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Yesterday http://www.sp1at.com/ reported that Merck Mercuriadis has stated that despite slash and duff's opposition to the new publishing deal, they will not delay Chinese Democracy in any way...

by the way...where did this splat site come from, and how do they know everything that goes on? are they just making this shit up or what?


here's the link to the story:

http://www.sp1at.com/1000000085.html

That's the old GN'R rumor board....



/jarmo

Yeah so they could just be making this shit up.  : ok:

Of course Slash and Duff won't delay CD in any way .... we've got Axl to do that!!! ?:hihi:

Merck was simply asked, "Is it business as normal with regards to Chinese
Democracy? Are you still planning as you mentioned last
week?"

To which he simply replied, "It is business as normal."

He didn't explicitly state "Duff and Slash's opposition to Axl's new publishing deal won't interfere with our plans for the album."

Ali

Sanctuary's original press release stands and that is on Sanctuary's website

Everything else is bike-shed talk. Ignore everything

thanks for clering tht up mysteron

As Ali said, the statement on the Splat site has been taken massively out of context. The original statement read:

As reported by AP, Duff McKagan has voiced opposition to the recent music publishing agreement between Sanctuary Music and Axl Rose.

Merck Mercuriadis, despite recent silence over this issue, has told Splat that despite this opposition by Duff McKagen to the aforementioned deal, it is "business as normal" with regards to the new Guns n'roses album, Chinese Democracy.

It does not say that Merck says "Slash and Duff won't delay CD". This information has been misinterpreted, it appears people read what they want an article to say rather than what it actually says.

Ignore alien orders? hehe.. LoL ?:peace:

Again, all Merck said is essentially nothing has changed since the announcement of the press release.  That's it and that's all.

Ali

Cool

It's all nothing. There is really no news here. People have voiced opinions and that's it

If he had said "It is business as abnormal", that would be something to shout about.

I'm so sick of the so called 'legal issues' that are delaying release of CD. I think its just a bullshit excuse. If any former band member has a legitimate lawsuit to go up against Axl over the old material it would be Izzy since him and Axl basically wrote all the songs. And you dont see Izzy bitching, so what's the problem? And even if there were a million people suing Axl, I don't see why lawsuits should delay release of CD. The only thing I can think of that would hold it up is maybe the rumours of AFD vol. 2 are true and maybe it will be a bonus disc to CD. Maybe thats why Duff and Slash are so pissed. Axl and Izzy's biggest mistake was giving songwriting credits to the whole band on AFD. If they hadn't done that, maybe we wouldnt be in this mess right now.

Just wanted to make sure I clarified what was actually said on Splat ?: ok:

It is all nothing, really. ?Nothing has happened since the press release on the publishing deal.

Ali

Legal issues are ongoing with most bands

Izzy doesn't really bitch at all. It's an admirable quality

Izzy is too cool for school.  8)

U called?

Izzy doesn't complain because that would mean leaving his cave and would alert people where he is. And where the hell is that new album he claimed would be out in 2002???????

No one on earth can delay Chinese Democracy - because it ain't coming out :'( ?And as it still lacks vocals its debateable whether there is an album to delay anyway.

Were there any morons who actually believed Slash and Duff can delay the record? I can see Axl being distraught over lawsuits because he tends to be emotional about things, but Slash and Duff have no control over the new record or GNR. Axl's new deal with Sanctuary is proof that Axl does whatever he wants.

"...we judge a book by it's cover and read what we want between selected lines..."

 ???

Do you know who wrote the songs? The whole band... Who wrote the famos riff of SCOM, PC, OTGM, ISE, WTTJ etc.? I'm afraid you don't. According to a 1991 Axl-interview (appeared in the August issue of Hungarian Metal Hammer, please check the original) Axl said that 'Izzy didn't write more than 1 song in his whole life... Now he came with 8 songs (for the UYIs)...' etc.

Reason why Slash and Duff are bitchin iz cause there wifes tell them too. Thats the fuckin truth, there pussy wiped little bitches. If they'd just look at them selfs in the mirror and come to terms with themselfs, they fucked up, instead of paying for legal advice, back when they were still in GNR,  they were dumping there money into drugs and alcohol etc... Shit, listen to them talk, there brains are half fried. There's nothing like a stumbling rehaber 14 years later to come and fuck things up for Merck and the new GNR. Axl has these guys spinning there wheels and spending there money on attorney fees.   

Well fuckin Said. Back in 91-93 they didn't care about gnr business at all. Their main concern were their own needs and pleasure. Drugs alcohol... They Fuckin left Axl to Deal with all the business. Now they come 10 Years later and complain. No they have wifes and children and they care for the fuckin Money. Oh Well I expect to fuckin loose the case...? Double Talkin Jives.....

 ???

How lucky they were that Axl came, blackmailed and made them sign a contract to control GN'R's name. Without this, they would have been lost.

It was their Fuckin Fault that they signed the name to Axl. That they signed the name means that they didn't care too much about the Fuckin Name. They were 3 People against 1 and they let Axl do what he wanted. They are too damn stupid. On the other Hand Axl probably saw that they didn't care so much about Gnr ant they mainly cared about drugs and booze and that made him Afraid. What if these guys Die tommorow? I will lose the Fuckin GNR Name that i had created. SO i will ask them to sign me the name
and let them waste their lives if they want....Axl Had a vison to move Forward create music and live. Slash & Duff didn't care if they die tommorow.

 

From what I've heard and read, one of the primary reasons Axl "did it" was he was afraid of what would happen should the band break up.  He wanted to ensure that what he worked so hard for was not ruined by people he felt he could no longer trust, mostly due to sobriety issues.  He also wanted to avoid a prolonged court battle over just who controlled the name should the band break up (and, by that point, he figured it was just a matter of time).  Given music history, it wasn't a bad idea.  Now, certainly, the manner in which he did it might be questioned (the blackmail you reference above)...though again, there are various versions of the story out there....but his reasoning, at least, wasn't all that out of line.

It's as ridiculous as the whole. It's fantastic that you can make an ideology of why it was right that Axl mucked the others up.

They Mucked themselves For not being responsible For their actions.

Cmon dude. If Slash and company had any brains at all they wouldnt have signed that deal. They keep saying they did it just to keep things going. Why not just walk out on Axl right then and there and say Fuck you. Axl would have been completely to blame for breaking up the old band. Plus I highly doubt Axl would have never played with them again if they didnt sign it. After a few days he would have came back to his senses and realized its too big of a band to just let go.

And as the guy in BTM said....Axl did it so that if in CASE ?the old gnr band broke up 1 day, Axl wanted to make sure he was the one who ultimately decided whats to come next...if anything...

Instead they chose to sign it and are not living with the consequences.

excellent post

see now thats a comment! if they really cared about gn'r and not their own and theyr wifes egos they would have trusted axl and gn'r would still be intact!

Axl just saw ahead of time and dealt with it, so did Izzy i believe... duff and slash never did anything but ride the wave, and now the wave is comming down... axl jumped off while the wave was at it's highest and now he's lurking the water waiting for the next big one! ;D

I let my kids listen to Duff and Slash talk,  using them as an example of thats your brain after drugs and alcohol. My thirteen year old says, how could Axl stand them there stupid, there just now figuring out whats happened? I said no, there wifes knew but at the time they were so high, drug and alcoho were more important. But dad, there sick don't they know what they did, they'll never be well again. That's a great example of what drugs do to people.   

Nice Post ;) ;)

Slash and Duff are more succesful than many people ever will be. You could have used some better examples for your son. Duff is supposedly a genius, and has business plans after VR is over. Slash is more laid back, but a lead guitar player that made millions playing in 2 different bands. These guys were not drug free, but the way they rebuilt a new band after retiring from GNR is brilliant. They both made probably close to $10M in the past year, and helped write some good songs.

A genius?

Who's he supposedly a genius to?

Well i guess not you, but to normal people he can be considered genius. Successful anyways.

Duff by far my friend is no genius.  A genius is someone that's extremely smart. Smart enough to not be out smarted, that means Axl would be considered beyond genius. Wow. By the way, money has nothing to do with being a genius or successful. 

If Duff is such a smart guy I wonder why he drank so much to make his pancreas burst.  Common sense would tell me that this is not a good thing.

lol....you're corect sir. I don't know how the hell Axl did that? How could this 4 morons in GNR give Axl the right to GNR?....it's like giving someone your bank account.....yeah man, take all my money, who gives a shit! 10 years lader....Oh fuck! what did we do?   :rofl:

Its safe to say you really have no idea what youre talking about...

A lot of stupidity in this thread... ::)

would you care to point out to whom you are speaking?

I think younggunner's point is as valid as Slash/Duff 's explanation. Axl hasn't been too forthcoming about the issue, but I can at least see where he was coming from. The band was being destroyed by its rampant drug use. Axl's ego may have been unchecked but he at least was the one who saw the writing on the wall.

I guess Slash and Duff could sue Axl back then - or blackmailing someone is legal in USA?
I really don't think all this thing happened like that. There's something more than what Slash and Duff said.

I was about to write a long post, but I figured your post summed it all up pretty nicely, so thanks man! : ok:

It's safe to say you have nothing to add to this conversation, which is pretty much the norm for your posts. 

It's easy looking for posts to poke holes in but never adding anything of substance.

How about creating an original idea or thought of your own so we can sit back and throw in little cute comments like "its safe to say you have no idea what you're talking about" How fucking clever you've only said this in 99% of your posts.  Oh don't forget to throw the final insult of ........ ??? ::)

Please do us all a favor and stay in the VR section.

Well, Merck says, Slash n Duffer won't delay CD. Ya think will hear something in the next 24 hours? 

Maybe not the next 24 hours but maybe within the next 48 hours?? Remember the story from way-back-when that Axl threw himself this big fancy party and when all the guests arrived some guy announced that Axl wasn't coming but that they should all have a great time because he was giving them this party as his gift to them for his birthday.? So maybe Axl will tell us the CD release date as his gift to us for his birthday!!!? ;D

Hopefully you don't let your kids read your notes. I really think they would enjoy the "there wifes" part. :)

Both kids watched Slash play accustic at his house and played on his pin ball machine ran through his house. They've seen alot and know better than SOME people. Thirteen going on 14 now, he laughs at some of the posts and loves GNR, I guess you could say its in there blood. 

acoustic   

Axl saw the writing on the wall concerning his former bandmates for a long time before the band destroyed itself.  Think back to his announcement at the first Rolling Stone show.  He knew then that the band was falling apart slowly.

If you go back and check out the things that were said about Axl back then, he had his vices in check.  Even Slash has said that he has never known Axl to be addicted to anything except cigarettes (which I understand he has since given up as well). 

Axl did what he did to keep some sort of unity to the band, maybe he didn't always do the right thing, but, if he had left things in the hands of Slash or Duff, the whole thing would have crashed and burned probably a lot sooner than it did, because those two were way out of control with their substance abuse.

If Axl didn't do something about it, he would have enabled the other members to continue their destructive behavior, and that behavior would have ultimately been damaging to Axl's own career too.  At some point, you have to protect your own interests.

PS:  It doesn't take the mind of a genius to destroy yourself with drugs and alcohol.  If Duff was really a "genius" he would have figured this out BEFORE his pancreas exploded.   It's just my opinion, of course, that it's not really very brilliant to let yourself get so far out of control that your body parts are exploding.   :nervous:

I dont know. The Lies era was getting really embarrasing for the band because of Axls lyrics getting negative attention. The "wife beating has been around the past 10000 years" on the Lies early covers (i wonder whose idea that was?) degrading bandmembers on stage, showing up hours late for every show. The somewhat cheesy Patience ballad, which noone in the band liked.

 The band objected to all this but Axl didnt listen...except to change the Lies album cover. All these things hurt the band alot more than Slash and Duff's drinking problem IMO. They still showed up on time.  To say Axl is the only one that kept the band together is pretty untrue. You should give the entourage of roadies, and the allure of cash credit for that.

Just a question about the post here. Have any of you people thought to yourselves that when Merck says "Slash and Duff won't delay CD" that it could mean that it ain't coming out that soon anyways and they can have court appearances and everything and get it all straightened out before CD is acually ready for release in the first place? I know in my heart that this will be the year that CD will come out, and it's just a question I've thought to myself about. It's one of those sayings that you can think about either way. Like it's coming out before any of this law suit crap takes place, or it'll be a while before it comes out anyways so therefore the law suit won't be interfering.

Ive got a lot of posts here.? Youve certainly had many opportunities to make cute comments such as "its safe to say you have no idea what you're talking about"....Theres a reason you havent.? : ok: (I know that sets you up for a cute comment of your own, but I think you know what I mean? ;)).? As for that comprising 99% of my posts?


Now if you want me to explain why thatt poster had no idea what he was talking about, Ill do so...


He did it by essentially threatening to end the band.? Now they could either take that risk, or cooperate the best they could to continue the band.? Seems fairly obvious...



No, its not like that at all.? This is where the "no idea what youre talking about" part comes in, because to our knowledge, Axl simply secured the rights to the name for himself.? They didnt sign away publishing rights or royalties, so its not like "take all my money."? They signed rights to the name, a name they didnt intend on using if the band broke up anyway.? So ten years later, they might be disappointed that they left the name vulnerable for tarnishing, but its not like giving somebody your bank account at all.  Its not what the lawsuits about, either.

Get it now?



Most of the posts that preceded mine, partcularly the ones pertaining to how "stupid" Slash and Duff are.

Which was written by the non-cheesy quiet rhythm guitarist at the time.

My guess is that at least Axl and Izzy liked it since one sings on it and the other wrote it. Duff and Slash might have hated it.

The public seemed to like it since it peaked at #10 on the UK singles chart and it was performed at most GN'R shows on the following tours.




/jarmo

I tell you what, Apparently Merck didn't say "Slash and Duff won't delay CD". 
He said "It is business as normal."
The topic title is misleading. Bloody hell.