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ContactMusic.com is reporting that guitarist Slash credits his humble approach to GUNS N' ROSES' phenomenal success with maintaining his "cool" image.

The guitarist refused to let his former group's adoring fans turn him into the egotistical star frontman Axl Rose ultimately became.

And Slash is convinced his decision to leave the group when he did has enabled him to enjoy renewed popularity in VELVET REVOLVER, while Rose ? the only remaining original GUNS N' ROSES member ? remains a recluse in Los Angeles.

He says, "When you're playing in front of that many people you really appreciate where you came from. Maybe for Axl it became that because he was fronting the band and he was the one responsible for a lot of negative energy from the audience, but I was just happy to be up there playing.

"That's one of the things that made it easy for me to leave the band when I did... because I had some small bit of cool left and I didn't wanna go down with the sinking ship."

Slash craves the spot light and NEEDS attention to feel cool, while Axl could just disappear for ever and axl would be fine with that. I love how slash still cant take accountabiity for taking a part in the break up of the band, he is still putting it all on Axl.  I am sorry but a 40 year old guy still writing songs about sex and drugs is not cool. That is why contraband is so lame. Slashs music never progressed like it should have.

Well.....regardless of whether you think Contraband blows Slash has been able to spin the break-up publicly that has made himeself come as a sympathetic victim. He is also still viewed as being ultra-cool by the general public. I would say he probably doesn't care if his music has "progressed" or not as he is still a highly sought after musician for others to play with and is currently playing lead guitar for a platinum selling band. People LOVE Slash....he gets huge cheers where ever he goes. There are plenty worse things he could be doing with his life.

I think you are the one that NEEDs attention to feel cool little man. 

Slash isn't writing the lyrics. Scott is writing the lyrics.... He is writing lyrics about drugs because they are a huge part of his life. Who the fuck are you to say it's not cool???? They are also not "Party On" songs, they are songs about the demons and dark side of drugs... Also, if you think sex isn't cool, then you are more fucked up than I thought.

I would basically agree. After the success of GNR Slash has realized he doesnt have to have that ultra drive anymore ebcause he has already "made it" and is percieved as a cool individual. Slash isnt as serious as Axl is in terms of music. And imo that is what broke up gnr. the differences of philosophies

And just look which one has released three albums of material since GNR broke up.  Now compare that to one shitty movie soundtrack single ... serious about music indeed.  More like obsessive and anal about music.

I wouldn't confuse your perception of Slash's seriousness about music with his loss of faith in Axl's musical vision and direction.

What drive are you talking about?  The drive to create, record and perform the music he wants to make? The drive to put albums together and tour relentlessly all over the world?

...Or the "drive" to simply follow Axl into making music he didnt want to make?


 ::)

Youd really like to believe that.  But in addition to Falcons valid point, lets see what Zakk Wylde has to say.  After all, hes cited by die-hard Axl fans as a reliable source on Axl:

ZAKK WYLDE: "Axl called me up and said, "Hey, you want to get together and do some jamming?" I'd say "Dude, did you come up with any lyrics yet?" And he's just like, "Dude, I got people suing me right now." He's on the phone with his lawyers 24-7. He was, like, "I can't come up with any lyrics right now-they'd be about every other lawsuit I got going."

So maybe Slashs "seriousness" with music wasnt the problem...

Heres one of the 6 songs since 1991 Axl has wrote.

*Silkworms*

Listen motherfuckers to this song that should be heard
Thrown down in the gutter, it's more than you deserve
Kneeling fucking virgin, you know that's what you are
Pussy for a maggot, isn't that a shock


What can I do? With a bitch like you
You know that it's true
All I have I ask of you
I'll be dammed
If it's not true
A bitch like you

It sure isnt cool when 40 year old guys sing about drugs and sex. :hihi: Listening to the boot i got, i think the lyrics are even dirtier. Someone must have cleaned them up a bit, there not official.

You cant compare the desire of Axl and his wanting to create something meaningful{whether it turns out great or not} to Slash's goals when making albums. WHat does Slash always say about making  his album?"I just wanna rock out and jam" stuff to that effect. Whereas we know Axl wants to make somehting bigger than life etc. Im not sayin SLash is wrong or Axl is right. Its just the fact of how each view thier job.....

This has nothing do with who was correct in their musical philosophy. I said it was about how each views the work they take on.

How come you didnt put the year in which that was stated? During that time period its well known Axl didnt write much. I would say from the break up until about 2000/2001 Axl was just trying to build up GNR. From the band to the behind the scenes stuff. If the original lineup stayed together and were on the same page you cant automatically say this would have happened.

Im not saying Slash is wrong and Axl is right. They both have different views on music and thier image to the world. But you cant dispute the fact that Axl is much more wrapped up in making meanigful music than SLash is. Slash admits to wanting to just get out there, just jam, lets rock....and im not saying thats wrong. But its a different way of going about things than of Axl.....


"This song was put together by Mr Dizzy Reed and Mr Chris Pittman....This is called Silk WOrms"

mighty rockin song aint it

Dizzy and Chris Pittman wrote silkworms FYI.  Rember what Axl said at Rio. Here is a song put together by Chris Pittman and Dizzy Reed. 

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=71

That was back in 1996 or 1997 when he called up Zack and Axl didnt not have any lyrics. At least give a date instead of trying to take things out of context.

Dizzy and Chris wrote it musically. I'm sure that Axl wrote the lyrics. 'I'm alone lyrically', as he said. And SW is a really Axl-type 'fuck you' song.

 :hihi:

Thanks for proving the point...


So Slash always has the same philosophy toward an album, yet hes lost his drive?? You still havent explained what drive Slash has lost...


"Axl called me up and said, "Hey, you want to get together and do some jamming?"

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Meaningful is relative, and the notion that Slash left because he didnt want to make music that Axl found meaningful is one that youve created, not one that exists in reality.? Because I cant recall Slash ever citing that as a reason for leaving.? I can, however, recally Slash citing Axls electronic/industrial/alternative infatuation as an issue.? And thats just one of many.? So saying "Axl was serious about making music, and Slash just wanted to jam," as you have a thousand times, is complete bullshit.


1) That doesnt mean that Axl didnt write the lyrics.? Axls referred to "Coma" as Slashs song...Care to give Slash credit for those lyrics?

2) Its still a Guns N' Roses song, no matter who wrote it.

3) Axl still sings the lyrics.


To a handful of die-hards, Im sure it is... :yes:


But how typically hypocritical of Dave to criticize Slash for "writing songs about sex and drugs," and then turn around and vindicate Axl by insisting he didnt write the lyrics (or the song, for that matter).


Yup...but apparently Daves lyrical comprehension is limited.  If he wasnt so hypocritical, hed listen to "Chinese Democracy" and complain about how lame it is for a 43 year-old guy to write about masturbation.

Or hed just pass the blame to Josh Freese.  ;)

Booker, first off no one knows if Axl wrote the lyrics to silkworms or not. He said the song was put together by Chris and dizzy.? Also, how is Silkworms even a song about sex?? It?s not about getting high, drunk or laid, now is it? So either way you are still wrong.? As for the masturbation comment, I am sorry you are not smart enough to understand the metaphor. Hopefully you know what a metaphor is.

I havnt heard anything from him that compares to his previous guitar work with gnr. So hes either lost a step or 2 since his gnr days or hes content with what hes doing. Hence not as serious as Axl. And again THAT DOESNT MEAN aXL IS RIGHT. Just 2 differetn ways of doing music.


Axl wants to jam to fuck around and see how it goes in a band setting...Slash jams to make an album. Dont be a dick you get my point. Slash is the muscian who doesnt care about making an important record. Hes more of lets get out on the road type guy...

Why are you making this a gnr breakup thing? And where did I say he left because he didnt want to make Axls meaningful music? They both have different musical philosophies and agendas. They both have thier different goals and ideas. Unfortunately they werent on the same page. Who was right and who was wrong is for another topic not this one.

Yes and so were other old time gnr songs....you are all ready to praise Izzy and say how he is the lyrical gem behing gnr and are ready to discount Axl...but when it concerns a song liek silkworms u say o Axls singing it hes allowing it....but wait I thought you wanted the whole band type thing? What happened to allowing other membbers in a band contributing. Isnt that what a lot of peopel around here keep posting baout. Whther you like the song or not, the song was basically made by Dizzy and Chris. Im sure Axl had his hands in it but I dont know to what extent. We will have to wait till the credits. But until them Axl credits Pittman and Reed....

And yes its still a gnr song just like My World : ok:

And what a beatiful metaphor! Man, it's fuckin' poetry! Just like Silkworms' 'Pussy full of maggots'!  :-X

You still havent explained what drive he has lost...



What does this mean?  Slashs approach to making songs, or albums, hasnt really changed in 20 years.  Youre speaking in incredibly muddled terms.  How does Slash "jam" on albums when theres in fact no "jamming" on the album.  Everything is structured and concise. 


No, I dont.


Okay...again, he been that way for 20 years.  He was that way when he made Appetite For Destruction...a pretty important record.


 ???




Youre making stuff up again.  You cant find one instance when Ive done this...but please, dont allow me to stop you from making things up.


Man, you always miss the point.

By the way, can you explain the "masturbation" meptaphor?

Hey Dave,keep listen to an album that doesn't exist and keep buyin' tickets for shows that will never happen. We 're cool here listen to a super kickass album and live shows that it's for real. :beer:  Salud!

The drive that creates music like he once created

Hes not trying to change the face of music with his albums. Hes plugging it in and what comes out is the album. Hes not there trying to create a masterpiece.

Yes, and what has that same drive gotten him since he left gnr. CB is a nice album but it doesnt come close to what he did with gnr on a musical scale. Again, what is AFD? a in your face groundbreaking record. stick with that same formula and youll be right next to the likes of ACDC

"you are all" thats what I said. A lot of peopel on these boards go out of their way to credit Izzy and say how hes the behinds the scenes gem of GNR. Plus you made the comment of Axls signing it, hes allowing it, its a gnr song. Yea and? That doesnt mean he wrote the song. I know a lot of people would like to jump on Axl every chance they can so they can further Slash's justification of not being in the band but fact is the music is a band effort. Bandmembers have said it and Axl has credited 2 of his bandmembers for a song.

You can slice it anyway you want, Axl and Slash have completely different musical philosophies. One is the type peoples type of rockstar and wants to just get out there, lay down some tracks and hit the road whereas the other is the crazy rockstar who wants to take his time and make a meaningful album.

You are an idiot. Are you a pschologist? Do you actually think this is how Slash acts? From everything I have read over the years and I can tell you this; slash is a laid back, soft spoken guy who would rather talk about his involvment with the guitar then anything about Axl. Axl is the piece of shit here my friend. And deserves all the blame for he fall of the real Gn'R.

How about you leave out the "insults" from your future posts?






/jarmo

Neither were the Sex Pistols or that band out of Seattle (notice I didn't use the "N" word), widely cited as 2 of the most influential bands of the last 25+ years that "changed the face of music".

Keep in mind, words like "meaningful" and "masterpiece" are all in the ears of the beholder.  It seems you've fallen into the trap of playing down someone elses recent artistic accomplishments by elevating someone elses perceived creative intention.

Im not saying that in order to create a masterpiece you have to go in it thinking that way. Im well aware that most of the greatest albums of all time are ones that come out of nowhere and done in a short period of time...

But im not talking about that. Im not debating which philosophy is better or right. What I said in my first post was that Axl takes music much more seriosuly than SLash.


This has nothing to do with what VR has done. I was discussing the whole cool image topic with Slash and how compared to Axl he is as serious as Axl.

Actually I have a psych degree, so I think I know what I am talking about. Plus I am very good at reading people and am dead on 99% of the time.  so there ya go. 

No I think it is much more simple than that.

I think Slash is out working and Axl is not.

Not in public anyway.

That's it.

Wow, you should be a comedian because that was a hilarious. You have never even talked to Slash so how can you analyze him? Since you have a psych degree you should know that.

that's an uneducated assumption. Sort it out.

You do not need to talk to someone to analyze them. All you have to do is observe them or their actions. 

Okay !

Based on my observations of you and your actions, I conclude you're a moron.

I MUST BE RIGHT, yes ?

Whatever.

Dave, whether you have a psychology degree or not (which I doubt you have), you are so obsessed with Axl that you've lost  your sense for judgement and reality doesn't disturb you. Being a psychiatrist/psychologist you should analyze yourself at first.

You can doubt what ever you want.  And people like you are a joke. Its always ok for there to be huge slash fans but never huge axl fans.  And I am sorry but you really need to come back to reality. 

OK then Dr. Dave, since you've done an out patient diagnosis on Slash and concluded him a "spotlight craver" , please give the forum your unbiased professional opinion of one Axl Rose.

Be prepared to field questions on your conclusions.

Dave, you can start with your Slash analysis. C'mon, don't be afraid using psychological terms. C'mon. And the analyze Axl.

That is an excellent idea Falcon!  How about it Dave?  Want to break down the mental functions of one W. Axl Rose to share with all?

Did you barely pass for your psych degree? Sure, you can base an opinion on someone by just observing their actions but you cannot come up with a correct analysis on someone without talking to them. Again, you should know this. I find it a joke that you're pretending to be some kind of expert because you have a psych degree. Especially when your opinion of Slash is a load of BS that is biased because you have some bizarre obsession with putting down Slash to elevate Axl's status. How about I analyze you, Dave? After all, I have a pretty good idea of who you are since I've seen what you have to say for almost two years. Are you ready for my opinion? I did get an A in psychology, ya know.

We all know Axl is bi polar and you can see it in his actions. He also is a perfectionst and never thinks his work is good enough thus that is why the album is taking forever to be released.  Axls child hood abuse is also a factor in his beating of women and his erratic behavior. 

Havent we already gone over this before?

yeah my opinion of slash is BS, I am sorry but its dead on and everyone knows it. Stop being in denial. And yes you can base an opinion on someone by observing their actions and what they have said over the past 20 years. It wont be indept but  you can get a very good idea of what a person is like. Sorry if you are just not good at it but that is not my problem now is it?  You can try  and bash me all you want but its just gonna make you look ignorant that  you cannot take someone critizing slash. ITs really said that you care what a person you  dont even know says about slash on a message board and feel the need to attack that person personally. Some of you really need to grow up already.

IMO, CB isn't much of a departure from the styles of AFD and Plush; it is exactly what you expect from an amalgamation of STP and GnR minus the redhead and the DeLeo brothers. I felt much the same way after the AudioSlave album; it was a good effort but lacked any surprises. This doesn't mean either work isn't quality. But the truly great bands are greater than the sum of their parts; when AFD dropped, the combined talents of those five guys melded in such a way that outshone anything they had ever done before. I am expecting something similiar with the Chinese Democracy record; I expect greatness and therefore it doesn't matter if this takes 5 years or 10 as long as the quality is there.

Dave, I'm just playing your game.

Your opinion is nothing but an opinion and stop saying otherwise. You're just a sad invididual who lives through Axl Rose. You relate to him in a way, except you wish you were only as cool and successful as he was. So when Axl is attacked you feel like it's a personal attack on you. You make it your life mission to defend Axl and put down those who you feel is against him to elevate Axl, but most importantly you feel like you're elevating yourself. Except you don't realize that time after time you make a fool out of yourself. You need to wake up and smell the coffee because you're no longer a 12 year old teenybopper. You're a grown man and you need to start acting like one.

No one cares if you criticize Slash. We're just sick and tired of your childish games.  You're now pretending to be some kind of expert and that you're opinion is the only right one and we're all a bunch of fools. I can't believe you're still this clueless after so many years. 

You are the sad person who takes an opinion about slash personally. And learn to read. READ MY SIG. I wrote it for Booker but it can apply to you too. And what games am I playing? I love people like you. Its ok to critize axl but god forbid anyone critize slash. People like? you? just keep proving my point for me, and I take you for that.

You really should take your own advice. You do not like what I have to say,then ignore my posts but the thing is you cannot because you know that I am right.? I am sorry I can back up what I say with examples. So why dont you try and do the same.? I am just not listening to slashs lies like you do and others that love slash.? Maybe when slash can get this story straight? and not keep changing his story then I will believe him, but you are the clueless when and its pathetic you do not even realize it.

Dave,
If you are a psychologist of some description, God help your patients because you sir, are stone mad, mad as a kite. Your sense of balance and the rabid quest for ?putting one over VR for Uncle Axl' amazes me. Do you ever tire?

What drives you? Why hate Slash so much? Axl has never sued Slash for slander for what he has said in the past so he either doesn?t care what Slash says, or knows it?s true. Either way, what are you worried about? These guys are two fucking millionaires, let them off, they will be fine.

I read in one of your mails that you destroyed your CB cd. Why? The band don?t care, your money is in Matt and Slash pocket right now CHA-CHING!!! Why not give it away to a kid or a charity store? Why destroy it? Is it rage with VR? An accident? What drives such anger and negativity towards total strangers Dave? What symbolism were you creating for yorself by destroying it? You obviously thought it was poignant because you shared it with us. Was that your symbolic destruction of VR?

I love both Axl & Slash and check here everyday for news on both men. However, trying to be as logical as possible I easily see that blame can be apportioned on both sides. I don?t know what exactly went on there but if all the old band are on one side and Axl is on the other, you generally would interpret that as an indication that the lions share of the issues are ?an Axl thing?.

You say Axls childhood abuse is also a factor in his beating of women and his erratic behavior.
If every man on this planet who was abused as a child used it as an excuse to beat up women and act like a cock to those closest to him then the world would be fucked. Not one psychologist would excuse such carry on which really shows you have no concept of the ramifications of psychological issues on relationships and what is and is not considered as ?tolerable? behavior by people with mental issues. 

Axl has been in therapy of some type or an other for over 15 years now and the guy still has more baggage than LAX. He still fucks off stage when he gets pissed (?Patience? Detroit 2002). It's not all mental issues it is also the fact  that the man is a DIVA period. Sometimes you just have to stop making millions of excuses for people and call it for what it is.

Intercourse

slash fans keep showing their true colors and how pathetic they really are with all the name calling and personal attacks. Its so easy to piss you guys off, its not even funny.  Why do I hate slash so much? I could ask why people hate axl so much. Like I keep asking yet people like you NEVER answer. Why is ist always ok to talk bad about Axl yet when people talk bad about slash either the person doing it has problems or there much be hell to pay. Get over it already, and stop it with the personal attacks. Instead of doing that just try and refute what I have pointed out. OH wait I forgot you cannot refute what I say about slash buts its ALL  TRUE, that is why slash fans resort to name calling and bashing. 

Also you need to stop lying, where did you read I destoryed my CB CD? That is funny since I NEVER BOUGHT ONE, I said I boycotted the album and refused to buy it. So if  you are going to make up stuff at least try harder because you are looking like a fool saying I did something when I  never did. Nice try tho.

As for who is to blame again dont put words in my mouth, you are not smart enough to do that. I have always said Axl, slash and duff all had a part in the break up but most axl bashers just blame Axl. So again nice try but you are just lying about what i have said in the past.

About Axls abuse in his childhood being an excuse to beat up women or what have you, get a clue.  Most people that are abused as kids grow up to be abusers unless they can get help and break the cycle. If  you really want to comment on this atleast get a clue first.  You really should read up on stuff before making such a stupid claim that its not true.

I NEVER said its an excuse, I said its a factor and a reason why he did it.  Dont you even know how to read and not take things out of context?

So do some reading and get back to me  because you sir have no clue what you are talking about.

Boy, people really don't change: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=17323.msg300004#msg300004

Another VR topic where Dave and Booker and the good ol' clique are involved and again the personal attacks, the good ol' "arguments", comments on Axl vs. Slash. You all should grow up. It's just a message board for Christ's sake.

Yes, Dave likes Axl and the new band and doesn't like VR. Yes, Booker and the clique like VR and Slash. Big Fuckin Deal. When all of you guys can participate in the same thread and avoid personal attacks and page long quoting monologues, you can have a thread talking about "Slash on leaving GN'R" or anything similar that will not get locked.

I said my piece, and this thread is locked.