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GN'R Sign New Deal?
 
 02 Feb 2005 Guns N' Roses have parted company with their record label Geffen.

Internet sources are suggesting that the band (who only feature frontman Axl Rose from the original line-up of the band) have apparently inked a deal with Sanctuary Records

source : www.metalhammer.co.uk
 

Well, Stinson said in Oslo that Sanctuary was GNR`s record company..

Probably another case of confusion with the Sanctuary publishing deal.

I don't think Universal would let them go after having invested so much money in this album.

It's amazing how many music news sources are mis-reporting this.
By "Internet Sources" they probably meant the MelodicRock story, which was
corrected the next day. Clearly, it's just the publishing deal.

I remember i asked Tommy (when we talked about GNR), witch recordcompany they would use, and he said Sanctuary.... Im positive about that, but there is a possability that he thought i asked what recordcompany HE used.

Hum, maybe this is where the French radios got the idea from.
Shouldn't Music mags know their beans better?

Internet sources... I'm not surprised.

Axl's publishing deal press release would NOT have said "dozens of songs for Universal Music" if they were in the process of leaving Universal/Geffen. Common sense people. :peace:

I wonder why they put that "for Universal Music" bit in the announcement expressly.

If it's to prevent confusion, it?s not working, is it.

A DJ at Oui fm which is most of the time a reliable rock station stated he saw chinese democracy was in the BMG release list catalog. And I'm not a pro in record companies but I don't think BMG is a branch of universal so if the source is accurate GNR may have changed label.

Axl uses money from publishing deal to pay back Geffen and then GNR signs with Sanctuary.  :nervous:

Anarchy, great minds think alike...I was just about to post something like that. Sanctuary in turn pays Axl a fee to sign with them..Axl gets his $$$$$$ back....Axl loses problems of dealing with a major label and is "freed of all the chains".

I wouldn't be surprised if they did parted, to be honest.  The label had GH released. Who nose.

Useful note: Sanctuary is related to BMG. So is RCA.
In some countries, Morrissey?s (Attack/Sanctuary) and Velvet Revolver's records are both released from BMG.  :o

The way I understand it, Sanctuary Records only has a distribution deal with BMG. Check BMG's official website : Sanctuary is not one of their labels.
Velvet Revolver are signed to RCA Records, which is a BMG label. Completely different situation.

I dont remember the Sanctuary deal in Oslo, but GNR might be using them or Tommy misunderstood. Howewer, Axl might have bought GNR out of Geffen.

That's why Chinese Democracy is on a BMG release list ... That would make sense. So in France it appears that Chi Dem will be distributed by BMG elsewhere it will be sanctuary or BMG... which would mean geffen and universal are out of the equation.

If you look at the Santuary Record Label, they don't have any real large or
high-profile acts on it's roster (meaning, I don't think they have a current artist
or group that has gone platinum while at Sanctuary). They're not a "big player" when it comes
to the recording end of things.
Still, it doesn't matter how much Axl received from Sanctuary for the publishing
rights. the band GnR has still be financed and is under contract with Geffen/Universal
and Axl can't just walk away from it, or pay them off unless the record company
really wants it to happen.

I don't agree. They would be on a BMG list of releases if Sanctuary was one of their labels, which is not the case. I think a distribution deal is a different matter altogether.
For example, I sometimes see albums being released on an indie label but having a distribution deal with a bigger record company. It doesn't mean the band is signed to that record company. It's exactly how it works for Sanctuary.
I really don't think we should look too much into that. Probably confusion on the journalist's part. Once again.

Well if BMG is distributing it in France I wouldn't be surprised radio stations receive a BMG list with CD on it. Because if sanctuary records is not distributed in France they still have to get the info Chi Dem is being relased in 2005 through.
I don't know about NRJ or even RTL2 but djs at oui fm are pretty reliable to me. But at the end of the day I don't really care ... what I want is it to be released on BMG or Geffen or whatever as soon as possible. The label or distributor for us are not that important.

Sanctuary is an independent label not a subsidiary. And BMG/SONY does release other label's records in many countries.
If you?re in doubt, check some Morrissey record or any Sanctuary artists.

I know that for a fact.

Lesty, Geffen may want him out. That is what I am saying. They could just cut their losses and take a settlement. They still have the real golden egg-the back catalog! : ok: ps Would you want a guy on your roster who took 10 years to complete a record-sued you for releasing a record-and generally told you to fuck off every chance he got.  ???

If Axl paid his way out, yes, they would, but it would leave axl skint ( skint = without money)

Axl is far from broke... he just got PAID from Sanctuary, lol. but anyways, why not just say "without money"... that was pretty annoying.....

and why not ?

pleased to annoy you, my pleasure.

There is a great article in Entertainment Weekly currently on the stands about Sanctuary Records and how it is signing all of these older, past successful artists such as Billy Idol, Chaka Khan, Megadeth, Lyndard Skynard, Kiss, Blonde, Earth, Wind and Fire among others. The article describes how Sanctuary can profit from these artists by offering them a literal one stop 360 degree business model, consolidating all holdings in the band, by offering them use of Sanctuary's publishing arm, merchandizing, booking agency, and managment all in one stop, thus cutting out the middle men. Sanctuary has been able to make profit even from modest selling artists like Morrissey.

EW cites GnR as a management client only, although I would totally understand the need to dump Geffen and sign with their publishing and managment team.

Being on an independent would also give Axl much more artisitic/creative control of what the final product is. No compromising with the record label. Even if Chinese ends up on Geffen, his future releases could be with Sanctuary. I am sure Axl and Geffen are having quite a conversation right now. It is all about playing hardball. My understanding is that Gnr has one album left on their original contract. Thus, they/he owes them Chinese. However, if there is more than one album worth of material, then Axl will claim it is his because his contract is fulfilled and Geffen will claim it is theirs because they paid for the sessions. Maybe this is why Axl never finished all the vocals???-to claim there was no product!!!! There are alot of cool legal issues here and negotiating strategies. Unfortunately, it also shows you the ugly business side of things where it is "all about the benjamins" when you reach that level of status. It is interesting but very disheartening for the fans who just want to hear the guy sing. :peace:

Damn! Anyone going to Tommys Show 2night??? If u get to talk to him, Dont ask about CD! Coz we know that! But ask about GNR recordcompany....

Geffen or Sanctuary!

Universal or BMG!


Maybe this is a part of the Chinese Democracy which is 95% done? ;D

Anyhow it seems that  the "GH" hinderer came to an end.

can't say this thought hasn't crossed my mind.

would a move like this be unprecedented?

It'd be interesting info to know if an artist has done this in the past.

In talking about unprecedentedness, What if Axl even starts a new label?

Furthermore, if GN'R releases Chinese DemocracyS on both Universal and BMG at once, this is

the most record-breaking move I can imagine practically, ever. Talk about a new record!!!

Guns are still with Geffen. The Publishing Deal statement clearly stated that Axl had recorded tracks for Universal Music (which Geffen is a subsidary of).

If he had left Geffen and signed with Sanctuary Records, Sanctuary would be legally required to announce the deal as they are a public limited company.

Metal Hammer merely based there report on false information!

So, for clarity, Geffen are the record company, and Sanctuary are the management company?

Geffen are the Record Label (they are a subsidary of Interscope, who in turn are a subsidary of Universal Music Group who in turn are a subsidary of Vivendi Universal).

Sanctuary Music Publishing are the Music Publishers for any new material (the actual catalogue will be handled by Kobalt Muisc Group who do a lot of Sanctuary Music Publishing's work, Sanctuary Music Publishing are a branch of Sanctuary Group).

Sanctuary Artist Management are the Management Company (Guns n Roses are part of the New York roster, Merck Merck Mercuriadis is the band's manager (he also represents Jane's Addiction and Iron Maiden to name a few, and is CEO of Sanctuary Group - Sanctuary Artist Management are also a subsidary of Sanctuary Group).

Guns n Roses have no affiliation whatsoever with Sanctuary Records (who are a subsidary of Sanctuary Group) at the moment. Tommy Stinson's solo work is represented by Sanctuary Records but the band have no affiliation, Tommy is signed to Sanctuary Records only as a solo artist.

I think that's everything!  ;)

Where did I say Metal Hammer was right?  ::)

besides, that's as may be not yet, but Axl probably is having/ had quite a conversation with Geffen (or others) like madagus said. Who the fuck nose about the future.

In a way I agree with what your saying.

Once Axl has fulfilled his contract with Geffen he will most likely join Sanctuary Records, it just "makes sense". But at the moment the fact that he is still listed as an artist under all of Geffen, Interscope and Universal's websites indicate that he is still under contract and has obligations to fulfill!

Does anyone know the last record deal that Guns n Roses signed with Geffen? How many albums did they sign for?

They originally signed for 7 albums if I remember correctly.

Well, if any of that is still in effect, than wouldn't Chinese Democracy make #7?  ???

1. Appetite for Destruction
2. Lies
3. Use Your Illusion I
4. Use Your Illusion II
5. The Spaghetti Incident
6. GN'R Live Era
7. Chinese Democracy

greatest hits

free of all the chains...  :P

CD was meant to be number 7 but of course so much time has passed the label felt it needed to recoup some of the money it invested. So as of now, Axl most likely has a financial obligation to Universal, but not a contractual one. He could conceivably buy his way out with this latest deal and sign on to Sanctuary. This could be the part of the legal wranglings holding this puppy up.

I guess it depends whether you consider UYI as two different albums or a single double album...And as Norway said there has been the Greatest Hits in the meantime.

You could also argue that Lies was an EP rather than an album (they signed for 7 album). It would have to be more complicated than normal wouldn't it!

Wouldn't there contract mean only "new material" (rather than GH which is just a rehasing of old material). So with that in mind (and assuming Lies is an album and UYI is 2 albums).

1. AFD
2. Lies
3. UYI1
4. UYI2
5. SI
6. Live Era? (I suppose it was "new material" as the live stuff hadn't been released before).
7. Chinese Democracy?

Although Geffen could argue that AFD, Lies, UYI (counting as one, not two) and SI are the only albums Guns have released! So they are contracted to 3 more!

I don't really know it has to be said. What is certain at the moment is that if CD came out tomorrow it would be on Geffen but we all know that that isn't gonna happen!  ::)

As far as I know, usually compilations such as Greatest Hits and live albums aren't included.

It seems like ig a band has a five album deal, that means five studio albums plus a compilation of some sort.




/jarmo

Actually, I'm quite sure compilations are included. That's why a lot of bands release a GH album just to be freed from their recording contract.

As stated already, the Sanctuary press release on their website specifically states tracks recorded for Universal Music. That is all we need to know.

Metal Hammer are no better than Kerrang who are no better than sh+t on toilet paper  : ok:

I think Jarmo is correct. I know Oasis was signed to a six album deal. So far they have released 5 studio albums and 2 compilations (b-sides, live album). Their deal runs out this summer, when their sixth studio album is released. So obviously the compilations had no bearing on their deal.

Actually, now that I think of it, I think  greatest hits albums are included in a deal but other compilations are not which would be the reason why Oasis' compilations did not count.

Well, if any of that is still in effect, than wouldn't Chinese Democracy make #7? ???

1. Appetite for Destruction
2. Lies
3. Use Your Illusion I
4. Use Your Illusion II
5. The Spaghetti Incident
6. GN'R Live Era
7. Chinese Democracy


1. LIVE! LIKE A SUICIDE
2. AFD
3. LIES
4.USE ILLUSION 1
5.USE ILLUSION 2
6. SPAGHETTI INCIDENT
7. GN'R LIVE ERA

 :hihi: That clarifies it all. gnr is still with geffen.
get in the ring round 2 :rofl:

naaa. i reckon that gn'r with sanctuary

 ???

What despite the fact that Sanctuary would be breaking a number of laws by not declaring the new signing?  :hihi: