Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Ok, i think this is a fake but the music is very beautiful. It`s only orchestral instrumental but info about mp3 is to curiosity. The song is from 2001, from Chinese Democracy CD 1, track 8, lurycs by W. Axl Rose, arr. P. Buckmaster or something like that. This is from my friend from e-mail and i don`t know how to upload to server you can hear it. Don`t blame if this is a fake i`m just a delivery boy. This song is different by other CD fakes in net. Sounds more profesional and in the end is almost like November Rain or near like that. I`ll try to upload it but if i can`t do it pls tell me what i should do to make this possible to show you.

Email me the song, and I'll upload it.

kecleveland@msn.com

First leak ?? ;D
Lyrics by Axl Rose but Orchestral Version ?  :P

www.yousendit.com, then post the download link!!!

Jonz

The idea of a an incomplete track already having a track number makes me think it is fake.  E-mail it to anarchygnr@gmail.com and I'll upload it somewhere for everyone to decide.

WHY is he taking so long +?


 :-X ???

I`m posting it on e-mail here...don`t know why take it so long. soory i dont know how to upload it o server. About the lyrics i realy don`t know waht to say. Has a told before i think it`s a fake but who knows.

Posted by: kcleveland 
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Email me the song, and I'll upload it.

kecleveland@msn.com  

Shit it don`t works. Give me some fucking e-mail to send this bitch. Sorry i`m not a pc genius. I receive this song from Serbia from a friend who is a big GNR fan - don`t ask where it takes...i don`t know. What i should do?

Try using the "forward" option in your e-mail program to just send your friend's e-mail to someone else's address. That should automatically send the mp3 file as well. Feel free to send it to me if you want: gguaglia@ic.sunysb.edu

ok i send it here: kecleveland@msn.com  ands here anarchygnr@gmail.com. I hpe you receive it soon.

probably fake.....
Axl always swallow what they recorded to when he feels right to record again, throw up... so, the chances of this MP3 is real is "one in a milion baaabe.... wooaaahhhh..."

Or the reject found in the bin?
Ta, dENIS. I think Jonx's link is quicker.

You can upload it here:

http://rapidshare.de/

Even a monkey can do it: just choose the file on your pc, click on "upload", wait and then copy and paste the link here.

Let's do it right  8)  admin@gunsnroses.us   : ok: I'll upload it & get the team on it

-BP

share this song on emule (in your emule folder) very simple.
thanks :beer:

Yes dENIS! Send it to BP. He'll have it up fast and everyone we'll be able to download the song. :yes: : ok:

so what's up? can somebody host it on yousendit.com?
thank you

dude...  BP will have it up in 2 minutes if there is indeed a recording & has enuff bandwidth to outlast all the sites just mentioned above so everybody can see.  end post -BP

wtf?  did anyone hear it yet?

Still waiting... any news on this?

/Aaron.

Ok i`m ready here it is... http://rapidshare.de/files/858673/TWAT.mp3.html Intro sounds like Queen to me ???? :o. Sorry for take it soooo long...I`m gonna kicking ass of this son of a bitch if this is a fake from Sofia to Belgrad ...I`ve always think that TWAT and No Love Remains is a different songs... :no:

http://rapidshare.de/cgi-bin/upload.cgi

Thanks, i'm downloading it  : ok:

http://rapidshare.de/files/858673/TWAT.mp3.html

You have to click on Download Now (FREE) and then wait about 60 seconds before the download starts (scroll down).

Direct link: http://dl1.rapidshare.de/files/858673/59/TWAT.mp3 (right click and Save Target As...)

it's all greek to me.? ???

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wtf ?

After a first listen, to me it really doesn't sound like something GN'R would do. It sounds more like a movie or video game (like Metal Gear Solid or a RPG) soundtrack.


Come on, you know how to save a MP3 right? Like I said, just right click on your mouse and choose "Save Target As..." on the direct link (the second one) I gave.

its says "file not found"

Doesn't sound GN'R at all :'(
Sounds like a BOF with happy mushrooms  :confused:

It won't let me download it. Says my limit has been reached, but I've never downloaded anything from this site.

/Aaron.

sounds like it came out of a final fantasy video game

The direct link is still working for me. You meant OST Pinguirose ;) (original soundtrack, it's like bande originale de film in english). Yeah, it definitely sounds like something from an OST.

It's HTML, not a direct link ?:(

that's what I did, but It's not working.

Wow thats so nice its such a feel good tune

There are limits to those who are on a proxy server. Can someone host it elsewhere?

/Aaron.

hahahhahahaha ? ?I think you are mistaken...... ? this is IRS

:hihi:
Thank you ! Yes OST and not BOF  :-X

doesnt sound like something axl would write. nah, it's fakey-jake stuff this guys.

http://www.gunsnroses.us/audio/CD/TWAT.mp3


Damn already - I said I was going to do it

-BP

It is a direct link. Maybe it's like that on my computer because I already clicked on the download now thingy on the first link I gave. Anyway, it's almost certainly not GN'R.

BP put it on gnr.us. Check the link above my post.

can anyone host it on a different server please? I gotta get a acount to download it there....

right click >>>> ?save as ? yadda yadda

Thanks BP! : ok:

thanks ! Now it works.... it doesn't sound like GNR at all... it doesnt even sound like madagascar or november rain or anything like that.

FAKE.

But not bad.

Go here http://rapidshare.de/files/858673/TWAT.mp3.html and click FREE at bottom of the page, and wait one minute  :yes: (sorry if it was that you done)

Thank You, I will know this song in a few seconds ?:P

Ok! Thank You!

I say it probably fake but if it`s not sounds very good - and like i`d say before it`s orchestral instrumental...there no drums, guitars or something else - try to immagine November Rain without guitars, drums and rest of it...it sounds almost the same way...

I'd like to know why you think this is a fake. It's the orchestral (instrumental) version. This could have been created for Buckmaster so he could do his arranging without the vocal, which would come after. We've already heard from Tommy Stinson that this album is pushing the "bounds" of music as we know it. I for one am on the line, and won't know the answer till the album comes out. Or unless someone else can confirm otherwise with better proof than "I don't think".

/Aaron.

it sounds like axl's piano playing.  with guitars, bass and drums its a gnr song.  it could easily be gnr.  the chords are really cool.  also, at the stage of this mix, its pretty damn good.

Sounds more Nigthwish demo than GNR demo..

thanks for the direct link , i dont think its real but it could be , if you put lyrics , drums ,guitarrs etc, it would sound totaly different. ?but it does sound like final fantasy.

this is classical music, not rock n' roll, i'm guessing somebody is janking our chains because this is not a guns n' roses final product, it can't be although it's a fine piece of classical shit ?:hihi:

First of all i would like to say that this is a really nice song. If u can imagine some heavy instruments on the top!

But if its really, i guess thats the next thinmg to find out.

& now ladies n gents....    our beautiful piece called  TWAT

 ;D

I don't know if it's a GN'R song...  :-\ Time will tell.

It actually sounds fantastic! (probably fake),

With guitars and drums it would be great. ?November Rain sounded quit different just as an orchestral arrangement .
Again, could be fake..but who knows???

is there a way to save this file when using the gunsnroses.us link?  i want this on my ipod.

GN'R or not. I do think it's a nice piece of music. Guess will see in time. :peace:

www.gunsnroses.us/audio/CD/TWAT.mp3

just right click the link >>>>  save targot as >>> save to your machine

-BP

great piece of music indeed.  :)

I should of called the CD folder "Rumors" . ? I'll change that later so I don't cut off your downloads. -BP

thanks BP for putting it up.
it's kinda nice, but well... only time will tell if it's really a gnr-tune.

i guess Sp1at will pick this up! And start emailing whole the world to find out...  :rofl:

 :rofl: :rofl: Oh no..!!!!

Sounds like it was done using MIDI to me... ::)

OK guys I think it might be real here is a proove for me:
- Listen carrefully the violons ?from 1.25 to 2.40 from TWAT instrumental version
- Now listen to that Buckethead guitar intro from 1.17 to 1.41 from osaka'02 here: http://s7.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=11F6XFH68YYU318IFZHZKYO2SN

---> is it just me or does it sound pretty similar? I wouldn't say BS but I remember back in 2002 there were debates about some intros played by the new band before songs. They have always been pretty mysterious. I even PM Gigger a couple of days ago and we spoke about these "mysterious" extracts...
Take it for what it is. It's 50/50 for me. add some electric guitars, bass Axl's voice and drums and it could be real.

It does sound FF soundtrack.
I donno but I wouldn't be surprised if the composer of November Rain wrote this piece.

Thanks deNIS n BP. And Nytunz for  :rofl:

Holy shit you just might be right... That guitar solo and the instrumental sound like they could be in the same tune!

Thanks for posting that solo I have the boot but haven't listened to it for a long time. I forgot how beautiful that solo was.

2:48 hits that madagascar note -  not implying anything

yep ?8)

sounds like something out of a videogame to me but i could be wrong.    Or somethin out of a movie score, awsome music none the less, if some guitars drums and axls soft voice in that could be a beautifull innovative piece of music
sounds like something queen would maybe do

i really sounds similar. are we on to something???

I re-listend once again and...yeah it sounds very similar for me!

heard it and it's bullshit..if Axl is doing this crab for 10 years so be it.

Thats a good one nesquick!
Ill try to fith them together in moviemaker...! Sounds very simular..

cool I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who think these 2  extracts sound similar.
Jarmo, Will, Gigger, Mysteron, Darnemus...what do you think?

To me if it doesn't sound like GNR is a good sign cause I expect Cd to be totally different from previous recordings.

Now, regarding this beautiful piece, funny how everybody is lucubrating with the idea that this song could be an Axl's creation based on a few notes here and there. The solo posted by Nesquick sounds definitely like this piece, so does the piano part from 40'' to 1'10" sound like November Rain. Not the same notes, but the same time in between notes, the same note pattern sort to speak.

I have no way of knowing this for sure, but I believe this is the closest thing to a leak we've gotten so far.

comon, guy got it from Serbia from some friend..  ::)

Do we know anything else from this mp3? Any other relevant info? If this is "would be the first leak" ithink its intresting, coz that means The stuff on CD is walking throug some stages... And if we get any other leaks in the future, i take that as a sign CD is damn near...! But, i wouldent like a whole song beeing leaked. That would lower my excitment in a way! But clips like this i think its positive, because they are musch more mystic!

 Have you ever consider that leaks are beeing planed frome the GNR camp or Recordcompany?To test some of the reactions on the new stuff?

but isn't it a little bit strange that the leak comes from Serbia?

This is usually what happens.  Music leaking to the internet for the most part are the record companies to get the fans reaction to the music.  Very seldom does an album get "stolen".  This could be our first taste.

OK people! Remember! Only goodtalk about this MP3! Them we may see CD in 2005.. Lol!

But, anyway! I think this is a great backgroundsound to a Rocknroll ballad! And i only listen to Heavy Metal, black metal, hard rock! Im not from a classical genere!

i dodn't see why they would leak something that is not even close to being done, sure there's going to be orcestral arangements, but this is pure classical, nothing rock n' roll about this piece thats for sure so imo this would be a bad piece of music to tease or test the fans with although the music in it self is nice to listen to etc...

don't think about what axl or the record company want you to think about a new gn'r piece, make up your own minds...

Very interesting point. : ok:

I think this thing goes too far! Please don`t get me wrong but there something what worried me. I posted this mp3 because i was so excited to hear it and this becomes possibiluty to be the first track from CD. But now when i see how exiting you are i`m scaryed becouse if this is a fake u will hates me and i don`t want this happen. If i must be honest i`m to sceptical becouse from years Axl succeed ?to keep all in secret and really don`t know how this leak and from where? Zoran is my friend from Serbia, he is really nice gye and he is eager has i`m and i can trust him. But if this becomes a serial fake i want to apologize to u. ;D

It's not bad, but I don't believe it's real. For starters, how the hell could a guy from Eastern Europe have gotten his hands on such a thing? It would have done an awful lot of travelling....

I just listened to it. I thought it was really beautiful.

Many people will say that it's not the traditional GN'R sound. But it's still great quality music. And the broader the songs are, the broader the audience will be.

No problem dENIS! U made it clear in your first post.. Im just glad u shared it. And if any bastard begin to kick your shit because its fake! Im on your side, and im sure most of the HTGTH community are! So calm down!

indeed,  Who cares if it's guns n roses or not, at least this piece of music is very nice to listen to.

very true it was really nice to listen to

Say what you want about sp1at, Bigboss from the Sp1at forum makes a good point here:


""
One thing to note

Buckmaster did his orchestration in 2002, this track is from 2001 according to the person who posted it

""

but they will 'check into it' ofcourse...

Yeah, don't worry dENIS. Has anyone got a Final Fantasy X (I think it was X or IX) by any chance?

Nesquick, the piece on your link is too beautiful?almost makes me cry. :'(

if i wanted to hear this shit i would listen to fuckin mozart, not guns n roses.

haha, this could actually be very nice piece with some nice guitar and vocal work, i doubt its real though, my bro says it sounds like its from Final Fantasy X

Well, bye then.

It sounds like synthesizer to me, not a real orchestra. ?It could have been written on a keyboard first, and then handed off to Buckmaster for real orchestration later. ?As just a piece of a Gn'R song, with guitars and drums and stuff as well, it could be very cool. ?I agree with many, though, it's beautiful, but not "Gn'R sounding" by itself.

Hahaha! Hohoho! Yeah.. let the Bigboss decide if its real or not! Coz he is GOD

True, but what is intresting, is that if u remove the drums guitars, bass, vocal on november rain, it would sound something in this genere! And they said that there would be some new sounds on the album, although it would be very much GNR!

Remember track 2 on the sympathy of the Devil....

i'm not defending bigboss, he can do that if he wants, but at least he is trying to find out something.

track 2 isn't from gnr.

Ik not trying to defend him either, but he DOES make a point.  I don't know if the orchestration was made in 2002. But if it was, then it simply cant be GnR. A piece of music made in 2002 cant have the label 2001.

Final Fantasy X, anyone?

So you don't like NR. THis doesn't sound mozartish at all.

Absolutely - that was my point.

Regardless of what anything thinks about this music, I don't believe someone would have made this quality level of a song, just to fool us.  If it's not a Gn'R leak, then it has to be stolen from some other piece of music.

Like I said though, it sounds like snythesizer to me.  If it's something Axl wrote, I imagine he would have done it on keyboard first, and then given it to whomever to turn into a real orchestra piece.

someone is having a great laugh somewhere in Serbia..

they sure are, i heard this mp3 long time ago and its fucking fake!

Yeah, i guess he does.. And no harm in that! But please dont make anarticle about it  :rofl:

I got FFX but I don't remember every single audio track/ song from the game, and I don't have the OST. It does sound similar, but it reminded me some tracks from Metal Gear (the first two on PS/2) and some RPGs like Chrono Cross.

The instrumental and Bucket's solo do sound similar as well, like some parts of the piano intro Axl did before NR on the US leg of the tour.

if anyone has played final fantasy 7, go into the highwind and fly it once it sheds its jet engines.. the music while flying in that, and the notes from 4:03 of this mp3 are identical.. i'm sorry but this is most likely nobuo uematsu's work and not paul buckmasters.. but just to be on the safe side, can anyone with the final fantasy soundtrack please confirm this? i'm 90% certain that this is from final fantasy 7..

Oh shit it was 7!!!!!BTW,  I thought you'd know Estranged 063087. :P

I have the Chrono Cross OST (fucking fantastic btw) and this track is not on it

I have the FF7 OST and if memory serves me right you are quite wrong.

edit- actually, upon relistening, I think you are right. my mistake!

Im not really sure...Theres surteen parts where I cal almost hear Axl singing it because it sounds like a GNR song but other parts where it sounds nothing like it and is from a movie...A ver nice piece though...I rather not hear any leaks though i think it would just delay the album longer

why are many of the main people on this board not offering an opinion?  Is this real or not?  I really want it to be real.  I like it a lot.  So what up?

now that i think about it, i dont think its from when you fly the highwind.. its either when you're in the highwind, or in the church w/ aeris or something.. but i'm almost certain that its from ff7.. i'm sending the mp3 to a friend of mine who's also a final fantasy freak to listen to and compare the mp3 to his OST..

I hope it's fake that's very wimpy ..

I really like this "leak" - the musical arrangment is beautiful, but it makes me want to search for crystals  ;D

Thanks BP. 

I'ts possible that it could speed up the release, but i guess it depends on the reaction it/they get.

If people love it, we may get cd sooner; if people don't care for it it will give axl an excuse to keep working on the music and say "well, it was only a demo" :-\

here is a comparison the two parts... first from FF7 then the track

http://fire.prohosting.com/penz/comparison.mp3

Japanese video game music. Close this thread  ::) :P

http://www.ffmusic.info/ff7.html

^ That's a list of all the songs in the soundtrack, none match the time of the mp3 posted

edit: good luck listenin to all the songs hahah, i bet its a video game song

its definitely not close to an exact match to any track in the game, but there are some similarities.
coincidence? i dont know.

http://www.ffmusic.info/ff8.html

could it be "The Castle" from Final Fantasy 8?

Maybe Axl is a Final Fantasy player now   :hihi:

Maybe..

When FF III hit the snes in november 91, he got reeled into that world and hasn't come out of it since.

No new material since....... november 91

uh-oh

 :nervous:

i doubt this is  real but if u add guitars,drums and axl's vocals this could be some kick ass shit

 :rofl: this is great, we are using video games to decipher a possible Chinese D song.

im goin all the way to try to figure out where this song is from, I aint got shit to do today :(

I spoke with Matt Sorum about this, he said, "What's with the flutes??"   :hihi:

Seriously, it's a very nice piece of music...Chinese D.?  Who knows.

Recently I have been listenning to orchestrated music, since my sister is a violin player. That last section with the flute is very nice! (Sadly I doubt this is real....hope I am wrong).

Beautyful music, but I doubt it's real.
Sometimes it indeed sounds like keyboards fx.

it almost sounds like someone trying to recreate a particular piece from final fantasy, sort of like what this guy does: http://www.ampcast.com/music/10899/artist.php

It would be a cool template; there isnt much repitition of the melody for me to believe it is a real song, but i like what i hear. It's emotive, pretty....I would have to hear what is layered on top of it to truly appreciate it.

I feel much more comfortable now than when the My Favorite Pillow bomb dropped.

i love november rain because it has elements of rock n roll music. this, on the other hand, is not rock n roll. i love everything that has been done by the old and new band. i would bet ten million dollars that this is a fake. i mean, it came from fucking serbia. nuff said.

i didn't realize serbia had a reputation in this sort of case.

Maybe Merck leaked it to show the world that Axl has some quality fragments recorded

Jeez, enough with the Serbia. His friend e-mailed it to him. His friend lives in Serbia, or he does, or they both do.

Where does anyone say this started there?

What would you say if it originated from from freaking Malibu?! Doe's it really make much of a difference?

I agree, if this was shared via the net, the source could be anywhere.

Anyone check Madden 05?

Denis, why don't you just ask your friend where he got it from? It could clear up a lot of things.

Wow you know what's great about this track?

I can play it to my daughter to help her go to sleep. Its awefully boring and bloated. I will fear for CD if this music is actually real and part of it. CD should be beautiful and should be a masterpiece. But it shouldn't be an album that you would play for children to help them sleep at night. A GNR album should kick ass and take names.

Please don't let this snorefest be real...

I kind of doubt it's authenticity, but for the sake of argument, it's just an orchestral background, it doesn't give a picture to what the whole song would sound like.  Just as if you only listened to the synth orchestra on NR.  You can't possibly tell.

I just think we can?t jugde any song only listening to it?s instrumental version... ?an incomplete song is not a "song".

If u listen to the instrumental version of patience, for example, it seems very simple... but with vocals it rules... Many many songs that are so simple ("instrumentaly" speaking) are very nice. ?(Ex.: Let it be - Beatles - if u listen only to the piano, seems very simple, but with vocals it rules). ?

Anyway, we don?t know if it?s gnr.

Peace ?;)

You can tell the song is going to be slow, pretty, and nice.


Listen to the Metallica S&M DVD and play the orchestra only audi track. Then pick one of the hard songs. The orchestra music doesn't sound like pussy music does it? No, it still sounds badass.

Anyway the Blues is one thing. I like the Blues. But that has to be it. No more nice songs. I want this kind of tripe, found on this mp3, to stay away from CD. It has been too long since we had our ass kicked properly.

This kind of music doesnt want to kick your ass...it wants to fuck it.

I don't think a song called There Was a Time which supposedly is about his abuse as a child will be something he wants people 'rocking' out to. I think he means it to be a heavy, emotionally riveting song.

 :crying: *throws up*

This better be fake or else this GNR album will be crapper than what im expecting it to be.

+1. I think People who expect TWAT to be a "rocker" are false. I see it as a dramatic song (emotionaly speaking). I wouldn't see Axl singing "I was raped by my step father" with kick ass and energizing guitar riffs ala Welcome To The Jungle. No, It will probably be way deeper. More emotional I think. More introspective. I wouldn't see it as a "fun" kick-ass Rocker song, but more as a touching artistic song. Well, I suppose...

Axl was assraped? wtf?? thats sick

wasn't the song rumoured to be an epic/piano/orchestra song? I remember I heard that.

I've got a crack team of very geeky people working on this and so far they say it's probably not from Final Fantasy.

my crack team of geeks is giving me the same opinion so far.

:)

It could be from any soundtrack of many japanese games, especially RPGs/ adventure games, including FF, Chrono Cross, Vagrant Story, Metal Gear, Suikoden, etc. I don't recognize it as a FF track either (and I've played every game since FFVI) but it's kinda hard to tell...

i think there is way too much going on in this track to just be a backing track.  its a complete song in itself.  no backing track contains a flute with a melody that strong. 

The Track is a fake. Madison contacted Merck and he said it's bogus.

yeah me n my friend have spent the last couple of hours listening to the final fantasy 7 soundtrack and although from 4 mins into it, the song sounds EXTREMELY similar to parts of final fantasy 7, its not the same song..

It actually sounds like a hybrid of Who Wants to Live Forever  by Queen. That song had similar orchestral sounds to this song.  It is certainly different, but has similarities. Did Madison say its fake???

Whose Madison?

Madison is someone on Mygnr who Merck seems to give detailed responses to, any post she makes regarding official buisness always seems to come out truthful. In this message board environment where there are countless rumours Madison always comes through with posts eventually end up coming true.

Yes she did, go to mygnr. She contacted Merck and he said it was "bogus".

Once again nothing new.

Keep Waiting

Jonx

At first I thought it could be
1) real new GnR material,
2) a BS fake,
3) something from Queen,
4) I was just thinking its from Conan or Highlander ?:hihi:

I still like it though.

mygnr is a bunch of pondscum. anyone can e-mail merck themselves you don't need someone to do it for you.

personally, i don't hold judgement on anything being real or fake anymore, because it's always been fake, so it's pretty easy to decide. but if you think for one second that if a part of it was leaked, and some gnr fan from a message board emailed merck and said such and such track, is this real, that he'd give an official response of yes so he can be quoted everywhere on the articles about the "Gnr leak", you're fucking crazy.

so decide for yourselves, again though, they are always fakes. but if you can't see that it's completely pointless to ask merck about something like this, you're weird :)

also, if anyone still cares, some dude at thenewguns.com said this:
well...guys I really don't know how to tell this to you...I hope that you won't laugh and make fun of me but I tried and worked real hard on that:

...what I'm trying to say is that this music that sample that ChineseBlues has brought to us could be REAL!!!!!

...I also told you about the songs that I downloaded and one of them was TWAT (I downloaded it 2 years ago) but it's NOT the version that CB revealed!...The version I REVEALED WAS 2 YEARS BACK it was on the net and IT PERFECTLY FIT WITH THE SONG THAT CHINESEBLUES brought...

icon_exclaim.gif I TOOK MY VERSION OF TWAT AND MIXED (PUT TOGETHER) WITH THE CB'S VERSION!!!...AND IT FITS!!!!! icon_exclaim.gif

...the CB's version is instrumental with orchestra and my version includes just GUITAR and the ELECTRO or some shit BEATS...and I put this togeter as I said and THIS IS IT...AND I'm SHOCKED!!!

I'm not saying this is it...the real thing for sure (100%) but we're close cuz in my mix there are some different parts but the space between the easy part and the hard part and the rythem and beat and the tones is correct!...and also THE FLUTE PERFECTLY FITS WITH GUITAR in the 2nd part!

I'm sorry for the long letter...and I hope that I'm not wrong...(little pieces are comming together real fast now!)

i corrected him and told him cb didn't release the track, he hasn't come back since saying this, and i really don't remember the version he's talking about

Guess Merck is always busy talking to Madison, Mysteron and splat, huh?  :hihi:

Just joking.  : ok:

Yes anyone can email Merck, but the thing is he gives some people more detailed responses than others. Madison is one of those people. In all my time of reading these boards everything she has ever posted has turned out to be truthful.

Jonx

Yes, this is quite a detailed response:

"This is bogus."

 :D - ?oh speaking of crack *cough

as far as having it ruled out..... ? jarmo, will, john m, & myself had it ruled out during our morning tea. o what laughs! -bp

What more needs to be said concerning that. The usual response Merck gives people is "when there is something to say we will release a statement" or "everything we wish to say right now is in our statement". He is the CEO of a major record company. It is a sunday night (if you are in the UK) why bother writing out a detailed response when all that needs to be said is "this is bogus".

What do you want him to do, give you the name of the song, the artist, the record label, the parent company, the name of the producer/conductor, musicians, engineers, recording studio, publishiers....... shall i go on?

Jonx

Straight to the point.  : ok:




/jarmo

Mercks lives/works in NYC. I was just responding to this: I said anyone could have e-mailed merck on this, whose madison to be special and why do you think she's the end-all, you said she gets more detailed responses, i just pointed out this one was rather short.

I'm wondering if he was talking about the song or mygnr. probably both :)

I agree with your point, and I THINK I know what version he is talking about. I'll try to get a hold of it again and mix the two, but I thoroughly expect they won't match.

yeah, i figure it will amount to zero of course, but just thought i'd mention it. slow night :)

i emailed the dude and asked him to come on here and put the mix up through yousendit.com

even though it's fake i'd like to hear it, i like to consider myself a fake cd track afficionado.

Madison is reliable.

Yes i know Merck works in NYC, im just saying that in the past Madison on Mygnr and Mysteron on this board have been the ones who have always got the official answers off Merck, they are the ones who always post information that turns out to be fact.

Thats all im saying, maybe you should back track to some of their posts. To my knowledge the only outstanding claim by Mysteron is that Axls legal problems are not holding up CD, this still remains to be seen but apart from that, every major rumor/leak that has ever come out Madison or Mysteron have always been the ones that have posted official responses that have turned out to be true. Nowadays with Sp1at it seems to be BigBoss and Gigger who are the main contacts with Merck. I dont know about this track, if Madison says that she contacted Merck, going on her past record i am inclined to believe her.

Im now at the point where i dont really believe any rumor anymore, because it all usually turns  out to be fake. Axl is very clever, he is not going to let anything intentionally leak.... look how hard it was for the author of the NY times article to get people to talk who had actually worked RECENTLY on the album.

When Axl wants to let us know about CD he will do it through a statement or through Sanctury. Rumours are Rumours, nothing more nothing less.

Jonx

Merck is working on a Sunday?

I didn't say a word about Mysteron. Mysteron is actually someone who has "real world" contacts, not someone like madison who just figured out merck's e-mail address like the rest of the free world can and e-mails him and gets back form responses that anyone else would get.

I'm not going to backtrack through madisons post so I can not find any instance where Merck told her any "secret" information that he wouldn't have said to anyone else.

If you want to argue  this further, please PM me, so we don't get this thread going in another direction.

Shouldn't this be locked since it has been confirmed a fake?

There is no need to argue, this issue is pretty much settled. Madison is Mygnrs Mysteron, they might even be the same person, who knows!!!

We know this track is fake so lets just leave it. Im just saying that i think Madison is reliable, just as i think Mysteron is reliable! Im not trying to start an arguement, its a stupid thing to argue about, we are all here for the same reason... to try and find out when Axl is going to release CD.

Jonx

Jonx...   don't be crazy now
I don't forget we have IRS as fact ?;) ** crak

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