Here Today... Gone To Hell!

I'm sure I remember reading reports, back when VR were looking for a singer, that stated Mike Patton (Faith No More, Tomahawk etc) was someone they wanted to work with and that Sebastian Bach (Skid Row) had actually jammed with them a few times and was a potential lead singer. The reason I ask this is cos neither were mentioned in 'The Rise of VR' documentary despite it's in depth look at VR's search for a singer (I mean they showed video footage of that dude from Little Hell, why no video footage of Sebastain Bach!?).

because showing bach would take away from the star magnatude of scott. the other guys were bad and they wanted to show how bad most people were, if they showed bach and he was good more people would question if he should of got the job

if  you consider cock rock good. most people don't. Showing showing the Baz footage wouldn't have made a difference. The only reason it wasn't shown is problably because Baz didn't want to look bad.

They set up that cat from little hell like a bowling pin, bottom line. I felt bad for that guy. It was such an American Idol set up. Bring in somebody that they know isn't going to cut it and exploit the shit out of him, was the plan. It was painfully obvious. I thought that VH1 doc was scripted. "Everybody sucks" blah, blah, blah, "What are we going to do?" blah, blah, blah," "Thank god here comes the best singer in the world, Scott Weiland". Mofo, please. The only reason they took Weiland is because he already has a name, he's controversial and that gets column space. Like when he was busted in Cali copping some shit (while wearing a white dress and pumps, if you asked me that boy is a MO). All business man. If they were truly about artistry, they would have chosen someone who is remarkably talented. Its just one man's opinion, don't start humping my leg because I have an opinion. Stexxx out..........

Mike Patton Just Denied their offer. The wouldn't mention someone Who denied them.
I believe that there were better singers than Weiland.

they would have been viewed as a wannabe throwback 80's metal band again if they had Bach, since both GnR and Skid Row are from the? 80's. With Weiland they have someone from a totally different musical background. Also, i think slash commented that they sounded like Skid Row with bach and he didnt want that, he wanted something that sounded different, he wanted the band to have their own sound. Bach is a great singer tho i wish he would rejoin with Skid Row or find another band to join that needs a frontman.

Wow... if they had gotten Patton, VR might actually be a decent band.

On another note, I doubt seriously that Slash and Duff were looking for an innovative vocal talent like Patton, because they were looking to do the same ol' stuff, not something that pushes the envelope.  Mike Patton is out of their league, just like Axl is.

Let the flaming begin.  I'm sure I've pissed off at least one VR fan.

Its likely that Patton denied their offer to audition...I doubt they offered him the gig without even playing with him.

That's exactly what happened.

Patton along with a few others turned down offers to audition.

actually no...Duff spoke about him before contraband even came out. He said how his demo sounded amazing but when he got there it was the same voice(because he had fixed it up using a little studio magic)

Apparently Mike Patton was one of the guys VR wanted to front the band. It ain't made up, and from what I've heard, Mike just politely declined.

As for the "Mike Patton is out of their league, just like Axl is" comment, I guess all those years that they played together with Axl in GN'R didn't mean anything to you huh?

You miss my point... my point is that one of the reasons that they aren't together anymore (a reason stated by both sides) is that Axl wanted to progress... to push the envelope, and Slash didn't. 

So, yes, Axl is beyond their league -  as is Mike Patton.  Scott... on the other hand... is perfect.
 

So your interpretation of people having different musical vision is a way as saying that someone is better than another?

Axl wanted to turn GN'R into a techno-rock band, whereas Slash, Duff & Matt didn't, they wanted to continue in the same kick ass hard rock genre that GN'R were known and famous for, and that's where VR seem to have picked right up.
I don't see that as being "out of league", I see that as musical differences.

I read on a magazie that when they called Patton his manager sayd:"do you really think Mike will go there an sing Welcome To The Jungle??Come oooon!"



Edit:Just found the magazine.It was the Argentinian Rolling Stone wich had a the chronological story of  and VR.





Baby Slash//

it's that kinda stupidity that gets Axl worshippers in trouble

Sebastian, yes, but probably not Mike Patton

"Actually" we all saw the doc, so we already know what the excuse was. We don't really know what "actually" happened, do we.. It was  probably the producers of that show that pushed the guys to do something like that. Today, more then ever, people like to see people get there hopes up then fail. So the producers were probably behind that aspect for ratings. But, obviously it didn't help because the show really didn't stir up much attention.

I know this sounds redundant but, its TOO f'n bad the original lineup can't get back together. I can't even imagine how amazing that would be. The Guns break up has to be the most tragic story in Rock ever(not involving death). In MY OPINION, Axl really wrapped the other members nuts right around there heads. For a band to be so plutonium grade and then shattered because of one person, its just a bitch to me and I'm sure all of you. I feel bad for Slash and the guys not only did they miss out on countless fortune, it must have hurt them that their bro, that they came out of virtual poverty with, all of the sudden decided to destroy the family. A situation like theirs would ruin most people. But they are hanging in there and I respect that. I saw Guns perform at Giants stadium, when they taped the Paradise video and man, I never saw anything like it again in my life. To have almost 100,000 mofos goin ape shit (and I mean APE SHIT, that place was gurgling) for the opening act, it was undeniable that they were unlike any other band ever.

It's semantics really.  I'm not attempting to insult VR.  I have the album, I listen to it on occasion, and it's good.  Is it as good as GNR, no, not in my opinion.  I would hardly call VR a continuation of where GNR left off, nor would I call it kick ass... it's good, but, it isn't the knock you on your ass and knock the wind out of you rock that we got from Appetite.

Mike Patton would not have fit into the band that is VR, because he is far too experimental.  VR is certainly not experiemental.  The music that VR makes is tried and true rock n roll... stuff that worked in the past, which is why it works now.

It's stupidity to state the obvious, that Axl and Slash are in different leagues?  I'm not saying one is better than the other, just that they were (according to all things I read, from both sides) looking to create different kinds of music.  I'm not saying Axl is better than Slash... I'm saying that Slash was interested in staying with one particular genre of music, while Axl was interested in making something different.  Staying with one particular genre is NOT a progression. 

But..

Evolving within your particular field of stength is, which is exactly what Slash has done with VR. 

Not to beat a seriously dead horse, but he's now a major force within the modern rock genre, a sect of the market he never cracked in GNR..

I can see what you're saying, but UYI was a progression from AFD and that was still in the genre of rock n roll was it not?

Contraband might not be as good as GN'R's best stuff in your opinion, but it's still in the same vein, and it doesn't sound dated to me, so that would be a band evolving within the genre like Falcon said.

LOL!! Really? Mikes manager said that?! I guess it's true though. I love Mike Pattons voice, he really is one of the greatest (If not the greatest) singer in rock n roll right now and can make just about any noise imaginable with his voice, BUT I don't think he'd have fit VR at all, mainly due to how experimental he is (Just listen to the 2 Tomahawk CD's or Mr Bungle to see what I mean!). Scott is a better fit definately and again is an extremely talented singer (plus his lyrics make a bit more sense than some of Pattons more recent work!). I think Sebastian couldve fit in well with VR but as others said they would then have been deemed as '80's throwbacks' I guess.

I'm not sure about this theory of the Little Hell singer being used for the documentary but even if he was I doubt he'd give a fuck. I mean it's give him and his band exposure (had u ever heard of Little Hell before?!) and he gets to tell his mates in the pub he jammed with Slash! For the record I thought he was a great singer, much better than that stripper girl dude!! He was just so cheesy it was unbelievable!

Thanks to everyone who replied to my post, found out a lot of shit I didn't know! Cheers  :beer:

I really like Patton but I think VR was going for commercial success, and I don't see Patton compromizing his crazy experimental visions.

Bach would have been so disgustingly amazing with VR, words can't even describe. I don't agree with the 80's throwback argument. The man is a musician, I am sure he could have made music which sounds modern, he is currently working on a progressive rock album. But I wouldn't want to be in a band with him simply because he is a bozo. He is arrogant, acts like an asshole half the time, and would probably not get along with anyone, especially people who aren't planning on sucking up to him.

So, in a way, Scott was probably the best person when considering what Slash and co. wanted to accomplish.

Yeah I agree, have a listen to Baz's last album with Skid Row (Subhuman Race) and he was more than capable of singing modern heavy rock. It's a shame that he gets considered as an 80's hair singer.

But Scott was a good choice, and the more I see and hear from him live with VR, the more he reminds me of an early AFD era Axl Rose.

You are an idiot. Here is the true perspective. You can't have a band member that wants to take the bands music in a whole other direction and expect the rest of the group to just follow. It has to work for everyone. Also, I heard another "Axl ass-kisser" say that Axl is always following what is popular in music. He follows the trends basically. My question is, "Why doesn't Axl have the balls to start a new trend?"

Onto the Bach perspective. I can agree that Bach would have been fucking incredible. But when you have guys from two 80's bands (two of the best) you are going to catch some flak from people. Skid Row was awsome but I don't know why Slash said that VR with Bach sounded like Skid Row. Both lead guitarist did different things. Slash was more aggressive while Sabo used sqealing guitars. Plus the guy played with fenders...

People who can't understand the following sentence shouldn't judge others: It's not cool to insult other members of this board!




/jarmo

Having heard 'Contraband' and then listening to a few FNM and Mr Bungle albums, I can't help but think VR would be a completely different band to that which they are today. :confused: