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damn what a good guitarist,   : ok:

seems he is influenced by the oldschool way and still puttin his own personl touch to it,
sounds sometimes a lil' bluesy and sometimes really riffing, descent style  8)

what do you think of it, the playin and how good it merges (live so far) with gunsnroses?
me like :beer:

Man im not sure bout his playing but Fuck he can rock out on stage  : ok:



 :peace:

i love the little bit of extra lead he does on Think About You. Sounds mad : ok:
And yes he kicks arse on stage!!

Please,

What are u basing this on? A handful of live shows when he played parts written by other people?

Is that really enough to make a judgement on?

Some of u are so obsessed with the band if Celion Dion was put on guitar you'd be claiming she was the best thing ever - why don't u wait untill u've actually heard what he can do?

it says so far in the orignal text, whats your problem?

+ there's other stuff he done b4 gnr  ;)

yup, we can say if we like with heard so far and can't wait\ are exited to hear his contributions to cd  : ok:

I already said it lots of times: Richard Fortus is the best new guitarist of Guns N' Roses. He perfectly fits in GN'R. I love his sound (good old school Rock sound), his playing, his attitude, his stage presence and his style. I would have loved to see him play with Slash in the old band. Imagine:
Slash: lead guitar
Fortus: rythm guitar
Wow...what a duet? :o

Now THAT would definitly create a huge buzz. They'd get free publicity like no one has ever had.   :hihi:

Fortus is cool... Izzy was cooler....

yeah, sometimes his playin reminds a ll' about slash...
just hope the have pushed him forward and taken lots out of him and put it in on the upcomingd cd's  :drool:

About Fortus, He has this classic Rock n' Roll vibe, and that's also why he is so appreciated.

can't beat the original  :P
richard do really has a classical rockvibe... new blood and i really like the rocketqueen solo his does,

..among many others, the guitar has thickness (hard to say in english\ depth?) a great sound and he plays it really well, good karma 4 him  : ok:
sad to hear that his recordins was done fast, maybe works that way-

- but i hope the status still not same after that interview  :beer:

I think you said it very well... deep tone yes
other words also good:  heavy  : ok:

Fortus rocks!
and yeah he puts on a great stage performance
and YES! looking forward to hearing him on the album and seeing him live again  :D

I too love his sound on "Think about you" 

That is one of the most under rated songs.. The new band kills that fucking song... It sounds alot better than the original ..

"Fortus is cool... Izzy was cooler...."

watch (and listen) to old gnr (86 - 91).....compare new gnr

never a truer statement on this board

Richard kicks ass..I think hes the next Ron Wood..Just his style

Come on Izzy is Izzy, he was extremely important and never forget he wrote "think about you". It's him? ;)
Lots of you underrate Izzy, mainly because he didn't have the same explosive mediatic coverage that Axl and Slash had...but does it hurt his talent? certainely not. Izzy was the guy who worked in shadow. Never forget that.
Now to come back to Mr Fortus, I think he can become a very mediatic player of his own if he is able to write great rythmic stuff on "Chinese Democracy". This is the point everybody is standing for about him. Is he able to write killer rythm guitar riff like izzy? We will see it on the album. 8)

Here is his guitar solo: http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/fortusthinkabout.wmv
He's got the right attitude? :peace:

Like his stunning contributions to Nsync!

and other stuff  :beer:
that clip was pretty cool...

ok, so what? didn't slash play for Blackstreet in the mid 90's, wich was also a "boys band"? does it hurt his talent and his  reputation? I don't think so. People are free to do what they want.

Slash's legacy was already cemented when he played for that group you mention, it's not the same thing.

I was just wondering about how much of fortus' material norway was rocking to before he joined GNR, since it's all so good.

And yeah, people are free to do what they want. (like robin and dressing goth; I know how much you love that : ok:)

No, it wasnt.

yeah but Izzy was to cool to move sometimes.

Too cool or too stoned?  :peace:

hadn't heard any b4 gnr, whats your point? now i have, pretty good : ok:

He's more profesional than izzy maybe, like doin work 4 work, and not that everything must look so good?
he plays good anyway, and i kinda like the sound pretty much, all the guitarplayers was so different,

richard now's my favorite after buckethead left,
btw, got three bh-cd's now and only noticed him after seein him in gnr,? ;) still i will not buy vgh? :P

he got a pretty cool, rocky, lea style too 8)
  fuckin awesome : ok:

Backstreet is not Backstreet Boys. And the difference between Slash's guest appearances and Fortus's session works has been discussed before.

dude is this richard (i know he doesn't do the main solo) in madagascar? japan i think
http://s13.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=061T0BLK04ZM22A4U8JTG1DDX2

it's beauteful, when the hard parts starts after axl's 2 verses and the end b4 axl sings again
and then right b4 the buckethead solo begins...

i like it so much, great tone (some fucks) and sound, i really like this guitarwork? : ok:

yep izzy will never play with axl again. richard can rock

 : ok: My thoughts exactly,

Its just hilarious the attitudes u find on this board, it was the same with Buckethead, 'we love Buckethead' - Buckethead leaves 'yeah, well he was never as good as Slash anyway' :hihi:

I dare say Fortus is fantastic but judging this from Guns N' Roses covers is laughable - i have a mate that who can play the shite out of sweet child o'mine on guitar and ''rock out'' on stage - is he good enough for Guns N' Roses?

Not sure about u, lot but i judge a good guitarist from material he personally wrote - not stuff he covers. Claiming he's good enough for the band because he's got 'the look' and moves on stage is aburd - if Axl dressed in Hawian shirts and never moved on stage would he no longer be good enough for GNR???

not at all,
we like what we heard and seen so far and looking forward 2 his contributions on cd, mostly because of that? : ok:
and his parts on madagascar is fuckin awesome, dig?

The best version of Madagascar Fortus ever did was during the VMA'02: he was the highlight of the band (besides Axl of course) that night.

i fucking love that performance,? :D and yeah, with they exeption of axl i agree (brain did good too, they all did)
on the last part of paradise was cool to, like the double solo-stuff? 8)

Whatever

There are hundreds of musicians out there that can play GNR songs and improvise a bit on them, doesn't mean there good guitarists or will be a hit for GNR - by your criteria any vaguely competant guitarist who moves on stage would fit into GNR. When he manages a bit part role on the album and is then fired ur going to look quite a fool, why not wait till he's done something first?

no, you must imagine things, where'd you get this from?

if you don't like richard then stay out of the thread!!!
 then the rest can have an opinion even if they only seen one show, and if they like it this far, have fav.solos, sections, like his style etc...? :peace:
is it richard you hear so high in that link above, i really like listening to that guitar? :headbanger:

yes it's him. it's his sound. I love his guitar tone. He sounds KILLER on the "I think about you" guitar solo.

U claim Fortus is a gift from God because he can play GNR songs well (which any competant guitarists could do - especially a professional guitarist) and because he moves on stage - any physically fit human being can perform that role



U twit,

There is not enough material to like or dislike him, thats the point ::) U love him because of one solo - ffs, i challenge even the most average guitarist not to be able to pull of one good solo - GNR material is not that difficult to learn, Fortus is after all a professional - the guy from Nickelback could do GNR solos :hihi:



If one show is all u need to clain he's a brilliant guitarist then so be it, when u feel like making informed decisions about music please fell free to join the rest of us.

What the fuck is this?  Songwriting and guitar playing are totally different things.  It's a bit stupid to base one on the other:  Izzy's a much better songwriter than Slash, but Slash is a better player.  You sayin' Slash is shit cos he can't write songs without help?

Let's take another example.  Cobain's a great songwriter, but his guitar playing isn't technically very difficult.  Jeff Beck is the world's greatest living guitarist, but he needs other people to write for him and provide tracks which he can play over.  Playing guitar and writing songs are totally different, and its absolute crap to judge one by the other. 

Izzy doesn't like Fortus. Don't discuss with him (on that point) you'll loose your time. You will never convince him. So let him talk..

It's a shame he's offline - I feel like an argument.

My informed decision about music says that Music is for everyone.  :smoking:

Being yet to have an opinion of Richard?s guitar sounds I?d rather not be a dick who spoils the fun of fellow fans with quick ears.

where do you get all this? making up things for losing the discussion? :no:
which i did? ::)
i sure join you in an izzy-thread, but will not try ruin the thread as you try with this? :)

he's good now, it could suck in studio is that your point?
you think richard is a plague from god since he's not izzy imo, :yes: but please contribute to the discussion when you have some facts to go along with it? : ok:

richard seems like a brilliant guiarist (4 his genre) and i think\hope izzy (the poster) will look quite a fool when the albums released,? :D hope he gets lost of slot on the music? :peace:
i think he fuckin rocks, :headbanger: he got a great guitar tone, plays well live and rock the shit imo? :beer:
my fav of all the guitarplayers left? ;)

   I just got done watching MSG '02 again.  Fortus and Stinson have incredible stage presence.  I'm probably like the majority of average people out there.  I don't play music and I don't understand "technical" music talk.  I look at Buckethead's fingers moving at Mach-10 during the end of Night Train, I see Stinson and Fortus having fun rockin' out, and I'm impressed.  It all sounds good to me.  I guess Robin shows his "fun" in a different way, he doesn't look to be having as much fun...oh yeah, and the Buckethead disaster.  That story posted here at HTGTH awhile back from Ozzy Osbourne was priceless regarding B-Head.
   Fortus, Tommy, and Brian look cool...and from the new stuff played, are excellent musicians.  Finck just needs a wardrobe adjustment.  Axl needs to lose 20 pounds.  (oh no, I hope Axl didn't read that, we won't see CD for another 10 years!)  This is not meant as disrespect.  If Axl was a friend of mine, I'd tell him the same thing.  Tell him to hang with Richard a bit more and get closer to that look. 
 :peace: 

and like Norway, Fortus is my fave of the current guitarists.

? :hihi:
skip the white toxido,? :nervous:

yeah, seems? like good rockers\entertainers and musicians 4 gnr? : ok:
 god these bootlegs really makes me lookin forward to hear the work done on the upcoming music or old material rerecorded :headbanger:

here's some fortus clips from newgnr? :D

http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/fortusthinkabout.wmv

http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/fortusrocketq.wmv

http://www.newgnr.com/dloads/shortclips/fortustheblues.wmv

d'ya all like it? i'm diggin it? :peace:




btw\
axl looked kinda slim at the hardrock gigs, what do you think? a leatherjacket be cool along w\ the jerseys? :smoking:
agree he looked less in shape in rio, good-shape axl is best  ;)

(http://tinypic.com/1hpj60)

Norway,
  That's a great picture of Axl when he's in shape.  The guy is freakin' ripped.  All he has to do is cut down on the extra insulation surrounding that muscle.  Nothing would shut the critics up faster than Axl comin' out in great shape.  I think he could have a lot of fun with that.  Ya know, show up at an interview pretending to be huge in a fat suit...hear some jokes, then go back-stage, come back out without the fat suit ready to kick some ass...that would be cool.
   Sorry about getting us off-topic here, this was originally about Fortus.  Like I said, he's got a very cool look AND attitude on and off-stage. (from the pics I've seen)  Plus, I've liked all his playing in the boots I've seen and heard.
   Also, please don't think I'm an Axl-basher because of the weight thing.  Whether he's 300 pounds or 120 pounds, I'm gonna support him all the way.  I'm just thinking we have better odds of hearing more music come out of this band if we have broad-based, oops, I meant "broad"-based support (that means the ladies have to dig him too ;) )
 
   

think fortus gets really popular when the albums released? :beer:

He already is :smoking:
I made some friends watch some new gn'r videos, they really didn't like buckethead. They though Finck was ok but nothing special. However they really liked Fortus.

nice, and yeah he does reminds a bit of izzy? :yes:
what guitars did he use one the tour? did he use that bantubi? (hope i spell that right)

never heard of such a guitar, but they says it's good : ok: ...

Here is a 5 minutes Video medley of Richard, including lots of solos/stage performances (think about you, roquet queen, nightrain, out ta gt me, you could be mine, november rain and the blues). However, due to the different soundboards, the sound isn't equal on the entire Video. So sometimes you'll have to put the sound louder for certain solos.
Enjoy http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=13HYNQD64WLPE3V0RP4DMH1QCG

thank you for posting and whoever did this montage because its freakin awesome... Richard is really good!!

I did 8)
Do you understand now why I say a 3rd guitar player isn't necessary? Richard is the right guy. Just give him more lead parts to play, I want to see his full potencial, and I think I'm not the only one. Plus, his own demos on his website are promizing. With 3 guitar players, you never know who play what, it doesn't valorize the band. There are too much people. With a guitar duet, you know who play what, when the first one does the lead, you know the second one does the rythm and vice versa. It's clear. And with 2 keyboards, there are way enough people and instruments to create a huge sound.
Most of successfull rock bands have just one or two guitar players. Sometimes they even don't have keyboards: The Red Hot Chilli peppers, U2, Muse, Radiohead, Coldplay, Oasis, The White Stripes, The Strokes, Green Day etc... you know who play what. It's clear. It valorizes them.

U2 has keyboards on a ton of songs-so does Radiohead. U2's keyboard player is playing actually off stage. They hide him. ::)

I didn't say they don't have keyboards. I just say none of them have 3 guitar players (most have 1, but GN'R need 2) and sometimes they don't even have keyboards. 2 guitars + 2 keyboards are way enough for a rock band like GN'R. It was embarassing to see Buckethead having a sleep on "the blues" while Richard and Robin were doing the lead and rythm parts. BH was waiting for the next song to play.

radiohead has three for a large part of their songs-Ed O'Brien, Johnny Greenwood and Thom Yorke. Yorke switches between piano, organ, and guitar throughout their shows.

I went to see Radiohead 2 years ago, there was just one guitar player onstage (and a fucking good one!). Tom Yorke? just played guitar on "there there", alone onstage, with an accoustic one at the end of the show. For All the rest, there was just one guitar player. They were 4 onstage, so there is no way they have 3 guitar players.? U2, the biggest Rock band in the world right know, just have The Edge. One guitar player.

I was really excited when Richard Fortus joined the band. I love his style, he has this cool old school style, even Axl said he has an Izzy feel to him.

So what? Are U2 Guns N' Roses? No.

Why does every thread about one of the guitar players have to turn into a thread about how many guitar players there should be?

Nesquick, I am a HUGE Radiohead fan. You don't know what you are talking about. There are 5 people in the band-trust me. 3 guys play guitar on a lot of songs. Sometimes Yorke is acoustic and O'Brien and Greenwood are electric. They mix it up all the time.1-2-3 GUITARS CAN BE USED DEPENDING ON THE SONG! For God's sake, at least have an idea of what  you are discussing. :rant: Gnr doesn't need three guitars on every song but some of the songs are definitely better with a three guitar attack-JUST LIKE RADIOHEAD! ps I would be sleeping during the Blues as well.

Well I saw the radiohead Concert with my eyes 2 years ago, I saw the band very well, there was:
- a bass player - left side onstage
- a guitar player - mid/left side
- tom yorke - center
- drums - behind
- a keyboardist - right side.

Their stage was pretty small although the Arena was big (Bercy- 17.000 people).
Tell me how a guy can play keyboard and guitar at the same time, or bass and electric guitar at the same time. York played piano on one song and accoustic guitar on another one. For the rest of the show, he just had his microphone, like Axl. Maybe they can play with 3 guitarists for certain shows, but for the one I went to, there was always one guitar (or 2 for "creep"). The show was very experimental, but it was exellent.

The keyboardist is Johnny Greenwood and he is THE LEAD GUITAR PLAYER! He actually does play guitar and keyboards on the same song-Paranoid Android. He is quite talented. Drop it already. I've seen them 4 times. You only have a slight idea about what you are discussing. You saw them on the Hail to the Thief tour and it was a little more experimental.

Highly recommended checking out Richard's catalog pre-GNR. The man is/was a top session guitarist. Loved his work with "Love Spit Love", "Psych Furs", "BT" (Ever hear the soundtrack to "Monster"?), "Angela McClusky", "Jessie Malin", "Ryan Adams", Honkey Toast", "Ben Folds", to name a few of the artists he has played with/worked with in the past. It is my belief after the new Guns record drops, tour, interviews, Etc...Richard will be regarded by the mainstream as one of the better guitarists of our generation. He is already regarded as an ace guitarist by those in the industry (peers, producers, talented artists). Happens to be a sincerely cool guy as well. I was fortunate to have met him over the summer w/my friend "Jaz" (some of you may know Jaz from www.thenewguns.com) at CB's when he performed w/"Pisser". Only met him once, but he seemed like a class act to me. 

I also think so. He already is popular among the GN'R fans, wich is a good sign. Back in 2001, I didn't "feel" the new GN'R. Finck-Buckethead-Tobias, although they are all very good players, I didn't "feel" them, not for GN'R. Something more "Rock n' Roll" in the vain of the old band, with the right vibe, the right sound, the right feeling, was missing on guitars. I think axl felt it too. Remember he called Izzy before RIR 3 happened, it seems Axl felt something was missing. When Fortus arrived in 2002, I hadn't a clue who he was (like all of us), then I watched some shows and I said "that guy rocks - he will be very popular".
Everytime I put a link to what Richard does, either with GN'R or with his own solo career, I have positive feedbacks.
Slash is appart, the man is exeptional, but behind slash, i don't know lots of guitar players as good as Richard in that typical Rock/ Classic-Rock style as we speak right now. Dave Navaroo, The Edge (U2) maybe 1 or 2 other ones... Fortus has all his chance. he is as good, if not better, than Navaroo or The Edge for me.

Yeah, your 100% right. BTW, the 3-guitars line up is awesome on Radiohead. :rockon:

William, I highly recommend to check out Love Spit Love's version for The Smith's "How Soon Is Now". Great track and Richard did an awesome job. ;)

Richard is talented. I love his cello part on Stinson's "Without A View".  : ok:

Whats the best CD to hear Richards work on?

Definately the honkey toast album called "what ya gonna do honkey?"