Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I took the clip comparing a section of Axl playing piano to a section of the orchestrated piece (thanks MetaSoul) and tinkered with it. Off the bat, you can tell the pitches are near identical. The difference, though, is that they have different tempos. To check if they truly fit, I stretched the piano to give it the same tempo as the orchestrated piece. In the mp3 below, they are first played side by side, then overlaid. It's a clear match. In my book, this is definitive proof that the (rough?) orchestral arrangement of TWAT has been leaked. This is not a coincidence.

http://fire.prohosting.com/penz/proof.mp3
 (http://fire.prohosting.com/penz/proof.mp3)

To those that say Axl is playing piano while the piece is violin, keep in mind that the piece was probably written on a synth keyboard by Axl, and later orchestrated.

Doesn't work :(

works for me, but some ppl have had problems with the server in the past

It works for me its not much of a leak even if its real though still nothing from Axl or the rest of the band is on it.

StoneTempleRoses

It works! Its a small clip you had..maybe 35 seconds?
Damn it really sounds the exact same. Where is Axl playing the piano in this? Was it a concert in the last tour?

You may be on to something! I am no music expert ...but that is very fitting! :o

I must admit that those two pieces really do fit together and sound very much alike.  :o

Damn i can't download it... If I do a right click and Save as it wants to save to .htm  :nervous:
But I believe you and I say you: good work visionary432   :peace:

Just click the file and wait a moment and a quicktimeplayer will turn up.

But, I must be stupid. Which song is this???

don't right click
just regular click
then regular click again on the link on the page that opens
then a window pops up that asks you to choose to open or save
click save

i believe the piano piece is Axl playing the piano intro to november rain (as played on the 02 tour)
but as visionary432 says he adjusted the tempo to match the other piece

It does sound about the same.  Is this clip from the November Rain intro on the '02 tour? 

Could someone send me the file please? loretian@sp1at.com  My default media player doesn't understand the file, and since I can't save it locally, I can't try any other mp3 players I have.

still don't work, no window pops up and I have blocking pop ups on my browser unchecked.

Hey, if this is true then I deserve a huge hug from everyone in this forum; I remember thinking way back that a vocal melody could be fit snugly in with the piano melody. I could hear the words 'there was a time' accompanying that piece of music.

ummmm......so if this is true.....where did this piece of music originate? who leaked it? I remember we received rumors that the label was pressuring a release by going forward with a GH and, in lieu of that failure, leaking some of the CD tracks.

Merck was very quick in quashing this rumor. Could there be some truth behind this track's authenticity?

www.yousendit.com  :P

If it is legit, my guess is this is a synthesized version of the stuff Axl wanted orchestrated, probably sent to Buckmaster or someone. ? To get the orchestration from Buckmaster (or whomever), he either had to send him actual musical notation, or something like this. ?Once a track like this leaves Axl's inner circle, it's much more likely to leak.

listen to that: http://s32.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1LLET7ZRG6K1S3639FUZ9BYF1I

This is not absolute proof by any means...change the title.

Thank You. It sounds the same.

I gotta admit .. I dont really like it (in the context of a GNR album)

I actually play music similar to that on my own piano and all but I'm hoping this isnt the kinda stuff that makes it onto the democracy album.  :nervous:

Just because you think it's the same thing doesn't make it proof.

Many people thought "My Favorite Pillow" was a GN'R track....



/jarmo

You are right about that. Maybe Axl played some chords of his favourite video game  :P

Its either Axl, or someone that knew to match the piano solos so that it would compare to past material.

Saul, I think this is just a layer of a song. Put some drums and guitars on top of it, I bet it will sound alot more like a Guns song. Plus this is supposed to be a very heavy track, I don't know if axl has written something as emotionally truthful as this, outside of the mysterious This I Love track.

is it proof? Well, I really think those tracks sound alot.

Hey!
Be carefull with saying anything is 100%real! U know how many songs in the world who includes the chords G - D - C for an excample!
But yeah, is sounds simular

Yeah.. that's a good point.  It's just going down a scale, with one or two other notes being played for each chord.  It's not like this is a particularly unique piece of music (this part of the song, anyway).  I asked my roommate, who is a music major, to give it a listen and tell me if he thinks those notes or the semitones between them are common enough that it could just be a coincidence.  Hopefully he'll shoot me a response soon.

For fuck's sake I'm desperate to hear a live studio track, start to finish, solos, vocals the works

Doesn't anyone think its sad that we've reached the point of debating and technically analysing the authenticity of a scrap of what may or may not be GNR? Especially when there's probably hundreds of hours worth of riffs, synth music, sound effects and buckethead solos lying around somewhere?

I just hope that anyone connected with GNR who maybe reading this site actually pities us as opposed to laughing at our expense.

Rant over.

Wait a minute...

GnR doesn't sing "my favorite pillow"?????


 :hihi:

I would say Estranged was a heavy song, if by heavy, you mean deep and emotional. Estraged was very melodic and beautiful instrumentally as well.

This music though if real, is boring comparitivly. When I heard TWAT being discussed in the past, it sounded like it would be powerful. For the sake of arguing, let's say that it is, and let's say that it is the deepest GNR track yet. Then whats that say about the Blues? The Blues is cool, but I imagine its along the same lines. This seems a little cheese. 2 slow emotional ballads on one single album serving the same purpose. I dig Madagascar but that is also an emotionally deep, but slow track. Why is CD going to be home for this? I liked hearing that CD was going to be closer to Appetite then what people would expect.

I don't want half of my precious CD being filled with slower tracks. I hoped CD would kick everyone, the fans and the doubters, in the balls. I hope Rhiad wasnt bumped off the tracklist to make room for another ballad. And musically, if this is real, TWAT couldnt sound any puffier to me. Damn, I need some good GNR news soon. Between the silence and this rumored leak (that just sounds gay), this is again some dark times.

Does sound similar.... food for thought I guess

Wow because these two sound the same it means it was be twat.
Well did the beatles write hair of the dog because the riff sounds a lot like day tripper?

BTW if someone was gonna fake this, you dont think the would use a old song from the UYI tour? Hell I could redo that piano thing on the making of estranged vid on my computer and call it a demo of this i love, does it mean its true? NO. OH one more thing if this was legit, you really dont think Axl would have a cease and disist order to take it off the net by now?

my precious CD?
haha!
*in voice of golum* ?my precious... my preeeciouuuus

 ;D

whatever is going to be on it - its safe to assume it'll be Axl's precious! ?;)

I must say they do sound close but that remains to be seen

when was the piano clip taken from... the UYI tour?

I know this may seem off the wall (but in the GnR world nothing suprises me), but the first minute and 10 seconds seems very similar to Apocalypse Now Special Edition. The part of the movie is where Sheen is at the French colony with that young French widow.

I haven't seen it in a while...but it seemed somewhat familiar. Anyone recall this part? I have the movie somewhere and will check it out tonight. Its probably not..but who knows?   ???

Good reaserch but im still not positive and dont really care because i wanan hear the real thing off the album

to whom would he send that, Jarmo eh or the guy in serbia which of course threw in his address while posting this?

Couple things:

It's not orchestrated.  Except for the first 1:13, it's entirely synthed. Orchestration would imply there were mutliple instruments being played.  There isn't.  It's one synth, laying multiple tracks. 

The first 1:13 is actually 2 tracks (at least).  One is a "clean" piano track, the other is synth's.  I THINK (but can't prove) that the piano track existed independantly, at one point, and the synths were "added".  Whether they were clicked in by the original artist or not is a question I can't answer.

Given that Merck has supposedly said it's bogus, and given it sounds very much like a piece either "inspired" by the original piano loop OR created for electronic use (thus the synths and digitization, which compress better than "live" loops), I choose to believe it's fake.

I listenned to the Apocalypse Now section. It is synth's and is 'somewhat' similar to the first minute and 10 seconds. 
I doubt there is a connection. Its weird actually, I remember so many parts of music from movies etc.   :o

I agree it is fake - but at least we have something to talk about!! Well and the 80's survivor was funny today too.....

You guys are jumping the gun like whoa..I don't think they sound alike. It is way fake.

great ear visionary432 -  its a perfect match as far as the melody is concerned.  It has to be twat.  There is no way the melody could be that exact.  I could care less about the tempo.  He just wanted to fit it in and make it work for NR.   This is fucking cool.  I cant wait for CD.

we're like a man walking the sahara desert and we're desperate for water that we drink sand believing it's water...

where did the Axl playing the piano come from?

wow i cant believe ppl think this is legit.

Well if it is real, I like it a lot.  I can just imagine Axls voice in there and making it great.  For those of you who don't like it, it wouldn't be any different than November Rain.  Let's face it, the new GNR record isn't going to be all heavy and hard like appetite.  Axl has grown up, he's not in his early twenties anymore. 

forgive them for seeing a mirage... we all make those mistakes, including yourself... you are not a perfect being...

It definetely 'fits' with the piano parts...

                                                               ...BUT...
                       
                                                                             ... Keep in mind that someone with a little too much time in his/her hands could've recorded this so it would fit the piano impromptu played by Axl, in the first place.


Rock on ppl.
 :beer:

this sounds like something that you'd hear on Star Wars or something.

I don't believe this is TWAT.

Besides, Merck said it was FAKE, yet people on here still want to believe it is the REAL DEAL.

Why is it that GNR fans can't accept reality and can't accept what Merck says? 

I can't believe you people think Merck just said it was fake to cover 'the leak' up.
 ::)

It also sounds like something at Ringling Brothers Barnum and Bailey Circus like the intro before the circus starts and the parade of elephants around the 3 rings.

i think it's real

EDIT: post retracted -  Looked into more heavily - I can honestly say I fucked up a little for once. I took a report from a 3rd party that, in which, still confusses me. but I did follow through to the lead with help. Note I didn't publish it as news

Sincerely BP gunsnroses.us / chinesedemocracy.com (sooner)

well said, homes.

you've been on the gnr boards before? can't say I've seen ya :)

I'll be away for most of the next few days.....  but don't wait up


lol

what exactly are you saying? 

I seriously hope this is not a new Guns N' Roses song. Even if it's just one layer of instrumentation, it sounds all fable-like and video game-ish. :no: For example, hearing Estranged on the piano only is endearing, deep, and melodically powerful (and that's just one layer of music), but this......this....this seems to be crap to me. (imo)

If this is real don't expect the song to sound like this at all, this is (probably) just a rough cut to give the musicians an idea of what they should play.

Again, if this is not BS.

true, he actually thought MyFavoritePillow was Axl and guns n' roses! :rofl:

I agree. I hope it's not GN'R.

I hope it is GN'R. Once again, if it is true, it's certainely a rough demo, add guitars, bass, Axl on vocals, keybord + arrangements and you will have a complete song.

BTW,I like this TWAT orchestration,hope it's true

"You can't handle the truth"

it's almost certainly NOt real. if you remeber the NYTimes article where they said the recording had so far cost an estimated $13 million and axl had bought in numerous computer systems etc. then listen to this so called 'leaked' orchestration!!!! i could record something like that in a few hours on my home synth!

it's laughable to think that axl would make music of this standard after all this time.

plus: isn't it just a bit of a co-incidence that the music is the same or similar to a little live piano intro axl did years ago (which was probably just improvised at the time) and also that there's "conviniently" no vocals on it?!!!

that 'madagascar' cover recording is more believeable than this. it's a nice bit of music, but a leak from a $13 million pound GNR album it aint!

I'm still waiting for an answer about where that friend from Serbia got the recording from.....

Is it true, is it fake? who knows, but almost anything (without silkworms) with axl?s voice in it will make my day. if you add guitars, drums, bass and axl?s voice,it'll be a great song, but I would say the same if he puts the voice to almost anything.

By the way, in my opinion it's a fake.

Are we sure this isn't a leak from Coldplay?? :rofl:

Im with BP on this one. I think it is a leaked copy of the TWAT orchestration. Whether it will be used on cd or not remains to be seen. Does anyone else remember Dizzy saying there are different versions of all the new songs?  : ok:

Yeah, it could be one of the rejects.　I wouldn't be surprised if the NR rain composer wrote this rough demo, still?

Have our geek mates mailed that Final Fantasy composer to check out the "Leak"piece yet?

Yes, Axl is able to write a thing like that. the whole "November Rain" song shows how talented Axl is as a songwriter. ESpecially the end, it's like a symphony for me. It's grandiose.

That's the problem. I don't necessarily need CD to be all balls to the wall. But it needs to have at least a thick atmosphere and a heavy melodic vibe if its going to be slower. With this and the Blues on the same album, is only going to set itself up for some abuse. I may like both but not on the same album. Madagascar has a cool heavy feel, but its a slower track. Godwilling if this music we hear now is really a part of TWAT, then it better be the beginning of it,before the real ass kicking shit kicks in. Contrast is sometimes cool in rock songs.

Not a fake... This could be easy to check.  Offspring could take this track and make it to be their "own" Do you think that Axl?s lawyers would do something if this would happen ... ? This is the first official leak. This leak is from gnr camp. Why?
Well, why now? Why not 3 years ago? We all know that Beltrami has surely signt a deal to not distribute. If this was leak
from him, he would be out of work and money in no time. So this is not from him. Same goes to all possible participants of
GNR regarding CD. This got to be a test, someone is reading these comments... Yes? AXL?


                  ....Me 

btw, I really like the piano intro in the beginning. The first 23 secodns of it. The volume is a bit low there but it's beautifull. Anyways.

It would be funny if this was a fake and Axl made it in 10 minutes for fun. He would go something like "wahaha you like this? wait till you hear the real deal."  :hihi:

naah all joking aside. This is a very nice piece of music.

 :D Yeah, a nice piece....Still I suspect the FF composer might be a writer...
:D if this is really Axl's hand, I'm afraid the first official leak should be the BH solo and the NR intro on the boots. Bisides, someone said they had heard this a year ago.
:D He first started music from proper piano lessons, yes? like from Beyer for kids?
If so his musical origin is more or less classical. Many Piano kids try their fav pop/rock songs on piano to impress their parents or teachers. :hihi:  They want to share the joy with their beloved grownups but usually fail. :-\

IF BP says there may be substance to it, I believe him.  I met him before a VR show in Philly and he seemed like a stand up guy.  I personally haven't even checked out the orchestration yet, and not sure if I will bother.  If it had vocals I would.

You can still check out the mp3 at:

http://www.sp1at.com/TWAT.mp3

We have removed the Guns n Roses label from the song on the request of the band's management.

Could someone post this song here the way you did with that 2002 radio promo for CD? I'm on webtv and can't hear it.

This is not real and here is why.... at first when listening, I was open minded, and thought that it may be real as well, but upon careful listens I concluded that it is a fully finished piece of music, and there are no guitars to add to it. Why? Because there already are guitars on it. At about 2:10 you can clearly hear MIDI guitar strumming that comes in. I work alot with recording music, and I am in the middle of a MIDI project right now, and it is clear as day that those are supposed to be "steel string guitar" strums. Therefore, I see no reason why Guns would record crappy MIDI guitars into this mix. It must be a finished piece from somewhere else

AGAIN, WHERE WAS THE PIANO SOLO TAKEN FROM??

if its the 2002 tour then maybe?? but if its the UYI tour its a coincidence

This is fake, and I am absolutely 100% sure of it.? I understand BP's reasoning, but there's more to it.

But to address the above two points, anyway, though:
1) The synth guitars could just be for an example?of where the guitars would go, just because it's all synthesized now doesn't mean this is necessarily the final track....
2) Regardless of when the solo was taken from, the notes that are being played for that particularly part of it are common enough that even if they did match perfectly (which they don't), it still doesn't mean much.? I think it's triad???? ?I could be wrong.

sp1at spoke to dizzy and brain and they both said it's fake

so if anyone wants to flog me it's reynics@earthlink.net

:)

I've been asking the same thing.

Its not real god why are some people so naive.

it sounds like something from one of the final fantasy games.

thats what i thought in the beginning too "sounds like something from a role playing game like final fantasy 7 or 8"

i guess i should have kept thinking that :)

I am a HUGE Final Fantasy fanatic, and as a fan of all Nobuo Uematsu's works, I can say that this is not anything from Final Fantasy. If you actually listen to the background of November Rain, the orchestrated part, you'll see it has a similar sound. As a matter of fact, you can barely hear the orchestra in the song anyway, and I'm sure it will be the same case here.

it's clearly been recorded in MIDI, (which no self respecting artist would use to made a demo) it's a fake...and a bad one! I think some people are so desperate for CD to come out that they'll cling to any old piece of crap attributed to Axl. Please don't embarrass the good GNR name by claiming that after all these years of recording all Axl's managed to do is a few MIDI files!!

Posted on: Today at 04:16:25 AMPosted by: iloozion 
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it's clearly been recorded in MIDI, (which no self respecting artist would use to made a demo) it's a fake...and a bad one! I think some people are so desperate for CD to come out that they'll cling   

Don`t want to offend you but this is not MIDI. Go and check-up your ears man...555-12-365 is nomber of my doctor. Enjoy...

Not to get too far off topic here, but I don't think either of you know what MIDI is.

MIDI is not sound, and pretty much all professional musicians use MIDI for electronic music.  MIDI is just notes - how the notes are rendered, or synthesized is completely up to the musician.  For example, if you synthesize MIDI notes with your computer sound card, ie, like downloading a MIDI file off the Internet, it will sound like shit.  However, you could take that same MIDI file and synthesize it with SampleTank, and you'd have something that sounded really good.

So, the point is, it's still fake, but you guys have no idea what MIDI is, and all your MIDI comments are irrelevant.   : ok:

Exactly.


Although, I don't think you people should be so quick to dismiss this as fake. I could see this becoming a song very easily. It's only the orchestral part, and probably a rough at that. Who knows if it's going to be used, but if you've ever listened to November Rain you should know this sounds familiar. Not the melody, but just the fact that Axl has used orchestration in the past. Something has to leak sometime. But why it would be this now is beyond me. Is it a fake? Probably. But I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if this, or some rendition of this, made it on the album.

That's not the reason I'm dismissing it as a fake, though.  I could easily see it being part of a song, but there's other evidence which pretty much makes it 100% certainly fake, within all reasonable boundaries of logic.

I'm beginning to think Chinese Democracy is fake.

I have played every FF game and yes it sounds like something from one of the games.? How many FF games have you played?  Here is a FF song http://ffmusic.ffshrine.org/ff7midis/ff7-3-19-aerith's_theme.mid you dont think this so called gnr song sounds like it would go on a FF game?

again.
Any volunteers?

is there really a need to start a who's FF-cock is bigger fight?
There's a difference between saying "it sounds like something that would be on a ff game" versus "I can say that this is not anything from Final Fantasy".

So unless you can find that exact song from FF, your point is useless.

No my point is not useless, this track sounds like something from a video game like FF. Its really pathetic a lot of people are freaking out thinking this is a gnr song.

your point was a direct response to gunsnhalen, and you responded by essentially putting words in his mouth. all he said was that it wasnt from a FF game. he didnt actually say it didnt sound LIKE one of those games. many people in this thread have already said it sounds LIKE a ff game- you dont need to keep hammering the point.

that said, you never addressed his comments that it sounds LIKE the orchestra from nov. rain. i agree with him that it does sound LIKE that. but that doesnt mean i think it IS from gnr.

exactly. i don't think it's really possible to say just because it doesn't sound like something you think would be on a gnr album, that it couldn't have been related to the song.

we have ZERO idea what kind of shit axl is working over there, so judging on the sound is pointless.

plus, axl is all about using the new technologies, so, to think that he might write parts of things on midi to explain how he wants it to be played isn't crazy.

but yeah, the evidence definitely rules out it having a chance, as sp1at directly heard from brain and dizzy that it isn't real

1. I never get caught up in rumors ....  never Unless I am able or Allowed to quote facts from a direct source (bandmate, management, & a few others that don't apply to this thread)

2. I hinted I got info, but could not reveal the source.

 with this being said - I'm out


 my bad -BP

that's my point!! it HAS clearly been recorded with MIDI (like i said) and the synthesizer/soundcard/whatever used to PLAY that MIDI file has shit sound. surely if axl was to made an orchestrated demo he'd use a decent strings sample - especially as he's reportedly spent so much money on computer equipment. that's what makes me believe that this 'leak' has actually been recorded by some kid on a casio keyboard using a live axl piano part as inspiration.

While I'm not going to say whether I believe it's Axl, GNR, or whoever, it sounds like 'November Rain', and besides, no one can prove either way. Dave, you can deny it until the cows come home, but unless you give it to Axl and he tells you he's never heard it, there's no sense in saying it's definitely not his...

Here's some comments from Merck and Brain on the song.

http://www.sp1at.com/item.php?id=196

On top of that, Dizzy said it was fake...

Dizzy's comment is on the Sp1at "News" forum if you are interested.

It sure as shit better be fake. There better not be any gay shit on CD.

so you consider use your illusions gay?

No. I wouldn't say the UYI's were gay. But there was some gay shit on them. Having two versions of any songs, slow songs even, is gay. Get in the Ring was gay. The last half of Breakdown was gay.

Anyway, I am a GNR fan that likes my GNR and Axl to do what they do best. And that is to kick the shit out of everyone. An overreliance of slow tracks on a GNR album is gay. One slow track on an album is enough. If there is to be another slower track it better be tripped out like Madagascar. UYI 1, having November Rain and Don't Cry, is overkill for me, and because of the many misteps on both the albums, I can't ever listen to them straight through. I am always skipping to one track to another. I pray I won't be doing that for CD. I can easily listen to Appetite Straight through.

godamn, give us something real then to let us talk about

 :rant:

Do you know what's really gay? Two men having sex.

"Do you know what's really gay? Two men having sex."


You know what's really, really gay? Two men having sex while listening to TWAT.

Yeah I suppose it is.  :hihi:

I understand you wrote that ---   but I have a friendly question because everybody writes different & some even mix there own opinion within (not suggesting you by any means, but people do).  I just would like to get a read on how you write.

1. Did all three >> Dizzy Reed, Brain, & Merck say this was not a "GNR Song" directly to you without a third party relaying the information to you?

thanx :)

-BP

Yes.  : ok:

I can forward the emails to Jarmo if you want. Except for Brain's which I deleted by mistake!  ::)

Budha_Master are you even a Guns n Roses fan? If you say that the Use your illusions albums is gay, I think there's something wrong in your head.

thanx...  & no need. U got a PM though  ;)

-BP

Uh, dude, did you even read what I wrote? I am an old school fan. With that comes the accceptance that not everything is and has been roses with GNR and the music they have given us. I never said the UYI's were gay.

Mateoson, asked me the same question and I explained it. The UYI albums have what I would call masterpieces on them. But the UYI albums are not masterpieces. That is just being straight up and real. For years we have had discussions on here regarding these problems, and I know you havent been around long enough to take part in them. If the best off 1 and 2 were put into one album instead of what we have, it would be a pretty damn perfect album.

Being a GNR fan doesnt mean I have to like everything that GNR has fed me and take a blinds eye to things that were really lame and gay. For instance (and I will tie this back into the thread):

The last part of the Get In the Ring Tour got way to bloated and "gay." They got back into being pretty, making sure their hair was blow dried just right, had bitches playing trumpets, flutes, and whatever else they thought added to a Rock show. It pretty much became that in which GNR first helped destroy with the gay Rock acts of the 80's and allowed bands like Nirvana to come along and get popular because they were more dirty and real.

Musically, the mistakes in UYI are pretty debatable. Most agree that there is prroblems but the funny part is, is that people dislike different things which speaks volumes. I talked about some in my response to Mateoson but I have more problems with them. Regardless, I still think Axl is the topdog and the man, his voice, his music, and his words, effects me like no other living artist today. GNR's best work, is far better then the best music by pretty much any other artists (except for me, the Beatles).

So to answer your question bro. I am a GNR fan. I take the good with the bad. So what kind of fan are you, to even question me based on my words you have read?

And yea GNR or not, just based on this piece of rumored music from TWAT we have heard. It sounds very gay.

Your killing me here man...! Too funny.
 :rofl:

It's 100% fake. I've just listened to that thing, and I immediately recognized the track "The great escape", from the album called "Brave", by Marillion (one of my favourite bands).  :peace:

www.marillion.com

Axleu - 100% true...just checked it out....
Here
http://songs2.allofmp3.com/mcatalog.shtml?group=5353&album=16&albref=14

track numba 12...you can preview it....by pressing the button to the right of the bitrate.....

Damn....I started to hope already.....damn :'(

I like your avatar axleu

Told you guys it wasnt gnr.

What's left to talk about?  :rofl:

shit guys, sorry about this. my bad ;/

Atleast it's been cleared up now. Thanks Farmer and axleu for the links.

My pleasure!

It will be funny to look at the reactions on the marillion.com forum. I've registered today (for the second time, I forgot my pseudo AND my password...), but I'll be able to talk Marillions fans about that only in two or three days...

Going on the record that days ago I retracted a hinting comment I made. I was in the middle of looking into words & quotes from a 3rd party at the time.

Everybody should thank Ginger for following through with the report she wrote for splat. I think I'm in love....

-BP  :peace:

MIDI is a standard used for compatibility of sounds, not quality of the sound...there was a time when casio keyboards didnt have MIDI...and even the highest quality digital synths still use MIDI...

I think we can end this right here.


It's NOT GN'R.




/jarmo