Here Today... Gone To Hell!

the GnR feature in the new issue of Mojo magazine looks like it's just going to be an article about how crazy axl is...it doesn't look like it will provide any new or valuable info about Gnr.  Here's what the Mojo website says about the upcoming feature:


GUNS N' ROSES
Be careful what you wish for, if what you wish for is self-validation via drugs, cash and heavy metal. Mick Wall unveils the tragedy of Axl Rose.

looks like they're just doing a story about how axl is psycho and a failure, etc.....same old axl bashing

not surprised

wonder if they'll put Axl on the cover to sell thier trash

*confesses to buying the SPIN "What the World Needs Now is Axl Rose" issue - if for nothing else other than the COVER!*

what's wrong with Mick Walls? he has the same syndrome that has infected alot of former fans.

axl called him out in song and that will live on forever since it's recorded and sold to the masses. I guess he has a grudge on his shoulder ever since. It would be nice if Mick Wall could get over it allready but I guess it makes him money.

It's too bad really. There is a bit of hypocrisy in doing so many negative articles on someone who isn't even in the public light. Walls must be fixated on the redhead.

Any idea when it hits the shelves?  I'd like to see what the asshole has to say anyway.

If it really is another article bashing Axl he has no one else to blame but himself. To say his behavior has been anything but odd would be an understatement, and by continuing to be silent he opens himself up to articles like this. If he doesn't wantt articles like this written he should try behaving more normally (I.E. releasing albums and talking to fans and the media....you know, things rock stars do.)

I think that Mick Walls really wanted to suck Axl's dick but got embarrassed when Axl suggested publicly that he do so.? ? :hihi:

Well, you gotta remember that Axl isn't just any old rock star. He does what he wants and he's not out to please anyone...

I actually thought the Spin article was the best one.  Probably still is.

If Walls wants to Axl-bash, well whatever, but he better damn well have something new to say. 

I mean, some new info about Mr. Rose, the band, the record, something...

I wish I could say it but I rather read the blues

where can i find that spin article entitled,"what the world needs now is Axl Rose."  And when is it from?

Sid Vicious is on the cover. I had to choose between the mag or The Who DVD The Kids Are Alright.....I went with Townshend.Look axl is going to be portrayed as nut until CD is unleashed.

When Mick Wall is the writer you know what to expect. It must be the 100th article he's written about Axl. He's so obsessed with him it's quite scary  :confused:

Hahaha, that's very funny! Mick Wall still writing an negative article about Axl, 14 years after the release of GITR. Wow, he must be in love with Axl really bad. Too bad Axl ain't gay, Mick. So I think it's best if you fixate on someone else.  :hihi:

People get the shits with Axl coz of the simple fact that he has'nt really done much in a while and he is still more popular N' powerful than all these Fuckin' Arseholes.

GO AXL : ok:

Mick Wall is a great journalist who know's his stuff.  He may have written a lot of GnR related articles, but that's because he's probably the journalist who knew them all better than anyone else.

Do you know that he's still friendly with all the other members of GnR?  Slash, Izzy etc... Do a bit of your own research before you slag him off.  I have books and articles by Mick Wall and not one of them is bad.

I have the article that Axl slagged Mick off in Get In The Ring over, and it's not half as bad as Axl thought.  And plus, he said it all.  Don't for one second believe that Mick Wall (a fucking highly respected and liked -by many musicians- member of the press) made shit up about Axl.  I am 100% confident that everything Mick wrote, Axl said.

I'll buy this one.

What's your problem? I never criticized his writing style. I've also read his book (not too bad) and all the articles he's written about the band since the beginning.  And yes I know he's still friends with Slash, so please get off your high horse.
But over the last 10 years, he's done god knows how many articles about Axl, and they all basically repeat the same things over and over. That is a fact, you can hardly deny it.  Whether what he writes happened or not, he must have a serious bug up his ass.

Who knows?  Mabey it will cause Axl to make his voice heard.  The silence from the GNR camp has been quite long.

And yet he is writing about the last one he and his friends are friendly with?
I got the impression that it might not  be unbiased.
I don?t consider any one-sided journalism great.  They are usually harmful to the gullible readers and the society.

me not like

Has anyone read the article yet? When's it out?

Mick Wall?  As in the guy who gets bashed in Get in the ring, yea, that'll be an objective article!!

It depends who he interviews and who he quotes.  I believe it was the SPIN magazine that quoted Erin Everly from court saying Axl thought he had the souls of his dead dogs transferred.  Now that was from an under oath testimony.  But if Mick Wall just has a bunch of anonymous quotes I am not going to beileve every word he says.

Fantastic. Your cheque's in the mail.

Wouldn't it be better to add to the conversation and say why you don't like it? Hmm?

Seems like Mick Walls not the only one at it.

This weeks Kerrang - front cover headline 'Slash slams Axl'.  ::)

Basically its an interview between Morat (famous UK journalist) and Slash. In it Morat grills Slash about the tantrums, late shows, no shows, riots etc. He argues that Axl couldn't cope with him and Izzy being of their tits, when he was sober.

Come on Axl, lets hear what you have to say!  :rant:

Axl will have his say when he releases the album. and as much as i love slash and the other ex. members that quit. they won't have a thing to say. they know his genius, and are spouting out shit now, before the album is out, cause it's easier to take shots now. they know that it will be an amazing album, and when it's out, they will look stupid. and somewhere deep down inside, they wish they never left. and they know, they can't come back... so they take their shots. i mean, if axl was talking shit, then yea, then i could understand, but it's like, get over it slash, you left, its been what? 9 years... let it go.

blah blah fuckin blah...  :smoking:

damn Slash is at it again eh?

well, NO ONE can say shit if/when Axl replies in like manner
keep digging Slash... keep digging  :hihi:

If I'm not mistaken, that Spin issue was from '99.  Maybe you could still order it through the company if they have any back-issues left over...

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=71




/jarmo

If Slash is slamming Axl for walking off stage, riots etc he has every right to. I watched Axl walk off after 4 songs in Manheim, Germany in 1991 and Slash was left on stage in front of 75,000 irate fans apologising and promising to get back on stage ASAP. Jesus, can you accept even ONCE that Axl deserved some criticism for putting his feelings above the safety and well being of his band and 75,000 people who had paid a fortune to see him.
Also, regarding Slash not acknowledging Axl is a genius, bullshit. He said some great things about Axls abilities and presence as a front man in Behind the Music. Be fair people.

There is one quote in the article that I thought spoke volumes. Whether it was Axl's psyche at the time, or what seems to be a permanent creed with him:

"Why would he want to walk away?
"Why would I want to stay?" he snapped back. "I've had a Number 1 record, I've learned to work a stadium...All I want now is to get this next record done. If we can pull this thing off, if we do it right, it'll be five years before we have to make another album."

I mean, granted, if this is coming from Mick Wall, do take with caution. Still, using the past tense ("had"), using "we", and then marking a term of 'five years'.

Going by this quote, there's no doubt in my mind that Chinese Democracy will DEFINITELY come out. Someone of this caliber and psyche (look at Stanley Kubrick, look at Howard Hughes) will not let something die off. It will only see the light of day if all of Axl's terms are accomodated, not before.

When? Better check with Axl's psychic, not him.

I don't care what Slash thinks he has the right to 'slam' Axl for... ?whether it be Axl's behavior 14 years ago or whether it be for being the only one he believes there is to blame for the the 'breakup' ... or whether it be because he 'knows for a fact' that Axl only has vocals recorded for 2 songs for the new album...

All i said was if/when AXL has something to say about Slash... there should not be a huge outcry like "oh Axl is a loser cuz he is STILL talking about Slash...e tc... etc... He's living in the past... etc. etc... he's trying to get attention by talking about the old band... he's starting shit with Slash... etc."
(although I'm sure IF Axl said anything that is what we would hear)

Congrats to Slash on getting 'Front Cover' for slamming Axl ?: ok:
Are you so dumb that you don't see that you are just feeding the vultures off your own fucking carcass?

Sorry but its so frustrating to see Slash continue to beat 'his boy' down... ? In the end it only tells about himself though doesn't it?

The problems that Axl's eratic behavior caused were not intentional nor due to any lack of caring about the fans.
Slash is quick enough to point out how this or that effected him and how it sucked for the fans and quick to make Axl out to be an asshole that didnt' care about them (the other bandmembers) or the fans - ?thing is that Slash doesn't know what it took for Axl to get out there on stage and Slash doesn't know what pressure Axl felt and Slash doesn't appreciate what Axl was going through - how could he then - he was too wasted.
Is he still? ?Why can he not fucking get it through his head that Axl did not act that way or put them through this or that because he was simply being an asshole?! ?Why can he not take his snyd comments about Axl being 'mental' a bit more to heart and understand that it was a real fucked up time for Axl and it was very hard for him to be going though the shit he was going through personally yet still be such a huge public figure and have all these 'kids' looking up to him -- and have he media tearing HIM apart and at the same time know that NO ONE understood him - no one - not even the guys who were supposed to be his best friends.

I was not there as and we were not there as someone will be quick to point out - so what do we have to go by? ?Simply thier words that tell the story. ?Axl's story is one in which he reveals what he was going through - offering these not as an excuse but as somewhat of an explanation. ?Slash's story is one in which he simply paints Axl as an egotistical asshole who didn't give a shit. ?Based on that I don't see Slash having any understanding of his former friend. ?

listen... enough I suppose
you Intercourse say "jesus can't I accept that Axl deserved some criticism"
sure... I understand that his actions caused him to be open to criticism
what I don't think is that anyone - including Slash - should judge him so harshly ignoring the circumstances and without considering what his intentions were or were not

In short I hate that Slash makes him out to simply be an asshole
Now that is fucked up.
Why does he do it? ?
What is he gonna accomplish by doing that?

You can bet your sweet ass on that  : ok:

Eva,
Put the shoe on the other foot.
I
Can you imagine what it is like to be left in front of 70,000 people with no fucking singer every few weeks and the pressure it put THEM under.
Imagine what it is like to hear the booing in the stadium knowing you are THREE HOURS late on stage and the singer has not decided to even go on yet.
Think abkout it, his oldest friend Izzy has NEVER joined a band with a lead singer since.
I don't blame them for being angry at all!!

Whatever spin you want to put on this, it's just rock and roll, singing a few fucking songs, it is not spinal surgery. Get out there, be a fucking man and DO YOUR JOB. There are thousands of people out there in our world  fighting to make a living under savage circulmstances and they don't have the luxury of just bailing on everybody because they need to talk to their therapist. If he couldn't do it he should have just scrapped the tour.  You cannot say that there was no support mechanism in the band because we can see how Slash and Duff supported Axl in the press back then  despite the problems he created. In fact Slash acknowledged that Axls problems gave him his incredible edge as a front man in the 'Behind the Music' documentary.

Besides, Axl has been in 'therapy' for 15 years now and the chap still cannot deliver, he still walks off.  Maybe its time to accept that he doesn't want to be helped. I have never read a statement from Axl apologising for anything bad that has happened either in the last band or the new one. He blames EVERYBODY else: from managers to promoters to departing band members for the woes in Guns. Don't get me wrong, I am here everyday because of the burn he put on my musical soul, I worship the mans work, but for fucks sake, if it looks like shit, smells like shit then it IS shit.
Accountability and a set of balls PLEASE!!!
Intercourse.

Axl deserves all the shit that is being thrown his way.  He's the Micheal Jackson of the rock world (minus the molestation thing!).  But even Jackson has had some new material out unlike Asshole Rose.

WHY?????????????????????????????????????????????

Intercourse...
I understand... I understand that it sucked for them when Axl was late or left early or couldn't go on.
Your choice of words here: ?"and the singer has not decided to even go on yet" seems to indicate you view his actions were by choice.
This is an important distinction... ?Was it simply a matter of Axl deciding whether he wanted to go on or not OR was it a matter of his being able to go on or not.

Their frustation recalling those times is understandable and I am not saying they aren't entitled to expressing it.
Again, what bothers me is that Slash talks like Axl just made these decisions willy nilly without giving a shit about them or the fans -
- in other words he makes Axl out to just be some sort of asshole. ?Why does he do this?

If Slash acknowledged Axl's problems int the past, then why does he now want simply to make Axl out to be an asshole?
 
Whatever happened to the understanding that enabled there to be this "support mechanism" which you speak of?

Axl did his best to fill his obligation to the band and the promoters and to the fans who bought tickets WHILE at the same time going through major personal crisis. ?
To say it wasn't good enough and that he should have just quit IMO is rather ungrateful.
He did the best he could. ?Either you accept and appreciate that or you don't. ?

As far as your commeents about Axl not delivering and your views on why he hasn't... ?
- while it is a fact that the new album has not been released... any speculation on WHY it hasn't been released yet is just that - speculation.
Its not as simple as saying "if it looks like shit, smells like shit... etc"


Thats a funny demand if you think about it...
It can be said that to be accountable is to answer to others ...
AND
it can be said that to have balls is to answer to noone but yourself . ?
:hihi:

we could go back and forth on this...
Bottom line is either you think Axl was/is an asshole or you don't.

Plain and simple.... I don't.
And that is even with 'putting the shoe on the other foot' etc.
and that is why I don't like when Slash talks shit about him /'slams' him / makes him out to be an asshole who didn't/doesn't give a shit about his bandmates or his fans.
Thats bullshit.  And if/when the time comes and Axl replies - don't be surprised if Axl has some 'anger' of his own to express about this.

Hi Eva,

Thanks for the excellent reply.
In response to:

it's axl rose we're talking,

we're not gonna eat fonzie's pussy, so don't expect him to behave to much or care about how you should behave appropiate...? ?:P your still human, huh?



many think it sucks that people are as they are adn bitch about it like mick wall- he writes about whats negative about axl mostly, imo,
-not so good journalism... but sure intrestin to read and pic-stuff :D

if you think it's disrespectful for performers to behave like axl, then blame companies and coorpatives that presentin these people and puttin them outhere...? : ok:
most performers are who they are anyway, it's the companies who are inappropiate in that way, i think :-\?

... true to his own spirit - not a boyband-boy, hm?? ;)

what do you mean?? ???


agree that slash may have reason to be bitter because of axl, and the impact his act had on his life
but if it was so bad why didn't he cut all association with people he doesen't like?? ?:confused:

he knew this b4 and should not make deals as a bandmember in a band who's conseqvenses he later won't stand for,
-when he knew then these events may occure,


late shows, no shows, riots etc. ok slash does not wan't to be associated to that? axl's fault maybe, but group responsebillety, and buisnessmen presentin them,
- do not be a part of a social group if can't stand up 4 stuff that happens,? :peace:

guess that's gnr 4 ya :hihi:

hey, love to read a axl book :D what would the name be?

hey, love to read a axl book :D what would the name be?



possible book titles...

- the garden... or... "suckers" (dedicated to the fans)

So you are drawing a conclusion that Slash n Duff shouldn?t have worked with such an asshole in the first place? What else can you expect from an asshole?

ppbebe,
That is not what I was talking about at all. I was calling Eva on her assertions that she hates Slash because makes out that Axl is an asshole all the time which I just don't think this is true. I was also debating with her about where Axl is in the blame stakes and the fact that I think both parties have a part in this not just Axl or just Slash.

exatctly, they should stand up for eachother when it comes to the past

they're just as responsible for the bad reputation the band got as any in the band
exept for izzy who backed away,  : ok: imo anyway

but mick wall maybe make a bash-axl article for the hundreth time is sooo uncool

gonna listen to get in the ring now :beer: have a good one :peace:

Youre forgetting that Slash isnt alone...

Ask Izzy. or Steven.  Or Matt.  Or Duff, for that matter (although hes been far more polite about it).  Or a ton of other people (fans, Metallica, journalists, etc.).


What exactly are you talking about?  Slash saying that Axls responsible for the breakup?  Slash calling Axl fucked-up?  Thats not saying "Axls just an asshole, thats why."  Completely different concepts.  If Slash is saying that Axls fucked-up, flaky or out there, which most agree he is, thats not simply calling him an asshole.  Not "being able" (  ::)) to go on-stage is part of being "fucked-up."

And its not just Axls unbelievably difficult struggle to perform Slash and others base their opinions on - Its off-stage antics, business dealings, etc. 


He already has replied...It seems you guys always get convenient amnesia when it comes to interviews/rants that occurred before Dec. 6th, 2002. 

By the way, has this article even been read by anybody?  I imagine it was since everyone seems to know what Slash said...Id be interested if someone could share its content.  :peace:

Couldn't have put it better myself Booker.
 cheers,
Would a list of wrongs by each party make things easier? I sometimes wonder that despite your talent for laying down your arguments clearly I see people mixing fact with their long held personal opinions here and making them new facts when taking you on. I find it astounding that people cannot apportion any blame to Axl and love to bag on Slash.
Intercourse

Now Booker is leading to the conclusion that they shouldn?t have worked with such an asshole.
Yeah, I don?t know why ppl like Lars like him. :yes:
Ok. Since Eva seems to just hate their slander against Axl (see how she doesn?t criticize BH), which is perhaps because of her love for the old band and you defend them bad mouthing, I thought otherwise.
Basically I?m a fuckin new gun?s supporter now that I?m somewhat indifferent towards how VR men speak ill of their oldfriend's past. To me, What Robin, Tommy, Brain and so on say is far more important.

I think some people try to hard to understand and accept Axl and just go blind on everything else, there's some behavior that just cant be defended. Please dont let the love for the man blind you so obviously.

oh lord

I have discussed all these issues before... anyone who has been on ths board in the past year (or longer) has read my views on all the things that have been brought up here...

read:  http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=12227.msg216004#msg216004 (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=12227.msg216004#msg216004)
read: http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=12550.60

its really tiring arguing the same things over and over
Slash blames Axl... Axl says Slash can suck his dick... Duff says they wrote the music without Axl... Izzy says Axl was hitler...
etc. ?etc.. etc.. blah.. blah.. blah

Intercourse - I have specifically expressed my opinion/views on everything you have asked about in your reply.
If you (or anyone else) are interested read the above linked threads and others in my posting history. ?You, Intercourse, seem to enjoy my posts - so you may actually enjoy reading those also. ?: ok:

Regarding my comment: Bottom line is either you think Axl was/is an asshole or you don't. (http://Bottom line is either you think Axl was/is an asshole or you don't.)
I still stand by that.

Your reply does not answer that question. ?
Sorry if you believe that your answer to that is contained in your reply - it is not clearly stated.

BookerFloyd - you should answer me the same question.
Do you think Axl is an asshole or not?
Don't tell me whether you think he is/was 'fucked up' or not - as you point out that is not the same thing.
Do you think Axl was/is an asshole who didn't/doesn't give a shit about his bandmates or the fans?

If you appreciate/understand/like Slash's comments over the years about Axl - that's your perogative.
I don't. ? As for the article in which features the cover title "Slash slams Axl" or Mick Wall's article...
I haven't read 'em and don't expect to. ?Anyting 'new' that is brought out in these articles I'm sure will be posted about here...
though I don't expect to hear any revelations / anything new from either Slash or Mick Wall about Axl.
Same ol' same ol'.


Thank you ppbebe!!  someone understand what I was saying!!  : ok:
I did state clearly more than once in this thread times that I hate/don't like what they say/how they portray Axl.   : ok:


BookerFlyod - I don't have convenient amnesia.
when i said...
 ... I am obviously speaking about Axl replying in the future regarding recent/current/post 2002 Slash/Duff comments about Axl. ?
 
You can't say that Axl's comments in 2002 (or prior) were in reply to comments Slash has made in 2003, 2004, 2005... ?;)

and
Walapino...   because I don't think Axl is an asshole I am blind?

You keep referencing this "asshole/doesnt care about the fans" thing as if its what Slash is saying.  Now if youre conceding that Slash hasnt said these things (and I dont believe he has), why are we discussing them?  If youre just curious, I suggest making a seperate thread - one in which Slashs opinions/quotes arent being discussed.  It would save some of us some confusion.


And like I just pointed out, its not just Slashs opinions.  Yes, I certainly understand Slashs comments.  I actually just read the 2002 Press Realease interview and the 2000 Rolling Stone article, and its Axls comments I dont get.  But thats for another thread...

I dont know what you wouldnt understand about Slashs (and Izzys, and Stevens, and Matts, and so on..) comments. 


Oh...so youre upset with Slashs comments...and you havent read them.  I see.
 

What "slander?" 


No, but his comments from 1999 to 2002 were made "in response" (they really didnt respond to anything) to Slashs comments prior.  No difference, really.

[I think Axl himself has beaten us all to the punch by declaring himself and asshole on mnay occaisions.

Also Eva,
you too have avoided some points I made, including:

Regarding not caring about his fans.
Why come on three hours late because of 'personal trauma' ? Bono buried his father on a Friday and played two sold out and amazing gigs in Ireland the Saturday and Sunday. He almost cried on stage but did himself proud.

Why walk off because one guy keeps taking your picture (St. Louis)? What about the other 75,000 well bahaved fans who have waited hours to see you play?

Why walk off because your band makes an ass of Patience (Detroit 2002), that's the bands fault not the fans?

Why walk off because your monitors don't sound good, that's your engineers faut, not your fans, yet guess who gets the shitty end of the stick again?

Why not come out and tell your fans how you feel, where you are and what's going on with the album instead of two years of silence?


I cannot see ANY love for the fans in those actions so please feel free to justify them.

Intercourse.

 :hihi:

I dont appreciate/understand/like Axls comments on Axl!

most agree? what group does 'most' comprise? Brian May said very nice things, Josh Freeze too, Robin, Tommy, Zakk....and many more. Axl is very often portrayed as a polite, down to earth person; but he is also very private. Your statement is too much of a generalization to be true.

I think you have understand there are alot of people who have very extreme opinions on the man which is understandable for someone who does not interact with too many people.

Some people can't stand that there are still people who have immense faith and respect for Axl Rose. It's going to be quite hilarious when Axl delivers and those people will be left in the dust, looking like imbeciles :)

Nope...

You dont get it...I want Axl to succeed.? So if/when he does, Ill be just as happy as you guys.? For now, Im frustrated that he doesnt deliver.?

Certain fans mustve looked like imbeciles on Dec. 6th, huh?


Those fans and artists who can take into account his erratic behavior, canceled shows, and canceled tours, not to mention unusual new age beliefs and tons of other allegations that dont need to be mentioned.  I think you know as well as I that Axl is eccentric.  Its no secret.  And the guys that matter most, in my opinion - his former band - have all painted a similar picture.  Of course that doesnt mean hes never nice, or always acting crazy.  But all I have to do is look at history to justify Slash referring to Axl as "fucked-up," or difficult to work with, or whatever.

Why would fans look like imbeciles? That weekend was one of the worst ever for Guns N Roses fans, almost like something special died. I don't think anyone had egg on their faces other than members of the band and its management. I too am disappointed we have had no movement in two years, but I am not losing sleep at this point. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, well the music world will survive.

Ask the original poster...Im pointing out that its silly to say that more cynical fans will look like idiots when Axl delivers (despite being right for however many years), while the 'believers' who trust that hell come through were obviously mistaken on Dec. 6th.  Axl himself said proving the naysayers wrong got him misty-eyed...and then he proved them right.  :-\


No need to tell me, I was right there ducking the airborn beers and sodas.


According to TiedHands logic, so did the fans who had faith in Axl.


Neither am I.  In fact, my anticipation for CD is lower than ever.  Ill be thrilled should it come out, but at this moment, I honestly dont care very much.

Zakk Wylde has said bad things about Axl too. Supposedly Axl backtracked and lied about the conditions of joining the band. A few years afterwards, Zakk said he kicked Axl out of a party in front of other musicians, with no objection from anyone. That was the last time they spoke.

He also said Axl didnt have vocal melody ideas for any songs GNR were working on.

Not to sound too serious, but in life, generally, you have to fight for things that you want. What fun is it just to say 'oh well, looks like we're not gonna be getting it" and just making it a non-issue. This is a GNR forum, after all. What's the point in posting here if you're expectations are low? It would be a lot easier for me if I had the ability to just forget about it and say 'well, it'll come out whenever'. We all need something to look forward to...

why you call axl cracy and eccentric?

some says he has bad child luggage and that can make problem behavior and hauntin negative mood-
-but seems far from delsuional or mad, ? :P

does anyone know if it's online already (the article)

would be cool if he wrote a book sometime, what a trip :D

you sure he was talkin about fans :headscratch: hmm...? :idea: not?? :P

cool mags still get rich writin about axl ?:beer:

i think the main point its that GNR was a Rock band and when you start getting success and working together all the time you get sick of each other , and more when you are so creative , they can say 50 different things but i think they were just sick of beeing together and having to "understand" the other guy .  the Ego of 5 guys that are so famous will create problems  and that happened i think.

Read my original reply in this thread:

and i also said
why all the hub-bub?
Slash can make headlines "slamming" Axl and whoever enjoys it - that's their choice.
I don't like it.? I don't understand WHY he does it.? And I don't appreciate it.
Whats so hard to understand about that?



You didn't answer my question.? (Do you think Axl is an asshole or not?)

Yet, I will reply to your inquiry.? I did not quote Slash as calling him an asshole.
I only stated my opinion that the way that Slash has spoken about Axl portrays him as such...
and that I don't understand WHY he does that...
and that I don't appreicate or like it.

whats to argue about that.
its the way i feel.

now back to my question to you.
Do you think Axl is an asshole?


The post in his thread that I replied to said that there was an front cover headline "Slash slams Axl"
I never claimed to have read the article.? My comments regarding how Slash has portrayed Axl are obviously based on comments which Slash has made regarding Axl on other occastions - not based on any comments in an article that I did not read.?Obviously.? So your commnt does not make sense.?



Huh??
Like I already said:? How can Axl's comments from 2002 or prior be made in response to anything that Slash has said in 2003, 2004, 2005...?
What you're saying still doesn't make any sense.

EDIT:  oh you are saying that Axl has replied in the past to things slash said prior.
ok.  that is not the same as what you said in the first place.
and neither of your comments constitue my having selective amnesia ANYWAY

That doesn't answer my question to you.? ?Do you think Axl is an asshole?

I'm asking you Intercourse - Do you think/feel/believe that Axl is an egotistical asshole who doesn't give a shit about his bandmates or the fans?


I didn't avoid anything.? I did say that it is tiring to argue about the same things many times over.?
I referred you to threads in which I addressed much of what you asked about.

Perhaps the things you are asking again were not addressed



You keep saying how you think Axl should have/could have handled certain situations.? That is neither here nor there.
The question remains as I asked you - Do you think he came on three hours late because he is an asshole who didn't give a shit about his fans?


First of all - read this article:? http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/articles/showarticle.php?articleid=59
and again.. answer me the question:? Do you think his actions were because he is asshole who didn't give a shit about his bandmates or the fans?


Do you believe that the answers to these questions is that Axl is an asshole who doesn't give a shit about his fans?



What it takes for him to perform... what upsets him or his performance...
how or when he chooses to communicate with the fans...
We are not in a position to fully understand the hows and why's of how Axl is.
Personally, I don't need to know - Axl has honestly opened up enough to earn my respect and for me to believe in his good intentions and? to have faith in his ability to overcome his 'demons'.

Let he is who is without 'demons' cast the first stone.? ;)

He is human.? If he is too human for you (not you Intercourse - I use 'you' to mean anyone)
then it is your perogative to feel however you wish to.

If you Intercourse think/feel/believe Axl is an asshole/ doesn't care about the fans/ fucked over his bandmates etc...
then really - it is obviously a personal belief that you have concluded based on what you have observed/heard etc.
Litlle ol' me is not going to change your mind about that - that is your personal feelings.
What can I say?? *shrugs*
Not everyone sees things the same way.
 :peace:

I'll say it Eva.  I am not afraid to say that Axl is an asshole for not showing up for concerts, being late, leaving a show after 3 songs and many more things.  I mean just because he is Axl Rose it doesn't give him the right to do those things.  I mean why can't you admit that.  And yes he doesn't care for his fans.  In Montreal in 92 the guy leaves after 3 songs and causes a riot.  He doesn't show up for other gigs during the illusion tour and the 2002 tour.  And oh yes the guy has been promising an album for the last 5 or 6 years and nothing.  Not even a press release.  Do all those things make him an asshole.  I am sorry but yes it does.  Does it take away his talent.  Nope!!!!  As for Slash always bashing Axl.  Well lately yes he has been bashing Axl.  Why???  Who knows and more importantly who cares?  I have never seen a Slash interview where he doesn't change his mind.  I mean one day he says Axl is a genius and that when he releases the album it will be great.  The day after Axl is close to being a devil.  One day he says he would go back to GnR if Axl would get rid of his demons.  The next day he says there is no chance in hell.  So in a way Slash is an asshole for always changing his story.  And by the way since that he bitches about Axl in every interview he does lately.  That only tells me one thing.  He would go back in GnR in a heartbeat but just won't admit it.  I wrote this comment because the way you sound in your posts anything Axl does we should all just forgive him just because it is Axl.  Like you said.  The guy is human just like each one of us.  Peace my friend because in the end we are all fans of one of the greatest bands ever.  :)

that was for the european tour i think, gnr did not fuck up the NA -tour either, the plug got pulled or something :headscratch:

IS slash hurt since axl don't wanna be his friend anymore? someone already read?
maybe mick wall too :P
IS the thing already online? links please,
we'll see some more gnr-pics at least :beer:

Mick Walls sounds like a wierdo.

Because if the roles were reversed there would be an outcry on these boards

And because of that inconsitency with Slash I am able to take into account what Axl says about the whole band situation with much more ease than others....not the whole well 5 guys are saying 1 thing and 1 guy is saying otherwise....

If you decide to go on tour and advertise by saying 'hey, pay money to see me perform on this day at this venue' you are essentially entering an unspoken agreement with everyone that purchased a ticket stating that you will show up and put on a show worthy of the money they have spent to see you. By deciding not to show up or to walk off without giving your fans their money's worth then you have failed to hold up your end of the bargain.

Fuck the idea that Axl doesn't owe anyone anything. It is true that he doesn't own anyone anything regarding chinese democracy, but when people are paying money for something and not getting what they are promised (ie: purchasing a concert ticket does indeed entitle you a full and well-performed concert) then you most certainly owe your fans some kind of compensation in the way of an explanation, a refund, etc. This goes for any performing band, Axl included.

If Axl is willing to make every concert on the Chinese Democracy tour a free concert then he is free to indulge every crybaby primadonna tantrum that he can possible muster. No money, no guarantees. You show up and get what you get, and Axl doesn't ever have to explain himself. Problem solved.  ;D

These concepts arent mutually exclusive.  Axl can be a genius and release great music and still be close "to the devil" (dont recall that quote).  If Slash said "Axls a genius" and then said "Axls really not that talented," perhaps youd have a point.  But Slash, and even Matt who clearly doesnt care much for Axl,  has always maintained that Axls an extraordinary talent.


Thats a feeling that could easily change according to circumstances, but even so Slashs point has always been pretty consistent.  He doesnt see Axl changiing, or accepting the idea anyway, so it wont happen.  And now that time has passed and he has VR, its become more definite.


 :confused:

Okay...


...Or hes continually asked about it and answers honestly. 

all refunds\compensations to the ticketbuyers should be provided back to you by whom you bought it from, ?: ok:
 
compensation from any performing band is a internal issue and these matters is not ticketbuyers buisness...

many performers still feels obligated to share this info to fans as the ticketproviders often doesn't give statements regarding cancelled or aborted shows,

gnr did this :yes:

axl has a criminal record caused by his behaviour, and has a history 4 bein involved with riots and anarchistic events that may not benefit people attendin the shows-
-know this b4 you gonna use your money which is your responsebillety and not the performin band, ?;)

yes i still have the ticket for the oslo gig (guess i'm a gambler :hihi: ) that were slated for 2001, ?:-\
sucks, but axl is not the one who should refund it, ?:P it's the ticketservice, -

-and the ones compensatin them is a internal issue, as said above

mick wall is likely gonna wine about axl 4 the hundreth time instead of makin a positive article,
sooo unexpected ::)

They should rather write about his vocals, the screamin, the players skills technics and equipment, the fact that axl is the only original member left and music direction -
-which is better music journalism imo and more oriantated to music and entertainment? :)

notoric breakin the law that singer, ?::) must be frustratin to you :confused: feels better to wine i guess-
-but not as cool for the rest of us to read who deals with this better : ok: (not nessesarly pointed at you MV)? :peace:


i belive he is very dedicated to makin good music and performances and appreciate the recognition he gets from fans who likes it :yes:

so cool, agree :) good one :beer:

is the article already online somewhere?

Ok, Bono is Bono, not Axl Rose. ?

Why does or doesn't Axl do all these things? ?Because he is Axl fucking Rose, and believe it or not, this is why I love the guy. ?Everytime Axl does shit like this, in my mind, he is more bad ass. ?He does whatever the fuck he wants to, and nobody's going to get in his way. ?There are very few people like this in this world today. ?I personally think this is why a lot of people like him. ?I went to the Tacoma WA show in 2002. ?The show right after Vancouver got cancelled. ?There were tons of Vancouver fans who came down for the show. ?Now, why would they do that after what Axl did to them? ?Because with all the shit that Axl pulls, people still love him. ?

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Ok, Bono is Bono, not Axl Rose. ?

Why does or doesn't Axl do all these things? ?Because he is Axl fucking Rose, and believe it or not, this is why I love the guy. ?Everytime Axl does shit like this, in my mind, he is more bad ass. ?He does whatever the fuck he wants to, and nobody's going to get in his way. ?There are very few people like this in this world today. ?I personally think this is why a lot of people like him. ?I went to the Tacoma WA show in 2002. ?The show right after Vancouver got cancelled. ?There were tons of Vancouver fans who came down for the show. ?Now, why would they do that after what Axl did to them? ?Because with all the shit that Axl pulls, people still love him. ?



Yea, because of morons like you, Axl & his fanboys worshipers are considered a joke by anyone with half a brain. The more he shits on you, the more you love it & ask for more. No wonder axl hold his "fans" in such low regard. You're a bunch of doormats. Don't worry, Axl will keep treating you & your ilk like garbage, so he'll still be "badass" in your pathetic little axl worshiping world.

Moron, pathetic?? Now why do you have to go and say things like that?

Yeah, I love Axl.? Because of everything he has done.? His stage presence, his style, his voice, his writing, his fuck you attitude, his rythem, his bandana, his tight shorts, his kilt, his perfectionism, etc.? I could go on and on.? He is #1 in my book.? When I listen to Rock N Roll, I don't need some lame ass nice guy up there doing just what people like you want.? I don't need someone to be my friend.? What I need is someone who breaks the rules, takes me away from the everyday world.? Sorry for really really really liking one of the best frontmen of all time.

Sorry dude

One more thing providman.  Would you say that Axl is shitting on his fans right now as we speek?  By not talking to us, letting us know what is going on in the GNR world?  By not coming out with this album that was rumored to be coming out as early as 4 or so years ago?  I'm pretty sure that you would say that he's definately up to his old tricks, and shitting on his fans.  Well if this is the case, then why are you still here "asking for more"?  Are you a moron?  Or are you pathetic?