Here Today... Gone To Hell!

A very interesting one. They claim they spoke to tommy on the phone earlier
this week. Regarding GNR, tommy says they haven't yet decided which songs will finally make the album and that some vocal parts have yet to be added.

Positive note: it will be out before hell freezes over!!! :hihi: :beer:

Source:  http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/entertainment/10681545.htm?1c

Tommy Stinson sticks to his Guns

BY ROSS RAIHALA

Pioneer Press


So Tommy Stinson is back in town for a show Saturday night at the Uptown Bar. He's doing a two-man acoustic/rock sort of thing ? more on that later.

But there's one thing I really want to know, and I suspect I'm not alone. When, exactly, is the new Guns N' Roses album going to come out? For real?

"The record is being finished as we speak," Stinson said earlier this week on the phone from his home in Burbank, Calif.

What could possibly be left to finish on a record that has been at least, oh, a decade in the works? Some vocal parts and mixes, Stinson said, adding that once the band decides what songs make the final cut, GNR will, oh yes, tour.

"You know, it'll come out probably sooner than later, I can just about assure you," he said. "I've been told as much, anyway. Without giving a date, it'll be sooner than hell freezing over."

In the meantime ? and there's been plenty of meantime for Stinson, who joined GNR back in 1999 ? the one-time Replacement is on tour again to support his solo debut, "Village Gorilla Head."

On his last tour, the Seattle rock band Alien Crime Syndicate backed him up. This time around, he's joined by Dave Phillips (from Frank Black's backing band, the Catholics). The pair played some dates together last year.

"The response I got from the duo was really cool," Stinson said. "I like to switch it up and do things differently."

Any surprises planned for his hometown crowd?

"Nah. I might come up with a card trick or two. Or maybe a balancing act."

After the current tour, Stinson goes back to GNR ? assuming that album actually comes out ? and hopes to produce some new bands and maybe stretch out into film scoring.

"My goal this year is to do everything better," he said. "And to do a lot more of it."

So we won't get it before November. Don't ask me a year.? :-\

What's the date of the interview? He said earlier that they had finished the album...

The article appears today and they claim the interview is from earlier this week.

LOL LOL!!!! What a fucking crazy fucking joke this album has become... Tommy Stinson has no idea whats going on....

"You know, it'll come out probably sooner than later, I can just about assure you," he said. "I've been told as much, anyway. Without giving a date, it'll be sooner than hell freezing over."


hes been told anyway??? ..  they dont even have the songs picked??? 

This album isnt coming out in April or even 2005 for that matter... That is if what Tommy says is true.. hes been wrong alot of times before...

ohhh shit...not again... :no:

He had Enough time to add vocals to a god damn video game but cant finish singing for his own albums?????

To me from the way he speaks it seems an old interview....

Oh well if it is new things are really bad...

"Stinson said earlier this week on the phone from his home in Burbank, Calif"

The show is on saturday... my god this is not good..

this does not sound good at all - full of "just abouts" and"probablys"...
surely Axl can't afford to muck around much longer before we all lose interest?

If the interview is old, the journalist should have stated the date. If it's indeed old, what a bad journalist he is.

mother of god
when the new VR album will be out anyway?
I?m waiting Kurt Cobain?s rebirth and form a band before Axl finishing those vocals.

This mean that we probably wont see album before fall... Not again... :'(

looks like VR new record will be out before this ?:-\

Very fucking depressing if you ask me.  :(

absolutely hideous already

They claim to have spoken to him!!!

Come on people, please stay positive!! I think we are that fucking close now!! Havent we all learnt by now not to listen to rumours?????

 :hihi:

Its a newspaper article, not a rumor.

Axl in ROCK IN RIO 3 ( 2001 )

"WE WILL BE BACK NEXT SUMMER WITH? BUNCH OF NEW SONGS!"

ROCK IN RIO LISBON confirmed GNR and then...? :drool:
what about that Axl statment about Buckehead and the "hope to bla bla bla in a FEW MONTHS" ?

how many times did you see Dizzy or Tommy saying "final touches" along these years?
" a hair?s breath" ... ahhh comon

yep yep yep ... I?m fucking positive now? :rant:

My point purely is that they claimed to have spoken to him thats all!! Have newpapers articles never been wrong or inaccurate before then????




If you wanna be that upset and negative about it all, then thats your problem! I just dont see what the point is, in ranting on about it. When for once we seem to be that close to getting what we have all been waiting for! Dont get me wrong I get frustrated about it all too, but why start bringing up old quotes and rattling on about them??

The album was supposed to be nearly finished on 2001 and only Vocals and mixing were left to Finish.
Now 2005 and still the same old story.

The only reasonble and positive explanation it is that Axl wants to Finish completely 3 Fucking albums before releasing the 1st one. So maybe the final vocals,mixes and Tracklist is about the 3rd Album...

Oh Well....

couse EVERY LITTLE RUMOR bring my hopes up, every little lack of "good news" bring my hopes up... but seems that or they don?t even know whadafuck is going on is their band or they are just lying to the fans, like that boring guy that want to be your frind when you?re 12 years old and you always say something like "yeah sure..." then look to the other side and laugh with your friends... ( I DID this a few times when I was a kid and I?m not proud of it if you ask me! )

calm down.. Stay tuned for news on Chinese Democracy in February  : ok:

how do u guys know that GN'R aint suffering legal problems. if u look at the amount of lawsuits against them, then that might be whats slowing gn'r.

Legal problems.  I am tired of that excuse.  Still vocals to be layed down?  Jesus!  I wonder if Axl is even joins the other new GNR members in the studio.  I don't think the Chinese Democracy is ever coming out.  What good will staying positive do?  Axl keeps his fans in the dark and takes them for granted.  He is a great frontman, but he is a recluse.   

Could it suck anymore to be a Guns N' Roses fan. I mean, for crying out loud, "more vocals need to be laid down"? WTF? The whole Chinese Democracy album is just one big cock-tease and the gunners of the world will have blue-balls 'till their dying day.

Tommy is full of it. He first says a few months ago that he had heard the final mixes and the album  was done, now he changes his mind again...


Ok about the article, tommy says there are some vocal parts to be finished, not vocals to be added. That could mean there are some vocal parts that haven't been mixed yet. If Axl had to add more vocals we could be talking about a 9-12 month delay, but from what I gathered, the album is almost finished.." being finished as we speak"

I personally think the album's been finished for a while now, the only thing holding it back is legal issues; that could be contracts, lawsuits over past albums royalties and/or with promoters...

So, don't kill yourselves yet people.

Dont believe everything you read for fucks sake!!! Why give up on the band now????

I don't think anyone can realistically give up.  I mean as pissed as I am, if Chinese Democracy ever would come out, I would get it the same day as all the fans that stayed positive.  But hell, you can't help but get frustrated.   Why does Axl have to be such a freakin recluse?

What kind of bass player doesn't know when his bands album is being finished?

Give up if you really want for god?s sake. Go ahead! :hihi:


As for the article, I must say it's an odd piece for an interview. Watch the quotation marks, whether direct or indirect speech. Which one did Tommy actually say to the writer on the phone earlier this week?

So the newspaper made it up?


I think Tommys word is a little more reliable...If the album is actually done, why would Tommy lie about it?

What's new? Fuck Tommy and Dizzy! Those two fucks would say anything to keep everyone happy.

Why don't they just tell the truth. Axl is so insane, compulsive, and parnoid that he just can't finish it.... or whatever the fuck is going on. It's just funny how many times they have lied to us about the album's state.

I think Tommys word is a little more reliable...If the album is actually done, why would Tommy lie about it?

Maybe to throw all of us off? ?Hell who knows? ?Maybe Axl is planning something big? ?If thats the case, I'm sure he doesn't want his bass player spilling the beans before he does.

Even though I posted the article, I've allways remained positive. Truly, you can't miss something that hasn't happened yet, so if C.D. doesn't come out after all, you won't have missed anything (god, i'm sounding axl-ish :hihi:).

anyway, possibly the interview is a bit old...

Spilling what beans?  Tommys already said before that the album is a "hairs breadth" from being finished...either way, its being help up.  Now if its being held up by legal isssues instead of simply being incomplete, why wouldnt Tommy say so?

If you sincerely think hes trying to throw fans, I think you might be in denial.

Well, lying is a very heavy word, maybe he is hiding some information due to contract restrictions...

A few months ago the album was finished. He had heard a few "final mixes"...now he says "vocal parts need to be finished" well if the album was finished then, how come there are still some vocals to be finished?

These contradicting statements suggest that there may be reasons ( other than the ones given) ?on why the CD is constantly delayed.

Either way, the sad true is none of his previous statements about the album have been accurate. They all have been vague..." sooner before later"..." is almost finished..." we've been hearing the same crap for the past two years now.

So, you sincerely think Tommy really told the writer the lot in the article on the phone early this week, 17~19 Jan 05?

If hes really playing there on Saturday, then yeah...why not?

same shit with different words.

Now your just trying to cause trouble

Maybe the songs that still need vocals are not the ones that were being mixed last time around?
It it's the case though, I must admit it is strange. It was always my understanding that you go into the mixing phase when everything else is finished.

I answered roughly in my earlier post. Why the very part we focus on is not in "direct narration"?
How about cut and paste?

Apparently not the band members.

Although this isnt good news, all Tommy said last time around regarding the material is that he heard a "few" mixes. Meaning the whole album wasnt mixed. So from that standpoint he isnt lying. I wish he would have eithe rmentioned that some of the vocals werent done at that time or not say the whole it will be out soon. They have been saying that for years.

When I go to the show Im going to ask him about this and the whole issue.

Yea,

And people who have moved on since GNR's hayday think that ALL of us here are in denial. ?So fuck it, I guess I am. ?And you are too.

Please don't forget to ask him about the '3 albums' thing.

I think it's mostly the same they've been saying the last 2 years: album almost done, finishing touches, etc etc. common' people, don't be so negative.

 ???

What are you talking about? 

Read the post.  We're all in denial about weather this album will come out or not.

Cocaine__tongue, thanks for the info.

Is this newspaper serious one or kinda tabloid?

I don't know, never heard of it. It's certainly not the new york or washington post  :nervous:

I think youre confusing me with somebody else...

 :D Ta, Cocaine__tongue. :D
Anyone heard of this paper?

:confused: We? All? Include me out. 

Which show are you going to Younggunner? Good luck!

HAHAHAHAHA! if they're still recording this piece of crap, then there is no way it's coming out before before june or july...if they finish recording/mixing within the next couple of months, then i'd guess on a late 2005 release - between october and december...

The simple fact of the matter is the album has not been turned over to the record company-NOT GOOD. The Chinese Democracy recording sessions are NOT complete-one album or five albums-it is not complete. At this point I honestly believe that Axl is sitting on a mountain of music that he may not be capable of writing enough quality lyrics and melodies for. Maybe the band is better than him??? Maybe he needs help with his parts? Who the fuck knows. This is sad. I am going to the Atlanta show and am slightly older than Tommy. Maybe he will open up to someone his own age. I will see what I can do. If he gives me some bullshit, I could just take take him outside and rough him up a bit!  ::) ::)

It's a serious newspaper. It is the primary newspaper of Tommy's hometown and it serves a metropolitan area. So it's credible.

thanks 4 the article? : ok:

this is not nessesarly bad at all, the album is prolly done 4 their concern (instrumentally) and axl gonna lay down some last vocals.

could also mean one cd was bein mixed and finalized (when richard said cd was done) and axl wanted finish every "near future" cd's or music coming after the release...
or finsihing possible additional music to the chinese democracy album? :D

-that way he would not need to spend time in a studio again after their first release has runned it's course...

 :idea:? tommy quoted axl and said something about zimmerin and psycological mindgame, dunno the article,
(can we have a exact quote from that)

 it's not likely but possible that tommy are limited and has image and commercial responsebillety in regard to gnr and it's managment\buisnesspartners, when he speak publicly, since he is associated to the band by the world...
 
 -so thanks to tommy and co
- the project and future product will look alive (yeah right)? ::) and have people on an edge durin commercial dead-time? :)
(i can't belive he say this if he have no clue so why say this)

most likely coincidence and not intended
- but fun to think about 4 the contrapeople to manic pessimists :hihi:? :P

logically speaking, there's no reason 4 not telling that he has no clue if he has no clue...

either things\delays just happens or the musicians are bein let down by buisnesspeople-
-which may have other intrest than the musicians have :confused:

they said many times that legal issues holdin back it's release? : ok:

lol,?? :beer:
they done recordin and pickin beetween finalised songs or?
... if so, it's a good thing isn't it :D

Jan 28th show here in NJ

dude ask him throurly if you can :yes:

I think its really safe to say that Tommy Stinson is a tool and a hype..Same old talk,different year..The only reason anyone cares about him (aside from Replacements) is GNR and he knows it..Both him and Dizzy know it.

:hihi:

it's a newspaper article, not the truth.

I don't understand why some people have a hard time believing this article. It's the same ol' crap we hear from Tommy or Dizzy every few months. I'm certainly not shocked to hear it yet again, for the 1001 time.

Does this mean he knows the release date?!??!?!? i hope it duz  :)

if there was a release date (which it seems it isn't), i think so? ?:yes:?
he seems to know alot about it's musical completition\process at least...?

good karma to him 4 sharing : ok:

"You know, it'll come out probably sooner than later, I can just about assure you," he said. "I've been told as much, anyway. Without giving a date, it'll be sooner than hell freezing over."

Just look at that quote? How hard is he trying to give fans hope, but not promising anything? It's the same crap that has been said the last 12 months from him.
It's obvious that he's just obeying orders and trying to cover up for Axl's lack
of motivation. "Sooner rather than later" tommy is going to get fed up with Axl's
psychosis, too and then they're really going to be in trouble.

It's so sad that the new band members and the fans care more about the band
and  the album than Axl does. Legal issues aside, the only reasonable explanation is
that Axl is incredibly moody and lazy. Otherwise, this album could have come out any
number of times in the past 5 years.

Youve missed the point.

So, you think the newspaper invented Tommys quote?

CD will not be out in 05...  scratch that, EVER.

If Axl has had time to do some voice work for a stinking video game, but has not finished the vocals for his materpiece that he has been working on for at least 5 years, I have to deduce that he does not want to release it.

oh boy.... ::)

sure, why not?

it's not like it's a reputable source or anything...   :hihi:

I hate myself for caring more than I hate anyone else for causing me disappointment.

It's a funny, cursed thing, this literal obsession with following the ever-delayed release of Chinese Democracy.

I think the album will suck. Think about it people, hes been working on this for a long long long long time. And he still must be unhappy with it, or it would be released by now. He's been out of the game so long he doesnt know how to write good stuff anymore. I bet 90% of his lyrics are about his dumb lawyers and old problems. He has said B4 that he writes about what has gone on in his life, and the songs are real. Just look at the old material. He's stuck, he cant think of anything good to write about or stuff that will sell. And it could also be the fact that he sounds like a 12 year old girl. Maybe he is waiting for his voice to get better or something. Who knows. Well that is all.

And thank God for that!

lol at the dude  : ok:


he sounded so raw on the european and asian tour, listen to end of days too  : ok:

and dizzy

it's like the boy who shouted wolf, and when it really happended-
no-one belived him...
hope april really happens  :beer:

"I've been told as much anyway"- assuming this is true, he's been told something, but maybe he can't say what it is, or doesn't want to say what it is, in case anything changes.

"Without giving a date..."- same concept. IF there IS a date, and Tommy knows it, he might not want to say it specifically. Things change all of the time, we all know that by now. If he says 'the CD will be out on xyz', and something happens, then just imagine the crap that will fly. It'll be worse than now. OR, maybe he doesn't know the specific date. Who knows what he knows?? Could be no more than we know. Or he could know everything and not want to jinx it. We have to wait no matter what he or anyone else says. Even if someone comes out and says, 'the CD will definately, positivily be out on this date', everyone will have to wait anyway.

In the words of Uncle Axl... 'Yep, we're fucked'  :'(

do you remember what axl said about writing the lyrics for coma? it took him a long time to write something to the music.
under the asumption that there will be three albums, i absolutely think (without proof) that CD is definitely finished, but axl still has to work out stuff for the third album, since he maybe needs some lyrics to write. and because he wants to have perfect lyrics it'll take more time.

Denial is more than just a river in Egypt you know  :hihi:
Seriously though, people need to stop with this 3 albums nonsense, let's be realistic here. Axl may have a stack of material but I seriously doubt he would wait until he has 3 albums COMPLETELY finished before releasing CD. If this was the case, knowing how Axl is,  after CD comes out he would go back to the other two albums and pick them apart some more because they're just not perfect enough or sound outdated. Maybe CD is going to be a double album, that could be the case but this 3 albums thing just doesn't sound right to me, I mean we've waited long enough, we just want one for God's sake! If he had 3 then surely he would put one out for us to shut us up!

My absolute and honest opinion? Tommy really doesn't really give a shit at this point. He's probably sick of being asked. It has been so long and he can keep doing his own thing until something finally happens (which up until now has been very little). Until there is some sign from Axl and the record company that there is actually something to release he will keep giving out the same vague runaround answers that he usually gives and then go back to his own business.

Until something (anything) happens GNR is just pissing in the wind. Tommy has no control over when this will come out (if ever), so why would be beat himself up over it? He's in a good space where he can put his energy into his own stuff until the GNR camp gets it act together.

guess it's up to record company too ::)? think we'll have it soon :beer:

Excellent post Michaelvincent. : ok:

Exactly my feelings. I have no idea why people continue to get CD erections everytime Reed or Stinson blubber out another vague "almost done" or "wrapping it up". The fact is we'll probably know when CD is coming out before they do. Face it- those guys obviously have ZERO decision making power with regards to this band and are thus not a good source on anything until Axl gives them their directives. I love the new "band"- but at the end of the day they're nothing more than employees. Even Popcorn was not this far out of the loop back in the day.

Why is there still no CD? Axl Rose. Who knows when CD will come out if ever? Axl Rose. I suggest everyone chills the fvck out until Bill Bailey makes an announcement. The rest is BS.