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If Chinese Democracy become a huge hit is there chance for reunion? Maybe then Axl will be satisfy and be on-line to talk with old members...What do you think? Maybe Chinese Democracy have just one purpose - to give a proof for Axl`s rights and his talent.

Dude you gotta face the facts, theres not going to be a reunion. Theres too much bad blood between the band for that to happen. And I'm happy that it will never happen. We got the new band and they rock so.......

I think it will point the other way.. CD`s hit status will make a reunion even more fare away
Im sure in the future somtime, there are a posability for a reunion concert, but that is fare in the future..

Don't count on a reunion anytime soon. Although I?ve always thought that they eventually will get back together for one night or some sort of mini-tour (money can be very persuasive), purely cashing in on nostalgia (in 2012, 25 years after releasing ?Appetite?, or so). When people get older they often tend to get a little more reasonable and softer around the edges so to say?

Whatever may happen, I don?t think Axl sees CD as something he has to make to proof something to the ex-members?

-PEACE-

I've always said that when "Chinese Democracy" comes out, it will be a huge success. Musically and commercially. I feel it. I'm extremely optimistic about the success of this album. The buzz around it is really big...it will sell a lot.
Now concerning a reunion, that's the ultimate dream of lots of people, but let's be realistic: I don't see it happening "soon" at all. Axl doesn't seem ready for that. He may have his personal reasons though.

Sorry...there will never ever ever ever be a reunion. ?We have the same odds of John Fogerty and old CCR getting back together, or Roger Waters and Pink Floyd...there is just too much bad blood.

Also, if CD's a hit why would that make a reunion more likely? ?That makes no sense. ?If CD were to fail, (which as we know from the sounds of The Blues, Maddy, and CD, that it can't fail) but if it were a COMMERCIAL failure, then your odds of a reunion go from .001% to .01%. ? :)

Also, from what I hear, if you dig the old band, there's this alright band out there called Velvet Revolver. ?:D

Oh for fucks sake!! If Chinese Democracy is a success it will be because what axl and the new band members have created amoungst themselves, it hasnt got bugger all do with the old band members! They left!!!!

Hell no if Chinese Democracy is a hit then Axl knows he can pull it with the guns he has now

I think the old band chemistry ran out before TSI. Lets focus on the new chemistry.

Exactly. It would be the dumbest reason to make music. We would be the most moronic fans waiting for the sissiest album.

If it's a commericial failure we will have seen the last of Axl Rose as a musical performer as he will no doubt leave the music world. After all of the hype and money that went into this project, if it does not sell well his career is over no matter how much the hardcore fans argue that is a musically better album than anything he has ever done.

The record label is not paying 13 million or whatever it is for 2-3 million sales U.S and 4-5 million worldwide. VR or any new band for that matter can end up doing that at a small fraction of the cost. At the end of the day the label could give 2 shits about creative merit, they want to see results with that type of capital invested. So if we want to see a reunion or even a second album for that matter, we better hope to hell this album sells like wildfire.

I think it will be good, but I haven't heard any rockers that sound any better than anything on the radio today, and certainly don't hold a candle to GNR's previous work, which will ultimately be the standard when looking at balls out rockers. I love Maddy and the Blues, but the people I have screened them to who aren't hardcore about GNR like me give the basic, "they're good but Maddy sounds like a NR knockoff and the Blues sound like a cheesy 80's song." I am sure he has better songs, but out of that 3 billion albums worth of material they have recorded he needs to pick the absolute 15 best songs because having a 3 album plan won't mean shit if the first album doesn't sell well as there will be no next album. So let's hope there is much better hiding in there, because while Maddy, CD and the Blues are good songs they won't sell  5-7 million albums in the U.S, and for 13 million bucks that will ultimately be the labels expectation regardless of how much certain people around here claim that sales don't matter as long as the album sounds good. If you want a 2nd album, pray for good sales, or there will be no next album.

There will NEVER be a reunion.... Face it!!!!

Yeah when are people gonna understand its not gonna happen. And 2nd if Chinese Democracy become huge it will be like putting the nail in the coffin of ever having a reunion. No offense but thats a dumb question.

No such thing as a dumb question get of your high horse... give the guy a break

I would be the last person in favor of a reunion, I always liked the new gnr more then the old. In the world of GNR the most surreal things happen, the old line up getting back together would fit perfectly in all of that...

-PEACE-

Yeah I think the old GNR will get back together. In about 5 or 10 years they'll show up at the rock n roll hall of fame and play a few songs together. But thats it.

Yeah, you'll hear some people sayin' Velvet Revolver is the closest thing you're gonna get to the old band. 

Hardly.

The old Guns N' Roses that band is not. 

Stone Temple Pilots on steroids would be a more accurate description.

Chinese Democracy has to come out first!  And I'm now not to sure that will even happen.  I hope it does, but I'm starting to lose hope.  I need to here something positive soon.

I don't believe for a second a huge album would cause a reunion,however, I did read in a post here they would be happy if there wasn't a reunion,are you on drugs? The original GNR was the shit,how could you possibly not want to see them together again?

One thing that most people know from life experiences....Any thing can happen!!! As long as Axl and the other X memebers are still alive, its always possible......but not likley.
Look at the Police...they got back together for one show!! They hated eachother, well more the rest hating Sing....gee that sound like someone other band I know........

I hate to admit it, but I totally agree with you. Axl has everything riding on this album; if it tanks, it's over. I'm not sure if he will ever try again or be open to a reunion, but axl rose will retreat into this house for as long as the courts allow him to have it. Let's hope the 13 million was well spent and we get a great, powerful record. Axl is a very talented guy who deserves a return to the spotlight.

I think this album could flop and axl could walk away with a big smile on his face. The man doesnt need commercial success to have money , thats for sure. And I'm sure he wont release music that HE isnt totally satisfied with , so if it flops or not rest assured axl is happy with what he has created.

I also feel that he could just as easily cull the vast amount of material that has been recorded and have a follow up to democracy out within a year and the record company would be happy for it. To think this is axl's "last chance" at anything is IMHO a silly thing to say .. so many bands have released piss poor albums that didnt sell for shit and have been afforded the luxury of doing it over and over again. A man of axl's caliber and past glory can be afforded one major flop in his career , no?

Maybe if democracy flops he can go be a producer , as long as he doesnt die he should be ok.

 :peace:

well, he hasn't released anything in 12 years. He spent more than ten million on this album over a period of seven years; if that wasn't enough time, money, and talent to make an epic record, how could any label retain confidence in axl rose. I don't doubt the release of other tracks that were created with the CD money, but as far as further investment, I seriously doubt much cash will be forthcoming from the label.

Axl has always had thin skin when it comes to critical judgment. If the critics and public nix this record, I don't believe he will suck it up just for the art. i remember tommy stinson described axl's passion for the record and how he had everything resting on his shoulders since this was to be judged as an Axl Rose record. I got the impression that the redhead was very stressed out during this whole process and since he has responded to certain criticisms of the new songs demonstrates how sensitive he is to feedback. Failure, however, would be catastrophic for his confidence; if he cannot make a record the way he feels it has to be made, as we have seen before, he will choose not to do it. IMO

If CD is not critically accepted and doesn't do well it will cause him to quit because it is basically the music buying public's way of telling him his dream of what GNR should be was wrong. Nothing more, nothing less. He has gone through all of this in the genuine belief this is the direction GNR was destined to go, and he has had all time and resources possible to make it the perfect reflection of his dream for Guns. If it is rejected by critics and the public, what incentive does he have to make music if the public inadvertantly tell him they don't like his vision by not buying the record? This is obviously going to be his dream album, so if his dream album doesn't end up cutting it commericially that's it for him. Regardless of how much other stuff they have recorded, because that stuff probably sounds alot like the stuff on CD, so it is only logical he would have to pan the project and start from scratch, and I just don't think he has it in him.



I say he is mentally and emotionally fragile because the guy is so easily spooked it is ridiculous. Everyone in his life treats him with kid gloves because they know he is a baby about certain stuff, and even the slightest thing he doesn't like will lead to him storming off stage or not showing up somewhere. His history shows that to be 100% true. Hell, at HOB in Vegas in 01, the promoter had to chase Slash out of the hotel out of fear Axl might get spooked and not come on. And you can bet your bottom dollar he would have stormed offstage had he looked out in the crowd and saw him(which is not normal behavior), where I would argue the same wouldn't happen were he spotted at a VR show. It is nothing more than a lack of maturity with him. You heard the MTV guys saying the same thing about him in 02 at the VMA's. Starting a fight and walking off stage over a camera in St. Louis, or how about Montreal over whatever he was mad about.

The guy is emotionally unstable. I use fragile in the sense he needs to be handled with kid gloves and get things his way or he takes his ball and goes home. Everyone has things that get to him, everything gets to him though. He reads every review to see what people are saying, every article. He is desperate to be accept and viewed as being relevant. If he truly didn't care, he wouldn't rant about reviews he reads at shows and right songs about them.

I would much rather the current lineup stay together then bring back the old guys.. i think they are washed up, shitalkers, and sellouts.  The current lineup has so much more talent and versatility. 

Izzy is the only one I would be glad to have back.

Shitalkers? I've never heard any of the guys utter a foul statement on the topic.

In any case, I as much as most old GNR fans would love to see a reunion....Im sorry, buckethead just doesn't have the charisma Slash had......but I'm also realistic and realize there is A LOT of bad blood between all of the old gunners. I hope CD does sell well, I'll be buying a copy in hopes that Axl has done well with himself musically. But CD selling well inspiring a reunion? HIGHLY doubtfull.

thats like getting back together with a girl you had a crush on in kindergarten after youve been married for 10 years....its just not in the cards.  impossible? no.  unlikely? extremely

Depends if that girl from my kindergarten class was going to put millions of dollars in my pocket.  :hihi:

No, No and fucking hell no.

...is the Pope a virgin?   ;D

There won't be a reunion and I for one am glad for that! I hate comebacks. It's always the same, the old members started to hate each other and quit. But after ten-fifteen years they realize that their solo efforts didn't cut it and that they now want to compromise....

It should be about doing the best possible music, not searching for something that has been and can never be again.

None of the old reunited bands have any hunger or respectability left.

Honestly I wouldnt want a reuinion, If Democracy hits it proves that he doesnt need the other guys and it would also mean that Richard,Robin,Brain, and Tommy have proven themselves as the new GnR instead of a bunch of musicians that Axl put together and slapped the GnR name on them to sell records. But to answer ur question no I dont think so, theres js too much bitterness and Axl can hold a grudge till the day he dies, So I dont see it happening.

Personally I think that will undo all the work that Axls done putting these guys together and making this record, and it'll also undo all the work Slash,Duff, and Matt have put into VR  :peace:

Maybey.....Maybey Not? :-\
Your question can't be answered? :no:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Real Guns N'Roses' fans want a reunion. They are waiting and hoping for it.

All the other people are only Axl Rose's fans who don't care about the genuine Guns N'Roses. They just care about Axl's little ass.

If you are just trying to get someone to bite, then congratulations you have you fucking idiot! I have been a guns fans since afd came out in 87 and am still as bigger fan of the band now in the format its in. I loved the old band, but shit happens it went pear shaped they fell out and people left. I am also really impressed with the concerts I've seen with the new band and I believe that the new album will be something very special. But what fucking right have you got to make statements like that? Yeh sure I am a massive Axl fan but I also respect all of guns members there have been over the years. I also respect all other proper guns fans across the world who have stuck with the band through thick and thin. Not the negative mother fuckers who make stupid comments about axl or guns! You have not got a fucking clue what you are talking about! A reunion ent gonna happen get over it! Axl has created something new and one would be led to believe that he is very proud of it and VR have done the same. Get with the times and stop living in the past fool!

Before I get a telling off for abusing someone else. I am sorry! This dude just pressed all the wrong buttons with those sort of comments!

Just a piece of advice, that kind of comments usually don't make a posting career here that long. We get it, you like the old band. Now, move on, they broke up. You're at a GN'R board with, surprise surprise, many Axl fans. Maybe you think this is the "we hate Axl and the new band" board?




/jarmo

Wrong! It's obsessive old school fans who don't care about the genuine GN'R. You just care about your huge Idolum.
A real GN'R fan would support the GN'R existing in real like estranged 33 does.


Wrong! read Assman's post that tells you genuine music fan's point of view.

im sorry but i agree with the other guy,the old gnr wer the best!i dont mean 2 offend anyone but axl screwd them guys over an i jus cant stand buckethead!

 :peace:

Good, cos Buckethead ain't in the band anymore? : ok:
We all love the old band, but ya got to give the new band a chance, you dig....what I'm sayin'? ?:)

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Not exuse yourself imo...
and if you miss the old band (whoever you is) blame slash and duff 4 leaving, not axl who keeps gunsnroses goin...

and isn't vr a reunion enough 4 you, if that doesn't sound like gnr, buy Chinese Democracy when it's out  : ok:
music is not what it was in 60's anymore either  :'(

But is ok  ::)
I think most here likes the new band and axl's singin- and that it's called gnr is just a cool bonus  :peace:
+ that the hints of musical direction we heard sounds intrestin 2 me  :love:

CD has nothing to do with chances of a reunion.  Also, there can't be a reunion because people don't like to be controlled, and some people can't relinquish any control at all.

NO WAY! NO THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN!

Slash Axl and Duff may talk and make frends and congratul8 on each othas success but thats as far as it goes.

FUCK THE REUNION!!!

As I see the thread turned into another topic like 'Who wants a reunion? Let's vote'.  :confused:

No, even if CD is a big hit it will not facilitate a reunion.

When it comes out it will rock and they will do bands reunited 

I don't know if that will happen.  I mean, Slash and Duff are suing Axl.  I don't think Axl would want to have anything to do with them now.  But maybe I am wrong in my thinking. ???

bands lose credibility when they reunite for the cash and that would be the only reason for the old band to reunite.

Axl doesnt seem fame and money driven enough to drop his ego and pride to reunite.

so NO a reunion will never ever happen.

No, only if CD become a huge failure I think their could be a chance for a reunion....

I only real chance of a reunion will be after the Chinese Democracy thing has blown overand run course.

If Chinese Democracy does really well i think this would create an even bigger gap between the old and new GN'R.

If Chinese Democracy isn't so popular, then Axl will either vanish forever, or should the VR set up fall to pieces too, then maybe all involved with have their feet back on the ground and the old GN'R could reform if only to go back to touring, playing the old material, cover songs and having some fun :)

This may sound a little harsh but maybe they would come back together if one of them died...I mean they've been friends after all, I don't know, it might be possible to forget all the bullshit  :P
But I surely don't wish for that to happen  :no:

The way things are going the reunion could happen before CHINESE DEMOCRACY!

face it people the new gnr isnt your regular band, its a bunch of hired musicians. I really dont think this line up will last that long especially if Axl insist on taking ages in releasing a fucking album. I dont understand people that dont want a reunion, its just dumb because the only GNR has been the original, the new thing hasnt done shit so you cant really judge it, to me its just people wanting to think like Axl and convincing themselves about something thats not gonna happen EVER.
Be reasonable please, we are all GNR fans and so far there is only one lineup that has set the world on fire and unfortunately its long gone.

NO!
LISTEN TO SLASH. HE SAID NO  WAY. DUFF  WILL FOLLOW SLASH. IT  WILL NOT HAPPEN. SLASH IS HAPPY WHERE HE IS.

Not even then man.

As things stand I would like a re-union but, Chinese Democracy has not been released yet. So only then can I say for sure whether I want one or not. As for if it is gonna happen, I highly doubt it.

Gee, I`ve never seen this topic before......

If CD is huge, no way will we see a reunion.

If CD flops or never comes out, no way we`ll see a reunion.

I would like to see a reunion of the CURRENT lineup!!  They should maybe get together, write some songs, record an album, and then tour.  That would be an awesome reunion!!

good point, its been so long since the new lineup has done anything. How about a 3 year reunion!

You mean write more songs, record other albums? Definitely awesome. : ok:

Not a chance.

And if it sucks, Axl will probably keep recording anyway. 8)

Honestly I think, if Chinese democray becomes a huge hit... that is only going to separate even more former Gnr with Axl Rose, because... that is gonna prove him that he doesnt need them anymore... well its sad but true... anyway I know Chinese democracy will be a huge hit... and we will never see Original Gnr members togetther againl...

there is no way of a reunion because axl will not let those other fockers stand back in the spotlight that they so easily walked from. axl has been working to hard to let the old members take credit for anything new!

If anyone thinks that CD becoming a big success (which will be hard in todays HipHop / Country USA market) would make the old GnR unite you are crazy. If you become a huge success why would you resort to going back to the old ways? VR in todays rock market is considered a sucess and if GnR with CD becomes a success why would two successful acts go back to something that might not be successful?

NO!!!

Much as I'd like it to, it ain't never gunna happen!!

I think it all depends on Axls mental situation.  Honestly, i can't think of a normal-minded person leaving the stage, not showing up as he did at concerts.  And breaking up one of the greatest bands ever and continuing on under the same band name being the only original member.  Axl would need some good pills (I recommend Seroquel :hihi:) and a phone call to the old members to get the ball rolling.  I just don't see that happening.