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I don't know if it's the same situation in America, maybe not, but here in Europe people are hungry to see GN'R concerts and listen to GN'R music Live. The greatest Hits has sold very well here. I can garantee you that GN'R can sell out arenas here and even sell out a couple of stadiums there and then (Wembley Stadium is possible). I heard it's nearly the same situation in South America, remember the RIR 2001, the immense majority of the 200.000 people were there for GN'R. However, in America, I don't know.
GN'R should tour in Europe and South America, this is where people are really hungry to see them.

hmm I agree, nu-metal killed a lot of GNR fans in the US.

blabbermouth.net is full of americans and the only gnr fans  over there are either from south america or europe, the rest are just haters and bashers.

 :rant:

I think your absolutly correct.. I dont know how well he would do in american right now but it seems to me that the South American fans and European Fans would be more open and receptive to a Guns n Roses concert..

They have always been bigger rock fans anyways... In america most people listen to shit... look at how well Ashlee Simpson can do and how much radio play she gets.. and she sucks..

think you right, the fake european tour was sold out many places without promo-
-and the 02 european and asia tour was a succes : ok:

I from Holland and I know for sure that they would sell out here. GNR is very trendy again....peeps on the street wearing GNR wear as if it was 1989...no that's overreacting, but there is definitely a huge appetite for some real rock n roll.... teh old style rock n roll is becoming trendy again, so I guess GNR would do very well.....

I agree with you 100% Nesquick they would definetely sell out in England and I imagine the rest of europe would be the same! However Wembley Stadium would not be a possibility cos its not even half-way rebuilt yet!!!!

Hey, that was my line back in 2002...  ;D

GREECE LOVES GN'R... watch the London Docklands dvd...  ;)

Norway is also hungry on some real Guns meat!

Was that you Axl pointed out between songs and said something like they would like to go to greece or something like that???

did you have a big sign?? Thats pretty bad ass if that was you..

No grunge killed the popularity of GnR.... for some fuckin reason

Yeah it was me...

I still have that sign... The only one in Docklands. ?;)

i fucking love the docklands audio, axl is really rippin on vocals on that :headbanger:
really cool when he says serpentine on the last part of the song...

have the video soon, i'll check when axl says and point, which song?

:love: one day
           they will come.
I believe.

Unlikely they'll be playing in England though. The majority of promoters aren't willing to take on Axl until he has proved that he can do a tour without a cancellation or a riot. And certain promoters are still bearing a grudge after the Carling Festival incident in 2002.

doesn't germany have some great summer-festivals that gnr may attend, or is it only that metal-thing?

They've got the Rock-Am Ring thing, and if Linkin Park can play it, I'm sure Guns can. :hihi:

Maybe those people should go see a VR show and see all the GN'R shirts in the audience....  :hihi:

Now that I think about it, I didn't even see one STP shirt, but I did see plenty of GN'R shirts.


Sure, some of the people wearing those shirts were Duff/Slash fans and might not go see GN'R, but there's some Axl fans who didn't go see VR. So it evens out. ;)


/jarmo

Velvet Revolver are probably gonna play Rock Am Ring, so I dunno about Axl  :P

Not really, it isn't open yet.

well, maybe next year in 2006. It would be great to see the new-Gn'R play at Wembleyy Stadium (version 2.0) in front of 90.000 people, and then to release that show in DVD. :peace:

imagine what would happen after S.Luis if that was true....
I doubt it, if Axl releases a fuckin' good album noone will remember the 2002 thing.

Yeah! And IF there is a announcement in the next few weeks, i damn hope its a Europe Tour, i guess most American bands tour Europe in the Summer because of the festivals...

Anywhere GN'R goes they will sell out the arena.  Only if CD is released and promoted properly.  Even without an album most venue's in the U.S were almost completely sold out.  Bring back GN'R, and come to KENTUCKY this time!

yeah i think that overseas tours will do very will when the album is released..

i'd even go out to europe and see them, that would be awesome with their crazy crowds.   i think they should do a short tour there first then come to the US and then go back to europe, south america, etc...

If they tour this summer I don't think that they will play at Rock am Ring because Velvet Revolver play there!

I heard that GnR were rumored to play at the download festival.... 

I can think of nothing better than having VR play on one nite and GnR play the second nite... both bands would be on their best and I think the music would fucking kick ass..

imagine scott saying something to the crowd  and the next nite the red head has a response.. That could happen at a festival like they have in europe...

oh well ill keep dreaming coz i know the red head would never put it all on the table like that.... 

Sure, that would be great but I can't imagine Axl playing the same festival Velvet Revolver plays! I hope I'm wrong because in 2001 I was at Rock am Ring but GN'R wasn't there  :'(  and if they both would play there this year I would be the happiest GN'R N' Revolver Fan on earth!  : ok:  :beer:

I doubt Guns will be at Download, Feeder are headlining Friday, Iron Maiden are hoping to headline Saturday, and Black Sabbath are headlining on the Sunday, and I don't think Axl will want to play second fiddle.

Corrected. ;D

Well, I think they can't avoid every festival just because they hate one each other. Someone will have to withdraw or both play.

I'm sure European GN'R fans are hungry to see Guns, but to suggest that they're more so than American fans (as some of you did) is down right nuts. ?We have 300 million people in America, and don't forget Guns N' Roses is an AMERICAN band. ?If Guns N' Roses is gonna make a big smack in today's music industry, the ultimate fight is going to be here in the states. ?Where did the Beatles and the Stones come to to really blow up and gain world recognition? ?It was America. ?The combined populations of France, Italy, Germany and England are just about on par with the population of the US. ?Of the metnioned European countries, only one of those countries speak English as their native tounge. ?Granted many Europeans speak English as a 2nd language, but when more than half of a population doesn't speak English, I find it hard for them to be hungrier than Americans for a band they don't understand. ?Again, I'm not saying that Europeans are lesser GN'R fans or any less hungry for Axl to get out and tour, but there aren't nearly the amount of venues in Europe as there are in the states and again, the battle for Chinese Democracy's reign is going to be primarily fought at home.


-- Guns N RockMusic

I really doubt if that's a problem.
Indeed the fight will be mainly in America just because the music industry is far different than Europe's. Pop Idols rule out there (no offence). The bad point is that whatever new stuff comes from America (good or bad) spreads like a fuckin' disease in Europe too later.

  You make some good points. I've always wondered about that, I mean I know that GnR's music alone would be enough for me to listen to them, even if I didn't know the language, but that would be a very rare thing. I can't imagine listening to music all the time, that I couldn't understand what they were saying. But GnR kicks ass no matter what language you speak, so it's all good. : ok:

No, it does present a problem.? If you don't speak English, then when you listen to Guns N' Roses you are essentially taking away any contribtution Axl makes to the band.? In my humble opinion, a true GN'R fan is attracted to the music because of the depth or emotion; not just the music itself, but the lyrics.? As a native English speaker, it is hard sometimes to understand what words Axl is actually saying (thus the problem of people jointly compiling lyrics from songs from the 2002 tour).? Once you know what words Axl is saying, you have to put them into context to get the message he is trying to deliver.? Someone who likes GN'R just because they sound cool is no different than the American (or European) idiots who enjoy the latest Pop craze to hit the market.? So while I'm not saying that a non-english speaker can't enjoy GN'R, that listener is no different than someone who loves Britney Spears because all they want is an image.? I would assume that most of you on this board would agree that people who listen to music for image (be it GN'R or Pop) are not the same caliber of fans as all of us are.? Again, this is just my opinion, but? I find it hard to swallow that Europeans as a whole are hungrier for a new GN'R album, if we define that hunger as an actual desire for emotionally deep and meaningful music.? :peace:

Apparently Maiden are playing in Italy and Switzerland on the the Download dates.  The only confrimed act so far is System Of A Down, everything else is rumours...

it sounds like you're saying the lyrics mean everything , so we take away the lyrics and the music is comparable to britney spears? ?? :hihi: wtf ?? and I actually thought the music was worth something. Guess I was wrong. *back to my christina aguilera cds*

MY mother tongue is french, then Spanish, then English. I have no trouble understanding the lyrics thank you.


in the words of the great Andrew Wood

"lets fall in love with music
the driving force in our living
the only international language"
 

The language thing could affect those who don't really check the lyrics. They are a lot unfortunately.
I guess it's true that Axl is not easy to comprehend, but I think the e-motion you get from the music is enough sometimes. And not all the Europeans have the same understanding in English language.

yeh thats tru. over here in UK a lot more local bands are doing the type of rock'n roll thing that GN'R set. especially my band. man i h8 grunge and nu-metal.

Fucking correct!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They could sell out 15.000-25.000 arenas in every major city in Germany. :peace:

that's fuckin' right!  :hihi: :beer:

Then I ask you, have you ever been to an American concert?  Probably not.  To make such a bold statement that Europeans are 'crazier' at concerts is such a subjective and foolish thing to say, I don't even know how to respond to it.  Exactly what great bands were you talking about that record their DVDs in Europe?  Metallica recorded their S&M cd in San Francisco, Guns N' Roses recorded their concert in Japan, Kiss recorded their DVD in Austrailia.  People don't watch DVDs to see the audience, in fact very little of the audience is ever shown and when it is, it's the audience as a whole or some really hot girl or crazy fan.  Americans invented Rock N' Roll and some great European bands really fuckin took it to a whole new level.  I have nothing against Europe and I've been there and really love Germany.  But if you want to talk about real fuckin' rock concerts, I suggest you go to a Woodstock the next time (if there ever is one again) you can.  All of the world's greatest bands either come from America or go to America to become huge.  I don't need to justify my points any more than citing that.  For you to claim that Europeans somehow are harder rock fands than Americans would be like me saying American Ramstein fans are more devout then German fans.  Obviously everyone on this board speaks fluent English, but the majority of the people at these "badass" European concerts don't.  When it comes to actual awesome partying and Rock N' Roll, no one comes close to America  : ok:

Well, the headline and main support acts are announced this Wednesday (Feb 2), so we will find out for certain then. : ok:
 
But trust me, Black Sabbath ARE headlining on the Sunday. :hihi:

And if Guns were going to play on the Saturday, I think we would have heard some rumblings within the camp by now. :peace:

Not that true at all ... I began listening to GNR when I was 15 and my english was .... pretty bad ... well I was doing good in class but 15 years old french girls speak bad english believe me... and I became a gnr fan in a second. Most of my friends who still are gnr fans today don't speak english ... they know the lyrics and look up the words in a dictionnary, that's all. If your theory was exact what to say about Brazil, and the crowd at RIR III ? And I listen to Rammstein and i don't understand german either.  ;D

I've been to both ... small venues and arenas in America and done it all in Europe. If the European crowd is crazier it's mainly because of the security ... here they are more lenient than in the states ... Pogo Pogo Pogo !

yes because lame bands such as led zep, black sabbath, the stones, the beatles, ac/ dc are all from the US.
 :hihi:
and? Korn, Limp Bizcuit, Linkin Park and countless other Great bands come from Europe.
 :rofl:

A friend of mine went to the latest woodstock and he told me the whole thing blows. W94 must've been great though.

I knew this thread would make SOME americans go ANAL.

Slash says London crowds are the best. :hihi:

I've got to agree. :beer:

only losers whine about their best, just a quote I remember about rock

South American crowds are pretty hysterical also I think  :)

people calm down. we`re all hungry to see gnr and it doesn`t matter where they play, i hope that they will play SOMEWHERE this year. but i`m from germany and I never saw gnr live so i hope they come to europe this summer and play a couple gigs in germany, too.

and i think also that european and south american crowds are crazier than american crowds ::)

If you don't stop this "contest" this thread will get locked.

in response to the main point of the thread, i think GNR would do better in europe at the moment, it's not about which country or continent has the better tradition of rock, it's the fact that GNR's name has not been driven through the mud as much over here. it's almost like a rite of passage for teens into rock to buy AFD, even if they don't like the genre as a whole, if you like a guitar, you get that album.

for instance, adler's appetite sell out 600/700 capacity clubs across mainland europe, then play to 50 people in the USA.

obviously america has a bigger audience and therefore bigger potential, but the way things stand atm, GNR are more popular abroad. consider the leeds fest, they headlined it and pulled in something like 60/70k people, and they were the toast of the press for all of a week! :)