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The Station: 97.7 HTZ-FM out of St. Catherines, ON
The Time: 12/30/04 around 2pm EST

The news/rumor:

The guy on the radio said that allegedly Axl heard Contraband and was pissed that the album could actually be halfway decent so he is going to go back into the studio to lay down tracks. Then the DJ went on to say, "yeah, like we haven't heard that at all over the past 12 years." Then he said that he hopes it happens and that 2005 looks to be year of the comeback with hopefully GnR, Motley Crue, Judas Priest and Pink Floyd (with Roger Waters but even the DJ was extremely skeptical of this one).


Its really nothing new but it was a mention and the DJ never said where he got his info from. Only that Axl heard Contraband and was pissed about it because it was actually decent and it supposedly motivated him to make his own songs better. I'm sure the DJ didn't just make it up but who knows how reliable his source is or whether its just word of mouth.

I wouldn't worry to much about this.? If he were going to listen to Contraband I don't think it would've taken him this long to do it.

Bullshit. Everyone knows that Contraband sucks.  :hihi:

Sure, we all know that DJs are the most knowledgeable people out there  ::)

his songs were already a million times better than contraband  : ok: :P

hey, be honest, that's not that difficult.

I wish they would be, but they are not  :no:

I wish they would be, but they are not? :no:

Shut up. Contraband as we all know is utter shit and Velvet Revolver were overhyped from day one. I have heard all the knew songs and they do sound a million times better than contrabnad.

who cares what mikkamakka thinks, just look at his sig, his perception of Guns N' Roses is as biased as the history course (should I say brainwashed 101 course) he teaches in Hungary. Don't you have an intelligent socialist student to fail ?
get a life.

Thats from the song ''Pretty Tied Up''

I know that . :P

Usurper and Woody.  Just because Mikkamakka liked Contraband doesn't mean the guy is biased.  He has the right to his opinion.  Just because someone doesn't like or agree with everything Axl says or do doesn't mean they are biased.  I am not a big fan of VR myself but have to agree with Mikka that the new songs I heard from ol' Axl are not the best ones GnR ever did.  Personally I like Madagascar but everyone I know just can't seem to get to like it.  And some of them are big GnR fans.  Some people should just learn to respect other people's opinions.  I don't agree wit everything that comes from Axl but at the same time I don't blame him for everthing bad that happened in GnR.  And if someone happens to have a different opinion than me about things in GnR or Axl I just respect their opinions.

Axl doesnt give a fuck about contraband.  If anything he doesnt want the press about the 2 albums being out at the same time.

you couldnt wait one more day and make this a 2005 rumor?

Yup. Contraband was so crappy that it came out @ #1 and has yielded 2 #1 singles and major press.  ::)

Guys , everyone is entitled to an opinion , you think VR/Contraband sucks .. thats fine .. but there are millions of fans who dont think they suck .. I like both factions , VR and Axl's GNR and I like some of the songs from both camps. Is there some rule saying that if you are a slash fan you must hate axl or if you are an axl fan you must hate slash?

sadness.

I couldn't have said it better Saul.  Although I still maintain that I am not a fan of VR because well it just din't do it for me.  But I still like a couple of songs from them.

I've never seen VR in the MTV Top 20, and CERTAINELY NOT at #1. I've never heard or seen any VR singles on french radiostations or on french TV. If I were not on this board, I wouldn't know VR even exists. 99% here don't know who "Velvet Revolver" are.

#1 singles on "modern Rock" VH1 charts are insignifiant. It doesn't mean anything.
The real Chart is the MTV Top 20, it shows the best selling singles and albums in the world.

I like VR but I wouldn't consider this band as "popular" or "very successfull". They have success, ok, but that's not a Rock phenomenon ala GN'R 87-93. If it was the case, Contraband would have sold 10 million copies +, or 15 million copies+  but they are far, very far from that.

yea you're not familiar with that rule? jeez. it states: you must pick one of the two (Slash or axl) to like and then you cannot acknowledge anything positive from the other. similarly, you must try to nitpick at everything the other one does and ignore similar transgressions of your choice. Also, the other person is 100% responsible for breaking up guns n roses, and you must admit that he had no part in the success of the original lineup (for those albums must be viewed as the work of individuals, not of a band as a whole). addendum: dizzy, steven, matt, duff, and izzy fans must be treated as crazy and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. they are clearly wrong in who they choose to like, and everyone can agree on this.

on a side note, i completely agree with you. back on topic: thanks for posting the rumor. who knows- it might be true, it might not. interesting to read at least. happy new year everyone!

The #1 singles were on the Billboard mainstream/modern rock charts. Rock songs don't make the charts for the most part on MTV or the main billboard charts as they are dominated by rap and R&b. A #1 single on the rock charts is about the best a rock band not named Lincoln Park can hope for right now.

because Rock music isn't ROCK music anymore. That's a long story but, if Rock music isn't the #1 music in the world it's because most of Rock bands over these last 10 years haven't been that great. In the early 90's, Rock Music dominated the world, one week it was GN'R, the other week it was U2, the other one it was Nirvana, the other one it was REM etc...I mean most of 90's Rock classic albums were released between 1991 and 1993: the illusions, archtung baby, nevermind, black album, ten, etc... there was quality.

It's your opinion. Mine is diefferent, but I don't tell you anything like 'shut up' or 'fuck off'. Grow up lil boy.


ooops, have you noticed that we don't live under socialism? For 14 years... Please update yourself. And I don't know what does my nationality has to do with anything? Are you racist? Now you've gone too far.? :rant:

And you might have heard Pretty Tied Up and you know that Izzy wrote this GN'R song about GN'R. What a surprise. Sorry, I'm a fan since 1989 and I saw them losing their edge during the UYI tours, and as you surely know, this sig originally refelcted to GN'R state in 1990-1991. But you know that it has become a real joke for now. Quite sad, I still believe that Axl is incredible and I hope that someday CD will come out and meet the expectations. I'm afraid you are who is biased.

I'll take Slither and Sucker Train Blues over Madagascar and the Blues any day of the week.  Contraband doesn't suck.  Disappearing from the public and giving them nothing....that sucks.

I understand that, I was just answering your questions about why you haven't seen their singles on MTV at #1. In today's musical climate, they have done about all a middle aged rock band can do in terms of chart position.

i personally dont understand how anyone on this site can say that contraband sucks if they are gnr fans, it is the closest thing to gnr that we have or might ever get again.  in my opinion the album is very good and to compare it to what we have from new gnr i would say the blues and maddy are better then anything on cb but the last 5 tracks on cb i feel are awsome and are better then anything else gnr gave us(rhiad silkworms omg cd). the bottom line is to say vr sucks then you are making it a Mets and Yankees thing or a Axl and Slash thing it is stupid 

well i think its pretty safe to say axl has listened to contraband and its not like it'd be a big suprise or a big deal or anything since Axl has openly said that he's listened to the ex-members solo albums. . .somehow i highly doubt this DJ's story has much truth to it other then the fact that im sure axl has given it a listen

2 summers ago on the official VR site, someone posted a couple times that Axl heard Set Me Free and liked it, and told someone whos close to VR. Take that rumour for what its worth, but most people on that message board seemed to believe him.

Sterile debate....

But hey, any frustrations or bad feelings against Hungary/ Central Europe?  :nervous:

I would take bootlegs of Madagascar and the Blues over Slither and STB. I thought the Contraband album had some great ballads but the rockers bored me. It was a sideways movement in rock music from individuals who used to blaze the trails in the early 90s. At this stage in Slash's career, I expect more, not more of the same.

I know you don't live under socialism. I see you failed to understand my post. No biggy.
+I simply mentioned you live in Hungary, did I ever say Hungary sucks ? no. do you have some sort of complex? probably.

I'm not saying 'Contraband' is bad ( : ok:) but there are a lot more albums that have come out that would better inspire Axl to try to do some better material...

I think Madagascar alone is better than the entire album of Contraband.  This song alone is great, and one of the most epic songs ever created.  When Axl actually comes out with the album it will sell, amaze, and conquer the rock world.

Whatever you think of Hungary has nothing to do with the subject.




I wouldn't trust radio DJs too much. Most of them get their "news" from the Internet anyway.




/jarmo

Instead of jumping on contraband how about just saying the whole thing is bullshit with the dj. : ok:

why can't a gnr-fan don't like contraband? and the album isn't the closest thing to gnr what we got, only because 3 ex-members are part of it. if poeple don't like it, they don't like the sound of it, that doesn't have anything to do with slash VS. axl. VR just made an album which will  be forgotten after 5 years. well, maybe we remember the hype, but that's all.
ok, that was enough OT.

Contraband was a huge let down. slash always claimed he left gnr because axl was going in a different direction, slash wanted to make another AFD but instead of doing that he made an STP album, go figure.

Wow, a VR vs. GNR thread, who would've thunk it?

Very mature kids. Play nice.

This whole thread is an attempt to slam axl when everyone knows its bullshit.  What did you expect to get when you post something as dumb as this? Oh axl heard contraband and got scared it might do good. Well how long ago was contraband released? And the DJ is just saying this now?  ::)

Please, don't insult STP.

well your a fucking idiot...theyve had 2 number one singles on the MAINSTREAM rock charts not just VH1, they are played on music plus in quebec regularly, have had 1 number 3 and 1 number 1 song on the Much music countdown whcih is the equivilant to MTV in canada and theyve had one of teh best selling rock albums oif the year. Oh and about 99% of the board not knowing who they are, theres an entires ection devoted to them and this conversations about them, im sure someone has picked up they exist.

They dont have the best selling rock album of the year what are you talking about?

Not trying to piss anyone off but....

Greatest hits is the 10th best selling album of 2004

(Contraband isnt in the top 40)

thats cool : ok: hope both bands do well this year
especially the one this section is dedicated 4 :beer:

contraband is a half decent album  but it seemed kinda rushed.  It will be nothing compared to axl's masterpiece though

Well, I'm not sure it'll be a masterpiece.  Don't get me wrong, I can't wait to hear it, but I don't want to build myself up too much for the album, just to be let down if its not what I expected.  I love the blues, cd, but really don't care for madagascar, rhiad, or silkworms.  madagascar isn't a bad song, but its not really that rock and roll.  thats only my opinion, and i think its because i preferred the harder gnr stuff to some of the illusions material.  i enjoyed contraband, it did seem a little rushed, but they waited a year to find a singer and just wanted to get started.  i don't wanna stretch this thread further, but i think scotts lyrics sucked and cost them a good album... 

oh and like someone else said earlier, djs are the WORST source for news... we'll here news first, or at least rumblings of news.  they do get most of their material from websites, like blabbermouth.  and they like to lie or build things up for ratings, since it is their job. 

Please stop ripping contraband guys, axlsfriend is right. it also is the closest thing we have to GnR right now cuz the music scene right now SUCKS!! :nervous:

VR are not spectacular but they are a pretty good rock n' roll band and based on this current scene, they are one of the best rock bands right now.

back on topic, i hope the rumors are true, how cool would it be having two 80's rock gods, Motley Crue and Guns N' Roses make two huge comebacks this year???

 :D i like motley too,  don't think they release a whole album this year...
judas priest releases a new cd in february with their original singer :beer:

seems like good music comin our way this year, and hopefully chinese democracy : ok:

I'm amazed that this is surprising to anyone.  I mean Greatest Hits was the combined works of a band that had sold tens of millions of albums and owned rock in the late 80's/early 90's.  Damn right it should of sold well!  Contraband however is the debut album of 40 something rockers in leather and denim - hardly gonna set the teen scenes wallets trembling is it?

The success of the 2 albums can in no way be compared as they are setting out to achieve totally different objectives.

Dude, I wasn't trying to start a flame war. I was just posting what the guy on the radio said. I don't believe him but I doubt he'd just make it up without hearing it from somewhere so I posted it here becasue it was something that hadn't been posted yet. It was never my intention to start a flame war.

Oh well. I'll go back to lurking for another few years.

I absolutely agree with you. The quality of albums has gone down hill since I would say Blind Melons self titled debut. They're are not any more solos thats make you wanna headbang, they're are very few songs that you say outloud ''wow, now that was good'' It is very hard for a band with talent that is not singing about love or puppies or shit like that to have a number one. Still VR ain't as good as they say they are.................

Velvet revolver are the best rock band that have been out for ages  and there album is great.

btw axl has not made any good new songs since the use your illusiion times.

sphagetti is totally crap and what i have heard of these "new songs" are crap because all you can hear is keyboards.

are you saying Blind Melon sucks ??? cause its very far from it !  :rant: Soup is even better than Self-titled.

how the hell would a radio dj know what Axl rose listened too???

VR's record was good....  you cant compare it to CD coz you have never fucking heard CD and probably never fucking will,,,,

Does this look like the VR section?



/jarmo

Looks like the Deadhorse section to me.

I think it was meant that the Blind Melon album is the last great album to come out...

now thats bull shit man, even if it's your opinion, you should try to listen to the songs again....

i think contraband is great, but nothing colose to anything axl has had his hand on. fuck the hollywood rose demos could kick any song of contraband :P :-X

i agree that there has been alot of crap music in general, not just rock music though. it's all fast food, im surprised they don't offer you fries when you go to buy a cd now-a-days.

but i disagree that there hasn't been any good albums at all. i mean, IMO, i think the chili peppers are the best rock band out right now, and have been the last 10 years, their live stuff, and californication, along with by the way, blood sugar sex magic, and even one hot minute, great albums, IMO. i also think stereophonics have put out a couple of really good albums, maybe not the rock your looking for, but's it's definitely not shit. anyways, i could go on - but i know i will get sassed, saying that i should put this in the "bad obsession" section, under.."abum recomendations (mainstream)"

Yep, There are quite a few new bands and new releases I enjoy. Contra was just one of them and it?s not my fault I have put Elephant on my CD player more. I personally can?t see the necessity to compare VR songs to new gnr songs. And I don?t think the good old days all that great Either.

Don't forget to clean the wax out of your ears beforehand.  : ok:

are you saying Blind Melon sucks ??? cause its very far from it !? :rant: Soup is even better than Self-titled.


No, I love Blind Melon, I really do. I am just saying that the quality of albums and music in particular has gone downhill since the last really great album was put out *Blind Melon*. I think the reason for this is that musicians have become lazier over the last few years and most can't even play a solo or at most 5 chords. Hopefully CD will raise the bar on music. We might never know.