Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Gunners,
I'm just having a laugh with this one but this quote from Slash in a recent VR article suprised me:

He claims that while Velvet Revolver were auditioning singers, the final link in the original GN'R story, guitarist and star songwriter Izzy Stradlin, dropped in on a rehearsal.

"In the process we wrote probably about eight or 12 original songs which would have been the best Guns N'Roses album, had Axl sung it," Slash enthuses. "It was really cool stuff. It wasn't right for Velvet Revolver but with that combination of Duff and Izzy and myself, it was a f---in' bunch of really, really great Guns N' Roses music which unfortunately will probably never see the light of day."

I think this says a lot about Slashs acknowledgement of Axls forever holding position as the spiritual leader of the devastating threesome of Slash, Izzy and Duff.

I wonder what accommodation would have to be come to to get Axl to sing on those tunes? Even if Axl worked alone without ever seeing the other guys and they put it out under a different band name it would be the worst kept secret in music history and the album would sell by the truckload. In fact, has anything as weird as that ever been done successfully by any other musicians?

Sure all parties have moved on but HOT DAMN these kind of quotes make my legs twitch. I cannot help thinking what the old GnR with 52 more years of life lived between them would sound like now. I know this is dead horse stuff but damnnnn???
Peace,
Intercourse

Cool quote...But i think Slash dosent hold huge grudges like Axl..I dont remember Slash trashing any of the members like Axl did...

Who would hae done vocals?

And if it really that good why don't they release it as an Izzy Stradlin album?

It's a pretty understandable thing for slash to say. I wouldn't want to make any claims of knowledge as to his personal feelings towards axl but i think slash has a great deal of respect for axl's talents. The same can be said for axl towards slash tho, he's never doubted the man's ability, maybe his direction tho....

Although i know this isn't serious, any ideas of a reunion in this decade are pretty silly.

In Japan only?

I knew this quote and I'd be happy to hear those tracks with Izzy or even more with Axl singin' ?:drool:

Well who would've thought I'd ever defend Axl in this.  But when did Axl trash the other members in an interview?  Hell in the last 12 years if Axl has done more than 10 interviews I'd be surprised.  I don't know if he even gave 10 interviews in the last 12 years.  And every interview I've read he always says that he and Slash and Duff didn't agree with the direction of the music.  And I even heard an interview on the radio where he praises Slash's talent.  Where Slash trashed Axl a few times.  I agree he praises Axl's talent but he trashed him quite often.  So saying Axl trashes the other guys more often is unfair in my view.  Maybe in private he does so but we have no proof of that.  But in interviews I don't agree with you Malcolm.

Of course not - anyway if Izzy came to his label with an album featuring 4 members of GNR and of top quality i think they'd be more than happy to release it world wide and shock, horror - maybe even promote it! It would be VR but without Scott - oh my, we can only dream.

Sad part is the 4 of them were motivated and rejuvenated at the time they were writing together. One can only imagine what that music sounded like, especially considering Izzy was so interested in getting out and playing with them until the others put the kabosh on it as Izzy just wanted to be the singer, while the others had bigger ideas.

In this same context at one point Slash said that music they wrote sounded more Guns N' Roses than GNR did, and it was the best instrumental album material they had written to date. I don't doubt that claim for one minute as I feel as players Duff,Slash, and Matt are light years ahead of where they were 10 years ago given their new found sober lifestyles and committment to making music, and throwing an interested Izzy into that mix you can just hear it in your head now the type of stuff that must have been coming out of those sessions. For Izzy to have even entertained the idea of wanting to get out and play behind it tells me it was good music. I mean when those 3(slash,duff,Izzy) have written together some truly magical stuff has come out of it, it's just a damn shame it is too rock oriented for VR as we will never get to hear it. It was probably laced with huge solos and just good old fashion hard rock :crying:

Maybe not in interviews because like you said Axl has hardly done any in the last few years. However, if you listen to some of the 2002 Tour bootlegs Axl does say a few harsh things about former members. Here are some examples (they are quoted from memory so are not 100% accurate but u get the idea):

"He's in my Ass!!! Thats where Slash is go home fucktard!" Leeds 2002

"I read a review where some guy said there were a lot of technical problems in the band.... Izzy couldnt hear himself. You want to know why Izzy couldnt hear himself. Because Izzy would be so wacked out that our roadies would have to turn his amps down because once we would start playing a song Izzy would begin playing an entirely different song. Another interesting tidbit for your trivial persuit"

"Slash may look like the fucking De La Hoya but he can suck my dick!"

Im sure there are others but that is just a few examples. Axl does not hold off on the other members.

Jonx

Now give some exaples of Slash or Izzy insulting Axl, oh yeah there aren't any.
It's a good point that if Izzy actually wanted to go on tour those songs must have been good, either that or he was drunk? : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Thanks for sharing that Intercourse. Slash is very pragmatic about the music. He knows what Axl can do. I think Axl knows what he can do. Funny how the stuff in the middle can fuck it all up.

From what I read, Slash seems to switch sides a lot.  After the "Vegas incident", in an interview he called Axl "his boy" and the next minute he called Axl "that little bastard", in the same interview.  Maybe he likes the thought of GN'R getting back together.  Like, in his head, he imagines Axl getting his shit together and straightening out and apologizing, etc.  And they do a show or something.  But then the logical or realistic side of Slash knows that it's never going to happen.

i thought vr were all about the "rock"

You're right JohnnyBlood old son.
What a balls...an album that could transend ALL rock music today is sitting in a fucking vault somewhere. :crying:

However, I must say that this 'never going to happen' thing between Axl and the boys is not definite, nothing except death and taxes really is.

Surely quotes like this tweak his interest, to know that your original team has a set of tunes that were made for YOU and YOU ALONE to sing over and to know that that team propelled your talent and vision into the stratosphere in the first place. I?m sure it would become very hard to ignore especially  if his own attempts to carry on with GNR are met with hostility and ambivalence from fans and press alike if and when CD finally comes out.
peace,
Intercourse.

Since Scott plans to release a solo album, I hope that the guys will find the best way to spend their free time: record and tour with Izzy and those songs  :yes:

 ::)

Misinterpreting his sentence doesnt give you a point.  Ill help you out - its too "classic rock-based" for VR.  Understand now?


???

Where did you hear this?

It's nice to hear that Slash still thinks fondly of axl's musical contribution to GnR, namely there are songs which VR couldn't pull off respectfully that Axl could. I find some solace in the mention, much more than any comment directed toward the business end of GnR.

yeah, I hope Slash, Izzy, Duff and Steven record those songs with Izzy singing and then release it!
that would be incredible! :yes:

Just like Axl said the stuff they were working on before Slash quit was the  "meanest, most contemporary, bluesiest, rocking thing since Aerosmith?s Rocks". But that didn't happen because, according to Axl, Slash didn't wanna work on it.

Now Slash says the only thing missing is Axl's vocals.....




/jarmo

Erm, months ago, as I remember when Scott was laying down vocals, there was some news that Scott would want to do a solo album in the next years.

how is that trashing slash? if anything its trashing the fan in the crowd that had the sign.

Again how is this trashing? He is stating a fact. Izzy was fucked up back then. Slah has even said it in older interviews that Izzy was so fucked up that they had to turn his amps down.


Thats a fact too, besides the suck my dick part which he never even said. Slash looks like hes the nicest guy ever, but in reality hes an asshole who will do anything for money and publicity.

I've found this tiny mention of the solo album, but I think we should continue this in the VR thread.


Scott Weiland Forced Into Rehab
Friday October 31, 2003 @ 04:00 PM
(...)
The latest news resulting from Monday?s incident: the Stone Temple Pilots/Velvet Revolver singer has been court-ordered to spend six months in a residential drug rehab centre.
(...)
The STP/Velvet Revolver frontman has also started his own record label (Softdrive) and is working on his second solo album. We?ll see if he can get it together for the sake of the music.



http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2003/10/3102.cfm

i think you are a little off on this quote, im pretty sure he said something like "slash may seem like de la hoya but he's really the fucking vargas"

'and I am Serpico and they are the bad cops and they can suck my dick' or something like that.

One day, when we are all over 60 and enjoying our retirement, we will all belong to an Assisted Living facility group night out and on the bill will be this:

Guns n' Roses reunited.

Come and see what no one thought would ever happen. ?


So, we will all sign up (similar to a Grayline Sightseeing bus) charted tour to see the show. ?We will all have a section near the disabled area and will rock out in our wheelchairs.

Axl's braids will be gray, but he'll still move and sing like a motherfucker
Slash's hair will be white (and he have found his stolen top hat) and will pump us with guitar solos
Izzy will weigh 300 pounds
Steven will be the normal one since he was the most fucked up one during their prime so he will come full circle
Duff will use only non verbal communication since he doesn't have much of a memory and relies on Matt fill him in on what happened during their prime.


They will play everything off of AFD, UYI 1 and 2, TSI, CD and VR, and few Slash guitar solos off of Snakepit.

Buckethead will open for them? :hihi:

The show will kick major ass.

Don't worry about the price of the tickets either because we will all be able to have AARP/Senior Citizen discounted tickets : ok:

Don't say never because you just never know how or what will happen in a lifetime.

Who's with me? :P

Belive me I know Steven will never be normal  :hihi:

 :smoking: Izzy  :smoking:

I wouldn't read to much into this. It's a "what might have been" kinda thing. I think Slash is happy with VR and I think Axl's pride will never allow him to get the original GN'R back together. If he did reform the old-school GN'R, he would acknowledge those who say GN'R is not GN'R without Slash, Duff, and Izzy, and his version of GN'R 2001-would forever be considered fraudulent.

Now, several years from now, when CD has come and gone, that's another story...

"He's in my Ass!!! Thats where Slash is go home fucktard!" Leeds 2002
this is one of the funniest axl quotes - i piss myself laughing every time i read it

Thanks for posting that and I agree 100%. Any talk that even cracks the door a tad on even a remote possibility that GnR in it's orignal incarnation could possibly/maybe record new music together again is ... I can't think of a word that properly describes it, scary/awesome/fucking great/outstanding...

The GnR story is such a tragedy.

With all the time Axl spends being silent, you would think his chances of saying something so profoundy stupid would be decreased....

You can say a lot of things about Slash, but the man knows his rock music history- and he must constantly lament that just when Guns was seemingly on the verge of cementing themselves with the likes of Zeppelin and the Stones with just one more great album- the whole thing disintegrated. For that reason alone- I think he will always leave the door slightly ajar for a reunion- no matter how bad things get. Axl on the other hand... I don't think the man is driven by that same motivation. He's looking to express his art- and at the moment- Slash is the wrong guitar player to do so (in his eyes). Period. :-\

Haha that video clips at mygnr.com if anyone wants to see it. Axl says it during the middle of Patience or some other ballad.

I like VR myself. I even like the songs that many people think are sub-par, like Big Machine. But I would rather have a real GnR album all the same. Maybe VR will take a break before recording their album after the next one. During that time CD will either be a phenomenon or 'just' do as well as Contraband.
Then maybe Axl's current muscians will need to take a break, and during that time Axl and VR minus Scott will get together, create the album, then things will blow up and Axl will try to get a court order to prevent the next real GnR album from coming out.
But then someone will release this next real GnR album on the file sharing networks, and we'll get what we want, minus the touring part, whether anyone likes it or not.
Then VR will release a third album and Axl will get to work on the sequel to CD. I could live with that.

Slash just likes to blame everything on Axl.  If Slash slipped and fell on stage with VR, he'd make it out to be Axl's fault somehow. 

I don't think Slash would do anything with Axl even if Axl wanted to.  I can't think of any other way to describe Slash than that he is a tease.  Like, on BTM he implies that something could possibly happen with GN'R someday. 

he wants to be the good guy. In a way he is saying '' well, we could kick ass all over again, but we can't because of axl"..

I bet those "great songs" that izzy wrote for VR don't even exist... and if they do I bet they're not that good to begin with, I don't buy that whole "they were not good for VR".

Maybe Slash didn't want that connection to GN'R.  Or Izzy didn't want his songs on there.

Well, Slash isn't coming off as the good guy.  He just makes himself sound like an ass.  And he confuses the fans.  Because they're left wondering "would Slash do a reunion or not?".

the only reason why Axl n' Slash were friends it's just cuz Slash knew that Axl was a' amazing singer from the start, slash knew he couldn't find a special singer around the planet like Axl Rose so he had to take the guy to make GNR Band but it's easy to see that Axl n' Slash weren't good friends deep own inside always...drugs, parties, MONEY n' whores were the only ways to hold those guys together for awhile but anyway GNR was destroyed in the end  :-\

They have to miss each other.  Maybe it's one of those things where they need to get together and smack each other with guitars in order to work things out.

dream on!  ::)

...those guys hate each other right now when the new album n' a lot of shows have been canceled because of Slash, because of ex gnr members!!!! all what they have they're old memories which make'em all see they reached fame out once, that's it!  :(
...n' please believe me, Slash never loved Axl like his true friend...slash could love Steven or Duff more than he loved Axl always!  :yes:

Unfortunately, I have the gut feeling your right on the money RoseVen.  :crying:

I just wish Izzy had a deeper part in the new GnR album at least. And hell, get Adler back, at least for the recording.

I know for a God Damn fact that Slash and the rest would hook up with Axl in a flash, just don't know about Izzy. I think it could happen.

They didnt do the Izzy songs because they werent right for VR. ?Plain and simple. ?Scott (and the other guys) chose to work with other material.


To whom? ?Message board posters who constantly attribute non-existant quotes to VR members?


Again, whos confused? ?Maybe youve made up some more quotes for Slash that conflict with the real ones, but hes made it very clear that no reunion is happening.

Why not Izzy? ?Izzy has tried to rekindle things between him and Axl, right? ?I don't think Izzy would want to do anything big (like an album), 'cause he doesn't want the spotlight, but he'd probably do a show or something if Axl apologized.

Have you seen BTM?  At the end, Slash said that there was no reason for them to get back together unless they had some sort of mutual understanding or respect. 

And it understood thats not going to happen - thus no reunion.

Well, this proves that Slash confuses the fans. 

It's not going to happen. There's their huge egos.

Izzy wouldn't do it because he don't want to deal with Axl.
Slash don't do it because he seems like he hates Axl (stated in Slash's interview on the VH1 GNR BTM - The Mr Brownstone part.
Axl resents Slash for not follow Axl's dream and Izzy for going back to LaFayette(I think that's the city they promise never to go back.) Before Mr. Book says something (it's what I think Axl feels, thing that is not of my concern or I believe.)
Duff, I think that he would follow what Slash would decide.
Steven surely would be first on line.

Peace out.  :peace:

You don't know how they feel about each other.  But you are right about their egos.

However they may feel about each other, or however they think they feel about each other, if they were in a room together, it'd be a whole different story.

With moderators and bodyguards...  But I agree with you on this.

 :smoking: ...I don't know what might happen to them then but if u notice Axl was singing with Clark at a famous bar in L.A city in 2000 so maybe it's a good sing that they might come back to talk each other in a room or on the phone at least but we also gotta recognize that Slash, Izzy n? Steven they feel a? ugly resentment to Axl so that shall be a problem to make'em be face to face!!!!...well, I don't know what to think about it truly!!! ... only God knows what might happen in this kind of situation in the end!  :-\

I should've used a better word then trashed..i just meant like Axl seems all bitter..he always says my "former" friend and on the 2002 tour he was trashing Izzy saying theyd turn his amps down cause he didnt know which niote to play..and i havent heard him say anyhting positive about them is all i meant

he wasn`t trashing izzy. that was just a fact...

.... ?:o ?What the fuck are u talking about? do ya have a proof of that? I'd believe ya if you give us a proof only!!! no matter that Izzy's gone in 1991 cuz Axl will always love him, n' I do have a proof about it for ya, you just check the don't cry video out to see how many times Izzy appears at there somehow!!!!!...specially when Axl gets taking a rest in that room!, if you see its making the video so you also will notice that Axl won?t stop loving Izzy always, for some reason Axl does love him more than you think! ?:smoking:

Everyone loves Izzy? :yes:? : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

I don't.

And whatever happened 14 years ago in the making of a video doesn't seem very relevant now.  A lot can happen in that amount of time, or even a shorter amount of time.  I'm sure Axl knows Izzy's a jerk.

Yeah Slash and Duff have both been very professional about that whole Axl thing since the break up

i agree,   slash showing up at the vagas show-  you know he was just begging to be invited on stage (wich would have been cooo-ul),
does anyone remember when slash did the Jimmy Kimmel show the first week?-  when jimmy said "we have a special friend who wants to say hi"..  and that fat dude in an axl costume came out-   slash was totally thinking it was really going ot be him-  i never seen him smile like that-   he looked dissapointed when it was'nt really him

:o I'm shocked and disgusted....? :hihi:
No one has any reason to dislike Izzy, well some people do? :confused:, but not Gn'R fans, anyway this thread ain't about Izzy

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

I don't know why, but it looks like in 10 years these guys might go on a stage together and play 1 or 2 songs...


















Maybe...

Slash would probably be all for a reunion somewhere down the line, but something tells me that he's more than happy with Velvet Revolver in the meantime.

What kind of "reunion message" did Slash send to Axl, when Duff and Slash sued Axl?




/jarmo

Well that's business Jarmo.
Gilby sued Axl and they talked and sang together since...
I think Axl can identify with the 'each for their own' attitude that Slash & Duff are showing through the lawsuit, Axl has lived a lot of his GnR life that way.

Again, I do not understand why people bring a 'personal' dimension into this lawsuit. People rarely risk millions of dollars in legal fees to 'get on an old band mates nerves'. They have obviously reviewed the contractual fallout from the break up of the old band and feel they have a legit case to be heard. If they don't, they will loose and probably have to pay the legal fees for both sides i.e. millions of dollars. To trivialize this as a personal vendetta is just over simplifying the issue and being somewhat unfair to Slash & Duff.
Intercourse.

I think Gilby sued GN'R, not just Axl.

I think that when former friends sue you, you won't start liking them more than you did before the lawsuit.




/jarmo

you're so full of shit your eyes are brown..  what about halloween last year?  wtf was that?  and slash makes comments all the time slagging off axl in interviews, even if its subtle..    $lash is a major cock, make no mistake.

and the difference between what $lash/duff says and what very little axl has ever said is, what axl says is the truth  :smoking:

before or later we will see reunion
one man said"what is politicy?LIFE IS POLITICY"

Since GN'R fired him, not Axl cause he was contracted to the band, not the lead singer. But this was Axl's decision.

In my opinion, there's still a little difference in suing GN'R and suing Axl.

Steven sued GN'R too (when Slash was in the band). That didn't stop Slash from playing with Steven.

Oh, maybe that was also Axl's fault....




/jarmo

I think the situation is different. Steven and Gilby had to sue GN'R for having been fired. Slash and Duff can't sue GN'R for using the name or nixing movie opportunities - they have to sue Axl. They can't sue GN'R for their '2 GN'Rs at the same time, Axl left the band' thing... As Intercourse said I can't imagine them suing Axl and risking the loss of millions for only the pleasure of making Axl angry  :no:

BTW years ago Axl sued Slash for using 'GN'R songs' for his first Snakepit record, didn't he?

That's what I'm saying, suing the band like Gilby and Steven did is a bit different than suing Axl (what Duff and Slash did).

Suing a person is more personal than suing a company.


So, maybe Axl didn't take Gilby's lawsuit as personal as he might take the current one from his former band members.

I'm just getting tired of these reunion threads. If it happens, it happens. It's not gonna be 1987 all over again even if it does happen one day.



/jarmo

if they did do a re union i would try to fly out to america to see them.

Yes, but I say that they couldn't have chosen a better way (or even other way) to get back their say and rights over the GN'R cathalogue. I don't see it as a personal attack, they sued the only person/company they could - and it was a person, Axl.

suing GNR now a days is suing Axl . Axl is GNR on legal paper now, he takes full responsibility for all the bands activities.


in response to what you have said, taking royalties or denying potential earnings from former band mates is a pretty personal offence  too (if it's true).  Let the law decide who is wrong here.
peace,
Intercourse.

Dude Im with ya but I hope they have a huge sound system because I will probably be hard of hearing from listening to that rebel rock music in my younger days lol! "Wow look at those girls boobies someone pass me some viagra"

Back to the topic.

Does this topic remind anyone of High School drama its all what he said vs. what he says. Axl will say what Axl wants his people to believe and Slash will say what he wants his people to believe. What VR is doing is good decent music but its not up to par at what Slash,Duff,Matt can really acomplish they are still missing 2 pieces to there puzzle. Axl and Izzy! Music now has to be the worst it has been in a long time, from the terrible rap music all over the radio to the so called new rock music being played on radio 75% of it is crap. Music needs a change and I hope it can be Chinese Democracy but we havent seen any proof that CD is going to really happen. (Axl I still have faith) In the mean time I can just hope to one day that Axl and the rest of the? guys can shake hands and be a band once again, or at least be friends again. We all know these guys can make some great kick ass fuck you music. One thing is for sure your closest friends you have\had in your life hold a special place in your heart and bad blood can one day be forgiven.

how has he deprived those money hungry media whores of anything?   its not like he denyed them any royalties he hasn't also received.

yeah, u're right dude!!!!  : ok:


 :hihi:....if y'all notice after all Clark had to put his head down in front Axl Rose in 2000, the guy loves Axl Rose once again when he spoke all that shit 'bout Axl Rose in 1994...all those suckers tried to make us see for years that Axl is the only one to blame when they're also a piece of shit truly!!!!  :smoking:

Unbelievable.
These guys write the music you love and you assume the worst of them every time.
Izzy, Duff, Slash on one side, Axl on the other. Go figure.

Yup.

Who else were they to sue? Tommy Stinson and Fortus? Any current player Axl has with him these days?

so what do ya want to hear from us? a big lie to pretend that those guys are doin' it right this time?  ::)

please, they're the persons who bring axl down since 1994, that's the reason why gnr hasn't a new album yet!,...got it now buddy?  :smoking:

Dophin,  That was so funny. I've been telling my kids that when I'm old and in the home and phase out, to just turn up my music. Every Time I hear Axl on the radio I still smile. 
I think that the guys should just secretly get together and reintroduce themselves and see if they can get along now that they are old enough to not be as narrow-minded. 
Since they are sober and can hear the shear awesomeness of the sounds they make. Maybe they can again unite and play for the greater good - the music. That is why they joined in the first place but they were young, naive, super star minded and wasted.
They have now lived, loved and fucked up. Haven't we all? You just grow up, learn from your mistakes and try again.  If nothing else just blame it on the drugs, smile and deny it all. Ha  Ha.
If bigger bands have broken up and reunited then GnR can to.   
 :D

Izzy is far from a media whore, and i dont see him suing anyone.. so i wasn't talking about him.  whats unbelievable to me is there are people who look at those other guys as the reason for gnr and they dont even like axl rose.. when it was axl who was the heart and soul of the band from day one.

I think Izzy is on both sides and no side.  The two who are the scumbags here are Slash and Duff. So sure Axl would die without them. Well get over it dudes... he didn't!

 :beer:  yeah that's correct so I just wonder today if Duff n' Slash are gettin' nice with his new healthy friend called Scott? aren't they?  ::) ... but hey wait a second guys, why don't they take Steven to play with'em to date? oh holly shit! maybe the answer is Steven doesn't like to share his cocaine with  :rant:  :-\  :no: