Here Today... Gone To Hell!

http://www.futurenet.com/rhythm/magazine/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=33384&subsectionid=1764


someone buy it and let us know what he says

Buy it yourself  :P

thansk : ok: it'll be cool 2 read

I'm expecting it to have 1 liner on GNR and then a 3 page section on Tom Waits and Primus.

So best read it in the newsagent before buying

Cheapskate.  :P  :hihi:

@#$%Funker

Yeah, well I understand him. A lot of people aren't interested in Brain because of what he has done, rather because of the band he's playing in.

I don't think he'll say anything interesting, unless you are a Primus fan.

Which takes the piss, because above all he is a MEMBER OF GUNS AND ROSES!!!!!

Its bad enough that you have to wait forever for your fav bands new music to come out, I think its even worse that the members are so restricted from talking about the music, experiences and life in the band. At least if they could do this it would pass the time a bit!

:rant:

hehe, good reply! ;D

Im gonna buy it if I can find it here in Norway somewhere.
I don't think he'll say too much about Primus, since he hasn't been in the band for about 5 years.
he'll probably talk a lot about CCBBB and Tom Waits though, he's probably not allowed to say too much about GN'R so I wouldn't blame him for any lack of GN'R info. :peace:

OK, I had a quick read of this on my way to work. Some brief comments:

1. Brain loves doing the whole GNR thing and says if it comes out he will have contributed towards it

2. He talks about the difference in playing for Primus and GNR - the main difference being he can't play as freely in GNR, because people expect him to do fills the way that GNR should sound

3. He mentions the word 'hired gun' and at one point it almost sounded like he's no longer in the group

4. If the record does come out, then he thinks it could be GNR's Led Zepplin 2.

I'm sure later I'll be able to get the actual quotes as one of my drummer friends buys this magazine

Does he really say "if the record comes out"?

I will have to confirm that a little later, but I think yes. It sounded like Brain didn't really have a clue what was going on, just that he thought the record was great and loved playing with GNR.


 

ok...

it's sad news. It' seems that it's no more guns and roses. Buckethead is out, Mantia probably is out, Stinson probably is out too, because he doesn't know what's going on.  ::)

so pessimistic?

Is the thing online or do you have the mag? It would be really cool if you post it :yes:

it's sad news. It' seems that it's no more guns and roses. Buckethead is out, Mantia probably is out, Stinson probably is out too, because he doesn't know what's going on.? ::)

I wouldn't go as far as that. We haven't heard Brain is out, and it doesn't seem like he wants to leave, far from the contrary

I'll post the actual quotes when I get hold of the magazine.

Just my two cents but to to be honest i think Brain isn't even fussed if he's the drummer of GNR or not.  To him it's a bit of extended session work which he's happy to work on but to him its nothing more.  I don't think he's particularly proud to be connected with GN'R, it's just a job.

Sorry to be negative but thats the impression i get.

What the f... are you talking about... Brain and Tommy will not leave GNR...

I know its sometimes hard to be a GNR fan, but dont be so negative, for no reason...

It?s Easy For some to be a hater who goes into raptures at every tiny bit of negative news. Bless them!

Scabbie
Thanks.
 #4. is one of the best news.       #3. is a worrying bit. Hmm. :-\
Please inform us of the ditails.

one thing: What a cohesive band... ::)
I told you last year, I repeat I told you last year ?that I felt Brain wasn't really in the band anymore , his comments about SCOM and how "boring" it was to play this song and this unfamous " are you still in GN'R? as soon as they pay me!", were absolutely not very diplomatic comments. Some said "come on nesquick Braiin was joking, don't take it too seriously"...No, he wasn't really joking for me guys. He was very serious. I felt it. Nevermind, I've never had a great feeling with that guy playing in GN'R. I don't want to bash him too much because it might also be Axl's fault.
can somebody anwer to this question: Today, in december 2004, What is "Guns n' Roses"? because sincerly, I'm not able to anwer to this question anymore.

its really, really hard not to view this  "band" as a complete joke. How can members of a band not have a clue about the music they are making??  How do a bunch of guys have absolutely no ownership in the situation, or its release??

 They should have some balls and demand Axl involves them in the business side rather than just use them to make music for him. Cos until they do, and demand it be a band of equals...then they are nothing more than session muso's,

Your so wise... wake up! Nobody is hating. Just reacting to what very little sorry ass news we get. And NOTHING has been positive lately. Actually I'm not even so sure you could say it is negative either... news just doesn't exist. And in all of the interviews from various members lately make it seem like they are just like "whatever" when asked about GnR, or they don't say shit about the band. Yes, Tommy had a lot of good things to say a while back (ie: Jarmo's interview). But he still seemed out of the loop. I'm not saying anything about Brain's interview because I haven't read it... but things don't look good. But you all should know by now, this is nothing new. Negative or Positive, Fans will be fans regardless. And we are still waiting....

Guns n' Roses = Axl Rose ;)

Seriously, I think it's just a group of musicians led by Axl Rose.

Somebody get the whole article here, please.

How can you be so sure about that?

See how much pet hate some poster has towards Brain(and BH, and Robin).
Read how someone wants to see the members out of the band.

Do you still say that?

How can you be so sure about that?

See how much pet hate some poster has towards Brain(and BH, and Robin).
Read how someone wants to see the members out of the band.

Do you still say that?





Ummm I would suggest that is opinion, not hate. Do we all have to fall in line to be considered non haters??...I want this album to be awesome, I want it to be from a real band , but I dont HAVE to agree with everything Axl does or says....cos Im myself, I and other 'haters' dont define ourselves and our opinion according to Axls point of view. I wish him the best and GNR, but not all of us simply fawn.

+1. same for me. I'm not a "hater" (if I were I wouldn't be on this board) but rather a realistic person. When I think something is good I say it's good (how many times have I said extremely positive comments about Fortus and Stinson? a lot) , and when I think something is bad I say it's bad. it's called opinion. I'm not a blind fan who say "yes" to everything Axl does. I'm not a yes-man. I try to be objective. and I'm the first one to say the MSG 2002 show is one of the best GN'R show ever (old and new band included). The new band was amazing that night...included Robin Finck.

I love this band and i am not negative for no reason. I dont want to see the members out of the band, but they are probably out. Could you tell me something positive at this time about GNR??? And please no rumors about February CD realease, because it's a joke!!!

I agree, I'll tell you from reading this I get the feeling most/all the guys are very glad they worked in gnr and they feel the album will be very good when/if it gets released, but none seem to be that worried they seem to know they have all their stuff outside the band and seem to have doubts it will ever happen..

I only can go by what has been posted, i don't know how true it is being the same info has been pasted on each board..

Basically the album will be good if it ever finds the light of day.... SHame hopw distant yet close it seems, the guys give such little info, you would think by nearly january these guys would have something good to say..

I start to feel more n more that this album/s will never see the light of day unless somehow they are forced out, it's nearly january there's not a single piece of info for anything, february seems like a miss, let the march-april rumors begin.. :-[

Well... IMO realistically I think people should be expected to be negative. I am honestly very surprised this many people still have faith. At times I do, and sometimes I don't. But whatever happens I still believe in the music.

I know some people are like "fuck brain... he sucks" etc. Those people will never change their mind and they should just not listen if they don't like it.

But what I see is people who are frustrated and taking what little info we get and looking at it realistically. Those people shouldn't be called haters.

Sure... so, the guy said that CD will be like Led Zeppelin II and you guys are just "oh, MAYBE he's already out! he hates the band!".  Its not about faith. I don't trust in faith and I'm not blind. I just expect this CD to be out and to be awesome.  If Brain is out, is probabily because of Buckethead's departure. Nothing so unexepected.

Even if he's out, he said good things about the band's (yeah, it's a band) work. And I'm happy with that. Also, we should wait for the full article to judge the guy and bitch about him leaving the band... Maybe it's not that clear that he's a former hired gun. 

Here goes!!! Does this sound like a current member of Guns n' Roses?.....well I'll let you decide (not I only types the parts of the interview that are relevant)

Is there any one project you?ve done that feels more like the real you than any other?

What I do in Bucket of Bernie Brains feels like the most natural way of playing to me. That?s probably closest to my natural personality and style of anything I?ve done. When I joined Primus, I have to fill Tim?s shoes a little bit, learn his parts and do the existing songs the way he did. And with Guns n?Roses it?s the same thing. When you?re working with a band that?s sold 100 million albums, people expect you to play the fills the way they?ve always known them. With Bucket of Bernie Brains, its much freer because its our thing. Its like ?F**k it, lets roll tape and see what happens?

But now you?re in Bucket of Bernie Brains with Les. How did that come into being?

When we started the band, me and Bucket were still in Guns n? Roses. We were just getting ready to go out on tour and Les called up and said ?Bonnaroo (big US music festival) is coming up and I want to do a Les and friends type thing. Our managers got together and got it sorted, then we all just turned up on the day of the festival, walked on stage and just made it all up?.

One of them being GNR, who seem to be on hiatus again. Would you work with Axl?s crew again?

If GNR start up again, I?m in. I love doing it and, as crazy as it is, I really miss being all around that. I love being that rock guy when you?re in a band, and its about you and your music. Being a hired gun is a different feeling ? its not your songs, and its all about the artist you?re working for. Which is cool, but with Guns we were doing songs that I was a part of creating. And if the new album ever comes out, there are songs on there that I?ve had a hand in writing.

Again, with GNR it was a case of you stepping into some big shoes ? those of John Freese, no less?

The way it happened was that I was with Primus, on an Australian tour when I talked to Buckethead and he mentioned he was going to join Guns. He and I have done stuff together for years, and we try to get each other involved in what we?re doing. So he said I should go down and see what was going on. At that point Josh was doing the gig and I was like ?Yeah, whatever?. But around that time the whole Primus thing kind of fell apart because it wasn?t really working out. And then Bucket called again and told me that Josh had quit.

So I went down and met the guys and Axl, and everyone was super cool. The whole Guns thing really excited me and I think the record?s incredible ? it could be their Led Zepplin 11. I really have a feeling about it and I just hope it comes out?.

When you were studying hard, did you ever have a career plan for what you?d do when you stepped into the big bad music industry?

I never once thought I was going to play drums for a living. And in actual fact I?m thinking of trying to get out of playing as a career.

Really? And do what?

I want to get into public storage and motor homes. Buying land and putting up public storage units ? I heard there?s a lot of money in it. U?m serious.

Er, no, you can?t be

I?m absolutely serious

What and just play gigs for fun?

And take gigs that I want to take. And only do what I want to do.

Wow, that would be a brave step

Maybe, but I?m not a John Freese. He does everybody?s records in LA and he?s amazing. I don?t think I?m good enough to do that, but I also feel like I need to give something of myself to every session that I do. If I can?t do that I don?t really want to get involved. Its something I?m seriously thinking about.

To me it doesn't feel like he has quit or like there's any bad blood between him and the rest of the band. GN'R is just on hiatus and he apparently has no clue what's been going on lately. Pretty much the same situation as the other guys it seems.

Thanks for writing it up....It cleared some things up and put everything in context...its funny to see how qucikly some peopel love to jump on this band ever chance they get...but yes they are fans too..anyways...

heres what I get out of the interview and the band as a whole....

Its very simple.....they made the music and now they are done until Axl calls them back. Some are not sure of the situation because they already know that Axl is doing his thing{whatver that may be}{tweaking,procrastinating,lawsuiits,contracts,company,etc}, so they go off and do thier own thing.

The good thing though is that they feel stongly and BELIEVE in the material they have already made. And so far the members have all said that they actually MISS being with the rest of the band etc. SO thats a very good thing....

Must be a descent album ?:yes:

As a huge Axl fan and a hufe fan of the member sin this band...I think all the blame goes to Axl. I think he has built something great. The band, the music, the chemistry is all there...but the only problem is he is taking too long. WHo knows the real reason but I dont think its mostly because of the music. Im sure it has something to do with it but it has to also be other things because each member has been positive about the music and the whole gnr experience...

Axl you got a tight and talented band.....Go tear the world a new asshole already!

And all this time we thought Axl was the insane one. Public storage....

Thanks for posting this Scabbie. ? : ok: ? We won't get this mag here for another month or more. ?:no:


Even though I'm not thrilled with the "If" part, I think the rest of what he's saying is great!!!

Don't like this one  ;D

Ok, two things:

1) He didn't say "I'm not in GNR anymore", he just said he's doing his own things while the band is in the hiatus. Just like Tommy did. And, he said "GNR start up again, I'm in".

2) He didn't say "I am a hired gun", he said: "but with Guns we were doing songs that I was a part of creating."

So, is there any more things to bitching about him? I told to wait for the the article...  ::)

This isn't a bad sign. ?He probably just says "he was still in GNR" because he was doing "work at the time". ?However, recently nothing has been going on for the guys. ?Just like Tommy has mentioned, they are done with all there parts. And weather you like it or not, they are hired guns. ?Atleast it sure as hell seems like that. ?Everyone who has worked with Axl, comes in, puts down there stuff, gets paid and leaves. ?

Although, I see this article as a good thing. ?He says that the album is really great, could be Zeppelin II. ?Are you kidding me? ?This just gets me more excited to here the album. ?Although the only thing that does worry me is that he says that he "hopes the cd comes out". ?

Ta!Scabbie

He sounds like waiting for the fresh start of GNR.
I think he's saying not only him but the whole band is out now. GNR is stopping at the moment.
And He wants to get rid of "hired" from guns when GNR starts up again with the new album.

This isn`t exactly what we wanted to hear, but anything positive is good. At least we know Brain is still in when Guns starts up again and he feels like more than a hired gun.

"if gnr starts up again, I'm in, if? the albumcomes out it will be great"

Lots of IFs here... Doesn't sound like a band doing anything.. Band has been on hiatus forever already.. When you're a band people won't ask would you work with axl's crew again, it should be a given he is axl's crew.

Some stuff is good, but if you're a fan ever expecting anything then it sucks...

That tells me right now there is no guns, and everyone is off doing whatever with no clue to anything..

Guy should have asked why do you say if for so many things?

One thing I can say is brain is up front and doesn't string us along like the other asspipes that say it'll drop and second and landing pad is near and hairs breadth bulshit, now  know to expect nothing for a while..

Thanks Scabbie.  : ok:


As previously mentioned by others, sounds like he doesn't know what's going on with GN'R. Just like Tommy when he was touring.

But it also sounds like he likes being in the band when they're actually doing something and that he likes the material he helped create.



/jarmo

Exactly, Jarmo.  His comments don't seem to be any different from what Tommy Stinson has said.  And Tommy has said time and time again, especially recently, that he is still with Guns.  Therefore, I see no reason to take away anything negative from this interview.

Ali

Hmm I think otherwise.

:D Aye. The words from This forthright man on the band and the album are trusty and music to most of our ears. 
 :-\  And Aye.  his "IF"s here make me think that:
despite his desire to see the release of the album, there?s something made him doubt about the prospect of it. Somehow, this hints that there's been a crucial obstacle standing in the way of GNR, hence the words "If" n "ever".  Damn!  What is it or are they? other than ones mentioned in YG?s post?  seemingly Tommy n Dizzy believe they?re conquerable.

Then again, I may be thinking too much. :peace:

Thanks for posting the article. After reading it, the article has both positive and negative statements I think can be interpreted many ways. I think its incredibly positive that he basically says when Axl needs him, he will be there in a heartbeat and that he enjoys being a part of the band. The "hired gun" thing didn't really bother me as much as it did some of you, because either way you slice it, this is not a band in every sense of the word. If it were a band you would not be given your walking papers until your lead singer feels your presence is required. I would take a guess that Gn'R have been on heitus since the 2002 tour was axed or at least a few months following. It seems very obvious to me that ALL the cards are in Axl's hands to start the band back up again and finally release this fucking album already. If your bandmembers say its a masterpiece or GnR's Zeppelin 2 then its fucking ready Axl, cmon.  I dont know if Axl has a serious confidence problem but I think the most we can take into consideration is that all the bandmembers are willing and ready to go when Axl is, and the release hinders on Axl's shoulders alone.

Tommy does come across as more positive though  ;)

Yo bad bucket left, he was brains buddy, he was perobably another reason he loved being in new gnr, he felt he had a freind.. You never see him with tommy n the gang, the otheres seem tight and brain isn't with them outside..

Before with bucket he had a person who was a link to new gnr, same with tommy, dizzy n richard..

I like how brain spoke like a annoyed fan, he tells it like it is..

So I went down and met the guys and Axl, and everyone was super cool. The whole Guns thing really excited me and I think the record?s incredible ? it could be their Led Zepplin 11.

your too !! your too !! YOUR TOOOOO !!!!!
 :rant:

or am I wrong and I understood from this quote that he is just a Studio musician and Axl could or could not need him on tour
???

the hired gun comment didn't seem directly aimed at just gnr.He does alot of hired session work, not as much as freese but he still does alot of playing other peoples music.

Be realistic they are all hired guns ,they are session players that provide axl with a product.. If they weren't they would have equal knowledsge on every gnr event.. One man and one man only makes the final choices.. Not one of them know a thing about the album besides it's done, even the most recent interview seems very doubtfull as to seeing the album.. It also makes me believe there's only one album,.,.

The new band could switch 15 times, as long as axl's there everyone here will stay and say how everything is fine..

The best player left in BH and everyone was saying how amazing he was and now no one gives a rats ass about him and tries to blame him for the delays..

I'm sure it's lawsuits and tweaking still going on, it's just shit everyone uses to convince themselves everything is ok and that's why nothing happens..
The brain interview also proves nothing has been done for a tour, a video, or a single or we wouldn't have heard such doubt in his voice.,.. As brain said the album rocks but you'll be lucky to hear it.. He klnow the deal, he just doesn't want to sound to bad, he has his side work he and the others will just coast along and tommy will promote his band every time he can and say everything is great in gnr land..

Notice all the guys are ready, they just sit around witht heir thumbs up their asses waiting for the man who can't be bothered to give them a call..Lucky they have side work or axl would have left his entire new hired guns sitting around doing nothing..

They are all basically not in gnr's loop they all just hope they get a call one day, it's really sad..

Even though I consider it a band.
What we?re waiting for is an album they made democratically. What we?ll hear next is from the people you call "hired" now. 
Maybe for you the one who conducts a group is everything but to me a bunch of musicians who make music together is a band.

PREACH ON BROTHER MAN! You took the words from my mouth....

I thought BH, Richard n Brain are buddies?

Does anyone else notice that with everything Brain said in that interview, he is almost entirely uninvolved or out of touch with his project compared to say Tommy Stinson. Tommy said in his interview with Jarmo that he's in contact with the GnR camp almost on a weekly basis, and has to constantly arrange his schedule around his commitments to the band, while Brain is completely ominous and not the slightest bit afraid to let it show that he  more then likely is no longer in contact with the bandmembers and basically is out there pissing in the wind until he feels needed in the group. His assumptions towards the albums release are a complete 180 compared to Tommy's as well. Tommy goes in to detail back in October about how so utterly close it is and it will forsure come out soon, while a little over 2 months later Brain is absolutely serious when he says he hasn't the foggiest if, and when it will see the light of day. This band is so not even on the same wavelength and that to me is more disappointing more often then not then having the album out.

Axl is way too selfish to share popularity with other guys. The man wants to be the only one to be spoken about. That's why he became mad when Slash started to become more popular than him in the early 90's. He wanted to be "the" bandmember, not "a" bandmember among others.
Now we get what he wants: Mister Axl Rose (100% of power, 100% of decisions) and...a bunch of hired guns (0% of power, 0% of decisions).

And Axl and Slash told you this over candle-light dinner? That's right they didn't. You don't know shit. All that statement was just pure speculation from a fan. You've never been behind the scenes and obviously you haven't done any research of your own.

And hey, you were the one that wanted to mail bomb Sanctuary... ::)

Actually, it's "The Fat Bastard and the Yes-men".

Why don't you just shut up for good?

Damn, you are so brave ! You are THE man Nesquick !  :hihi:

first people bitch about dizzy and tommy sayin soon, and yes it be out
and that many suggested that they should just say they don't know whats gooin on about gnr release and official staments....

now when a member says something that don't sound like soon or give us anticipation-

could you belive it? thats bad 4 some 2 :o


hey, thank you 4 that interview : ok:

it's something he has with the others created so it boundin him,? don't know how he feels callin himself gunsnroses,
it's not his legacy, yet- maybe that explains the hired gun mention :beer:

You're banned.

Are you telling us somehting we dont already know? We know this band is not the "conventional" band. They didnt meet in the gutter. We already know that.
What you dont seem to realize is that Axl didnt bring in every guy by himself. Basically every guy has recomended the next guy. They are all basically linked except to Axl. Isnt that a band?

As for the final choices thing. Axl controls the business end of the band. We know that. Is that soemthing new? It was basically the same with the old band too. Do you think if Axl didnt want to do something on the old stuff he would have done it anyway? hell fukin no.

Why is that a surprise. WHy would you expect any of that if the band havnt met back up yet?

he never said that

Yes, the same sidework and projects Axl has ENCOURAGED them to do. The same side projects Axl has helped them land.

WHat dont you undertsnad about the gnr situation? Are you that dumb? The band has done thie rjob. The music is completed. They say its going to be great. They say they are on break until AXL CALLS THEM BACK. How that doesnt make them a band musically is beyond me. But since it makes you feel like you are proving something by saying "see look, they reallyu arent a band" then say that all you want. While you say that and when CD drops I will be rocking out to one of the greatest CDs ever created...cant fukin wait....

My only concer in the music. And by all accounts its been a total band effort. By all accounts the bandmembers enjoy being with each other and miss playing with each other. Thats all I care about. It sux Axl is holding out for whatver reason but thats how it is...take it or leave it

Yes, Axl is waay tooo selfish ?:no:

Hes the same guy who allowed a guy who wears a bucket on his head to join the band. A guy that is always getting attetion.

Hes the same guy who has helped get Tommy get an album deal and has encouraged his band members to go out and do their thing until he rings the bell....

Hes the same guy who every1 says is the most loyal and genuine peopel they know...

what a fukin asshole.

:rofl: : ok:


GNR bandmembers....might not have the final stamp on the business side or when the thing is gonna get released but THEY HAVE ALL PUT THEIR STAMP ON THE MUSIC...

go? yourself homeboy

If this article is recent, then fork GnR it's over... if the freaking drummer doesn't know *if* THEIR album (meaning someone elses) is going to ever come out, speaks about his involvement in PAST TENSE, or *IF* the band will start up again then it's NOT A BAND...

So sad...

this is just adminastrive, it's their inputs, their music and choice

this is not teenage friends makin a band, but relativly succsefull and experienced musicians that wanna play and make music together, so it gradifies 4 bein a band 2 me

- with a name that has a legacy, they said how they feel about that b4 and it may cause some distance when they speak publicic about it, maybe out of respect, i dunno :-\

it's cool 2 hear that this work he has done, is something he really likes and seems proud of :peace:
can't wait 2 listne myself :drool:

That doesn't hit as big a nerve for me that it did with some of you.  I mean, he clearly stated that when Guns starts up again, he'll be there. If he's done all he can on the album, what else should he do? Just sit there? He's still in Guns, or else there would've been an announcement that he quit. This one interview isn't gonna make me lose any sleep...

For the people saying Brain sounds like he is out or does not like? being in gnr, did you just miss over his first comment.

1. Brain loves doing the whole GNR thing and says if it comes out he will have contributed towards it

He said he loves being in gnr, as for the hired guns things, dont take his comments out of context, read the whole article.
He said he does not feel like a hired gun in the new gnr because he had a hand in writing some of the songs.

Here is the part about gnr.
One of them being GNR, who seem to be on hiatus again. Would you work with Axl?s crew again?

If GNR start up again, I?m in. I love doing it and, as crazy as it is, I really miss being all around that. I love being that rock guy when you?re in a band, and its about you and your music. Being a hired gun is a different feeling ? its not your songs, and its all about the artist you?re working for. Which is cool, but with Guns we were doing songs that I was a part of creating. And if the new album ever comes out, there are songs on there that I?ve had a hand in writing.

Again, with GNR it was a case of you stepping into some big shoes ? those of John Freese, no less?

The way it happened was that I was with Primus, on an Australian tour when I talked to Buckethead and he mentioned he was going to join Guns. He and I have done stuff together for years, and we try to get each other involved in what we?re doing. So he said I should go down and see what was going on. At that point Josh was doing the gig and I was like ?Yeah, whatever?. But around that time the whole Primus thing kind of fell apart because it wasn?t really working out. And then Bucket called again and told me that Josh had quit.

Gotta be optimistic about this...You can just sense how much pride these guys have in what they've collectively created. When everyone feels as strongly about the music as they seem to, it can only lead to great things...Pretty clear to me that legalities are all that's holding this up

:idea: aha, thats cool 8) the hired gun mention is 4 him doin covers maybe?

The if-lines is tickeling, i like this vague, will it- come -out mystery thing :)

with a scary theme in the background ?:hihi:

Just because the word guns is in hired guns doesn't mean Brain is talking about new GN'R.  I believe he was leaning more towards Primus when he said working as a "hired gun".  He enjoys the GN'R lineup and you can clearly see he loves what they've worked on so far.  I need something cleared up though, is Brain in GN'R??  He makes it sound like he's not, but if they asked again he'd be there....?

sounds like they done with making music, the next work would be tours, videos etc

it sounds like he is in, enjoys it and are ready 2 rock when asked 2

I guess this ties in with what Fortus was saying at his gig.  The album really is done, just needs a release date.  I recently got into Led Zepplin and let me tell you, some amazing stuff there.  Just compare Immigrant Song with Madagascar, very similar.  I remember a few years back Axl was spotted at a Led Zepplin release party of some sort as well.

I thinks this is quite a positive interview. We all know that the GNR structure is a little different to other bands and this is something that we have to accept. Brain seems to be ok with it.

What really interests me is the Buckethead thing. What's Brain thinking about Axl'S accusation towards BH.

this?

(http://tinypic.com/vl17q)

just a thing that bother me...what about Robin? I mean dizzy, tommy, richard and brain gave interviews or spoke to fans, but Robin Finck didn't say a word since 2002. Neither in real, nor on his website. I just wonder why this silence.

Can you enlighten me on how the Immigrant Song and Madagascar are similar?

and chris?

public storage?? was he fucking serious?? what kind of band is this now??

I think Immigrant Song is actually closer to Rhiyad and the Bedouins.

Hmmm, the vibe I get from Riyadh is rather akin to Kashmir(sp?).

You're wrong.? Robin posted a statement on his site last March 2004 right after BH fucked up the Rio gig.

Just like Brain, Robin made a point of saying he looks forword to his future with GNR.
IMO it's silly to expect him to speak or comment on things when nothing is happening at the moment.

: ok:

and 4 the others 2 actually, but i appreciate their interviews and gnr related stuff

but when there's nothing major events or something, they no need 2 say

well, all I can say after read 100 times those questions and answeras, is that we need Mysteron right now to clear things up to us.

What's there to clear up, just read the interview..

to me he?s talking about an album that he don?t know IF will be release, IF he?ll go and tour with the band or IF Axl will need him.

Everyone.... brain doesnt know shit... sticky fingers said its coming out in March.  Fo read the post.  Dont listen to a band member.

To quote yourself, are you so dumb?? If axl didn't encourage side work they would have walked because they would be stuck with nothing to do, he lets them have their fun because it puts less pressure on him to get off his ass..


This is the only band in history that started in the 90's that is on hiatus without releasing one single piece of material (besides oh my god), they couldn't even give a little album with the bootlegs..


FIne he can be the business man, but you don't find it amazing that not one member besides him even knows anything a bout the work they did and when it will be out .. Business and being a control freak is two different things.. Everyone can have equal knowledge in basic shit even if they aren't the person in charge of the business asspect.. Don't you understand these guys are clueless ,they know nothing, they tell different sotrys, tommy has been sayng for about a year it could drop and ?second ,then the mastering needs to be done, now brain is life if it comes out..

FIne they didn't meet in teh gutter, but they are not tight, they don't have a relationship where they have equal input and knowledge regarding their debut album..

If there were no side projects there would be no more new gnr, they would have walked..


Exactly they have zero say in anything and they are just hired to do axl's project.. They'd sit on their ass for twenty years waiting for him, none have the balls to push the envelope they just wait for their boss, er band mate to call them for when he's ready to get off his ass..

That's more of a dictator that just gives you a call when he needs you...
There's no doubt the guys are very enthusiastic, they have great work ethics just from their outside stuff alone, they have a desire to play, but it's a damn shame they need to wait for that lazy ass axl who just has every band member he ever works with do solo projects while he does whatever it is he does.. If they were doing shit like a normal band instead of taking a so uneeded hiatus before releasing a debut they wouldn't need solo work..

Also they don't say negative shit about axl because they want to play and he's their boss ,they have no choice but to say good things.. Give it tenm years when everyone is gone ?and then ask them the same question..Maybe if axl got off his ass with his ONE album that's been slated since like 99 everything would be smooth and the fans plus the band would be happy and together..

Just don't try and sugar coat everytrhing, the band is together a long time and so far everything has ended in disaster, there's no music, there's nothing, yet people get upset when people knock the new gnr.. What else is there to say about a band on hiatus forever with not one album?

that about sums it up, in your wide eyed version of reality you already have it in your mind that an album no one has ever heard is one of the greatest cds ever.. Such a shame to live with such axl goggles on.. Get the fan goggles off and get out of the fantasy bubble you live in, it's kind of scary.. We'''ll say it's one of the greatest albums if n when it comes out, but I'm sure it's the greatest already for you, and probably dave

So you'd want him to say "it's gonna be out and we'll tour"?

Only to later complain that "But Brain said it would be out and that they'd tour! Fucking liars! They don't know anything! I wish they'd shut up until they know for sure!  :rant: "

That always happens when a band member mentions a possible release.



/jarmo

Maybe Axl's sittin at home waitin for all the other members to call him? ;D....Axls a shy guy..so hes prolly waitin for them to call him..lol jj...The album will kick ass..Led Zeppelin 2..Thats high standards..But if anyone can do it its Axl

well, whats better:

"NO IF?S, the album is finished and I?ll go on tour with my band GUNS N FUCKING ROSES"

or

"IF the album sees the light of day someday, and IF Axl needs me, I?ll be back to tour with his band."

??

I prefer the first one. He is in the band, hired or not, he knows what?s goin?on better that ours rumors around here.

Actually I dont. And do you really think for one second the bandmembers know as much as us? They know what Axl is htinking and what they are going to do. Maybe they are just honoring Axls wishes of keeping things quiet....

Go watch them on stage...they are a tight band. Off stage some go there seperate ways, some jam together. Let me remind you again these guys jam with each other, are on each others albums, and have basically recommended each other into the band.
You nor I have no idea how much input they have in terms of the promotions,plans etc. Probably not much but I would bet there voices are heard

As for the music side...all your comments are not true...

Again, why do you keep saying stuff we already know?
No balls? Were you in the studio all those years? Did you know that Robin has had plenty of fights with Axl? Why do you think he left the first time. Balls? whats balls nowadays anyways? Allowing your record company to sell the saem album like 20 times and with different colors and fonts?

The music will show GNRs big balls.

DId I not say that in my original post  :o

again GNR IS NOT A NORMAL BAND. And they dont pretend to be one.

What the hell do you want them to do? If Axl doesnt want to release the album yet...for whatver reason..why should they be theire in malibu sitting right next to him holding his hand? Is that what a band does.
Musically they are  a band. And when its released what are we all going to focus on????the fukin MUSIC. ANd guess what...who created that music? THE BAND......

Yes  : ok:

The funny thing is I dont sugar coat everything. I just said how its all on Axl right now. Theres no sugarcoating. Theres reality and then theres people who have this fairytale idea of what a band is. If you cant accept the way this band operates go support a band that meets all the standards you expect.

The only thing that has been a disater is the 2002 tour thats it. Everything else has been the same... A mystery

Theres no music, its been a "disater", they arent a band, yet you still have people waiting for the album. You still have people ready to embrace this band.

I will be the albums biggest critic trust me. If its a crock of shit, ill say it. I could careless. But if its great I will be the first to tell you and the many others around here about it.
Call me whatever you want....

But what happend to the word FAN?
A fan is someone who enjoys something. WHo really fukin enjoys it. Enjoys something more than the normal person does or might even hate.

I am a fukin FAn. And im not going to apologize for believeing in Axl, Robin, Tommy,brain,fortus,pittman,dizzy and bucket....I believe they will deliver a great album. Im sorry I dont get wrapped up in all th epussy stuff. Im sorry I can handle waiting. Im sorry I can handle the excuse....

DO you know why? Because Im here for 1 thing...the music...and when it gets released thats all we are going to be talking about...is the music...not axls bradis, mental diseases, whether this band picks apples together or anything else....just the music....and becuase of that...i am able to just patiently wait and support this band...you either believe they will deliver or wont...I am here because i think they will. And I enjoy talking to other people who thiink they will. DOnt need to constantelky be defending this band from peopel who are sitting there with there arms crosses and slashs guitar stuck up their ass with a ciggy in their mouf....adios

actually no......as the poster below put it so well, what brain is saying and what tommy is saying is very very differant.

To me it just seems like Brain doesn't sit at home by the phone waiting for the call.

Instead he's out working until he gets the call that he's needed in GN'R.


I don't know how old that interview actually is, but if it was done recently it sounds like GN'R haven't auditioned a guitar player. Tommy hinted that if there was gonna be auditions, they'd have to get the full band together.

Since Brain didn't mention anything about the band being back together, maybe it didn't happen?



/jarmo

Or maybe this interview is old and  just printed now?

i just don't see how what brain is saying and what tommy was saying on tour is remotely the same. as far as them sitting waiting on the call, you're right, neither one is doing that. the differance is that tommy gave actual details about the album being finished up and how it should be out very very shortly and how he talks to gnr management weekly. whereas brain is basically saying that IF they decide to start the band up again, he would be willing to do it. he is talking in 'they and them' terms the entire time and not 'us and we' terms. he is speaking about his tenure in gnr as past tense and not present tense. i understand the urge to try to get something positive out of what he is saying but there is a night and day differance between what brain is saying and what tommy was saying on tour.

(yg)

you say you are a fan of the music but where is the music, everyone is fans of the music if they like a band.. I admitt I'm not crazy about the new stuff I heard but it's not the worst thiong I have ever heard.. I say how I feel. I like the older stuff better then what I've heard, but that doesn't mean I don't feel the new guys have alot of potantial and that I am not very curious to hear the new stuff..

If I'm a music fan then what should I say I'm happy with the way everything is going?? If there's no music then what the heck should I enjoy from new gnr?

Depedning on who you are the whole point of continuing to use the gnr name is to make music and and that's exactly where the whole situation sucks..  New bands should be giving you new music otherwise what the hell are they doing..?

I've read 50 different excuses by people who will never say a negative thing about axl as to why the album isn't out...He's doing a lotr thing all the albums first, we're getting 3 over as many years, or a double cd with the this and that, buckethead's parts might be getting redone, there's song tweaking going on, there's lawsuits holdijng it back, axl is into perfection that's why we haven't heard it, buckethead ruined the plans, the album would have been out but geffen/interscope is pushing it back because they want to not have big competition, etc etc etc.. Sounds like a steaming load of shit to me, just be honest and say what it is..
People need to stop making excuses and stop praising the album before they hear a song.. WIll it be biger then afd, will it be better then teh illusions?? I mean this is all such crazy talk just let the album talk for itself and stop defending axl tooth n nail (not you yg)..

WHy not just say the band is ready for action but axl always leaves them out to dry.. ?

I hate when people have all these stupid answers lined up, at least be honest.. They always bring out the live your life quote said by axl, or the one album and bonus tracks.. Fuck that shit already, it's just a bunch of horseshit..

It's going on 6 years already and a few bandmembers came n gone, one album isn't much to ask for.. ;)

I?ve already mentioned that matter and my thought short and sweet few pages back and I'm not double posting it.

Well, Say, they got into difficulties (e.g. lawsuit or whatever) and Brain was like you or Mike while Tommy was like Young Gunner.?and to make matters worse, Brain was a bad correspondent which he seems to be actually, then what else do you expect?

It?s just an example of hypothesis off the top of my head.

And me too wanna see him calling GNR "MY" Band louder than a bomb.

I like metallicas old stuff better than their new stuff. DO i go to thier message boards and complain and whine and this and that to their fans? I also hate many bands and their music. But do I go to their sites and critisize and judge and look over them with a microscope and tell their fans that it sux or whatver? nope

Then dont comment on the new band if you arent happy with how things are going

Theres nothing I can say to you other than imagine if there were a shitload of people on the vr board complaining day in and day out about everything imaginable. From how they look to how they sound. Everyday non stop. It would get old and annoying. BEcaus eyou might love them but your always having to defend them.
Im not saying you have to love this band. They havnt done anything yet. BUt i dont need to hear people say how they arent a band when in actuality they are

First off, thanks to scabbie. Secondly, trust uncle Axl. That's why I'm here. All good things to those who wait, Clarice. So I keep on waiting. :yes:

i guess it's some weeks/months old. cause - at least mysteron said that - that gnrcamp is very busy. that was before tommy started up his tour again.

Perhaps you want a "I think CD will come out soon" from Robin too ?  :smoking:

I think it's interesting he says they *were* in Guns N Roses. It does sound like he left, but then he goes to say he would still love to be a part of GNR if they start up again. So I don't take it as if he left, but that he's doing his own thing until Axl gets his act together.

look it from their side, not fans

They been workin intensly togerher in studio, undergrund for years...

A break would only do good, i think they appreciate it since they sure have been workin a lot as musicians...

and still brain seems eager to harvest his effort, i think the break could help the band synergie in the long run-
-since they would have a past to look back on instead of produce-release-tour-what now?

they will have a kind of gettin back together again feel, it's good

and axl is like a good grade student musicwise, we hears and seen his new elements which each is very potent, imo
and without gnr googles, it's logically that a good-grade student will deliver a work thats good

and also, since it has appealed b4, it likely that the next will suit you aswell

Look at it this way, its a win win situation for the band. While they are waiting for Axl to finish CD, they can do side projects & tour or whatever they want and when CD comes out, theyll tour behind that.

I wonder if during a GNR tour, some of these side projects will appear?  Maybe before a show or two Tommy will come on stage and play a couple of his tunes.

Never know

The part in which he says the bucket guy and him "were still" in gnr is strange at least. It seems as his parts in the album will still be respected but  he's currently not commited to gnr.

maybe in the future he will be just a musician contracted for a gnr tour??

What break?  ??? Was there anything else in the last 7 years than breaks? I think that they had a short break in 2002, when they stopped doing nothing.

Were YOU there? Didn't think so.

Its nice to hear that the music written is fucking good but does anyone know what the fuck goes on in this band? Sheez.. I dont blame anyone for walking out on Axl, this is ridiculous and insane! This is not even 1 member does the business and decisions stuff because this is way out of that ballpark! Dont be day dreaming with something its not, this is clearly fucked up in anyway you see it.
I say dont get to mushy with the musicians cuz quite frankly regardless if they like being with Axl or not they have no clue of nothing or their own future in that band.

Sad.

Sound to me like Brain has his head on straight. I'm sure that any other working musician would do essentially the same thing. When there is GNR stuff to do you do it, when it's done you go do something else. Thats not so diffucult to get your head around.

Axl calls and says 'its time to record', you go to the studio and do GNR stuff. Axl says 'let's tour now' you go on tour and do GNR stuff. Tour ends, nothing is going on, you go do something else. That's pretty much what you do in a band. You work when its time to work (a rock band isn't exactly on a 9 to 5 schedule, vacations can be long or none at all), and then you go keep yourself busy until it's time to work again.

I don't see why Brain would be obligated to keep in touch all the time anyway, if I were him I would do the same thing. When it finally gets down to getting the album out and Axl wants him to tour Axl will call him. I doubt Axl would be all too happy with everyone else in the group calling him every week going 'Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Is it done yet? Are we going on tour yet?'  :hihi:

years of studio and recording, rehearsals... you name it,
 if you take the fan-googles out it's easier since it's only fans who had a dead-era...

gnr seem to have worked intensly for fuckin years, imo, a break is most likely only good 4 them b4 the presentation

and it's actually nothing wrong with axl havin the final say when the product is done-
-still a band :peace:

I love how all the haters try and turn a postive interview into a negative  ::)

I would have loved to see Axl give that freedom to the old band... "hey Duff and Matt stop fucking around with Neurotics YOU NEED TO PAY ATTENTION TO GNR" hey Slash stop doing that Snakepit stuff... whatever, an entire band dumped him because they couldnt stand it.
Now he realized ok, let them do whatever they want but they will live in limbo.  ::)

Maybe they'd been working on the new material, but I don't know how hard they did, cause what we've heard was some mediocre stuff, and it was only 6 songs. As 'news' say, they didn't really work on the album in the last 2 years, maybe with the exception of Axl. So I don't know why'd they need a break, it seems like they'd love to do GN'R, but something (someone) makes it impossible... Anyway, there are three possibilities left: 1. the material isn't as good as Axl (and we) want it to be 2. Axl is insane and doesn't want to release the album, altohugh it's ready 3. They haven't finished the album cause they lack creativity. I don't know which version is the best or the worst.

i know i may not sound like a true GNR fan but as long as its axl in it, i could honestly care less who plays drums or whatever.

i never really thought Brain was that great of a drummer anyway with his "St Anger" drum tone, so i honestly could care less to be honest

"Thier Led Zeppelin II?!"?? :o :drool:

(Actually it might be more accurate to say Appetite was GN'R's Led Zeppelin II and Chinese Democracy could be the band's Led Zeppelin IV.? : ok:? :peace:

for someone who doesnt like led zeppelin the led zepplin comparisons dont do anything for me, i hope its better than led zepplin 4

Yeah, you'd prefer it to be called their "Slippery When Wet".  :P

 ;)


For those of you not familiar with II, this is what Amazon says: Led Zeppelin II is an album of Jimmy Page riffs so huge, and John Paul Jones/John Bonham rhythms so deep, that the heavy metal genre this classic helped create has tried for decades to catch up, mostly without success. And no wonder: since II catches the band before they'd headed too far into their ridiculous medieval fancies, this might be as good as Zep would ever be. Regardless, the thunderous "Whole Lotta Love," a Top 5 hit, and "Bring It on Home" are very nearly as fierce and twisted as British white blues would ever get. --David Cantwell




/jarmo

Here is a prediction, from reading that interview, there will be no album in 2005. So have a merry fucken christmas.
This GnR situation has turned into the dumbest fucken thing ever.

so few? are you pessimistic? :P


he may suffer from chronic snooze disease :hihi:

It's vere cool that brain are still commited, now if he only could talk to buckethead...

4. Axl will wait until the most stupid fan on earth opens his eyes.  >:(

Now I feel very pessimistic? :-\

you're the one who's stupid if you think it's only three possibillities :-\

when they say it's done it most likely is, cool that brain is intresiting going back to work more with tours, videos etc
is the whole article online? b fun 2 read :yes:

Norway, no way I meant you. Well,  you knew which ppl I meant, but just in case. :hihi:

This Brian interview on top of Tommy?s and Dizzy?s indicates those 1.~ 3. likely stories are off the point, and made me lean to  4.