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What are the odds anything will be released in 2005 given that since 1986 we've had 10 years with a release and 9 years without ?  It doesn't seem like it's been that productive, but I guess they have had to release stuff...

i think the odds are better than ever!  :beer:

go ask uncle axl

For everyone that answers it must be this year, and gives us all of the corresponding reasons why, I should go back and bump the exact same threads from the past 2-3 years that gave the exact same reasons as to why this absolutely has to be the year.

Fact is all other issues aside, this album is not coming out until Axl says so. If he decides its not coming out, its not coming out. The mear passage of time doesn't make us any closer than we were 3-4 years ago, as it was the same issue then keeping it from coming out thats keeping it from coming out now....Axl. 

i'm as optimistic as ever.


which would be sort of.

Better than 2004...

true.. as more time passes, we're closer to the day it gets release..

i think this will finally be the year, of course i have said that for the last 4 years, but i feel much better about 05 than i ever did about 04

Even though I'm a pessimistic.... We got to hear the words "finished", "mixing" and "mastering" mentioned by various band members. So if I was taking bets on it, I'd lower the odds compared to a 2004 release.  :hihi:




/jarmo

i guarantee it will be released in 2005

i am so confident in fact that if it isnt i will take over SLC PUNK and gunner down under's jobs of manually masturbating zoo animals. :hihi: :hihi:

its coming folks!

ha!

i'm hopeful  :beer:

Notice I didn't mention Chinese Democracy...l

I agree that it will come out this year. If not 2005, then I guarantee we don't see it for another twenty years.

I know I've said it a million times before, but there is no way in blue hell that Geffen will go another year without making Axl sign his life away. They HAVE to release it in '05. They don't really have any choice if they are halfway smart...

I highly doubt itll come out  :'(

Axl has to release it before he turns 50 if he wants the rock gendre to consider him "cool". So that gives us about a 7 year window where i bet we see CD.

the album will never see the light of day unless axl dies

No it won't come out this year....

and it's "animal pleasure engineer"

thanks.

Lol true :D We can say that every year :D

just wanted you to know that my aunt (who thinks she predict future) said that upcomin year we will hear more material from the new gunsnroses album than what material is heard... ::)

uh, she talks funny sentences when she predict :headscratch:

but logically speakin...
when it's already mixed, mastered, everyone says it's done, the members says their part been finsihed 4 a while now

and the webpage that accordin to tommy that will appear over newyear- it's just likely that we'll see it this year

it will be so cool t finally hear it :peace:

Yep, Time is one-way, no one has a return ticket. :yes:

Not until the dimmest fan on earth opens his eyes. : ok:


Yet I?m extremely positive as usual.
Time is one-way, no one has a return ticket. Either stop or move forward.

Actually Geffen/Interscope have been funding Axl's big project for about 10 years and I don't think they will give him anymre money if it does not come out in April he will not be recieving ANOTHER 14 million dollars to make this album. Also Interscope own about 51% of the album and when they eventually get pissed off they will release the album, be it finished or not.

i think too, some new stuff at least, so they can give him more time to record
but i think most that it will be released soon without company forcing it, like with gh :nervous:

and 4 those who think gnr have had a dead- era doin nothin... or that it's only axl who has holdin back cd

axl says:

We hadn't written songs or recorded for many years. There were band changes and there were many changes in the record company. People in the record company had many opinions and they wanted to make the best possible record. Every time that we thought that we had the correct songs, then somebody thought that we could make it better. We started over, we continued adding songs, continued recording and recording. I think that when we release the album, it's gonna be something that I'm gonna be proud of and confident in. Then, we will also have an extra heap of songs. This band has played only been together for six weeks before Rio.

so, they come back again after a maybe well-deserved break...

so, they come back again after a maybe well-deserved break...


A break? A break is maybe at maximum 6 months not two f*cking years. Axl has had thousands of opportunities to release this album, every yar there is another reason why he has not released it and I have had enough. I have been a loyal fan but you can take only so much, I would not be surprised if April comes and he says ''Oh sorry It is not ready yet'' The man has had his whole life to write songs, he has had eight years to finish this album, but what does he do? He cancels shows, sits on his ass eating doritos and getting plastic surgery because he wants to look like Michael Jackson.

they have only said that it's done and their done with their parts within the last six months,
not two years : ok:

2002 was the last show Norway. Dont gimme bullshit like ''They were gonna play Rock In Rio 4 but Buckethead left'' They cancelled more shows than they played on the 2002 ''tour''.

So they did. So what?
I understand you?re fed up waiting.
So are we. We are pretty fed up with complaints.
Come back when you hear some news.
See you soon! :headbanger:

Pretty slim.  At least heading into 2004, the band had Buckethead and Brain working with the band.  Now, Buckethead is gone, and from Brain's recent interview, it seems that he may be gone as well.  Plus, members are out doing their solo stuff for the next few months.  I am not expecting anything anytime soon.

Axl has to release it in 2005. If not, a 2006 release date is still possible, but if we don't get it till the end of 2006, then we'll never hear this album.

not sayin that at all, i'm sayin they have worked on an album more than rehearsals and booking shows,

They sure been recordin and workin on the album, watch the makin of the black album and you so how much effort and exaggerating this "underground"-work is, they are 8 people doin this,

just because they haven't done shows don't mean they haven't been busy
and with the comments from the members, it seems that we'll see it soon :peace:

If I don't hear some news by the end of February then i'm just going to give up any hope of ever hearing CD.

Bah that album is never coming out - but as i can't eactly choose to no longer care i will have to make some hollow statement that i think it will be out 'soon'

Untill Axl takes his pills again we ain't gonna be seeing it though.

I used to think it had to come out at some point. Now I just don't know. As stupid as it sounds, Axl has very little to gain from actually releasing the album. As long as he stays holed up the way he has with that aura of secrecy around him he can never fail and will always be remembered as a reclusive genius. If he does release CD and it isn't recieved the way we all think it will be, he will forever be remembered as the guy who broke up GNR to put out a record that was inferior to the old band. I think he is frankly scared to tarnish his legacy like that if CD does not go over the way he wants. It is an awful big risk to actually release this album. Making it was one thing, releasing it and putting his legacy on the line is an entirely different thing. I am just not sure how much he really gains from actually releasing it, and the fact he has yet to do so would indicate he is having the same insecurities and thought processes I mentioned above.

the record company have stopped them releasin it b4-
- so i woulnd't blame axl alone for the long time it has taken,

we'll get something both the band and the record company is satisfeid and confident in when it's finally is released,
that's good :)

 it's done now,
- tommy said a new webpage would be up around new years too,  ;)
-so i say the odds are good :beer:

dude...this is depressing...so here goes 2004...like, how can 2005 be different...tick, tock, tick, tock...somethin's gotta happen. i don't know if this year (perhaps it'll all just be a lot of rumours and fuss over nothing). they got material, what the hell...which will be released (it al does, sooner or later). i suppose the record company will be pissed if nothin happens anytime soon...as for us, fans...well, i see a lot are becoming hopeless...that means it'll be a surprise when it'll come out, no? (maybe i'm trying to convince myself of that here...)

ya know what?...i think i'll take a chance on it and wait, what do ya say?  :yes:

 : ok:

and reading the article we know brain is still in,
- so i hope some doors are open for bucket doin shows with them again
i hope Tommy is right about the new website comin soon :beer:

can't the record company write this off as a loss if Axl holds onto his dick, er I mean this supposed mass of music?  There has to be some kind of loop hole from the business end...
As far as a new GNR record coming out, who knows? :confused:
I like that "time is a one way ticket" thing someone mentioned... : ok:

if we dont get any news/single/video/etc by april/may we can write 2005 off as well.

I'll put the odds at 3-1 that it comes out in 2k5:

- We've heard from Dizzy and Tommy that it was sent to be mixed/mastered
- Tommy has referred to it as having been made
- Richard has said it's done
- No band member has tour dates booked beyond February

As always, no one can predict what Axl and Interscope will ultimately do, but the odds are better than they were in 2003....it looks like 2004 was a possiblity but  production might've ran too late, and legal wrangling and the Vh1 BTM may have cocked things up (the genie got out of the bottle and pissed Axl off--so he went back in the studio, maybe?).

Just my take....

There is a loop hole. Axl's house. But its only if Geffon loses money on the CD investment.

Tommy said his guess on what a logical person would do with CD is mastering. He never said it was mastered though. But that only takes a day or 2 for most bands. If its in the mastering phase, that means vocals are finished for the entire record. But there has been reports not all songs have vocals. Just a handful.

no  better then 2004...

Ok,you're right. But Tommy also said he had listened to finished tracks prior to his fall 04 tour--which I can only assume means tracks with vocals, and also a recent interview referred to the album as the record they made. I really think this record is done and we're waiting on a release date to be handed down...but im not super-optimistic, I could see Axl getting cold feet even after a release date is announced.

This is what I often think.

Are you saying he put his house up for this album?

I don't believe that for a second.

there's this rumour that they owe parts of his house :yes: right ::)

i hope tommy wasn't bullshittin when he said:

When the ball starts rolling sometime after new years, everything will happen. Videos, interviews, a new and updated website. They will be making videos for sure and be on tour.

so yeah, i think early 05 is it :peace:

Thats the supposed collaterol(sp) for the $10M-$15M record advance given to Axl in case they dont make any $$$

Personally I believe that as long as Axl is alive Chinese Democracy won't see the light of day.  Now that doesn't mean that the guy didn't do anything.  I believe they have tons of new material but won't release it.  Can I blame him?  Nope!!!  Remember that he has a lot of pressure for this due to the past(breaking up the band, tour cancellation and all)  The only thing is I don't agree that he was the only person responsible for breaking up the band.  He just can't fight with the other guys alone(Slash, Duff, etc)  I do feel sorry though for Tommy, Robin, Brain, Richard, Dizzy even Buckethead and all the other guys who worked hard on this album.  Because those guys are probably eager to show the world what they have accomplished on those songs.

think so 2 :yes:

Slim to none : ok:

think so 3  :yes:

Yet, I personally believe it?s probably AXL who?s the most eager to show the world what he has accomplished with Tommy, Robin, Brain, Richard, Dizzy, Chris and Buckethead.

Took the words right out of my mouth! I feel Axl doesn't have the same amount of confidence in his 'new' work that we have, which is understandable really since he's been out of the game for so long and this album is make or break for him.

Yet, I personally believe it?s probably AXL who?s the most eager to show the world what he has accomplished with Tommy, Robin, Brain, Richard, Dizzy, Chris and Buckethead.
Well ppbe if Axl was so eager to show the world what he has accomplished with those guys we would have the album already in our hands.  Axl is the least eager to show it and he will NEVER show Chinese Democracy.

The chances are " One in a million"  :'(

I really wish it would come out in April (Like it says on the site)

x2 man, It is sickeningly obvious that Axl has lost a certain amount of balls. "Recluse" doesn't even fittingly describe him anymore. Aside from a released statement here and there, its like he's basking in the fact that hes a recluse. When someone does nothing to install faith in even his bands most hardcore fans that says alot. Either he's backed up in a shitload of red tape, or he's afraid of something.

I'll second that.

er, i've reached a point where i just don't care anymore. Maybe mysteron has some info. Haven't seen a post from him in a while.

Anyways, if we can get a new NIN record, im pretty sure it can't be that tough to get new GNR record

Seems like the odds may be shifting in favor, but not exactly in the best of ways...

Talk about a bumped up thread.. lol.

I find that difficult to believe. Nobody is going to put their home up with a name as strong as him. Movie and music companies (if the project flops) take huge losses and it just gets soaked up into the rest of the pool.

I don't care or wonder at all anymore. If it comes out great, if not, then oh well.

What's the matter, got tired of putting Bush down?  :hihi:

Fuck, I guess I better pull out the rubber gloves.

 :hihi: Regretting that?

I think 2004 I said i would shave my head. I gotta stop with the predictions, Im really bad at it. although SLC told me that losing the bet isnt all that bad because once u get finished with the elephants its a pretty easy and cool job. :hihi:

Hurry along....

You don't want to miss your bus.....

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Gosh!  :o Your aunty is a real one, isn't she?

Actually We've already heard one asskicking new song since you posted this.

2005 is out.. there are no odds