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Is CD going to be a concept album like Pink Floyd's 'The Wall' or Queensryche's 'Operation Mindcrime'? Maybe this is one of the reasons for the long wait. Trying to get all the songs to be on the same theme.

No. I don't really see a theme joining the songs we've heard so far. Silkworms to The Blues is a pretty big jump.

Also, from what we've heard, there's about 70 songs to choose from which would make it pretty much impossible for it to be a concept album

Considering the fact that CD will probably be loaded with ballads, maybe the theme will be Axl's childhood abuse or his failed relationships,etc.

You can put the mortgage on just about every song being about how someone one way or another hates him or left him or abused him. Take that one to the bank.

Nah, I don't think Axl wants to go into Fred Durst territory. Maybe some songs will be like that, but the whole album?

Techno ballads?  ???


Under what category would you put the title track?



/jarmo

Not only in style is that a big jump, but in quality....no way in hell Silkworms makes the final cut...0% chance.
Not 1%, but 0%.

Wether it makes it or not is beside the point. The point is, is that it was written for the album; and as there is no link between the songs, the chances of there being an underlieing theme is incredibly remote.

Now that i think about it tho, did somebody not say that the album was Axl's way of communicating with Dylan (not Bob. Steph's kid). It won't be a concept album, but expect a few songs to be about what axl wants to say to him as he grows up.

Well concept albums can swing moods .. so the blues is kinda like a love song but with lines like "I wouldnt want to be you.." maybe later on the album goes into an "angry" mood with lines "pussy full of maggots" etc etc .. the songs "could" tied together but again , I dont see that happening .. I dont think silkworms will even be on the album and I dont think it will be a concept album per say.

Now that i think about it tho, did somebody not say that the album was Axl's way of communicating with Dylan (not Bob. Steph's kid). It won't be a concept album, but expect a few songs to be about what axl wants to say to him as he grows up.


Maybe somebody on here, but not anyone from the band or management.
There is a song supposedly written about him, I think it was "This I Love". That's it. In fact we don't know if
it's about what he experienced in the past with Dylan or what "he wants to say to him" when he grows up.


Wether it makes it or not is beside the point. The point is, is that it was written for the album; and as there is no link between the songs, the chances of there being an underlieing theme is incredibly remote.


Axl never said it was written for the album. I think Fortus said he thought it would be on CD. Only Axl knows.
They wrote anywhere from 3 albums worth to 70 songs. Only the best will make it on CD.
Despite that there is no concept album..Somebody (band member, producer, etc) would have leaked this rumor by now.

Mybe axl is waiting for dylan to get old enough to understand the albums meaning before he releases it.  ;D

well if it wasn't written for the album why was it written? I'm not saying it'll be there - but its not like the guys think "Lets write a song we're never gonna put on an album." It was intended to be on the album; the fact that it probably is not good enough is, like i said, beside the point.

And the dylan reference was made in a magazine interview with somebody from the band before the millenium.

I know that 'Chinese Democracy' isn't a ballad,but that's just one song out of 12-18 songs that will be on CD. One subject that Axl touches upon in the 5 new songs is the world's abusive attitude toward Axl. Maybe that's the theme.

why does axl care about dylan?  am i missing something?  also what the fuck goves you the idea that its gonna be filled with ballads?  Out of the new songs we have heard Rhiad, CD, Silk Worms, Oh my God are all heavy.  The Blues is a ballad and Madagascar is a Ballad i guess but its fuckin intense and is pretty fuckin heavy as far as it's energy level.  Also, Silk Worms kicks ass and I fuckin pray it makes it.

Axl cared deeply for dylan - he thought he was gonna be with stephanie forever and took dylan as his own.

The video for estranged makes alot more sense when you think axl was trying to talk to dylan through it - hell, dylan is in it.

Out of the new songs I don't think Silkworms will be on the album. The song just sucks,plain and simple. When I buy CD and if I see Silkworms on the tracklist, I'm gonna worry about the quality of CD. Cause silkworms could only be filler for the album. I doubt if Rhiad makes the cut either. The song has potential, I like the music, but Axl sings it really shitty live. I pray that chinese democracy is on CD, but its possible it won't make the cut either. Oh my God has no reason to be on the album either. It was rejected by most of the gnr fans and anyone who wants it can buy the soundtrack. If oh my god is on CD, it will be more filler for CD. And its almost certain that madagascar and the blues will be on CD. And when you look at how long it has taken to make CD, its probably because Axl is working on November Rain style epics. That's why I think it will be loaded with ballads. But there's nothing wrong with that. I just wanna see what direction Axl is taking GNR.

You've said some weird shit man, and this ranks up there with the best.

The Beatles: White Album
Rolling Stones: Exile on Main Street
The Who-Tommy
Jimi Hendrix-Electric Ladyland
Led Zeppelin-Physical Graffiti
Pink Floyd- The Wall


I hope Chinese Democracy will be Axl's opus his version of the albums listed above. His epic, ecletic record filled with an enormous range of songs, huge piano and string arrangments and massive guitars.

I think he can do it. : ok:

Ud be suprised how many pretentious dickheads think that way. "Dude our art is way too much for anyone to see, they dont deserve to listen to this song that we wrote."

Then the prick crumbles the paper with the song on it up and eats it  :peace:

Why the talk about Dylan and Steph?  That was over a decade ago!  The man is one of the biggest rock stars of all time.  Rest assured he is getting laid on a frequent basis I'm sure and has moved on.

rhiad and the bedouins is not a ballad either.

"new" songs:

rhiad
chidem
theblues
madagascar
oh my god
silkworms

how many ballads ? 2
rockers? 2
industrial-techno ? 2

truth is we don't know what kind of music will be on the album.

But the song was played live in front of hundreds of thousands of people......

A concept for Chinese Democracy, would be to set a release date for it.

Axl made the dylan referance back in the day about the estranged view. The 'estranged' video was his communication. I'm sure axl is well over the dylan issue by now. At the time of estranged he and steph had just broken up and the thought of dylan was very fresh in his mind.

The fact is dylan was too young to remember or give a shit about axl now. This album will Not be communication with dylan or a tribute to stephanie... if axl isn't over that by now god help his sorry ass. that was 12 years ago

No, there's definetly been an interview done where it has been mentioned that CD will be a way of communication with dylan. 

As for axl being over it - he may or may not be. But most of the songs were written years ago.

One thing that has stood out to me in the few interviews from people who had actually heard a substantial portion of the new songs was their comments on the "scope" of the material Axl was working on.

That shouldn't surprise anybody.  Take Axl's talent and ambition.  Take the varied muscians that have contributed to the project.  Throw in more than a few producers.  All this coming together over a decade's time.

I'm expecting neither a shallow album, nor one without specific focus.  But I think it will be as diverse as possible within the Guns N' Roses style.

CD will be an album of 'Industrial Rock Ballads'!  :hihi:

Axl's mom died between TSI and now; I bet alot of this album will be referential either directly or indirectly toward her. I also believe he will touch upon his abuse as a child and his belief that alot of people to whom he developed a close relationship later betrayed him. He may have even an answer for slash, duff, and matt; I wouldn't count that out. 

As for Stephanie and Dylan, I suspect he has moved past this issue. It's a convenient discussion issue for us here because we haven't heard much about his personal life in over ten years. He may lump her into a group of people who wronged him but I doubt there will be a 'Dear Ben' esque track on this mutha.

Found the article. It's from the Guardian, which is a respectable paper.

Here's the important bit, but the whole article is quite good.

 In 1991, Rose had fallen madly in love with Seymour and had become extremely attached to her three-year old son Dylan, but in 1993 Seymour abruptly left Rose to marry multi-millionaire businessman Peter Brandt. According to his few current confidantes, Rose is still hopelessly smitten with Seymour: the new age psychics whom he has employed continuously over the past 12 years claim she is his eternal soulmate and that they have been together in past lives.

And in the only print interview he has given over the past 10 years, with Rolling Stone in early 2000, he stressed that the lyrics to most of Chinese Democracy, the never-ending forthcoming Guns N'Roses album, will tell his side of the Seymour affair. "I hope [Seymour's son Dylan] hears it when he grows up, if he ever wants to know the whole truth."

Dylan Seymour is already a teenager, but he's going to have to wait a while before he hears his Uncle Axl's new lyrics. A decade after it was first begun, Chinese Democracy remains unfinished. More than $10m of studio costs, more than eight separate producers, more than 20 musicians involved in endless sessions - and still the wait goes on.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/fridayreview/story/0,12102,867713,00.html