Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Do you think the Ex GNR members realize that although Axl was hard to deal with,? his talents and abilities kinda give him a pass with his whole "behavior problem"? Like I get the idea from the VR camp that Scott is this lil premidonna biatch and falls short of what the ex members are used to.

Meaning if your going to be a prmidonna you better step up. I think that in a weird way the ex members can relate to Axl more than Scott. They know Axl is? fucked up but they know that he also hits a home run when writing and performing so they cant say much about his other stuff.

But with Soctt...he tries to be this savior for rock badass type thing but just doesnt pull it off when being compared to what wa sbefore him. I wonder if the ex members get frustrated with the fact that they once had somehting so special yet its all gone simply because their ex frontman is kinda crazy....and now have to move on with a good but not great frontman....even though Slash and Duff are great in thier own right have to take a step down in terms of the team thing

I think they, like many others, can't help ask the question "what could have been". I really doubt they have feeling of regret attached to leaving GnR. In fact, if they do have feelings of regret, they are probably quickly reassured, when they see how long it takes for one album to be released.

They might respect Axl but want to work with him? If you were a rich, famous, acclaimed artist, would you like to throw away your career by taking 10 years in between albums?

Axl in his prime is more successful than Scott is at age 36 now, but with Axl's current age and recent performences i think they see Scott as a better front man. Scott is clearly the guy they wanted fronting the band. I didnt hear any rumors of the 5 trying to hook up again with Axl. They wanted to do they're own thing and prove to any doubters that GNR wasnt Axl and 4 drunk guys. And for the most part they've done that.

Yeah, I think deep down, they know that without Axl, they would probably have a very very different life, and underneath the bad blood, I'm sure Slash and Duff have respect for him. I think the same can be said for Axl.

As far as Steven is concerned, I'm not too sure. I have a feeling he would immediately join if Axl/VR asked him to, but until then just talks smack.

Oh, I forgot to say something. As far as Scott is concerned, like you mentioned, I wouldnt' be surprised if Slash looks at this band and once in a while thinks "What the fuck is this? I'm fucking Slash, and I need a frontman. I'm wasting all my precious solos on this crap. "

Dude, it isnt like frontmen grow on trees. Theres like 2 or 3 that Slash might consider building a band with. He knows Snakepit never got big because of the frontmen not being any good. Theres Axl, Scott a few others, and then the quality starts dropping way down...

Well, I actually think you have a point there. Scott is a poser (IMO) and I'm not very fond of him. I like the Contraband album but Scott is just tryin too hard to be this old-skool David Bowie or Iggy Pop. It's not original in any way. He's a wannabe.

And that might work fine for a mediocre band. But this is Slash and Duff and they were in THE biggest RnR band of the last 20 years, so I think they can do better than that. I think that if Axl would work a little faster they'd still be playing together.

On the other hand, Duff and Slash are all cleaned up now as is Izzy. I think that's also something that Axl might find a little shitty since they are now really good players and not on drugs or drinks. I like the New GNR but everyone has to admit that Slash and Duff can play the shit out of everyone in the new line-up. And the combination of Izzy, Axl, Slash and Duff would still make amazing music. Everybody knows that and so do Slash and Axl.

But I don't ever see it happening again.

The bottom line is frustration caused them to leave GNR. Im pretty sure they are stress free these days. A number one album and successful world tour will do that for ya i reckon : ok:

I think this thread (obviously a reaction to the other "Axl/VR" thread) demonstrates the frustration, and perhaps jealousy, of die-hard Axl fans in light of VRs success.? It wreaks of sourness, and the typical "knock the ex-members(or Weiland) to aggrandize Axl" routine that were all-too familiar with.

The thing is, Youngunner, the guys in VR dont share your opinion of Scott.? Therefore this thread is more about the bitter frustration of the "Silkworms is incredible/Chinese Democracy will rule the world/Madagascar is a top 5 GNR song," die-hard brand of Axl fan.? Theres quite a few people who think Scotts one of, if not the best, frontmen out there, and that includes the VR guys.? And its also likely that, like quite a few people, the VR guys dont think Axls as great as he used to be.? Duff has stated he was less-than-impressed with Axl at the VMAs.? They were with Axl during his prime, and now theyre with another great frontman during his...I think theyre quite content. 

We got it: You dont think Weilands as good as Axl, or a great lyricist, or a great frontman, etc.  You think the new GNR is the greatest thing in the world.  Its safe to say that the guys in VR dont share your opinions, and that should answer your question.

Right On!!!! : ok:

Scott is great...great singer and great performer !

I will have to admit that I think Axl is at a all time low in public perception. The simple fact is that he really fucked up his comeback and image with the VMA'S and US Tour. People could somewhat accept the freaky band because they rocked. However, Axl just looked like a clown with the braids and stupid fucking sports jersey's as well as sounding horrible at the VMA'S. Rio and the Vegas shows were much better-looked cool and the band, again, rocked. Now, that is the past-it is over. Can Axl comeback? Yes, but it will take an image makeover and a monster album-which I think he will give us. Axl does have alot of songwriting talent and a killer band who worked with him in the studio (who will show up on a new tour-who knows?). Only one thing keeps me interested in this project-Coma. Anybody that has the emotional depth and artistic creativity to put that monster together (lyrically and special effects) has got an assload of talent. I think we will get a couple of these emotional masterpieces on Chinese. Let's just hope Axl is mentally stable enough to handle the public scrutiny that will come when he leaves the cave. I don't know if he is or not. ???  ps on topic, I don't think the old members are jealous at all. They seem VERY content to me. I don't particularly like the album or overall band, but it is pretty good and has been a success.

scott has drugproblems which i think is something they more can releate 2, people with bad child luggage can be hard 2 handle and understand,
and drugusers, as they where at the time, may not be the right ones 2? ::) i think it's that, understandin...

it may be like this 4 slash etc, but i think axl enjoyed, he rich, succesful, has musical recognition in history
have the time and tools (bad english) 2 create what he wanna and an album and future the genereal public intrested and looking forward 2? ;)

they seem mispleased w the gnr-stuff, but seems 2 enjoy vr so, good luck 2 them? : ok:

Scott is cool but he talks WAY too much about "how unpredicatble this band is" or "dangerous"  and shit like that...

They are FAAARRR From being a dangerous band..  yeah 5 old sober rockers are far from dangerous...

So yes Scott is a poser.....  he needs to just shut up and let Slash and Duff be the mouthpieces for the band off stage....


The fact that they all just won a grammy makes me think that they are FARRRR from frustrated...


If they had stayed with axl they wouldnt have been up there recieving that Grammy.....

The only guy who should be frustrated is  playing with "Hollywood Buldozer" or whatever the fuck that they call that band this month....

I really dont want rpetuate this notion that VRs "dangerous," but in fairness, Scott hasnt been sober for five years.  In fact, he was arrested only a year and a half ago which did genuinely give the course of VRs future an unpredictable spin.  Hes really the only one the "dangerous" tag could apply to these days.  Its Duffs constant danger claims that I find silly, untrue and unnecessary.  But I also agree that should all drop it.

  :rofl:

Scott is the right man for them today. They must be happy. Long live VR. 
I'm a GN'R fan. :peace:

Should this thread be in this section?
Is this the influence of that ARV guy, YG??  :confused:

I think Velvet Revolver would have been better with just Duff, Slash, Matt and..... Izzy. That would have been much better and then they could start to get friendly with Axl and then what do you know Axl forgives Izzy, Izzy forgives Axl, Axl forgives Slash n' Duff and we get the happy family we all grew up with back, everybodies happy. - - - - - Sorry I was day dreaming ?again ?:-\ ?Damn it ?>:(

 :smoking: Izzy ?:smoking:

Fuck them it was their decision they have to live with it.

Agreed to the nth power.

As I've stated many a time, this smacks of another attempt at putting something down to elevate another.

true

Jealousy of VR? What exactely would I be jealous of? If the music was worth it, then Id be jealous.

And how do I knock the ex members? I knocked Weiland. I quickly acknowledged CO point of the maybe having a different perspective now or maybe more respect now dealing with 2 different frontmen. One obiviously better than the other. How is that knocking the ex members. I called them great. I said they should be with greatness not a regular frontman.

All I was stating was my opinion of how I PERCIEVE things to be. Just an opinion. You can bash Silkworms all you want but atleast its different and interesting. I know, I know why listen to silk worms when you have a chilling song like LTA.
Again, of course Scott is one of the best frontmen out there today. Im talking in the grand scheme of things. But if Axl ever comes out of the hole there is not 1 person that can hold a candle to his abilities of writing and performing and overall aura.
I sure as hope the ex members think highly of Scott. But when being with some1 who was obiviously much better and then go to Scott there are some differences and comparisons.
And as I stated in my initial post...I wonder how the ex members view Axl now after working with him and then Scott....


DId the old guys leave because Axl is "washed up", or because they couldnt tolerate his behavior anymore?

Yep that about sums it up...but that wasnt the point of the thread. As i Have stated in the initial post, I was discussing the respect aspect of the 2 frontmans in relation to the ex members.

I love Axl to death and think that he will no doubt provide some killer music for us, but the guy is 43 years old. From here going forward, he is not going to be the performer we remember in 1991. He somewhat shattered that aura with the VMA's in 2002 no matter how much we like to try and spin it otherwise. I did catch them on tour in 2002 and he was great, but as a performer he isn't what he once was. I would argue at this point at least in a live show format that Wieland at 36 is certainly in the league of Axl at 43.

Long story short this whole thing about jealousy is stupid as anyone with a vested interest in Axl is going to belittle the efforts being made by the old guys and chalk it up to a weak musical scene and not making timeless music, and anyone who loves Axl is going to paint the picture that he is going to release an all time classic that will show the world he is a musical God and he didn't need any of the old guys anyway. Nothing is ever going to be accomplished trying to debate the merits of either side.

I don't see how anyone can debate the fact that Axl has released only one original song in 14 years. Any discussion on Axl is purely speculative. Youngun, defending Axl is a losing battle. Without an album, you really have no arguments. >:(

Unfortuantly Naupis is right Axl ain't getting any younger and we'll never see him the way he was? :no:
But being that old doesn't been he can't be a great preformer he's? 7 years or whatever years older than Weiland but he's still got more charisma than him. I don't see much, if any of a future for VR and I don't think deep inside that Slash and Duff see any future for the band. Obviously it's wrong to rate a band on it's first record but if I was Slash I would never have left Gn'R. Axl and the ex-members should listen to Patience for a while and then get back together? ?:)

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

why would anyone wan't that  ::)

Why would anyone not want that? ???
Don't you like the old band?
If Axl and Izzy were back together for even one day around 7 great songs would probably come out.

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Really?  ???  Care to elaborate?

of course i like the old band? :headbanger:

Scott is very talented, as is Axl

The question I think about is, where would Slash and Duff be now without Axl. I have always thought that they complimented Axl vey well, but if they had never met Axl, I wonder what would have happened with the pair of them

Jealousy? Let me tell you, even though I'm not a "blind-fold axl follower," I don't think that are jealousy from any camp. However, I think that you my friend are quite "paranoic." ?Let me see jealous of poor songs, crappy lyrics. Sure my friend. While you consider yourself always right, others cannot state their opinion because they write wrong things to the best thing since jam. You know, you remind me of the movie "Head of State", I can even hear you saying: "I'm expert on grammar, I'm never wrong, I have the best musical taste and I'm Sharon Stone's cousin." I don't agree with Axl carrying "Guns N' Roses" name; but it's not my decision. But in your opinion, Axl is responsible for GNR breakup, that Axl is the only one making money when they sell a cd. You know buddy , you're quite biased. You don't know the truth, and nobody does. Only the ones that belonged on the group, you just have decided to side with somebody. I advice you if CD comes out; don't buy it, because it's going to be plagued with lyrics of a hasbeen; riffs by a goth(I still don't know why they say that about him, when he didn't use makeup on the 2002 tour) and a nsync player or a yes-man keayboard player, or a know-nothing bass player, and the other freaks.
Oh, by the way english is my second language, so you can say that the semantic of the properties of the disjunctive form of the verb is not correct so my full post is just creation of my silly opinions. ?:peace:
Thank you for the lesson of right and wrong. oh I was almost forgetting. you see wht do you think of this lyrics
"The rape of the turtle diskette
in my hershey's bar tank of water
with vomit the abortion of a watch naked
in water boiling jello commanding water flu poop" Doesn't it sound dangerous? ?:smoking:

Yes, please enlighten.

 

One could wonder the same about Axl, what if he'd never collaborated with Slash?

Based on his activity/results since the departure of Slash, one can draw their own conclusions.

True

Once CD is released, we'll be able to compare it to the first Snakepit album and see then who is top of the class

Thankyou Falcon for making this very necessary post. Making timeless music seemed to come easy and fast when Slash was around(5 albums in 7 years), since he's been gone we've gotten 10 years of nothing. That should speak volumes as I believe actions speak louder than words.

Yes. : ok:

Not at all as Snakepit was not GNR as Slash wasn't going to try and change the world.

We will compare Axl's next record to the Illusions, as it is the true follow up to GNR's last album of original material. Remember, this is a GNR album, not the Axl solo project(or at least that is the argument of every New GNR fanatic on this board). Slash was having fun with his own stuff, Axl is trying to continue GNR's legacy.

You are comparing apples to oranges in comparing Slash's solo project to a GNR album. It's a nice attempt at spinning the argument though, when everyone knows that Axl and Slash had totally different ambitions and circumstances behind their projects.

maybe gunsnroses have more material than old gnr?

 ???

Maybe. But maybe they should release some songs.

i remember in 1999/2000 there was a rumour that they had about 70++ songs! I guess thats alot more then VR can come up to!

there's a couple of them outhere lol? :P? but yeah really, hope it's time 4 them soon, i know it's 4 us? :hihi:
nytunz, not a rumour, axl said so? : ok:

yeah, even better  :smoking:

I echo the above, all talk surrounding the Axl/strength of the new band/material is all speculative.

Until (if) there's a release, there's no comparison to base opinions on.

I think some of the faithful here are looking for Axl to come back as the High Priest Of Rock, take back the throne and the like. ?

Simply put, it's not going to happen.

History shows us this, ?the torch is always passed to the young. ?Does anyone in their right mind think
the 43 year old conductor of an 8 piece orchestra will take a place at the forefront of the music scene
in these days of less is more?

Please, no arguments of "If the material merits it he will" propaganda, it's baseless in fact.

I believe an Aerosmith type comeback is more than a possibility, continued success through the twilight of a career would be fantastic. ?

A musical revolution not scene since late '91 in the states or '77 in Great Britain you ask?

Forget about it.

I like the old band but I love the new band! :headbanger:

By contraries my questions are:

1) where would this current band be now, if they had been GNR from the start. I wonder if they would have split up/quitted? Would we be waiting for CD now?

2) why mods haven't moved this thread to the ex guns or the VR section?

I don't see a future for the band because of the album. Just like it's five o' clock somewhere it's an album that has some catchy riffs and melodies and some cool solos but I just don't feel the music the way I felt when I first heard Appetite, which was a great feeling and when I first listened to Contraband I suppose I was expecting to reicive the same kind of feeling. It, undenyibly (good god how do you spell that), my own fault for expecting Contraband to be anything like Appetite. And in 60 years I doubt kids will remember VR ?the way we remember The Beatles or Elvis. In sixty years however people will probably remember Gn'R ?this is what I meant by future. Anyway these are just my opinions, don't take them seriously and as I said above they've only released their first album so I'm in no position to judge their future? : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy ?:smoking:

They didn't release anything since Izzy left either, besides the Spaghetti Incident which was just covers? :)

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

I see what you're saying, although "legacy" might be a more appropriate word instead of "future"..

Fair enough?

Yeah, they will remember the GNR material and legacy started and established by Axl, Slash, Duff and the crew. I promise in 30-40 years if SCOM, Jungle and NR are still being played people who remember will still always think of Slash on guitar and not Robin, so in that respect people will always remember Slash and Duff and Axl. Which is why they can do whatever they want musically now as their legacy is already entrenched in rock history. Everytime Appetitie is heard from now until eternity it will always have Slash's guitar on it, so in that respect he has nothing else to prove.

Yeah that's fair enough Falcon ?: ok:
Also what Naupis said is true unless Axl gets pissed and re-records Appetite with himself on all instruments? :hihi:
I'm not trying to say Axl is Gn'r on the contrary, I think that Izzy was Gn'r on his own? :hihi:? :hihi:

 :smoking: Izzy ?:smoking:

I think Izzy was more talented thar Slash and Duff

My opinion

I express my thoughts pretty clearly on here, I believe, which is why its frustrating to see posts such as the following, which grossly misinterprets and spins what Ive said...


No. ?Jealous, perhaps, because of the success these guys have obtained, and the increasingly warm reception from fans and critics theyre getting. ?Something tells me that if the same was occuring to the new GNR (A.K.A. The Side Youve Taken), you (meaning the Axl die-hards) would probably have less to be sour about in regards to the ex-members. ?Unfortunately for all of us, the situation isnt similar for GNR, and I think its reasonable to think that some fans could be envious, especially when many of these fans dont like VR, the ex-members, or their music. ?Ive seen the depths of immaturity displayed on these forums, and its not an unlikely scenario at all.


This is what Im saying about being misinterpreted. ?This isnt really about a member simply expressing an opinion, this is a member projecting his opinion of Scott Weiland onto the other VR members to create this fictional internal dilemma that theyre experiencing. ?And its not about my opinion, because Im sharing a fact to answer his question - the fact is that the guys in VR believe that Scott Weiland is the best frontman out there. ?Its an opinion theyve expressed many times. ?And you can disagree, or even suggest theyre lying, but thats irrelevant, because as long they believe that Scotts the best, Youngunners hypothetical "settling for less" notion doesnt exist. ?His post is a transparent reaction to the other thread in which VR was being lauded and Axl was called jealous. ?That thread was about as baseless and silly as this one, by the way.


 :confused:


Its not quite that simple. ?Perhaps it is for some people, but not me.


I think youre confusing me with somebody else, because I dont think Ive expressed any of those opinions. ?Its a fabrication, just like the following quote.


I think youve used this before on me...And youre either completely clueless, or a liar. ?You cant find any instances of me using misspellings or grammar errors against anybody. ?Youve made it up. ?: ok:


It sounds like a poor attempt at satire, which from what I recall, seems to be your forte. ?


 ???

Yeah, if were making completely arbitrary comparisons? ?The hypothetical was "What if Axl hadnt met Slash," and like your original hypothetical, its pointless. ?Who could ever know "What if...?" ?Whatever the case, Snakepits first album has no logical place in the equation.

Are you kidding me? Slash has done more than just the first Snakepit cd so how could you make a fair comparison when you are only comparing using only one sample of the work he did without Axl?

I think a much more fair and accurate comparison would be to compare CD to AFD and the Illusions since Axl is still using the GNR name. We seen what he could do with Slash. Let's see what he could do without him.

thats fine but that doesnt mean a band isnt allowed to challenge themselves and take thier time with their mucis. WHat I hate is this idea that just getting out their and rocking is automatically the right thing to do.

I totally agree.



We can also compare how Axl did with a new set of players to how the ex members did with a new frontman. And then maybe we can finally have an idea of where old gnr stand with each other in terms of being together. Do they need each other, can they pull it off on their own, etc.....

Who cares how successful the new band gets. Why is everyone so wrapped up in numbers. Im concerned with the music.
So if that 43 yr old and his 8 piece make an incredible album that can serve justice to the past and possibly be better and blow the current state of music out of the water then who cares if a 15 yr old kid who thinks simple plan and gc are great think GNR are "cool" or not.

You keep putting new gnr and what their about into this old school comeback category. GNR and any other comeback are not the same. Different goals, marketing etc...

You cant completely answer that question until the new material is released. Your saying automatically that the old band will be rememered...and they will..but your dismissing the new band as if they cant simply because the old band is already rememered. Once again, there is a chance gnr can have to great legacies. ! has done it the other hasnt released the material yet.

This jealousy idea is ridicoulous and immature. Im truly happy for the old guys. They have had good success. But being that I am a gnr fan, a fan of their old material,a bigtime fan i might add, I judge them on their music not how popular they are. I judge success by music. And imo, the what the ex memebr shave done, is descent but nothing special. You can point to all these non musical content feats but that means jack shit to me.

In the big wide scheme of things, of course you compare a new gnr album with an old gnr album.

But, in terms of Slash and Axl, I think one should compare the first Axl album without Slash to the first Slash album without Axl. For me, it's a crude comparison to see what input both members have given to gnr historically. The same can be applied to all members.

Yeah but the first Slash album without Axl was IFOCS was done merley for fun while waiting for Axl secondly IFOCS was never supposed to be spectacular it was stuff Axl rejected. CD on the other hand has been in the works for a long time compared to IFOCS and it will be? full of Axl's best material and it will be done proffesionally, in my opinion you shouldn't compare the two I see where your comming from though? : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

I see how someone can make that argument, but again I just don't think the circumstances are anywhere near the same. Axl has had 10 years and a budget of 13 million dollars to make this project his dream project in every way. Slash and them had to get that record together and get the ball rolling as they didn't have the time and money sitting around Axl did (from the record company) to put together their dream album.
Contraband is a decent album, but I bet if they spent 3-5 years on it without worry of finances and the need to get their band name out there that they would have done more to make it a better album. They were in a hurry to get that show on the road as the documentary showed. They didn't have a record deal they were sitting on from when they were in the biggest band in the world that basically gave them an unlimited set of finances and time in which to create an ultimate album. Not that that would even have been their goal anyway, but it is a whole nother world making a debut album under the circumstances VR did as opposed to the circumstances new GNR are dealing with now.

scott may perform a bit...gay but i think hes still a great frontman. Axl WAS a great frontman *with short shorts* but his age has crappened his voice, and he had a operation on his voice also didnt he?

I think VR have done well so far because Scott doesnt have a ego the size of the universe unlike axl whose ego is still rocketing  through the depths of space. I think Axl is quite annoyed with the fact that slash, duff and matt are actually getting somewhere again and he is still in his mansion somewhere in california.

Axls writing abilitie is still unchanged and great though and thats one thing which is still cool about axl.
I mean come on Axl doesnt where those trademark shorts. instead he has lame dreadlocks and basket ball clothes.

As pointed out already though, the albums represent the artists. Slash can roll out an album in a few months, whereas Axl, when left to his own devices, obviously takes a few years

I said nothing about numbers. ?

Above you mention the possibility of CD "be better and blow the current state of music out of the water". ?In those words, you obviously have the expectation of some sort of "return to the throne" by mere means of the music alone.



Huh? ?What the hell do "Different goals, marketing etc" have to do with the GNR comeback? ?And for that matter, what the hell's wrong with an Aerosmith-type existense? ?This is speculation on my part, but it seems you're expecting a "biggest band in the world, accepted by all" type of reemergence, is that safe to assume?

If so, it will not happen.

Axl might not actually take years to make albums in his head, he just spends so much goddamn time perfecting them. I mean a near perfect record is great but a album can be good if its recorded in a day like Izzy's solo albums and the Holiwood Rose thing, they're not great sound quality wise but they're still great in my opinion, they're raw the way rock n' roll is supossed to be :)

 :smoking: Izzy ?:smoking:

They "had" to get the record out? They didnt have the "time and money" to put their dream album together? Are you serious? WHo forced them to release an album when they did? Its one thing to be forced into something and anohter to do what you want. VR did what they wanted to do. Get a band, make a record and get out on the road asap. No1 forced them to do it that way. Just like no1 is forcing Axl to release anything.
Vr have their way of doing things and GNR have theirs. Its by total choice. Mayny of you remind us that no matter how long GNr take to put out an album it doesnt guarantee it will be good. SO why is it different now when comparing what the ex members did with a different frontman and what Axl did with different players?

In case you forgot, the members of Vr except for maybe Kushner come from big time bands. Meaning they have enourmous amounts of denaro. You keep implying that VR were being rushed. It was by their own choice. If they were so concerned with taking their time they could have each funded the sessions with their own material and made the album "they wanted" to make. and then sell that album to the lables and basically get their investment back. Although Axl got a  huge advance, im sure he has gone into his own pockets in funding the band and whatver it needed cash wise. SOme have speculated he sold his rights because he needed more cahs or wanted to recooperate some cash....

If your gonna back away from the GNR Vr musical comparison your being a lil biatch. The game gets a lil ahrder when your band gets compared to tough competion as opposed to beating up on these putrid rock bands. Same with gnr. They will be compared to the old material{heavyweights/legends} and vr. Plus we can for once and for all see how each of the members of old gnr have done without each other and see where that lands ius in the grand scheme of things when observing both eras.


Not at all. What i mean is look at the MC comeback compared to what the GNR comeback will be. MC put out a GH album and toured on their past. Just reliving the past.

Gnr will be putting out their own material and touring on that material with a completely different band. I am also assuming the sound of the material and band will not be like the old gnr sound in terms of classic rock. Theres a big difference.

Hypothetical for you. New GNR does not make a song better, more timeless, or universally loved than SCOM, Jungle or NR. VR doesn't make a song better than any of those either. Doesn't that make both projects failures in your game as neither were able to capture the brilliance singularly that they captured as a unit? How does that solve the question once and for all? Won't it just lead to another pissing match with each side using subjective ideas about what makes a good song when comparing new GNR and VR?


You must not know much about the music business. As an artist, you never pump a ton of your own money into a project as it is money you will never see back. Record companies just don't hand out huge bonus's now to non-rap artists. You saw the show, the guys said like 4-5 labels showed up to their audition. It's not like they were offering huge advances for a band that was anything but a sure thing at the time. So assuming the guys spend all of their own money as you are implying to make a good album, if it doesn't sell well they have then pissed away their money as the band is worthless. No one does that, you play with house money off the bat and hope you get to a point you get good advances where you can truly make the kind of albums you want.

I guarantee if Axl didn't have the adavance for a GNR album to work with on a contract signed when the band was beyond popular, we would have CD and this whole thing wouldn't have been a 5-10 year fiasco of a debut album. You know that as well as I do. He wouldn't have pumped 13 million of his own cash into that project, and you know that as well as I do. He may have been cut off at this point so he is using his own cash, but that is no one's fault but his own. This whole thing of comparing debut albums is ridiculous because the circumstances surrounding the making of each couldn't be more different. Axl himself has complained about labels not giving out money to newer acts, yet you think labels were going to pony up millions to pay VR back for an album no one knew would for surely sell millions of copies? I know you don't believe that.

Yes the old members have probably felt more frustration in the last 10 years than anyone. ?

They had to wait out axl only to find out that he wanted to go in completely different direction than they did and eventually had to move on. ?There's no doubt that the ex members respect axl's talent, as evidenced in the BTM special, but to hold onto their integrity and sanity they had to make a decision to cut their losses. ?I don't blame them whatsoever, good move.

Slash and Duff made a tough decision to make scott their lead singer and it's worked out great- ?see grammy award, sellout crowds and great record sales. ?But it seems they're starting to see some flaws as just recently slash has chosen to go with seperate managment and there are rumors of some strife between slash and weiland, of course they're denying any problems but you can see the shit starting already, poor fucking slash, first axl and now weiland.

IMO, i think weiland is a good frontman with allot of charisma (he's a poor mans axl, all show and not allot of go) but i think he's a flake who isn't stable in anyway. ? I'm not a vr fan but i respect the fact that they're out there and i say enjoy the ride as long as you can cus i don't think it'll be a long ride.

If axl ever gets the balls to release CD let the comparisons start but until then .......................

I can already check a new gnr song off for 1 maybe 2 of those characteristics...Madagascar

If CD is left in the dust by AFD, and or the Illusions then it will tell me that old gnr were magical and in order for that magic to be there all the members need to be there. I have already heard and already know how the ex members are without Axl, now Im anxiously awaiting hear how Axl is with a new lineup. Ive been saying that all along.
I never said compare the song for song. I said compare the body of work and see how Axl did with the a new lineup and how the ex members did without Axl.

So then your saying VR, musical legends, let record companies bitch them around and dictate when they should deliver their material?
Please dont make it seem like VR were forced to make a record in a short amount of time. THAT WAS WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. DId you not watch the show? They kept saying how they wanted to get out on the road and just make music. Thats Slashs whole motto. Its nto wrong but dont say thats not the case.

Or if Axl really didnt care what he put out and just used the gnr name he could have dumped albums out left and right as well.

That alone should tell you all Axl cares about is the music. The guy is so focused on making music{whether it turns out good or not} that he is taking everything he has and pouring it into this band. He waited till the right band came along, the right sound and then did his thing with it.
HES CHALLENGING HIMSELF.


They recieved a nice contract and I highly doubt companies thought VR would be a failure. There are too many stars in that band, the names alone will sell and atleast break even on the investment....anything after that is gravy

No its not. Im not saying you have to like 1 or the other. You can absolutely enjoy both.

The circumstances surrounding each album and band were created by the band members themselves. Isnt that why old gnr broke up? SLash and the boys didnt wanna deal with Axls procrastination and direction and Axl was the opposite. They each went their separate ways. They each are making music the opposite of each other. When both albums are out we will be able to see where each memebr stand in regards to each other. And its a completely fair comparison. DOnt be shy get in the ring

yo, most people who heard the new band doin the old songs -
feel many are even better than the originals? :peace:

me2  : ok:

....

and then there are others, maybe to be considered among "the faithful," who aren't expecting or even desiring a comeback of that kind; i.e. to mainstream acclaim, etc.

What these "faithful" are looking for is an album that is worthy of everything that has surrounded it and the man behind it.

(And perhaps for a select few on this board to acknowledge it if and when it does? ;) )

I thought you said you weren't expecting new GNR's music to be universally accepted?

When did I say that?
I have no clue if they will be universally accepted. Thats up to them not me. But Maddy definetly fall sinto the timeless gnr category and is as good as some of gnrs classics. The universal part remains to be seen. I doubt a song like Maddy will get commercial acclaim anyway...just like estranged, coma,locomotive...its a fans classic

It would be nice to see gnr get universally accepted if their music warrants it.,...but cant tell you if it will...i dont have a crystal ball in front of me

agreed

"This is speculation on my part, but it seems you're expecting a "biggest band in the world, accepted by all" type of reemergence, is that safe to assume?"

"Not at all"

Dont get Booker on me. I was adressin the beginning of that quote. But to completely answer the question....
I have said all along GNr are more of an underdog in the commercial world than a favorite. They have many people out there who refuse to accept this band and think its a joke. Hence the uphill climb. So in that regard the red carpet will not be rolled out for GNR. They will have to earn it.

Wasn't getting nit picky, just needing clarification.

I don't think there an underdog (dead horse) by any means, they'll sell a couple million records on curiosity alone.  "Classic Rock" and "Real Rock" formats in America will play the hell out of them, just like they do now.  I hear GNR daily on these type stations, mostly AFD era but GNR nonetheless..

No problemo

I disagree. Im not saying nobody will by the album Because they will sell the album in droves. Like I have been saying all along, the name, mystique and curiosity factor will be a great promotional tool for th eband initially. No doubt and no argument here. But in order to reach crazy album sales the music will have to bring the album home.

You cant deny the fact that many peopel out there think gnr are a joke. A part of the fanbase thinks this nevermind the public. Blabbermouth and all these magazines and sites are always making fun of gnr. All Im saying is that people think its the cool thing to diss gnr. So from that standpoint gnr have an uphill climb in winning over the peopel who have doubts about this band.


As for what stations will play th enew guns material. I have no clue. I need to hear the singles and hear how they sound. The classic rock stations will spin them becuase its gnr. The question is will the krocks of the world play them. ANd that depensds on the sound of axl and the band. My guess is that it will be a modern sound, hence them gettin gon all formats of rock....time will tell

a mind blowing all out catchy chorus/anthem rocker for the 1st single will do the trick though....

the media and general public will always do that 2 very sucesfull people and well established bands...
which gives outsiders (bands with potential) more freedom...

there's alot of britney spears dissing 4 xample, vr don't get dissed like that because they are not in that commercial league, gnr is seen as this or a topact by the general public and gets same treatment as britney, imo tho? ;)

axl rose and oldgnr is legendary in the history of music, gunsnroses has yet 2 be, and i hope they do well? : ok:

Falcon if GNR have an Aerosmith type comeback axl will regain the throne

Aerosmith had their greatest selling albums to date during their comeback

I believe axl would dip into his own pockets, didnt he say he wanted to buy the NR video back and not let anyone watch it?

Axl wants to make the record he wants to make regardless of how long or how much money.

the record label probably has given him advances for 3 records not just 1

if he has 3 records completed, the 5 or 6 years wont be that long.


Motley Crue released a greatest hits plus have their original members.

also no band, not even GNR put on a spectacle theatrical show like Motley Crue.

rumor has it Tommy will ride a rollercoaster while doing his drum solo

now that is entertainment! : ok:

Young gunner..

your a fucking trip......

your trying to compare whos better a singer with nothing to show for his last few years but a tour with all old songs a few shitty new ones and the "promise" of a great album...


OR


The Band that just played and won at the Grammys, has a Platinum album, Headlining tour
and they are now talking about a new cd out before Christmas....




YEAH The old members are REAL Fucking Envious of Axl Rose.....


The old members just wanted to make good rock music that mattered to people... if success came with it then thats a bonus....  Thats EXACTLY what they have done and Axl Rose has not...

Slash said he wanted "longevity" as one of his goals in the music industry.. Thats what hes gonna get with his new band.... Sorry i know you dont like it but its the truth..

If you like VR or not nobody really cares... Thier music means alot more to people than Axl Rose sitting on his ass in his fucking hollywood hills does...

 
Seriously dude... pull your head out of your ass....

Dude seriously are you fucking dumb?????  Madagascar more timeless or universally loved than SCOM or JUNGLE or RAIN?????????

your talking about a song you have heard on a bootlegged album and a snippet of it on the VMA(shit performance) awards....

compared to to songs that are UNIVERSALLY LOVED AND TIMELESS..... 

maybe thats why i hear MADAGASCAR on the raidio so much..(go ahead and tell me that the radio is shit and thats why they dont play that song, or coz its unreleased)

do you jack off to pictures of Axl Rose everynite???

You don't need to stoop so low to prove your point. Behave yourself or you're out.

Stoop? That?s just a reflection of ones life.

Good point. Perhaps for their eyes Axl is forever young, bad boy and rebel.
That's it.
And In fact unlike other legendary bands today, GN'R is a challenger again.

I dig what your saying... but seriously.. can you belive that this guy just said that Madagascar is as timeless or universally loved as  Sweet Child or Jungle?????? 

That has got to qualify as the most retarded statement that ive ever heard... People all over the WORLD know those songs.. They are played in Sports events and Movies and are in every juke box or karaoke book from Texas to Tunisa.....

anyone who makes a stupid ass statement like that needs to be called to the carpet...

Actually he only compared Madagascar to songs that were great but didn't become popular like Coma and Locomotive? : ok: Anyway different people have different tastes, for example I don't really like SCOM at all

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

It's not retarded. Obviously it can't be universally loved since it's not released yet, but as far as being timeless it's all a matter of personal taste, and that cannot be discussed.

Exactly..... ..

I see what your saying Izzy but I was talking in different terms.  Though Aerosmith did enjoy their most commercial success during that time period, Steve Tyler was hardly thought of in a "voice of a generation" sense nor was the music they put out then considered influential or seminal by any means.

Aerosmith/Tyler have always been measured by "Toys  In The Attic" just like GNR/Axl will always be measured by AFD.

Going back to my original point, I truly beleive some here picture Axl's possible return as some sort of riding on deck of the Titanic, "I'm king of the world!" scenario.  For he and his Chinese Democracy
to change the music busness, set trends and put the proverbial enema in the ass of a perceived stagnant rock scene.  History tells us otherwise, that's for the young who don't have a past to dwell on or live up to.

Hstory also tells us the Titanic sank.

Not half as frustrated as HTGTH members... :rant:

Have I not said IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE MUSIC? in about every dam post? Shitty songs? If that show you feel fine, but the majority here disagree...especially with maddy.

ok?

Never said that. Learn how to read then come talk to me.

Like I have said...theres nothing wrong with that musical mentality. Axl has a different objective and goal than VR. And Im not going to slag on him for that. The guy is challenging himself. I respect that. So im patient becuase I personally know that more than likely its going to something special. And once its in my hands Ill have it FOREVER anyways. THe same way you will have albums that are just meant to rock out forever too...but usually those collect dust more than anything else....

Its funny how you slag on me for not "respecting" Slash's goals{which i do} and you bash Axl for what he does. Fukin hypocrite

Like I have said...if you like VR, or anything else cool. I could care less. I have also said people dont have to like VR or over gnr, or new gnr over old gnr, etc...you can like all, 1 or whatver. Its music. Not sports. I actually like some songs on VR. I dont hate them. If I hated them so much I wouldnt have spent 60bucks to go see them. I just disagree with Slash and Duff a lot of times when they open thier mouth. But that doesnt mean I cant enjoy some of their music.

No, but apparantely you are. Or atleast you cant read. I said I can check Madagascar off for 1 or maybe 2 of those categories. In case you didnt read it... those categories were timeless, and as good as some of old gnr classics. SO what? does that leave us? The whole universal thing. Which I then said being that Maddy isnt out yet it cant be heard, plus even when its out I doubt it will be a commercial success. I then went on to say that it is more of a fans classic...see songs like Estranged, COma. ;) Understand?

I think Maddy is as good as SOME? of the old classics.

You basically answered your own question. The radio is shit but that wouldnt be the reson why Maddy is getting played. BUt the second part...your such a smart guy.....
Im not a rocket scientist but usually songs are played on the radio when they are released and are single. But....


No, but your girl takes care of me? 8)
I just tell her to tell you.... When I come home late at night... Don't ask me where I've been
     

oh my god!  5 pages!   

the question would be (seems to me) do Slash and Duff (and Matt) miss Axl's creatively?

I don't think they miss him.  Seems to me they wanted to be free of 'his vision' and now they are.

Sometimes (well... one time recently that I can recall of) one of 'em will give him credit for being a great frontman...
but other than that - more so than giving any indication that they think they could / could have produced good/great satisfying music with him - they seem to downplay the role he had in GN'R.   (Duff's comment in Bass Guitar magazine that 'we wrote the music without Axl' and 'i didn't say Axl never wrote any of the music in GN'R ... I love 'My World'' and his comment even after that whole debacle that "sometimes we even had the lyrics already written... Axl just came in at the end" - these comments to me downplay the amount of credit they want to give Axl creatively for their past work together.)
So to me... who knows, perhaps they really just didn't recognize/appreciate his talent and are just as happy with Scott's style.
No matter what they say at times - Matt's whole: "Whats with the fucking piano" and also keeping in mind that Slash (and Duff?) resisted the softer side of GN'R.. to me that is a huge indicator that they really were not 'into' when Axl wanted to go down that road creatively... much less when he wanted to go down a more 'modern' road - including NIN/techno influences...

so again. like i started out saying - i think they are (as they have said) very curious to hear what Axl comes out with after all this time -  but its obvious they wre not interested in pursing it with him.  All the scenarios in the world can be presented about why these guys left - but the bottom line AND undeniable common thread that has to be included in any version is this - musical differences.

ps:  not that I think GN'R is going to be an entire different musical direction - but i think there were elements Axl wanted to include that they didn't 'get'....    so um... nah - i think they are quite happy with their piano free VR.  ;D

exactly.. $lash just says its a fuck around project because he knows its really average, uninspiring, mediocre SHIT.

Axl is going to smoke his ass when he drops the gnr album.

Slash's music is good :)
Axl's music is good :)
Izzy's music is godd :)
Duff's music is good :)
Gn'R's music is great ;D

 :smoking: Izzy  :smoking:

All i will say, is i hope Madagascar isnt on the album because it blows. It sounds like a 80's song from Aha

I think Madagascar will be on CD  :-\
I quite like it though. It's no Appetite or Illusion track it's different, but ot's also good

HEY!!! I liked Aha LoL  js kidding. Anyway, I think that they miss the level of success that they were up to when GnR were going through the Use ur Illusion phase and miss being the biggest musical act in the world. However, I believe that they think about the fact that Axl pretty much had them in a creative chokehold with the music HE wanted to make. So I dont blame them for that because they wanted to put their two cents in, BUT!!! Lets not look past the fact that Axl made great music GnR sold over 80 million records and in 6 yrs became one of the most legendary bands of all time under Axls leadership so even if u dont like the music the fucking guy must be doing something right.

I also remember Axl talking about Steven Tyler not liking the music Aerosmith made in the 90's but Tyler said he'd rather make music he doesnt like that much than break up something that ppl love this much.  :peace:

Absolutely correct, speculation here that Axl will perform some sort of world shattering comeback is over optimistic to say the least. Go to velvetrope.com, the music business forum and read the comments made about GNR by people in the business; the majority think it's over. The common theme is that Axl is the Howard Hughes of rock and CD is his Spruce Goose. The industry wigs flame anybody who enquires about GNR, I can only assume  they see a reality far less rosy that what many see here.

Falcon, Booker et al. speak the truth.

Sad but true,
Intercourse.

lol it needs 2 start first, funny if they knock music yet 2 be heard  ::)

......as are you leesixxrose, and since you've been getting on my nerves lately with that mouth of yours, I'll throw my hat into this one.


The tour was a let down.? No argument there.? And only time will tell as to how great the new record will be.?

But what's this talk about the new songs being "shitty?"? Granted, I myself don't care for "Oh My God" or "Silkworms."? And, for that matter, I'm not 100% sure as to "Chinese Democracy" or "Rhiad & the Bedouins" until I hear the studio versions.? However, "Madagascar" and "The Blues" is easily as good or better than anything on Contraband.? And that's a couple of unreleased, live, non-singles compared to a fully finished product.?



However much it's worth, I give Slash, Duff and the rest of the guys kudos for what they've accomplished thus far.?

I say "however much it's worth" because, while Velvet Revolver have been considered a success, Contraband? itself has sold so far around as much as The Spaghetti Incident.? We'll see how steady sales, as well as their current mainstream acceptance, remain.? As far as the Grammy goes, well, it's subjective as to how much one of those is actually worth.? In my opinion, whether it be Slash, Axl, or anybody else receiving one, a Grammy is a glorified paper-weight.? ? ?


You're right.? The old members have made "good rock music."? It's obvious Axl has no interest in making something that is simply "good."? ?


Longetivity is nice only so long as it is accompanied by quality.

all 6 of the 'new' songs are better then anything on Contraband   : ok:

nope i bash Axl for what he doesnt do..... Make music....



your a jack ass.....  of course it wont be be a commercial success.... coz its Sheete...

ten years later and hes still using move quotes that he used on Civil War??  its grade a crapola just like u...

Hello, kockstar (aka previously banned member), you really want me to ban you again don't you?




/jarmo

How come you're letting banned members post here anyway? Doesn't it kind of take away the whole idea of banning?

Jarmo, that guy does need to be banned. Period. There is arguing, then there is being a jerk. Intercourse, that Velvet Rope website is SHITE in the highest degree. You are right. The music industry outside of Geffen's high execs think Axl is finished. Great-all the better when he drops the album-if he drops it. Bob Dylan once said you have to become completely irrelevant in order to truly reinvent yourself. He should know with all the changes he went through over his 40 year career. Axl is completely irrelevant now. However, the guys on that website are exactly what is wrong with the music industry today. They are why rock and roll sucks. Everything and everyone has to fit into THEIR idea of what rock and roll should be. Very narrow minded people. Fortunately, jerkoffs like them don't set trends and don't buy records-the public does. Now, anyone on here who thinks Axl is going to make an Appetite type of an impact is lost forever. Falcon is right. It is a young man's game. However, that does not mean that Axl cannot create a truly great, transcending album. Guessing about public approval and trends is a risky game. Just hope for a very solid record and let the chips fall where they may.

i for one, don't worry about young or new fans,
-it's the ones VERY familiar with oldgnr thats the tough audience imo  ;)

the music listening/buying public at large - first of all is NOT all young people
sure the 'young' are a huge segment...  which acccounts for the popularity of pop and hip/hop...
but they are not IT
AND
the music listing/buying public at large - will judge the new material/band BY THE MUSIC

sure young people like image etc...
but I don't see this being a breaking point for GN'R

I don't think the guys will have to be anything but themselves...  thank god
Cuz after all the thing about 'image' that draws the young - is really an expression of individualism that they seek
GN'R has a lot of different personalities to which young people who are looking for that kind of comfort can relate to

we've evolved a bit off topic here i think

VR is doing what they do - being who they are /wanna be

GN'R will do the same

I don't see either band's existense frustrating the others'.

who said young people can't appreciate good music? :P
and yeah, the odds are good w\ gnr either way you see it imo, and the music is the most important? :peace:

thats what i meant lol, i don't worry about young or new fans, as i think only a few people judge unfair  ;)

Madagas you also speak the truth.
However, it bothers me that this level of bad opinion in 'the industry' is now heaped upon Axl and subsequently GNR?s head. This could possibly explain the delays to the album; maybe Axl keeps getting stone walled by the people he needs to get his product out there. We all hear it said that it's the 'shittiest business in the world' and Axl despite his wealth and cult status, will have to play the game with these assholes to let CD see the light of day and give it the set of legs it needs to surface with the general public (not the hardcore obsessive types like us).

I personally don?t care if Axls album is a modern version of ?Dark Side of the Moon?, full of epics etc, by the end of this year I should have Slash?s rock ?ying? in VR and Axls epic multi-instrumented ?yang? in GNR to listen to and enjoy. The fact that that combination together is something I will always miss is just a fact of life for the fans now.

Regarding Axl and his feelings on VR, I?m sure Axl was listening and making notes. He took that Childs guy (the hit maker) in to review the vocal work on CD recently. Maybe he read the journalistic criticisms that CB lacked the musical impact expected by the public and he?s not talking any chances of the same thing being said about his own work. I bet he was very interested in CB, it?s sound scapes and textures. Axl was a ?Seattle scene? fan so STP (despite being based in Dan Diego) were lumped into that movement so chances are Axl enjoyed some of STPs work.

Whatever his feelings on Slash, his break up with Duff seemed a lot more grown up so I?m sure he?s not some sort of robot who has deleted all feelings for the guys.
peace,
Intercourse.

It's just that most young people follow trends in clothes, music and pretty much everything ;)
But that doesn't mean all youngin's do : ok: (did I just say youngin's, I'm going crazy ?:crying:)

 :smoking: Izzy ?:smoking:

the more profesional and respected dosen't + look at sanctuarys comments on axl -so, it's lookin good  :beer:

yeah, agree, and not only young ones appreciates and image either? :peace:

Intercourse, you are right again. Unfortunately, Axl doesn't play that game very well. He is quite a living contradiction. On one hand, you know he wants a massive hit. On the other hand, he doesn't want anyone telling him what to do. I just hope he doesn't sell out too much. That Desmond Child thing is VERY alarming. What a cheese dick that guy is. :peace:

i would think that for some fans who fear Axl being too 'artsy-fartsy' - aloof / complex
some 'cheesy' input could be considered to perhaps have a balancing effect? ;D

much like the "wanting a hit / not wanting anyone telling him what to do" would have a balancing effect.

edited to add:   in a lot of ways Axl has his own built-in ying/yang

Yeah like a split personality, sometimes he's totally calm the next minute he's going totaly crazy, this can be seen in some Gn'R songs : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

 
...and performances  :D say...

I hear ya Madagas....I think the Childs thing is a direct result of FEAR. The old saying goes that as you get older you become more fearful and I think this is what is happening to Axl. The old Axl would have told Childs to fuck himself. Nobody will ever give me a vocal like SCOM again, I remember George Michael on TV saying that Axl was the most talented melody writer and singer he had ever heard. He doesn?t need ?Mr. Vida Loca? to keep his edge, I wish someone could convince him of that.
I think this fear stems form the shock Axl felt when he realized that once the other members were gone, the vitriol from press and public for GNR could only be directed at him. At their peak, GNR had 5 guys to dissipate and relieve the pressure they were feeling from everyone from the press to the US censorship board to the police. Slash said they were a gang that stuck together and gave the collective ?fuck you? to the detractors when times got hard. That common bond they must have felt as they rode the rollercoaster together must have been a great comfort at one time, however fucked up it may have become in the end. Now Axl stands alone to face the shit for GNR. If the album tanks the others can plead insanity and say they were in it for the check, they enjoyed the experiment and can move on. Not so for Axl, this band is everything he stands for. It?s not like he could piss of and ?do an Audioslave? on it now is it? If this album goes down he?ll always be remembered as the man who drilled the hole in the GNR boat, however fair and unfair people view that statement. Now, THAT would be a bastard?
peace,
Intercourse.

listen 2 the rerecorded scom lol  ::)

There was no need to re-record it in the first place. Bono cannot sing 'Pride  - In the Name of Love' as well as he used to, he is smart enough not to be re-recording it.
Why would AXl do that? What a waste of time and money.
So we have: managers, therapists, record execs, band members (old and new), wives, physics, new age healers, lawyers, bodyguards, girlfriends and house keepers....can anybody talk sense to this once great man?
Damn.
Intercourse.

Didnt DC mangement or DC himself shoot down the rumor that he worked with Axl?

the needed 2 rehearse it so...it's really cool  :yes:
yu can download it at www.newgnr.com? ?;)

yeah, ain't it cool? :peace: no need 2 be so negative, and axl is better than ever anyway? : ok:

you liked him best wearin that leather tanga at the roxy? i am not knockin it, but he has not lost senses imo? :)

laywers etc? 4 his work and either way-
 -havin a social network that may consist of girlfriends, physics etc... nothin wrong with that, his buisness  :peace:

That's not what I meant. I mean will he follow anybodys advice, I'm sure the rest of his social circle would like to see him close this chapter in his life.
Intercourse.

hope not? :nervous: but movin along with gnr shows some confindence, you dig?  :peace:

Is there any documentation of Desmond Child's involvement?

That re-recorded version was good, thanks norway, but the original is better, in my opinion : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

 Norway, movin along with Gnr-if that is what you want to call one song in 14 years-is not confidence but insecurity-fear of striking out on his own. Having the Gnr brand name brings oodles of money and opportunities not afforded to solo artists. Simple as that. Axl is a good businessman however! Roger Waters found out the hard way why it is important to keep the brand name. I think our faired haired child learned something from Waters/Floyd and that is why he played hardball with Slash/Duff back when the ship began to sink (essentially the departure of Izzy).? :peace:

hmm, yeah it is a very commercial and financial side that comes with the name,
but gunsnroses was something axl rose lived by before slash, duff etc was involved...? :peace:

he said he wants 2 be fully confident in the material and my guess is the long wait is that he wasn't ... yet?  ;)
but accordin 2 tommy it seem they all are now? :D finally? ::)
and i think it shows some confidence 2 play rio, europe, asia etc and continue gunsnroses... glad they did? :beer:

hey, can't beat the original? : ok:

Nope

And Im pretty sure DC or his management shot down that rumorboard rumor.

God I hope so.... ;D Norway, I do see your point. Again, the man is a walking contradiction. He is cocksure and confident on one hand-paranoid and insecure on the other. Most talented people are like this however Axl is a little more fractured than most.

lol, sounds good 2 me, but dunno what fractured is, but yeah nice? :beer:
some songs seems 2 come from such a (lottery here  ::) ) fractured place...

Damaged emotionally-childhood issues, anger, shock of becoming too rich too soon, etc. Axl has alot of baggage emotionally. However, he seemed more content with himself on the 2002 tour-seemed frankly more happy. Probably why he is not the angry psychotic rocker he was during the AFD era and the beginning of the Illusion tour. After Axl had therapy, I think his whole personality and demeanor changed. He will never be the angry sociopath that he was during the AFD era. Thus, you will never get RAWK like that from him again. :-\

so many say?but to me he doesn't seem to be that complicated.  :-\

Well, since I'm not close to him, there may be great differences between what I heard and what I see.?

lets hope he has enough vinegar and anger in him that his eyes goes black in rage durin the performances then...? :D
oh-no, did i just wish him that? ;) some emotions works good tho? :yes:

some shows are a lil' weak, but in many new gigs, axl is just rippin on the vocals better than ever i mean... you heard?
is goin fucking cracy? :o
i really like when axl curses a lot an has that aggresive attitude, wake up, you gonna fuckin diiiiieeee :headbanger:

Yeah I also hope he still has the aggresion to write songs like Welcome To The Jungle and It's So Easy? :)

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

Steven Tyler didnt say he hated all his music in the 90's

what he said was

"The record label has 3 or 4 songs that you have to write to sell records, i hate it but this is a business so you have to do those 3 or 4 songs to be able to do what you wanna do."


he hated having to write "angel" and syrupy songs like that but in order to make records and stay on top it was a compromise he had to take.


ill say it right now officially

if desmond child is working with Axl that means Axl doesnt have very many lyrics or melodies wrote at all and this whole time the delay has been due to writer's block and not a perfectionist complex.

that would be scary

if DC is working with Axl something is severely wrong.

...Yeah. I just wanted to say "Ouch. That was harsh."

I FOR ONE am not one of those mindless youngin's LOL Who feel like their need for existence is based on how well they follow the banal pop culture. I am disgusted with the majority of my generation but for the most part am disgusted with the generations to come. But I feel that ppl know Great music when they hear it so if Chinese Democracy is half as good as I think it will be, then bullshit like LiL Jon,Usher, and the FUCKING AMERICAN IDOL SINGERS will finally have the focus taken off of it long enough for it to finally DIE!! lol Remember when appetite came out bands like Winger and fuckin POISON were popular, It was a bad time for music....Kinda like now. So I am very confident that Chinese Democracy will stir shit up and the music industry and Artists can live off of talent instead of what fucking outfit they're wearing or car they're driving.

yeah, nice post-agree, idol bad- and i do not the age matters much either, regardless of fanbase  :yes:
 + there are other in the band? ;) ...for those who also appreciate the image side 2 a band...
but most important gunsnroses will hopefully be aknowledged 4 their music, which is most whats about? ?:beer:

i think that with the sucess of vr proving they can be some sort of force in todays music and possiblly a sucessful tour and equally or bigger sucessful chinese democracy album I feel a reunion would not be far away I feel with contra band and democracy both groups would feel complete and could put their differences aside.  But i think the thing that will prevent this is Axl's new deal w/ sanctuary to use the old music.  I have a feeling songs like paradise city in the longest yard  movie is going to be rerecorded along with plenty of other old classics in the future.  This will leave a feud between the band till death, and we will never see them together. 

Not since they are out. :)
Once they got rid of Axl,  everyday is like christmas and birthday together for them :)

Well Gn'R did start out as a glam rock band so you can't say image ain't important to Axl? : ok:

 :smoking: Izzy? :smoking:

do ya think slash is happy today when he's off GNR forever?  ::)
...I never read a shit like this before, this tread makes no sense!  :rant:

"This tread makes no sense."

? ? - AxlRoseVen (king of sensibility here at HTGTH)  ::)

Not trying to be mean, it's just that I'm getting really tired of your posts about nothing. You just described the majority of your own posts with that sentence. Just replace "tread" with "post".

If you want to keep posting here, I suggest you take a break and just read the board for a while until you understand how it works.

Otherwise I'm afraid you'll be out of here faster than you can say "Scott Weiland". You're spamming threads with shit about Scott Weiland doing heroin.  As far as I know, that guy's not in GN'R, so why mention him in so many threads in the GN'R sections?

Consider this your last warning.



/jarmo

Well, sometimes no matter how much you want something to work out with someone, certain things have happened between you and them that make it impossible to have what you once had. ?Even though Axl was very talented, whatever about him (or the situation) that made all the other guys leave him outweighs the good things Axl brought.

Also, when certain things happen in your life, whether it's between you and that person or just what you go through mentally and in life, you can't go back to the way things used to be. ?You can't do things the way you used to or think the way you used to or have the same kind of relationship with someone that you used to have. ?No matter what your age is, you are always growing and maturing.

Also, when you look back at things that happened in the past, it's a lot different from when you lived through those things.

When someone has made you suffer like that, it is hard to trust them again, so no matter what happens in the future, things aren't going to be the same as they used to be. ?If the ex-members did see Axl again or play with him again, who's to say if they'd have the chemistry that they used to. ?

Sorry dude your wrong... check your files .. i was never banned.. actually i deleted my account because of the anti american comments and the bias from you moditors in the "jungle"..