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what do you think: ???

A) One thing is not linked to the another
B) Things will go faster: Mr. Rose has to show that he also has "grammy winners" in his pocket
C) Things will go slower: Mr. Rose will back to studio until he thinks he has a "grammy winner"

No

I don't think Axl has ever really put much value on winning grammies. He could just as easily look at VR's grammy as a strike against them as anything he should be nervous about.

there`s alot of funny topic!

 But this one made me  :hihi:  :rofl: 

Hope u dident mean that!

I dont think Axl even thinks about those guys.

what Axl has to do with VR?  ::)

Bullshit! You people mean to tell me Axl never thinks about the old band? I don't think he is jealous of them. And I hope to think he doesn't think about them much. But I'm sure he gets urked when he hears shit about them (commenting on Axl being a fuck up, etc.) and sees them performing on stage. You know, if I spent that much time with a group of people and went through what must have been an incredible ride and journey... I'd definetly have feelings about them. Maybe I'd be glad they were no longer a part of my life, but showing them up has to cross his mind every once in a while. Especially on the terms they split on. But as far as VR influencing CD's release n shit, I doubt that highly.

Option A. No relation whatsoever.

2006 Grammy's album of the year Chinese Democracy by Guns N Roses.  Has a nice ring to it :smoking:

A

I don't say never but I can't imagine that he or anyone thinks about the old band more than some ppl here do. :hihi:

Grammys are all a sham. Its political and not really what is the best music out there.

I disagree with those who don't think Axl cares about acclaim for this record. I think that's exactly why he's taking so long. Axl loves approval and can't deal with disapproval.

Why else would he call out John Pareles of the NY Times 15 years after the guy wrote a so-so review of a GNR show? And Conan O'brien for making a silly goof on him? And countless others for minor infractions? And give Kurt Loder a friendly on-air pat on the back at the 2002 VMAs for his good words concerning the new band?

Axl cares a lot what people think.

Axl would love for Chinese Democracy to get 5 stars in Rolling Stone, all the Grammy's it's eligible for, MTV video awards, best album ever, Nobel Prize. And he would like for Slash, Duff, Izzy, Steven, Matt, Curt Cobain wherever he is, Allan Niven, the Indiana people, Stephanie Seymour, his dead father, etc to know all about his fine achievements.

He wants major recognition and validation. I don't doubt it for a minute.

PS: I am personally hoping Axl gets everything he wants, too, and when his moment in the sun comes, I'm hoping that all those people listed above will acknowledge Axl's better qualities instead of obsessing over his well-known shortcomings.

I don't see why it should, VR are out there doing thier thing and doing ok. GN'R are on their way to doing their thing. 
As for CD, i only see it appealing to GN'R fans and many of those only liked GN'R for AFD.

Good post  :beer:

Why is that? Do you think it will be that AFDish?

Thank you Booker.  :beer:

Oh he will definately care how the critics view his record, as well as how the concerts go. Axl is obsessed with the media; he can't stand when they inevitably turn on him.

As for VR, I doubt very much he cares. The music scene is so different now than when GnR were at their peak. Imagine AFD next to Vertigo or American Idiot. No contest. At least we would hope the voters see it that way.

having said that, I doubt CD receives any Grammy consideration aside from technical merit. There are alot of people out there who hate the redhead and would only cross the street to spit in his face. It doesn't mean that CB will be a better disc than CD, but CB was such a safe, middle of the road, vanity play on VR's part, it couldn't fail in this atmosphere of polished, bubble gum  oxygen sucking divas and punk-ish posers.

I agree with your post Johnny Blood (excellent post btw). My only point is that he can achieve all that without a grammy specifically- just as he did back in 91-93 when GN'R was the biggest thing on the planet without winning a single grammy award. I just think most legitimate people in music (Axl included) don't really gauge the "greatness" of bands by how many grammy awards they have. I don't think anyone ranks the Rolling Stones ahead of Zeppelin because they have 7 grammies and Zep has 4 (made up numbers) or whatever. I mean, Milli Vanilli won a grammy for christ's sake, so how reputable can it be?

As far as CD actually bringing in a grammy award some day- I don't see it. Many people who vote for these awards would sooner cut their arms off than hand Axl Rose a grammy on national TV... I think there's still tons of animousity for Axl in the industry because of One In A Million alone. Which is an interesting double standard given the "free pass" they give many African-American rappers and Eminem. It's almost as if it's a "tolerable" form of expression from urban gangsters, but not from Indiana farm boys who should know better.

could you imagine if the world ended before the album was released. That would be a piss off for many lol. I wouldnt be pissed about not hearing the album though, id be peed i was dead.

Axl doesnt make music to win Grammys, He makes it because he loves music and he wants to get his Anger,Pain,love,joy and all other emotions expressed through the music but he js happens to be very talented at not only doing that but making the music that millions of ppl love. I think thats one of the reasons that GnR got as big as it did, Because ppl know music thats coming from the artists soul when they hear it

So Im gonna say No I dont think the Grammy phases him, Hes not gonna return to win a grammy thats exactly why I believe hes going to win one (with all the shitty competition he has he's bound to win at least one or two)  :peace:

MY point was, many people only like GN'R for AFD and the UYI didn't really apeal to those people. So in short, what i am saying is, the sort of people that want to hear CD are the ones who liked AFD as well as all the other albums. Then again, CD could be that great that it'll attrach a whole new bunch of people. Then again, it maybe not?

I declare this post the winner, thread over ....  : ok:

No doubt about it.

Great post man  :beer:

Couldn't have said it better

Neither of past gnr's masterpieces has ever won a grammy, so why would a grammy won by velvet revolver affect the release of chinese demo.??  axl won't care a bit about his old ex friends winning.

Contraband is nowhere near the quality of old gnr's records, so for them winning a grammy with afd, lies and uyi's not winning one, the importance of such an award is not much imo.

I dont think it will directly have any influence, no. I honestly feel that CD is finished and as a consequence Axl must feel it is as good as it can be - something is in the air I feel - it is coming soon  :drool: