Here Today... Gone To Hell!

...of Velver Revolver? I remember when he said that he had watched Slash "throw his career away" and implied that Slash's rock style was outdated. I remember when he victoriously announced that he had won "Round 1" at the MTV awards. Since then, a failed tour then...nothing. The boat has all but sailed on Axl's hopes to update GNR. In the meantime I can't help but wonder if VR is doing all the things that Axl hoped to do: appealing to a younger audience, getting played on modern rock stations, hanging out with Bono and Elton at big events, etc... do you think Axl wishes Slash and co. the best, or is he seething with anger? I would never count Axl out, but I am curious if he's feeling some extra pressure.

I don't know that he's necessarily jealous, but I'm sure he is feeling some pangs of jealousy. Regardless, it's all up to him, and if it isn't important enough to him to put his music for commercial/critical scrutiny the VR has, then he is intimidated by his former bandmates success. If that's true, than its unfortunate. He has lost just about all credibility outside of us devoted fans and the mainstream media sees him as a sort of a dancing bear, whereas the VR guys have delivered and delivered big. Good album, Contraband and Slither is an amazing rock song. They deserve it.

...wow, you really summed it up, WAR? (great screen name!). I wish Axl would set up some kind of info outlet for his devoted fans. I'd like to know what he's been up to!

Not sure of angry, but no doubt envious. ?

His former bandmates made it to places Axl had sought and never received acceptance from so that's got to sting to a degree.

I hope he is pissed off, that'll at least give him some incentive to speed it up with Chinese Democracy if its finished and mixed up and all u have to do is pick out album art and sort out all the red tape then BOOM! It shouldnt be out any later than the summer of this yr and they shouldnt be on tour any later than autumn of this yr

Of course I could js be blinded by optimism  :peace:

I think he knows he is sitting on something remarkable. I don't think he is envious at all, just biding.

i dont think Axl i jealous in any way!  He knows whats hes about to do.. so i rather thinks he just  :rofl: or even hes just happy that Duff Slash and Matt are out there doing things right

Axl better have some killer album or he is really going to look like a schmuk. I mean velvet revolver are winning grammy's (something gnr has never done) and selling out arenas, whereas axl even with the gnr name and songlist had trouble on the last tour.

I'm the biggest axl fan here, but VR have some pretty catchy modern rock radio friendly tunes.... where it sounds like axl has a lot of epic ballads with strings and what not.

Another point is axl is trying to modernize the gnr sound to what he thinks is cool. Just because something is cool doesn't mean it will tear up the radio waves and the charts. Its not like Nine inch nails is ripping up the radio waves.

If axl is trying to top velvet revolver commercially he reallly has his hands full, and if i were him i'd be scared. If is trying to make a killer artist record i have no doubt it will be a success.. but commercial success and artistic success are too very different things

I think there must be some added pressure given the sucess of VR. They have really exceeded all expectations.
Axl seems like a competitive guy (especially with "Round 1" and the many disses on Slash etc.. ) so he'll want to show the world that he did the right thing by dis-lodging the greatest American rock band ever and replacing these legends with a band full of circus-like characters.

yeah, I can imagine that axl is jealous. ?He probably thought along with the hundred critics out there that VR was a collision course waiting to happen. ?He never thought probably in a thousand years that vr would actually make it big. ?I mean who wouldn't be jealous of your former band mates, your fellow friends that are riding on the coat tails of there former fame. ?I think Axl has to be nervous, I mean something he put so much time in, and he is probably scared to step into the unknown. ?I think Axl is probably very happy with his new material, and like one of you said, He is just biding his time. ?As for the material of vr's, shure there an incredible band, but they wouldn't be to Axl, because let's face it, Axl is in for perfection and Contraband aint necessarily perfect. ?I think Axl, although as slow as an Ent! will make and istant classic of an album, and with the name GnR, he can make it turn to gold. I just hopes he releases it before VR's next album, because I have this inclination that it could be real damn good.

 :peace:

HAHAHA  mack10 "..As slow as an Ent" ;D :hihi: :rofl: :rofl:

I either think Axl doubts CD and will never release it..or more likely is sitting on a mountain of good material and right now is the calm before the storm. I doubt Axl is jealous. He always seemed to like competition and being so talented, intriguing and raw should see him blow VR out of the water when he gets going. I am not downing VR either...to me they are okay. In this hip-hop, Justin Timberlake-Britney crap era, at least there is some rock, and that rock is from VR. Hopefully GnR will ressurrect Rock far further. : ok:

Haha, I bet Axl is pretty jealous, I mean, whiles he is basically a joke to most of the public and music industry, the people that were 'throwing their carrers away' have gotten a grammy. O well, lets hope Chinese Democracy doesnt suck, or else saying we like Axl will probably get us beat, lol.

any rock band who  attends the grammy's are sellout's

Well, GNR would have easily sold out shows on the last tour if they played at smaller venues like VR does. ?With that said, I do however think it was a mistake to play such big venues. ?

And GNR will be commercially successfull. ?There is no doubt in my mind. ?I think they will be bigger than VR once the ball starts rolling. ?

Nice opening post.. ::)

HELL NO! VELVET REVOLVER SUCKS! :rant:

Yeah, it was Axl that fired Slash, Duff... they didn't quit.  ::)

yeah and he made it so easy for them to stay didnt he - he's blameless  ::)

Oh yeah, I'm sure if you were nominated for a Grammy you'd never show up to the event right? ::)

Not that it would ever happen in a million years though.

Tit.

There are some truly laughable posts in this thread. VR did well but they are not a phenomenon. The Grammy win was nice but once again, rock music isn't what it once was when GnR were huge. Axl obviously doesn't gauge his success by what VR does or what  award they win.  To suggest that is ridiculous. Instead, Axl at this point is competing with history; his project must stand up next to AFD and UYI in quality and commerical success in order to be deemed a success on its own. VR had the luxury of escaping this pigeon hole but with the GnR name goes the legacy.

O yea Im sure Axl is so envious of the boys making it on tho the prestigious modern format. His former bandmates made it to those? places "Axl only hopes and dreams of", that great modern rock world you speak so highly of, soley because of 1 factor. ...scott weiland.

You always talk about Axl not being accepted in this elite genre. Fuck that genre. Its what basically killed rock music. SOme of its good but look how its left the state of rock. Anyway back to point....
 Let GNR release the album and singles and see if they are left out on these modern stations. I highly doubt it. Not if the music is great he wont be. i guarentee it.

as for the topic....

I highly doubt Axl is jealous. I would say its more of the lines of not really caring. He seems to be that type of person where he could give two shits about something if he feels strongly about it. I doubt he wants to see them fail or succede... simply doesnt care.

As for the grammy...its great and all but when hoobastank, elvis costello etc are considered rock then you better win. Same with new gnr if they ever win a grammy. music world sucks today it isnt the same as it was back then.

A lot of the posts in this thread prove the point that GNr have an uphill climb towards success. Factors outside of the music are against gnr. Even the name itself is a factor. It has a good and bad effect.
Good for initial album sales bad for the music side{potentially}. GNr have a job of making quality music because they kept the name. They have to continue the GNR legacy. That is not a easy feat. They chose to do it that way...so lets see how it plays out...and once agian it all hinders on the material.

You can all smirk as vr land on the prestigious modern format and are selling out club shows but where will their music be in 5 -10 yrs? It wont be on those all time charts you speak of etc. Its not memorable music. Its good stuff for the moment but so is a lot of other stuff.

Any band can hide behind the "we just wanna get out there and rock" attitude. And thats fine. Im not saying you have to try n create a masterpiece but by u not caring as much about your mnusic your mnusic will only go so far. It gets boring after awhile with that attitude. Unless you hit lighnting in a bottle and create AFD etc then your album will just be another album...

What seperates good bands from great bands is the memorable stuff...being able to make meanigful and memorable music that many different kinds of peopel can relate to and be timeless at the same time. Will new gnr do that? idk...time will tell...but vr sure as hell havnt come close....they seem to be more concerned with the whole "It's subversive. It's dangerous and it's just everything that's exciting about rock 'n' roll." attitude.? :-\? ?the same guy who doesnt want naked women walking around backstage.....

Axl might have been jealous for 2 minutes before he heard VR's material, at which he probably fell asleep.

do you think he made it past Spectacle?

With the help of lots of coffee, maybe on the fourth try.

I think Axl doesn't really care. The fact is- he probably could throw an "all-star" band together, record 12 radio friendly jingles and be on the cover of Rolling Stone himself if he wanted to. But, as a previous poster said, it's not about that for him now- he's laboring to produce an album that can stand shoulder to shoulder in rock history with AFD and UYI and truly put Guns N' Roses up their with Led Zeppelin, The Stones, etc. That is his life's passion. Now if VR was putting out material that was of that quality and winning zero grammies- then I think Axl might be on the balcony's edge- but it seems like he's safe for the moment.

BTW: I don't think VR is a "stable" arrangement by any stretch. They definitely put a solid debut album out- but I hardly think it's a foregone conclusion that they're going to: (A) successfully stay together over the next year or two; and (B) produce a successful follow-up album.

I don't think he's jelous.  Actually, I would'nt think Axl gave a flying fuck what VR acheive.  I do sometimes wonder though, if he has actually listened to Controband, and sometimes like me, trys to imagine his voice instead of Scotts?  Now there would be a truely kick ass album!!

 : ok:

I love VR there album hasnt regularly left my cd player since i got it, but come on, they cant come close to Axl.

Look who GNR lost to all those years, Metallica,Nirvana,Pearl Jam etc etc etc

who did VR beat?  slipknot,Incubus i mean it isnt like they beat U2 or bands like that.


Axl jealous? No Way

surprised that SLash and Duff turned out successful without him? yes id say very surprised.

wtf? circus like characters? more like some of the most talented musicans in the music scene today... if you dont like gnr, what are you doing on a gnr forum?

but no, axl isn't jealous of $lash and Puff.. hell no.   He probably doesn't give a fuck, and when he releases his album its gonna blow the fuck out of contraband and every other band out there today.

Jealous no, but the fact Axl hasnt said a word or been seen in public since VR released CB shows Axl is feeling some pressure, and isnt totally comfortable now.  Going by that info its hard to say exactly what Axls thinking. My guess is Axl has blocked out VR by cutting off all contact with the world. Good strategy.  :confused:

I do like GN'R, love them infact... have been listening since 1988, you?
The new line-up is unproven, so arguing old vs. new is redundant at best.
And yes, the new line up does have a circus-like image, in look as well as reputation

anyway im going to stop now as I'm reminded of a quote "only an idiot argues with an idiot"

of course hes jelous....

Slash, Duff, Matt all just won a Grammy..... 

oh but Axl did buy a Neon Mobile Horse Sign!!!

Neon horse...LOL!
I don't think he's jealous...I don't even think he's living in the real world...so up in his little fishbowl it's all that :hihi:
...time will tell

VR is good, but they don't do it for me that much.  They are better than the most bands out there now. 

There's nothing to be jealous about, plain and simple as that!

'Contraband' has some good songs but most are mediocre.

I think Scott is a poser, trying hard to be something he's not: a rock star!

Duff and Slash, although still great players, do not come close to the work they did when they were in GNR: I think they were pushed harder back then!

Don't get me wrong, I'm not an Axl adebt whole the way.  It's just the way I see it. :beer:

I do hope Axl will deliver a great album, but the new songs have not disappointed me...

VR songs are mediocre and they've only 1 brilliant song; slither. however, they're betta than some of the other bands out there at the moment.

I don't think Axl is jealous. if he felt pressure of CB, i think he would have released Chinese Democracy sooner due to competition.

I never mentioned "modern rock", or for that matter 'elite genre".

You did.

I may have some info about what Axl thinks about VR (if Slash can be trusted!).  In January 2005, Slash gave a brief interview on the UK's Virgin Radio.  The most interesting part came when the DJ asked whether Axl had contacted Slash to congratulate him on the success of VR.  Slash replied that he had not spoken to Axl personally.  But, talking to a 'mutual friend', he had learned Axl's reaction to Contraband.  Axl does, apparently, wish that 'he had produced' the album.  The DJ then quipped 'yeah, release date 2010', and Slash laughed.

What Axl meant by this is anyone's guess.  Was he admiring the album, and wishing he had been involved?  Or was he critising it, saying that he could have produced it better?

But because the reported reaction is neither too positive or too negative, I think it's more plausible than some of the ideas above.


The interview can he heard at
http://www.virginradio.co.uk/music/artists/velvet_revolver/index.html.

If they had won Album of the Year maybe he'd be jealous but I don't particularly think he is.  For VR, I think from a commerical standpoint they were wise to pick Weiland (even if I'm not a big fan of his) and the ensuing media attention they've garnered as a result.....well, they couldn't really ask for more at this stage in their career.  They are doing what they love and have been successful at it. 

They have not though, been overly embraced critically, which view I share, I don't think Contraband is that great.  Axl is always going to have more mystique about him and they have to live with being asked about him time and time again.  I can see Axl being envious of Slash being such a well-loved "personality".  It goes both ways I guess. 

I dont think Axl cares what VR does.   Just wait til his album drops then you will know if he is a failure.
You called Axls 2002 tour a failure but he sold more tix than VR did on their sucessful tour. Go figure.

I don't know if either "jealous" or "envious" are the words.

He made no attempt to hide the fact in one radio interview that he didn't want to do anything that would help his former bandmate's albums, so it's obvious he cares in some fashion.

I think the biggest factor would be his personal opinion of Contraband as an album, which nobody really knows for sure.  My guess is that he doesn't give two fucks about the Grammy.

It all depends on what axl considers success. If its geting on the charts, mtv, and selling 10 million records.... then he is going to be pretty jealous of VR. Because axl has a lot of factors going against him

1) When was the last time you heard a high pitched metal voice on modern radio... that type of vocal styling is not in vogue anymore... whereas weildand's voice is and so is the music the VR are making.

2) The complex arrangements and epic tunes axl is rumored to be working on will not find there way on to commercial radio. November rain did well but once a band has the clout gnr did back then you can release anything and get away it.

3) lack of commercial radio play will mean less 'band wagon' record sales. I mean the 12-15 year old who buy whatever is cool.

Don't get me wrong I have no doubt axl is going to create a masterpiece. Whether that transfers into millions of records remains to be seen.

But i think axl is not jealous because he obviously working on artistic merrit and not commercial success or else he'd would have never let slash n the boyz quit.

Axl could have put out a contraband if he wanted... obviously thats not his goal

I didn't say the tour was a failure, I said it was a failed tour, it ended miserably. And there's no way I believe that they sold more tix than VR. No way, show me the figures...

axl is more than a high pitched voice dude

and probably there hasnt been any because axl's vocal style is a one in a lifetime voice

Its really simple. Look at the venues gnr played and the ones VR played.
Gnr played areanas while VR play clubs. Even when gnr half filled Areanas its still more people buying tix to that show than when VR sell out a club.

don't forget the highly succesfull asia-and european tour lol :headbanger:

Great post! :peace:

Its really simple. Look at the venues gnr played and the ones VR played.
Gnr played areanas while VR play clubs. Even when gnr half filled Areanas its still more people buying tix to that show than when VR sell out a club.



Dude, VR dosen't play clubs. Maybe they did some club dates in the beginning, but they play the same size venues as GNR was doing.  Shit, here they sold out two nights at the Wiltern in like minutes.

GNR did the same thing - but in NY-MSG!!!! Also, they sold out Phillys (even if it blew up) and Boston, I guess. Big fuckin' venues! :rant:

From the reports that I heard, NY and Philly were the only sell-outs. The rest of the US shows were half to two thirds capacity.

The  name solely didn't sell tickets so much then.

The next round will be totally different.

I don't think that Axl at this point thinks very much in terms of what other people expect. If VR wins or not a grammy is of no concern to the vision that Axl has of making a music revolution with the new album he has been preparing for the last decade. Of course some personal feelings have to be triggered by this kind of events, but Axl has a greater goal with his music. The thing with VR is that they keep doing what they have always done but suddenly it has become cool cause its kind of retro. If VR would have come out 5 years ago it would have been a comercial disaster, things are like that, sometimes you are at the right place, at the right time. But by no means VR music is going for the same goal that Axl's music is going, so they are not even direct competition.

1990

Its not about arguing old vs. new.. its about what is GnR TODAY?  the old band broke up a long time ago, so in my opinion discussing them is redundant.   If someone doesn't like GnR (meaning GnR today), they should not be at a gnr forum.  they'd be happier, less of a nuisance, and better off somewhere else.

1990

Its not about arguing old vs. new.. its about what is GnR TODAY? the old band broke up a long time ago, so in my opinion discussing them is redundant. If someone doesn't like GnR (meaning GnR today), they should not be at a gnr forum. they'd be happier, less of a nuisance, and better off somewhere else.

LOL, now don't get mad, I don't want to be a nuisance and inconvenience you, but what is there about GNR today? What do they offer to be a fan? There's a never ending rotation of members, they haven't released any new music, they cancelled shows last minute on the fans. I mean i'm not going to be a blind fan and say, "Oh JoeSchmo is the new guitarist? Cool!" I'd like the minimal respect fans get, music on a timely basis, shows I can expect to see, some bands fight tooth and nail just to get along - for the fans. Now I have always been an Axl fan, and am looking forward to CD. But as a fan I am so disappointed. Someone might say something like, "Well you don't know what's going on" but just as a fan I know that I haven't been offered any substantial new music in too many YEARS by this artist I've been loyal to.

You are the one who chooses to wait for the music..  Axl doesn't owe you anything, any money you've paid for GnR stuff you've gotten.   Axl is entitled to take all the time he needs.  If you want to support it, thats awesome.. you should.  but if you dont. it just makes me wonder why someone like that would be here other then to be a tool.   i want the music just as bad as the next guy, but whining about it like mike liuga or whatever that crybaby's name is, on an internet message board isn't going to accomplish a damn thing.   Live your life, like Axl said, and someday CD will be in your hands..

You are the one who chooses to wait for the music.. Axl doesn't owe you anything, any money you've paid for GnR stuff you've gotten. Axl is entitled to take all the time he needs. If you want to support it, thats awesome.. you should. but if you dont. it just makes me wonder why someone like that would be here other then to be a tool. i want the music just as bad as the next guy, but whining about it like mike liuga or whatever that crybaby's name is, on an internet message board isn't going to accomplish a damn thing. Live your life, like Axl said, and someday CD will be in your hands..

Wow, you are a big fan. I gave up on waiting for a new CD years ago. And If I die tomorrow, my spirit is gonna be pissed that I didn't get to enjoy new music from my favorite artist for the last twelve years of my life.

nice,?? :D sooo right lol, can we have the next round soon please?? :phone:

tru, there's lots of supportpages 4 rapidfire, oldgnr and hollywoodrose around lol? :) and other good oldies? ;)

i think this section is mainly a forum 4 gunsnroses fans? they rock anyway and i don't think axl's jealous? :peace:



ps\ though i love 2 read about axl's previous projects- hollywood rose rocked :headbanger:

yes, guns n roses of TODAY.  the ex-members imo have no place here.

Ah, I'm sorry, I'm just tryin to be funny. I mean honestly i'm a lil pissed that this band is called Guns N' Roses, but believe it or not, I do support it and axl's the Man. I'll respect the forum guys...

I was pissed at first too.. but I look at it this way.  GnR was a band formed by Axl Rose and Izzy Stradlin, long before $lash or them came into the picture.. By the UYI Albums, Axl had taken over the bands musical direction, he was the leader of the band.  The other guys quit one by one later on down the road.. what was axl supposed to do?  GnR WAS IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE his baby.  He didnt' want to give it up like the other guys, it was more important to him.  And I do not believe Axl would work with anything less then top notch musicans.  I saw the band myself and I'm proud to call it Guns N' Roses.

I have stated nothing derogatory regarding nu-gn'r, perhaps if you read my posts again you will see that. I am merely contributing to the discussion of whether or not Axl is jealous of VR's success to which I have stated I think VR's success will contribute to Axl's competitive spirit.

I am here to have reasoned discussions, i'm not going to blindly accept Axl's word as gospel (nor VR's for that matter)and I will look at things rationally and will state my opinion accordingly...

Nuisance? That is rich coming from you? :hihi:

Peace? :beer:

It all depends on Axl's views on music and the music business in general.? If he wants to be successful with his music and his career, then he probably is jealous of VR.? But if he wants to succeed by doing something that he himself will be proud of, and he doesn't care about commercial success, then I don't think he'd be jealous of VR.? ?

But on a personal level, I'm sure it must be hard for him when the guys he used to be in a band with are having success like that and rubbing it in his face.  Especially when they are using Axl to get ahead.

Especially when they are using Axl to get ahead.

How are they doing that? I think Slash and especially Duff, have been nothing but diplomatic when the inevitable questions from journalists regarding Axl come up.
To me, they have done everything they can to forge a distinct and seperate path. However, comparisons and questions about Axl are to be expected

In most of the interviews I've read, Axl (or GN'R) is brought up in some way or another.? I could give you numerous quotes if you wish.? But they frequently call him crazy or say he broke up the band.? Did you see that Inside Out thing on VR?? At the beginning, the narrator says that GN'R broke up and most of the blame was placed on Axl.? And to be honest, the only thing worth reading in most VR interviews is when they criticize Axl.? Because the only other things in the interview are " the guys in VR used to party a lot, but now they are all responsible family men".? You see, they need that "feud" with Axl to make things interesting, because without that, they are just rockstars trying to make a comeback.

Also, remember who Scott was for Halloween?

And if they don't want to talk about Axl or GN'R, and the interviewer brings it up, they can always use the classic "no comment".

granted, there have been a few comments here and there, most of which have been due to the slant the journalist wants to bring to said article or interview

but there have been plenty of positive responses such as Duff wishing him the best, constant praise for his ability as a frontman and songwriter not to mention Slash asking "is that necessary" when a crowd started chanting "Fuck Axl".

I think there is an inevitable sense of frustration when they discuss him, but overwhelmingly I feel there is a real sense of respect and admiration that is conveyed.

Slash and Duff always call Axl crazy, and Matt always says that he doesn't like Axl.  I believe Matt even made fun of Axl's "new look" too, and you know that's what all the interviewers dream of hearing.  And it doesn't matter who brings up Axl.  The point is that if you don't have enough finesse to be able to control a conversation (i.e., not talking about Axl even when provoked), then maybe you shouldn't be doing interviews in the first place.  And if you are going to do interviews, take responsibility for what you say.  Don't blame it on the interviewer. 

Even worse is when they talk about Axl, but they have an attitude like "well, I won't say his name, but I think you know who I'm talking about".

yes, but you are neglecting the examples I stated in my last post

the way you talk, you would think they werent former members of GN'R. Of course Axl will come up, and you can expect a degree of frustration from time to time. I stated Duff and Slash specifically because I think it applies more to them.

And you still havent given a convincing example of how they are "using him" in some way to benefit.

By this rationale, are you also saying that Axl is using Slash etc.. given his numerous outbursts (and they were a whole lot more pointed and aggressive than anything VR have said) to somehow gain an advantage for nu-gnr ?

No, I think Axl loses his temper, that's all.? But Slash and Duff are just asking for it.? They start a band with 3/5 of GN'R (4/5 when Izzy joins them), and they expect people to forget about that and focus on the present.? But they constantly bring up the past, whether it is Axl, GN'R, or their former lifestyles.? And their former lifestyles are going to be associated with GN'R, so it will also be associated with Axl.? If they are frustrated by something a fan says at a concert, for example, then that is one thing.? But when an interviewer asks things having to do with Axl, then they bring it upon themselves by the way they handle that situation.

As far as using Axl...people know Slash and Duff and Matt from GN'R.? By mentioning GN'R or Axl, that is drawing attention to themselves, or making people interested in them.? People are interested in a feud between the former members and Axl.? So anything said is only going to add fire to that feud, according to the people's perspective.  Bottom line, when most people think of VR, they don't think about Contraband (notice they had a fan base before they released their album), they think about GN'R (and STP if you're a fan).  So they are using that to their advantage.

well you agree with me then in the sense that they will forever be tied to GNR and that is inevitable - therefor it is inevitable that questions will be asked and given the rich history they all share, answers will be provided. This is not using Axl for any benefit that I can see - it is merely dealing realistically with a situation at hand. You are right, feud does equate to copy from a journalistic angle - I still see no evidence of them perpertrating this issue to gain any benefit.

Your justification/rationalisation for Axls pointed insults holds no water in my view - Axls are just heat of the moment outbursts where as Slash/Duff are implementing a calculated marketing campaign? Come on....

first of all, there is no nu-gnr.  calling it that is so fucking gay.  its GNR.  like it or not, thats who GnR is now. if you haven't gotten over that, you should go to a fucking VR forum.

and you called them a circus, you meant that in a negative way.  Axl would not work with anything but the best.  most of the guys in his band are way more talented this $lashole or Puff.

Well, the only leg VR has to stand on is their former bands. ?Their music is dated, as well as their image. ?I don't think it is necessary to mention Axl. ?If they hate talking about him so much, then they shouldn't talk about him. ?But they do talk about him because GN'R is all they have to give themselves credibility, and if you're going to talk about GN'R, who better to talk about than Axl? ?

It's all about perception.  If you don't perceive that they are using Axl to get ahead, then there's nothing I can say that will change your mind. 

my last word on this to you JimBob - I am a GN'R fan, a big Axl fan - the circus reference was due to the whole image and was not necessarily negative

you sound like a broken record with your "if youre not a fan dont post blah blah blah"

ive an idea, until you can think of something vaguely intelligent to post, why dont you find a new forum...

until you become a mod here, don't tell people where they can and cant post  : ok:

you make some good points- we'll agree to disagree on this one  :beer:

Y'know, I'm not a big VR fan, but I do believe they have a lot of young fans who have no idea who Axl is. That kind of fan base is growing, as VR's popularity continues to grow. I believe it is important for Axl to have his album to be a commercial success and what unfolds wll definitely be interesting!

I dont know if he is jealous of VR per say since he has had success in the past that utterly swamps the success VR are enjoying right now and his place as rock frontman/legend wont ever be equalled by Weiland (I couldnt imagine , unless VR's next album is some kind of pure masterpiece) so I dont think jealosuy is correct.

I'm sure he is surprised that slash and duff have gotten back into the public spotlight and are winning awards with a great selling album/band .... but again , thats not something he hasnt done a few times over so again I cant see him beinmg jealous.

I do however think the success of VR and Contraband has Axl a little "anxious" or "nervous" about his own album .. it would be suicide if Axl's album doesnt outsell Velvet Revolver .. I think it would be the knockout punch that he wont be able to get off the floor from.

 :peace:

I havent read all the posts in this thread so I apologise if I am saying something that's already be said. Really i'm just replying to the 1st post anyway. First of all when Axl said he had watched Slash "throw his career away", I assume this was in regards to Slash's snakepit and not VR, if it was Snakepit then what Axl said made sense cos let's face it that Snakepit stuff wasn't anything amazing! VR on the ohter hand I really like. Secondly the 'Round 1' thing, do you really think that was aimed at Slash and co?? I mean VR werent around in '02 so there wasnt really a 'musical boxing match' going on, I figured Axl was just saying that to the critics and ppl saying he's sat on his arse for years and hasn't got any new music.
Now as for Axl being happy for VR and wishing them success, I doubt that very much. I remember John Frusciante saying when he was out of the Chili Peppers (While killing himself with heroin) he was watching Dave Navarro playing his material with the peppers and it 'was like watching someone fuck your girlfriend'. I'm sure Axl has a similar feeling watching VR performing I'ts So Easy etc. MAybe he wouldn't be bitter if they had seperated on good terms but they didn't so he's bound to be a bit pissed off, however as others have said this should only spur him on to make and even better album.

Well, that makes VR sound more like a fad than a success.?

VR is just nostalgia, and that will pass.? They have no credibility other than their past careers.? It's like if you have famous parents, and you try to succeed in the entertainment business.? Their status might get you in the door, but ultimately if you don't have the talent for it, you'll never been anything more than "so and so's kid".?

I saw on the TV Guide Channel yesterday, Scott, Dave, and Matt were with Joan and Melissa Rivers commenting on what people wore to the grammies.

Well, for myself, I learned you cannot make predictions in the music business. You never KNOW. That's it. I would never go as far as to call VR a "fad". Maybe they will fade away, but then again - who knows? Noone can truly forsee. If you heard Ashley Simpson sing (!) you would probably say "No way this girl will have any success in music" and y'know she's doin' pretty damn good. So I let time fortell the future, not bold predictions.

Well, by "fad" I didn't mean something that fades away.? Ashlee Simpson is the perfect example of what I meant.? Something that is there for commercial appeal, not for raw talent.? Something that gets it's success because of something/someone else that was successful.

But I wouldn't know anything about the music business anyway.  If they sell albums, they're successful, right?  So they're successful.  But since I don't know them, I can see everything from an outside perspective.  And from where I'm sitting, I can see that VR are very full of themselves, and their cockiness doesn't even come from what they're doing now, it comes from what they did before.  And if you get too comfortable, you're going to slip sooner or later.

Well, I guess I get opinionated here. I do think Matt Sorum has been cocky. LOL. But the other guys seem to have been gracious, and only recently have they dared to vent about Axl. But to be fair, Axl has said and done things so disrespectful of his former bandmates that I think it's fair.

Well, Izzy said some unnecessary things about Axl a few years ago in an interview, so I hope he doesn't jump on the "bash Axl" bandwagon since the other guys are.? And the rest of the guys can't keep their stories straight.? Like, Duff was complaining in an interview a few years ago about Axl showing his house in the Estranged video.? That it was separating them from their fans, and they'd become the "beautiful people".? But look at them now.? Although, I realize you can't hold every that was said then as relevant, but still...

And it's not just Axl that they seem to have a problem with.? They say they're the best band in the world, and all the other bands out there today suck because they're young and they don't know what real music is, etc.?

And maybe Axl hasn't been the nicest guy in the world, but there is such a thing as "being the bigger man". 

What bandwagon?? How could he jump on a bandwagon when 1) Hes been saying the same things for years and 2) He was in GNR? 

And how have the other guys bashed Axl?? I guarantee anything you reference is more along the lines of informed, honest opinion than malicious bashing.


Id like to see where they say all other bands out there suck because theyre young and dont know what real is...Until you provide such a quote, Ill just assume that youre lying to prove your point.


By telling them to suck his dick?? By calling Slash a liar?? I dont exactly know what youre talking about here.?

I meant that even though Axl says negative things about them, they can be the bigger men by not responding to what Axl does.

About Izzy, I meant that I hope he doesn't start calling Axl crazy, etc. in interviews since that's what his friends do.  And, from what I've read, Izzy never said anything too harsh about Axl except for one interview a few years ago. 

 ::) oh!,  Axl is jealous cuz Slash has a better singer today, Scott sings nice more  than Axl n'  Scott gotta inject heroine before to get on stage...oh yeah u're right!,... now I see why Axl gets jealous these times  :hihi: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Actually, maybe Axl is a little jealous because Izzy will play with them.  That's the only good thing they've got going for them.

  :no: oh poor Izzy, scott will disturb him with his cocaine smoke before they get on stage  :smoking: 

Who knows...as long as Izzy's happy, to hell with everyone else, right??

ok, tell us then! how long have ya been smoking crack? to hell with ur  health then, right?  ::)

No, but if someone does something Izzy doesn't like, he just throws a fit and does an interview saying that he doesn't need to do interviews because he's above that.  So, in other words, I don't think Izzy would hang around them if Scott was openly using drugs like that.

I think that Axl might have been jelous, before he've heared the VR record. The album is very weak and I don't know why it became so popular, but maybe times are different.
Whatever Axl will do, it will destroy VR and people will forget about them. And who said that the singels will only by epic balladas. Maybe the first single will be Cheinese Democracy itselfe? The GN'R sound is more colorful, powerful and it's closer to legend, then VR sound ever will be.

MoonMax :smoking:

BTW Is it true that Izzy will play with VR or You are just joking ???

I meant that Izzy has played with VR in the past.  He recorded with them.  He joined them for three shows last September, etc.  So he is on friendly terms with them.  I don't know if he'll play with them again in the future.

I haven't heard Contraband, and I don't plan to.  But who knows what the future will bring?  I've read the lyrics to the songs though, and they weren't anything special.  I've seen their videos and heard their singles, and they didn't do anything for me either. 

Lots of music is bad these days, but it sells anyway for one reason or another.  It's not about the music.

He did not record with VR, did he? ??? I am not sure. Neither Izzy nor VR said anything

Not positive, but the songs he wrote with them were recorded at least.

I recall Axl saying that 'there are some neat bits and parts' on the other guys' solo efforts...
something along the lines of what they were doing not right for the next Guns' album.

i've never heard Axl putting down Slash or Duff's musical talents/abilities...
so i dont' think he thinks they 'suck' or anything like that
i think he can recognize things he likes about what VR has produced..
but by no means do i believe he is sitting back thinking 'oh i wish i had done that'
another thing i remember is how way back in the day Axl said they could listen to a song and say something like - cool riff.... or cool bass line...  but still dismiss an entire song otherwise.
same thing with liking a song by a particular band but not per se being a fan of the band

NO

I'm sure his not jealous at all. The work he will release "soon" will be a  much perfect piece of music.

Regarding contraband, only ygnr, loving the alien and stblues are good songs in my opinion, which of course, is as good as anyone elses. The album seems to repetitive for me, and surely from what we've already heard, chinese democracy will be anything but repetitive.

Maybe not jealous but I'm sure he feels the competition so to speak. I'm pretty sure if VR are planning to release a follow up album circa xmas, this will be enough of an incentive for Axl to finally release CD beforehand.

Madagascar is pretty darn repetitive if you ask me. The Rhiad & Bedions song even more so.

Madagscar repetitive? Sometimes but still my 2nd favourite new song, apparently studio version is soooooooooo good that it is like a heavinly angel choir singing into your ears, and that is not a bad thing

 ??? :hihi:

Where did you get this?

me. ??? :hihi: :hihi:

So youve heard the studio version?  And it sounds like a "heavinly angel choir singing into your ears?"

No. I heard a heavenly angel choir singing into my ears and thought it sounded like the studio version of
The song. That's about it.  :D

i can say one thing for sure that Axl has no reason what-so-ever to be looking any further than his own fan base to see that he has some of the coolest truest most loyal fans who support thim through thick and thin.  : ok:

State the absolute obvious  :hihi: