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Has anyone here ever heard the Metallica song'The Memory Remains'? I have always thought James Hetfield was talking about Axl in this song. If you've never heard the song or you're not a metallica fan, go to a search engine and find the lyrics to it and check it out. Very interesting!

When was the song written? 

Dont know exactly when it was written but it was on Reload which was released in 1997.

The part about the cigarette holders sounds like it could be about him. ?And the prima donna. ?And the "dance little tin goddess".

Yeah I definitely think the song is about Axl. I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned here before.

It has been mentioned before here several times I think. Yeah after going through the lyrics I guess they were talking about Axl. It don't matter though...Axl is still the King. :peace:

I've also heard it asked if "King Nothing" were written with Axl in mind..

If these songs were (LOL!) then I'd say James has got a little thing there for Axl ?:hihi:
Lars would be insanely jealous, no?

I've also heard it asked if "Megaolomania" was inspired by Axl. ? ?:confused:

I guess we'll have to wait until the NY Times weighs in on the subject... ? :P

King Nothing...I remember people were saying that was about Axl. Hence the word "King" in my previous post :hihi:

is it just me or does Metallica like taking cheap shots at Axl?

Yes, they do take shots at him.  And I'm sure they feel very big for it too.  Kicking someone while they're down.

i think we're giving James way too much credit here....  :P

i think your reading way to much into these lyrics because believe it or not the world doesnt revovle around axl and im sure they can find plenty of people/things to write about without mr. rose

That's what forum members do if you haven't noticed.  They read into everything because they think that what's going on in their head (GN'R) is going on in the rest of the world, but that's just not true.

you hit the nail right in the head pet!

This song fucking owns. I'd be honoured to have it written about me.

Not to break rules here but this entire thread is pretty fucking dumb. MAYBE King nothing might have the smallest inkling to do with axl but that's all I will concede not to mention the song came out in 96' and that album had been recorded since sometime in 95' and axl hadn't been gone too long at that point. The memory remains is way too generic to say it's about anyone and there is no mention of a cigarette holder in the lyrics as someone said earlier. And as far as axl "being down" I could only wish to be so down. The man whether he does anything ever again is a living legend and he has enough money to never have to work again. Even if James did take a shot at him, which if you're gonna say he did in a song is ridiculous, it's not exactly kicking someone while they're down.

After the GNR/Metallica tour, Axl dissed Metallica (specifically Lars and James) in rants onstage.

Whether or not this song is about Axl, I don't know... I don't really care. 

As far as King Nothing being about Axl,  I personally think it's about Michael Jackson, since he is the self-proclaimed king of pop and at the end of the song, it goes "off to never never land" ... referring to MJ's neverland ranch. 

But that's just my interpretation.  I could be wrong.  I've been known to be wrong on occasion, just don't ever tell my hubby that... he's happily content in the idea that I am  never wrong.   :hihi:

wow,I never heard that song.

Axl Axl Axl,yes it's song about Axl

what rants did axl have against them? Can anyone dig what he said up?

Sacramento '93, call James H. racist for not letting Ice T/Bodycount open up the GN'R/Metallica tour of ' 92 and a bunch of other things. Co-headlining was according to Axl on request of Metallica and according to Axl GN'R took a loss on the tour.

lol...yeah right.  I think it's the other way around...you're not giving James enough credit.  He didn't write a song about Axl...gimmie a break...he's got better things to write about.  He is by far one of the best song writters of the last 20 years.  You think he'd write a song about the cancer that killed his father (Until It Sleeps) and then write about Axl?   :hihi:  Go ahead and kid yourself then.

Right. Could be abt anybody. Why Axl?

Whats a "prima donna" 

StoneTempleRoses

PRIMA DONNA: 1 : a principal female singer in an opera or concert organization 2 : an extremely sensitive, vain, or undisciplined person

To bad that song sucks and turned out to be more of a parody of metallica than axl if that was their intention :smoking:

Hey all.  I consider myself to be a pretty knowledgable Metallica fan, and with that in mind I am pretty sure that "Memory Remains" is about a singer named Marianne Faithful.  Faithful actually sings on the track.  She is the "na na na na nanana naaaaa... na na na na na na na sound.

The only Metallica song that comes to memory as having and GnR/Axl corelation is "King Nothing".

The song could be abou Uncle Axl, but I doubt it.   If it is, though, James hould have had the balls to say so

I think that if Axl ever releases the Chinese Democracy album, he should include a song about how Metallica sold their arses down the river about 15 years ago.

The song is based upon a movie called "Sunset Boulevard"

http://www.encycmet.com/songs/sr2memo.shtml

Here's a Metal Edge on the record with Metallica back in 1997.

"The memory remains"
Re-loads first single has a slow, hypnotic groove and backup vocals by Marianne Faithful. " The song is heavy,
it's got a greasy feel to it. It's got both heavy and kind of eerie [aspects]."says James, who based the lyrical idea on the
movie Sunset Boulevard, and "how an old faded movie star thinks she's still relavant, and the idea of fame and how it just twist you sometimes. Basically, it's about twisted Hollywood starlet." : ok:

No.. It's not about Axl.. James says it's about no one.. He just wrote it..

I heard, it was about Elvis............

Hahahaha are you serious? Kicking someone when there down...that is fucking funny. And you think Axl is down? If Axl was down on his luck and needed the money, don't you think he would have released CD? The dude is obviously living it up. Think about it before you portray Axl has a Boohoo Waa waaa feel sorry for me type. He is living in his kickass mansion, smoking the finest herb, ca meditate all day, buys neon pegasus's, gets the best seats for the superbowl or NBA games, gets the finest pussy, and has had the luxury to release his album whenever the fuck he feels like it. In his world he is god.

Anyway these Metallica songs might have been as influenced by Axl as any other Rock star of Axl's caliber. But Lars digs the man and continually speaks highly of him. Metallica kicks ass though, as do these songs of theirs. Shit I just rediscovered Metallica S&M on DVD, and that is some kickass shit. Sounds fucking sweet.

Imagining that these songs were influenced by Axl, does given them another layer when listening to them though.

Well, the song could ORIGINALLY  have been about Axl, but maybe James panicked at the last moment thinking "Oh my god, I could get sued if I say that!! AAH!" so he said it was about something else to protect his ass.
Or... it just could have been a random idea. We don't know. Nobody except James Hetfield knows.
Now, to all youse saying "Axl down?! Pfft!!":
Just because someone may be rich, doesn't make them happy. So what if he lives in a kickass mansion meditating all day long and fucking all night long. So what. Is that gunna make him happy if there's something on his mind that is bothering him? NO! Let me tell you, if someone is fucking depressed, it doesn't matter how many people you screw, how many ounces of weed you smoke, or however many neon pegasi you buy, you're still gunna be thinking about that one thing that you CAN'T fix with money.
I don't know, but my guess is that he's missing his old buddies a LOT, and he wishes that he could have them back and make it be like the old days, but now because Velvet Revolver's come out... he thinks "Naah, they're gunna wanna stay with Weiland... he's not as strict as I was...." so he's probably spiralling into a deep vat of depression because he wants his buddies back.
That's only what I THINK. I don't know. Maybe he isn't down at all and buying all the neon pegasi he wants to put up all over the walls of his kickass mansion while smoking the finest weed in all the world, specially imported from Amsterdam along with all the pussy he could ever want.
I don't know. But!
Back on subject.
The part that Marianne Faithful sings in The Memory Remains... if speeded up, could sound a lot like Axl in WTTJ only not beginning with "sha" and not ending with "knees". Buuut, that's just me with my overactive imagination... there's a reason why I'm an art student.

The only reason I can think that Axl would be down, is that he hasn't caused any controversary in 2 years.

"The part that Marianne Faithful sings in The Memory Remains... if speeded up, could sound a lot like Axl in WTTJ only not beginning with "sha" and not ending with "knees". Buuut, that's just me with my overactive imagination... there's a reason why I'm an art student."

Sounds to me like  Axl isn't the only one smoking some fine weed. Share the wealth brother.

Puff The Magic Dragon was written about Axl I heard. Also Bod Dylans "blowing in the wind" was written about the release date of chinese democracy.  :hihi:

"the answer my friend is blowing in the wind , the answer is blowing in the wind. How many guitar players must come and go .. before they can settle on a man? and how many tours must crash and burn before the promoter calls for the end? And how much botox can his skin endure before it falls off his face? and how many wigs does he have to buy before he doesnt look like a disgrace? Oh the answer my friend is blowing in the wind , the answer is blowing in the wind. Oh how many years will past us by before our long wait it will end? And how many finishing touches will it take before the album they will send? and how much money can the record company give before they can give no more? how frustrated can the band members get before they bolt for the door? oh the answer my friend is blowing in the wind , the answer is blowing in the wind."

 :peace:

As far as I've read, King Nothing is about people who are obssessed with the struggle to own everything.

I believe the track was first recorded in late '94, so I doubt the lyrics are about Axl seeing as he hadn't been out of the spotlight long enough at the time. Also, since the world doesn't revolve around Mr. Rose I don't really see why anyone would think the song was about him in the first place. ::shrug::

Nah , it's obviously about axl.  :hihi:  :rofl:

Hehehe! I would if I could my friend, and I ain't no one's brother... see, I'm a girl :hihi:. But I know a great li'l coffee bar in Amsterdam that sells really strong shiva and white widow. : ok:
I love when there are college trips to Amsterdam!!  :smoking:

Which one? Amsterdam and me are no strangers uh...sister. I have judged there during the holidays. My place is the grey area. Of course Cafe 36 for desert. They have the best cakes dont they.

GNR fans should definitely go to the Doors shop. GNR pinball and lots of old pictures of the boys there. Very cool GNR respect there. Aaah Amsterdam...


what is this thread about again  :smoking:


Oh yea Metallica. I lsitened to the tracks again and I dont think they are about Axl. If they are its to subtle to even be relevant.

Hehehe, I uh... can't remember the name of the place, but it was kinda small. It went underground, and all over the walls there were really trippy murals that were amazing, and the bartender guy played November Rain! I was happy. There were pool tables in there I think, and the trippy murals were sorta themed to be space looking... Aaah! Can't really remember! LOL!
What I DO remember is that on the trip to Amsterdam, the FIRST DAY my friends wanted to go to McDonalds and dragged me and a couple others of my friends round practically the WHOLE city!! And they DIDN'T LET ME SIT DOWN!!! NOT ONCE!!! Not until we got there, so my friend gave me a piggyback for a while, but then she got tired so I had to walk again, and then when we got to McDonalds, I didn't want to eat anything because I'd seen SuperSize Me the week before... but I did anyway, and I felt really bad because I'd said to my bf that I'd "never eat McDonalds again"... but I did!!! AAAH!!!
But ahh! The coffeeshops... lovely. Oh, and that Doors shop rocked!!! But! Did you see the shop selling all the t-shirts with hilarious things on them?!! I can't remember exactly what they said, but I remember I laughed at them! Oooh!!! There was also this one guy I remember who looked a LOT like Axl and was dressed like Axl, and he was wearing a Gn'R shirt... He's the only non-college person I remember from the whole trip because he looked like Axl. I waved at him from the hotel window and he waved back, smiled at my bandana, gave me the metal devil horn symbol, and walked off into the sunset... ahh...
Anyhoo, I'm rambling, and I'd just typed more, but then I realized I was rambling and so I deleted what I'd just typed because it was random shit, and yea. Amsterdam rocks!!!

IMO, Metallica's albums up to and including the Black Album rock, but the ones after that are kinda iffy except for the S&M one which ROCKS because of the orchestra.... LOL! Even Fuel sounds good on that. I wish they'd played Unforgiven though. I fucking love that song, and it would have sounded AMAZING with an orchestra!
I still stick with what I said about The Memory Remains. Marianne Faithful sounds funny, but in the S&M version, her parts sound fucking excellent with the audience singing them! :)

Momma you no doubt know what your talking about. I laughed at what you said about the t-shirts. They pretty much all have similar punchlines like "I'm waiting to get my pictures developed from my vacation in Amsterdam, so I can see what I did."
The McD's is strange there. They charge you for ketchup. The food place near it is the main food joint, with all the sandwhiches and shit in the walls and they have those killer shakes.

The coffee shop your talking about is the grasshopper, I think. Near the Bulldog. That place is real cool. One of their specialty strains is the purple haze. Mmm... yea, I should probably stop talkin about this.

I talked about Metallica S&M dvd earlier. I recommend that to everyone here. Especially if you have a 5.1 settup. Metallica was very into that show, and musically it just owns. You have the option of just hearing Metallica, or just the symphony to, which is cool. The song selection is perfect. No Leaf Clover is a beautiful thing on this.

Alright, seems like this has turned into a discussion about Metallice, Amsterdam and the sights there.





/jarmo