Here Today... Gone To Hell!

i think one of the huge things that makes axl so great is his songwriting ability *of course*

i got to thinking just now as i was running through GNR songs in my head and where most bands have a "dont bore us, get to the chorus" philosophy

a good portion of GNR material has no chorus or not a very elaborate chorus. the emotion,music, and overall theme of the song makes them great but the chorus' really are almost non existant


SCOM *whoa oh oh oh sweet child o mine, whoa oh oh oh sweet love of mine
NR doesnt have a chorus
Estranged doesnt really have a chorus
Coma doesnt have a chorus
Breakdown *breakdown, let me hear it now, breakdown breakdown
madagasar
the blues
and the songs that do have legitimate chorus' the chorus really isnt what sells the song

Dont cry *dont u cry tonight, i still love u baby...................... theres a heaven above u baby and dont u cry tonight

perfect crime

i think its awesome how the songs are remembered as a whole and not just some snippet of a chorus.


some instances the music is as famous if not more famous as the lyrics.

very wide specter of songs structure, good musicians :yes:  :peace:

i was thinking about that too
and my girlfriend and i were watching mtv or something and the white stripe song (i think) "seven nation army" , the one with the specific rythm was on ....
and i was like, today every song has the same melody all along.
i mean really. they built one melody. and they go from it. no break, nothin.

great band, great songs, changes. and GNR songs changes along the minutes, even the short one. even it's so easy, nightrain. all.
they HAVE SOLOS ! (rock band now make the solo sound just the same as the rest of the song)

and yes i think that GNR songs were great structure-wise.

Yeah, D, I've noticed that too about some GNR songs. It just how inspired and talented Axl is (most fo the chorusless songs are written by him)
  Making huge songs like NR, Estranged or Coma(hail to the Slash!), 8-9-10 minute long songs, and without almost anything repeating in them is fantastic.

   Most songs have a clear formula: Intro,some lirycs,chorus,some lirycs,solo,chorus,the end

i'm totally with you, but IMO november rain has definately a chorus. there's just a break at the end of the song (like in locomotive, SCOM, PC,...).

yeah, they give lots of time to the music too and explore, like the afterparts of locomotive and november,

and slash has a outstanding time slot on the garden for example,
 and that solo is so good :drool: does not have a chorus either and is amazing :o
even the songs that have the intro-verse-chorus structure is done quite well too, like right next door to hell :headbanger:

not just for bein commercial relevant but qualifies 4 bein good musicians and composers too,

they are :beer:

I've always liked the fact that some of Axls songs don't have a chorus.

This fact does feed the ability to the songs to be more individualistic.
The pop-craftet ones today are only one crushing chorus. GN'R don't need that, the songs are crafting over and over by their own all the time.
Every day I hear to a GN'R song, I'm finding out some more interesting details.
The details are the real chorus of Guns N Roses.  :peace:

Lots of the GNR songs have great intros too...whether its a riff (WTTJ), lick (SCOM), Rythm (Rocket Queen, Brownstone, YCBM), Drum Roll (Its So Easy) or just a big fuck off entrance like Paradise City they all set the song up really well and are instantly recognisable which is good for live shows.


   

i think it`s great that every song has a solo ( except my world?). and imo one of the best gnr solos is the one in rhaid and the bedouins. without the solos many of the songs would be much worse, and i take it as a good sign that the new songs we`ve heard so far contain solos, too.

Locomotive dont really have a chorus does it?...Theres like 3 lines that repeat themselsves twice isnt there?thats good for like a 10 min song

baby's got a locomotive, baby's gone off the track
baby's got a locomotive got to peel the bitch off my back
i know it looks like im insane
take a closer look im not to blame

yeah that would qualify as a chorus.

NR i dont think has a chorus

one could argue that

"so nobody ever told u baby" parts of estranged could technically be a chorus.


but to me a chorus is something repeated throughout the song.

the entire 2nd half of estranged doesnt use that once.

NR

sometimes i need some time on my own

those parts i dont feel are technically choruses

I just think its amazing how the music constantly changes and a lot of the songs dont go by set formulas

which *not to start a Nirvana vs GNR debate*

but i always found it laughable when kurt called GNR shit music but yet his stuff almost always followed a particular formula.

GNR are of one of the most complex,creative and amazing musical artists of all time.

Unlike some other bands like Metallica, whose new album is devoid of any

Dont cry, you could be mine, jungle, brownstone, rocket queen, infact every song on AFD are all songs with memorable choruses.

How can you use Dont cry as an example of not needing a chorus? The whole song hinges on the chorus, the songs resolution is the chorus repeated four times and thats after we already heard it three times before the solo!!!!

Paradise city, civil war, dead horse, back off bitch, double talkin jive, bad apples are all songs with traditional repeated chorus sections, most of them containing the songs title.

I  know that all these songs are not axl solo compositions but it seems to me Guns N Roses output to date has been full of songs with a traditional structure they are hardly breaking any rules.

The outro sections on Breakdown and november rain are nothing new this was done ten years previously by clapton on layla to name one of the top of my head.

I am not a GNR hater I just think its a misinformed statement, sorry :peace:

well, he is partially true, D has a point there.. i was just thinking about that a couple days ago, some songs have memorable choruses but others dont and are just as good : ok: i mean, look at coma, its great and it doesnt have a chorus at all!!

yeah i mean technically they do but its not the song u know.

most songs today and of any era was all about that chorus.

music,riffs,solo's and verses in GNR songs are just as great and memorable as the chorus' and that is rare to find in music.

most songwriters have a neat nice little structure,

SCOM does not really have a chorus

whoa oh oh oh SCOM whoa oh oh oh Sweet love of mine

thats not a structured amazing chorus. a rather throw awayable chorus

that song is more of the riff,solo's verses and the bridge, outro breakdown sections in myopinion.

its technically a ballad but have u ever heard another ballad with that structure?

GNR are one of the few bands in music history that can pull off an epic.

Queen could do it but most epics i dont like cause they play 4 minute guitar solo's that sound like a bunch of angry bees

i love emotion and melody, so slash's solos were great and added to the songs so much.

i would definitely put GNR in the top 3 of most talented songwriters ever.

I agree with the statement that gnr don't require a chorus to succeed! And that is what makes many of the songs truely inspired. They don't stick to conventional verse/chorus/verse/chorus/bridge/chorus end.

look at brownstone, on the face of it its just the same as any other and it does have an obvious chorus, but the structure is weird to say the least.

bob

Good point! However , I would rephrase as "Axl is one of the few 80's rock n roll acts that doesn't require a chorus". I think the bombastic chorus lines in some of the artists of the 80's like Ratt, Poison, etc. ultimately led to their demise. The production on some of those chorus lines just sound cheesy today. That is why AFD sounds so raw and authentic.

Blues = needs a chorus.

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