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Hi,

I've had a discussion with a friend of mine about the music category gn'r fits into.
He says gn'r is hair metal just like poison and van halen.
I've told him that gn'r is everything but not hair metal, I think "glam rock/classic rock with blues and punk elements" describes gn'r musical direction the best.
What do you think is the best category for gn'r both oldgnr and newgnr?

Hard Rock.

streight up fuck you rock n' roll! thats what i like to say! :smoking:

to call it hair metal is just ignorant, gn'r killed hair metal...

i guess classic rock n' roll tho is the most fitting....

just rock n' roll would do fine too i guess : ok:

lol at izzy, think that too  : ok:

look at live at the roxy 86, compare too the 90's then look at vma02

hard-rock\rock is the most including term 4 gnr imo

Classic rock.

bloody brilliant

sounds like your friend is a hateR.


Hard Rock sounds about right.
Their image was glamy at the beginning, but the music was straight down in your face hard rock.

It would be hard to define the new band though since we dont have enough material to judge them on.  :peace:

It would be hard to define the new band though since we dont have enough material to judge them on.  :peace:

Anything goes.

I agree with everyone on this thread so far. It?s difficult to put this band into one existing category minuter than hard rock/rock.

i think one of the biggest misconceptions about gnr is that they were a hair metal band...GNR IS NOT HAIR METAL...they may have been popular during the hair metal era, but their music is not hair metal...gnr was influenced by 70's blues-based rock bands like: led zeppelin, aerosmith, queen, etc...i consider gnr to be "blues-based hard rock"...the new gnr...now that's a different story...no one knows what category they fall into, since we haven't actually heard an album yet...

gnr was the opposite of hair metal...they were against the hair metal sound...they were trying to bring back the classic rock of the 70's...that is what made gnr so great, and that is why they are still popular today - they didn't try to sound like all the other cheesy hair bands of the 80's..

It's Classic Rock (at least for the old band).
GN'R have strong bluesy roots, Slash is a blues/rock kind of guitar player ala jimmy page, joe perry and Axl Rose is very influenced by blues-rock and classic-rock too (elton john, queen). Izzy is a folk rock player ala Bob Dylan.

For the new band: I really don't know. I think their weakest? point is that I can't feel their soul as a "band". It's not cohesive because They all come from too many different directions and yeah...that's not cohesive IMO. For exemple, Tommy and Richard perfectly fit in this classic-rock GN'R style (music, spirit, style, feeling, just Rock n' Roll!), while Buckethead, Robin Finck and Brain seem to be the opposite of Rock n' Roll (especially Robin and BH). I don't think they are the right guys for this band. I think Axl should bring Rockers because that's what GN'R is about. He is making an enormous mistake with a Gothic/industrial/indus guitarist on lead guitar. Come on, GN'R is not ministry or marylin manson... :nervous:

I agree about BH but not about Robin, he may look goth, but I fucking love ROBIN !!!!!
Did you see rock in rio ?? when you compare robins solos to BH........woah !!! BH is the skilled guitar player but Robin has the licks that KILL muthertrucker !!!!! ROBIN is Rock N' Roll :smoking: and he looks damn cool

IMAGE IS NOTHING, MUSIC IS EVERYTHING.

 

maybe he is inventin and makin the genre more including, like elvis did with what was called black music-

and axl is makin that rockbands does not need have that certainity :)

axl used the word agressive electroncica when he tried to describe the second album in 99 :o

think gnr will always be under the term rockband anyway :beer:

The old GNR - Hardrock/Metal ! Dont Deny it! Some old GNR songs are more Metal than Rock
The new?? - Hmm.. we dont know for sure, but i guess it will be a meltingpot of; Metal/Hardrock/Indus.

No, it's not metal. Metallica is metal and there is no ressemblance with GN'R.
GN'R is close to Aerosmith or Led Zeppelin type of music, and it's Rock N' Roll.

However VR is metal. they sound metal...and they sound realy different of GN'R.

From the early days, Metal

AFD days, Hard rock

UYI days, Blues and Hard rock.

New GN'R, soft rock.

New GNR soft rock??

Chi-dem the song is pretty nasty!

Ohhh Noo!
Velvet Revolver is real Rock N Roll!
Guns N Roses is more close to metal.

What is try to say, is that u cant put GNR in a musical genere... They have everything from bad boy rock n roll! to heavy metal...
And im sure thats how the new GNR also will be like. I dont know that, i just take a wild guess! But if u listen to Oh My God, for example???? Thats Metal! Oh My God is a metal song! No doubt about it! If u cal that Rock n roll, or hard rock, well, then i dont agree with u! Silkworms is some kind of Industrial metal song. Chinese Dem is more like Hardrock... so are Maddy

your off ya face man.......VR METAL ???

yeah, or to be more spescific, techno\hiphop (the beat) influenced powerballad
it has some bluesy gutars b4 the solo too :)

gnr sure be categorized the hardrock\rock brand but i think they'll have way more musical variations and influences (from other genres as techno industrial, metal (screaming) classical, hiphop, blues etc) than whats standard 4 "rockbands" today

some old gnr sounds really heavy, as perfect crime, you could be mine, right next door to hell :headbanger:

fuck i love the sound when axl is rippin on the vocals, thats really raw :smoking:

Wait a sec. did I miss the memo Van Fucking Halen.... Hair Metal! No No No tell your friend van halen's first album was released in 1978 way before the likes of poison. In my opinion they're Hard Rock.
GN'R are also Hard Rock but I must say listen to the Crash Diet demo that song sounds metal ta me. The great thing about GN'R is there music changed over time and thats one reason guns music doesn't get old to me. Sometimes I'm in a AFD/Lies mood sometimes its UYI/TSI.

hmmm I think it's more like Queen , 'we will rock you' kind of Beat  : ok:

I hate the classification thing. I cant deal with it. Every Music has its own individual style. And especially GN'R; which owns so many "styles" from so many instruments and even owns digital influences; has the little right to be indepentend. But to do this classification thing to deal a bit with your answer I would say they rock. And I would say that "rock" or "hardrock" hits the old GN'R the most. But to look in the future of GN'R... to do this classification thing for them... I have no clue?! I believe they do much with orchestral instruments so I would say more and more "classical inspired". But for example for the song C.D. I still say "rock" or "hardrock".

Hard Rock

GNR are just "Rock"  :smoking:

They are NOT "Hair Metal"

GNR-Chris

Old GNR - Hard Rock.

New GNR - In Progress.

i thought the same. but VR are 1 or 2 steps closer to metal than GnR ever was/is.

Suddenly it occurred to me that the definition of Metal differs with the country (if not the individual).
And reggae... :peace:

This, my friends, is what makes GnR so special, still to this day. You can't simply put them in one category(for example, see all the above posts). To some they are hard as nails rock, some hear a punk sound. Classic rock, hard rock, rock, punk, metal, maybe even some softer sound. It's all there, so name your poison. This is Guns N' Roses!         ps. smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I totally agree with you, plus I think they were a little heavy metal, not hair metal, it's not the same. It's a pity, they helped (unintentionally) grunge to become mainstream (and all the nu-metal bands later).


Yeah, that's what I believe, early GN'R seem to be more metal, I've seen in an encylcopedia about Classic Rock Guns N' Roses, they were considered heavy metal with punk elements.
If you ask some metal fans that are GN'R haters they always say Guns N' Roses are rock. They think heavier sound is more cool. Hard Rock/Metal with punk elements is the closest genre, GN'R are really hard to be categorized, they have many elements. It's their own unique style.


They are too heavy to be hard rock.
Well they are a little metal, I would say even nu-metal sometimes( >:(). Headspace is a classical nu-metal song. Especially the intro.

And a last thing, they're not reggae, don't mess with the live version of KOHD and definitely not rap, hip - hop or something like that, the only hip hop thing was Axl's clothes, you can't say maddy is a hip hop song either.

noone said that, but it has a hiphop beat behind it in the verse, so it's a lil influenced  :yes:
not a classical rockbeat : ok:

sound really good  :beer:

Rock n Roll plain and simple! I wouldnt ever have put them in the heavy metal category and definetely not hair metal!! I for one one hated with a passion these two definitions of music! Yet I have loved and lived and breathed Guns from the day Appetite came out! The people who liked heavy metal and hair metal sort of music were considered geeks! But Guns fans were considered cool! I know what music you like is not about being cool, far from it. Its just that I consider Guns (then and now) to be more talented by a long distance than any heavy metal/hair band there ever has been!

Old band: rock n' fucking roll
New band: indus techno (or that's what I read on the Internet)


Labels are stupid, there's two kinds of music. Good and bad. :D





/jarmo

nice said: bad N good. Black N' White. Guns N' Roses

It has also occurred to me numerous times that the sense of humour differs with the individual not with the country. :-\

hard rock

what the.. ???

Old GnR is hard to put in a specific category. They are classic Rock yet they arent played much on Classic Rock stations{atleast here in the NY Area}. And they are too "old" to be played on a "modern" station like KROCK. Their music is great but when you really look at it they are not the most radio friendly type band. Except for the anthems all their other stuff is either too long or too much cursing. SO they get shutout.  They are played regularly on lower scale stations around here though. Which is a good thing.


As for the new band. We wont know until the first single and album. This is one of the things Im intrigued about when CD drops. TO see where they end up in todays music. It all depends on the sound and how they promote themselves. IMO, IF THE MUSIC IS UP TO TODAYS STANDARDS, they will slide right into the Krocks of the world. We shall see though. Or the whole Axl/negativity factor might play in. Lots of questions.....Cant wait to see how it all pans out

I've always thought of GN'R (even today) as Led Zepelin and Pink Floyd's love child raised by Hanoi Rocks. : ok:

I guess I would call it "Modern Hard Rock". "Modern" not as in current, but rather as one generation removed from the "Classic Hard Rock" era of Zepelin, Floyd, Aerosmith etc. Kind of like how Warhol or Rothko are still considered "modern art artists" even though they've been dead for years.

I would classify them as non-existent.  Or has beens.  The best may be Theory Rock because in theory there's an album being made but we've yet to see the reality of this venture.

Well, of course, GNR?s hard to categorize. They were heavy metal. Specifically, pop metal. Specifically, bluesy, punky pop metal. But that?s what?s so appealing about them.

Yeah it is nasty and listen to Oh my god those two songs have got some pretty nasty licks and is heavier than any old GN'R song and I like it