have your own band member individually call out a band as being a shitty, and then the next thing you know they are asking $50 a ticket for you to go see them and, in case VR can't sell enough tickets on their own, their backup plan Hoobastank (oftly familiar with Metallica going with their backup plan - Godsmack).  I think I read in Rolling Stone last summer that Hooba's lead singer didn't drink, smoke, party, or do anything to raise trouble.  Seems kind of contradicting with a headliner who is "based" on the opposite of that. 

Maybe the reason for my rant is because I love VR's music, but just can't stand this fake image that they are portraying, and mainly that I can't ask my friends if they want to go with me cause they will just laugh at me when I tell them who else is playing. 

Better seats for you then!! I think part of the reason is because they are touring so much. This will be the 4th time in like 10 months that they played my area.

They should go out on the road with Queens Of The Stone Age : ok:

I give them credit for touring as much as they are. I mean, how many US tour legs have gotten themselves into? They haven't spent that much time in Europe ( they did last year for two months and this year's UK leg) but they've definitely played in every corner in the US.

Now as for the slow ticket sales, it doesn't surprise me either. I knew they were gonna have problems to sell out every gig. It's a big different going from 3,000 to 15,000. I don't how much the tickets are for this leg, but if the info supplied by the other poster is true, $50 for VR is way out of proportion. How much were the ticks for the first US tour leg? $30? Maybe in a few years time and with a few more albums, if VR keeps growing its fan base, an arena tour would be ideal, but right now it's out of their league.

i think they need to stick to venues of 4000 to 8000 peolpe unless they have a good opening act.  one thing that sucks about seeing showis in canada is that you usually get a canadian opening act.  sometimes it's okay but we miss some of the bigger acts that open groups in the u.s.  i peronally would have liked to see disturbed as the opener.  i think that would suit them better.  just my opinion.

chad

 :peace:

Good opening act or not, venue sizes as mentioned above would have been a much better decision.

Keeps the buzz about the show high, creates the perception of a "hot ticket'. 

Falcon, AC/DC is very influential to them.  But read their liner notes and you will see how much they like Oasis.  They can't be like AC/DC all the way unless they had the guitar player from Silvertide that can put down some Angus type licks.  Jet is a great band though. 

well, they've just done a tour, and they're starting another one four months later. It's too soon.

they could sell out these arenas if they played together with someone like QOTSA, but not with Hoobastank... it sound fuckin' stupid. Vr with Hoobastank... makes VR sound like some pop rock shit

What is so good about Jet? Is is the original song writing. Or maybe influencing iggy pop so much, that he had to take every chord and change up from "Are you gonna be my girl" and turn it into "Lust for Life"...It was so good, that He had to go back into time to do it.

well, I felt picking Hoobastank was truly unpredictable.  ;)

sales might also be slow for the show in saskatoon because it takes place next sunday (easter).  people might be out of town and such.  hope they put on a good show.

chad

 :D

To my knowledge, contraband has sold less than greatest hits, which imo means that their fan base is quite smaller. If Axl didn't manage to sell out arenas in the last tour (besides msg, boston, etc), neither will velvet revolver. Sure they will sell out some, but not on a regular basis.

Only very established acts (u2, the boss, rolling stones.....and gnr in the future with GOOD promotion and a new release in its belt) manage to do so on a regular basis. I wish them my best of course, but I think the arena tour comes a bit early for them.

Nicely said! VR has 3 Days Grace opening for em in Hamilton ON.......same type of band as hoobastank...comercial crap....who's opening the 2nd leg of the tour?....3 doors down,nickleback?  ::) 

I agree w/ the above...3 days grace is also SHIT and I'm ashamed that they opened for VR...and I highly doubt VR likes them!  perhaps these opening bands suck bc there aren't that many good rock bands out there to begin w/ (at the moment anyways). (as w/ hobi-stankers, they suck as well, and I also read that interview in R.S. mag, and yeah, they are lame-ohhhs!)

I felt, though, that at Hamilton, they had a lot of fans there, and they filled it out quite nice. IMO, I am quite surprised VR is doing...like come on...these are "mature" rockers....so it's quite impressive, I think anyways :)

VR should take Garbage on the road w/ them. : ok:

Based on what I heard and saw, Vr's tour across Canada got bigger as they moved east to west. I went to theMontreal show and it was about 5000 people there. However my buddy's in Edmonton went and they said it was nearly full, so about 13 - 14000. And As mentioned eariler Hamilton had a great turn out as well.

VR had zero promotion in Montreal, at least that's what some of the local people who went to the show told me. As for Ottawa well that I have my opinion on that but I won't say much about it.

I also think their turn single turn around isextremely slow, now this may be the record companies fault I don't know. But I do know that it's been approximately 5 months between the last 2 singles, which I feel personally can only hurt the band.

Rock is no longer the front leader in the music industry and these guys have to stay in the spotlight as much as possible.  Jesus Gwen Stefani released her album in November and has already released 3 videos.

But the American dates seem to be selling well, and, like everybody said a better opening act would definitely help.

On a side note people were talking about how VR used Canadian bands for the Canadian dates. Well there is this one band that I thought would been excellent although they are not well known but kick asss.  They're called and I kid you not,  Crystal Pistol.

Later,

Blair

They should have silvertide open for them again    ;)

That would be a helluva double bill, the new Garbage record is their best to date.

On a side note, former Janes Addiction member Eric Avery is Garbage's touring bass player these days.

Exactly, and they do the same set list, or almost the same. Maybe it is over-exposure to a limited amount of music (?)

They over saturated the market?

How Spinal Tap....  "We did massive, we saturated, we over saturated."  :hihi:




/jarmo

Silvertide should be the opener.  Nick Perri is the best guitarist since Slash and Zakk Wylde.   Saw them at a very small bar and I was blown away.  I just don't get why they have not caught on either.  If VR and Silvertide aren't big, chances are GNR won't be huge either.  Those days are long gone.  The jump to arenas may have been premature, but oh well, people that are going are having fun, and paying a good bit for tickets.  Next album and latter tours will be much better.  I will see VR next in Detroit on April 30th.  Jarmo, if what VR is doing is Saturation, what the heck would you call what Axl did?  Starvation?

Please advise,

Smoking Guns

Sure, call it what you want, but this has nothing to do with GN'R. Now, if GN'R were opening for a puppet show, you might have a point.





/jarmo

Puppet show! Ha, I love it!  I saw GNR at the Palace in Detroit in 02.  The show was amazing (except they didn't play Paradise City) and there was only about 10,000 at the show.  Seats over 20,000.  I hope VR gets at least 10,000.  VR is a visual band that you must see to appreciate.  They will catch on.  How many bands these days are playing bigger shows in support of their first album?  I can't think of one.  That includes AudioSlave.  Kid Rock put some buts in the seats, but not during the first album.  The crowds will get bigger over time.  Just like when GNR goes on tour again.

Ahhhhhh..............good to see i am no alone in the wtf are they doing with hooastank department. just yesterday i had to cringe when asking my friend if he wanted to go to the rockford show & the first thing he asked was '"who's opening?". i told him VR has to have clean bands tour with them so VR doesn't have bad influences backstage. Needless to say, we'll be showing up late to the show.

yes, it is odd that matt & duff seem to always put on this we're still dangerous attitude, then announce hoobastank! as their opening act. I guess money still talks.

I dig Silvertide as well, but they've kind of been tagged a poor mans Buckcherry without the success of a "Lit Up".  NIck's a fine player but let's leave the Slash and Zakk comparisons alone, that's just goofy talk.  Gotta pay some dues to get mentioned with that kind of company.

You are right. You do have to pay the dues.  But the kid really impressess me and is pretty dam cool.  He is only 19!!!!!!  Actually, you can tell Angus, Slash, and Zakk are big influences to him.  He seems very versitile.  If anyone here has ever heard Brother Cane, that is who Silver Tide reminds me of.  But even Brother Cane had three top 10 rock hits off their debut.  You are right about the poor man buckcherry.  I love Buckcherry as well and wanted Josh Todd in the band.  I think SilverTide's main issue is that the singer has a great voice but he is a major dork.

I agree. They are amazing live. The word will spread. I would  pay to see them every month  if they came to town!

I agree. You know, when my friends  and  I saw VR twice in '04 in small venues, I remarked that it was similar to seeing GNR in '88, before they hit the big time. I still believe it. In a year or two VR will be doing arenas and selling out. For those who take any compliment of VR as an assault on GNR, I do not want to get into the VR vs. GNR or Axl vs Slash argument that has been done ad naseum on this site. I am just saying that  it was an opportunity to see an up and coming band in a small venue for a great price, and that band  will probably go on to do some great things before they are done. VR is destined to become bigger, and that is separate from whatever happens  to GNR and Axl. For the fans, that is a good thing, and we should be  happy.

it's pretty simple, vr isn't  a huge band.. They are to big for 2,000 seaters but a little to small for 20,000 seaters so they have to play giigs that are to big for them.. They get about 5-10 k at venues so for a band with no big videos on tv now or any big publicity it's pretty good.. As for hoobastank I am not into them but they need someone who is somewhat popular today to help them play.. You can't just tour with unknowns..

I'm saying vr is a new band wether they have accomplished players who had massive fame back in the day.. They as in VR need an opening act to help them sell tickets.. Now if the band was called guns n roses or stp they wouldn't need this help, but not everyone knows what or who velvet revolver is.. When axl gets back he won't need much help because the gnr name has a cult following and people will just go see them.. Change that band name to something else and axl would need help himself..

Hoobastank is definetly more mainstream ,they are young somewhat into the popular emo music scene so that helps.. You can't tour with someone too popular or the venue will be filled with more fans of the opening group.. They only have one album and it's not afd so they need some help with arenas right now.. 20,000 a night is no easy thing, only big time groups can sell like that..

I was at the Detroit show.  The floor was sold out.  Bottom level looked sold out.  Upper level had a good bit.  So I am guessing there were over 10,000 there.  That is pretty impressive for a band that only had one album.  They will be huge in 06.

that isn't the same, if you are listening to the radio adn someone says velvet revolver is playing a gig you might not know who is in the band, you say gnr is playing the average person thinks well I want to see that, it's great the band is back together..

Only a fool would think the gnr name doesn't carry all the weight and will not only false advertise the new guys but give them extrra clout they wouldn't get with a different name..

Not many people who enjoyed the gnr glory days follow all these details, just like I don't check all the old bands I followed.. I just see metallica, motley crue, megadeth, anthrax or whoever else and already think the band is what the name claims.. I don't go around checking band members so if I went to one of their concerts and saw new guys it would be a suprise to me..

All those people from the 80's-90's who followed gnr in their generation are not so into it now that they are keeping tabs on who is in or who is out.. It's product of your youth, your HS years.. Someone sees GNR is playing they really expect GNR to be there..

First time Sabbath come to Greece. I've already got my ticket.
Many greeks love Metal, and imagine we're only 10 million people. :hihi:

either way there is only one gnr and they have passed, no need to pass on this band as gnr.. I never knew because the guy sings it automatically made him  leader... Gnr is that big product that made a great wordlwide sellable name for itself.. Just like any product that was bui;lt with blood sweat and tears.. Take an example of something like gucci, great product, has a great reputation.. Now they could sell gucci and any old person could make them now and it would still sell big time.. It's name has become so big that the people in the public don't even care or no anymore but they will still buy it because of the name.. Wether it's seeing gnr or buying a gucci it's all the same, name is biger then anyone involved.. New gnr will do good but because of it's past well marketed reputation..

Well we don't see eye to eye anyways..

vr mentioning gnr is not near actually using the name gnr as the title of the band.. Vr has more gnr members then gnr :hihi:

you really think I follow their leadership skills, or listen to the music..

The reason everyone jumps if axl surfaces is because he is a bizarre recluse, people also jump for tyson and wacko jacko but nowadays it's all for their weird behaviour over their former talents.. Same reason marlon brando got such attention, bizarre recluse who was once great..

no mixmaster mike :hihi:

who slash? he is not an ORIGINAL member of guns. He replaced Tracii remember  : ok:

That is so lame when people say that.  Slash has been on every Gn'R ever released except Oh My God and maybe My World..... Tracii has been on NONE..

I never said anything about releases. Im just pointing out that slash was a replacement. Something slash fans will never acknowledge.

I like Slash & I'll acknowledge that Tracii Guns was  the original lead guitarist for some band no one had ever heard called GnR. Then things happened, Slash hooks up with Axl/Izzy, then he helps write some of the greatest songs ever written & GnR becomes huge. So what's the big deal?

Yeah for a whole few months.. Yeah and rob garnder is the drummer player.. The people you have on your first albums are the people that are members of the band/... That is just idiotic the band's lineup was never finalized until they got a record deal adn that was with the 5 on axl's arm... You juggle the lineup when forming  a band then the guys a tthe end are the right people.. You can't call someone a replacement whent he band had just started and was a bunch of nobodies..

Because traci is so known for his work on gnr..
Next thing cb will be saying traci is the best guitar player gnr ever had, while there he accomplished everything :rofl:

Never mind him dude, he's a gnr fan that hates everyone except axl, he just trolls the vr section to say his useless comments because his boys can't get it together, plus he has a massive man/boy crush on robin finck.. :hihi:

Get back on topic.




/jarmo

ok I hate hoobastank and 3 days grace, but as I said before vr are a new group so they ned someone who is mainstream and has some audience already to help them get more people in the arenas/.. I also mentioned vr are in a middle stage, a little to big for small venues and not big enough for large venues, but you have to go larger to expand even if you can't fill all the seats.

They also have to pick someone semi popular but not overly popular.. They might not like hoobastank or 3 days grace but they just need some group people know..

Ok troll just keep following me and bashing vr or slash every other second.. 

By the way it was to just get back on topic, ok genius....

Maybe when axl comes around you can have something to do with your life.. : ok: