Here Today... Gone To Hell!

It seems that the Ju Ju Hounds have unfortunately disbanded while recording their second album. Izzy has been spotted playing with fellow Gunners Duff McKagan and Matt Sorum and an all-star band at the opening show of The Joint in Las Vegas in Spring '95, and appeared at the encore of the Slash's Snakepit show in Chicago to play the Stones' "Bitch". He also wrote some new material with Axl and Duff for a new Guns N' Roses album, but no confirmation has been made whether he was back in the band or not.

Just found this on the internet can anybody shed any light on this as to whether its true or not.

I read an interview in Metal Hammer in late 1995 in which Slash talked about the state of GN'R. He said that they had 2 candidates for the position of the second guitarist but since they didn't wanna be 'Ozzy N' Roses', they'd choose Izzy over Zakk Wylde and they'd stick for these 'Stones-style' rock. Well, Axl chose Paul Ono.

So id be right in saying this was all before Sympathy For The Devil was recorded?

No, it was after. The whole band wanted Huge to go and they tried out different guitarists. (That's why Matt later recommended Finck.) It seems that even Axl was a partner in this, because he liked the idea of having two of the greatest guitarists in his band (Slash N' Zakk). But it didn't work, then Izzy came into the picture, then Finck. And when Slash gave an ultimatum to Axl to choose between him and Huge, Axl chose Huge.  :'(

Slash 95

How much work towards the next Guns album did you expect the rest of the band to have done when you finished the Snakepit tour?
"When I left town, Axl and Matt and Duff and I had worked on new material. I hadn't heard Axl sing anything, but he was there while we were fucking around jamming.
"And we tried out different guitar players, did that whole bullshit thing with Zakk (Wylde)... Just to get that story straight, it's nothing against Zakk, it was just not the right... I love jamming with Zakk on his own, as a separate entity, but in Guns N' Roses it doesn't sound right.
"Anyway, they were supposed to keep working while I was gone. That's why Matt didn't come on tour with us, because he was supposed to help keep that foundation for them to jam. Well they only jammed like twice since I was gone, so no one had really been doing anything."
There have been rumours about Izzy writing for the next Guns album, leading to further rumours and speculation that he's going to re-join the band. How much truth is involved there, and how do you get on with Izzy these days?
"Izzy jammed with Snakepit in Chicago, and we did a Stones song, and it was great to see him. But Izzy quit Guns because of the same bullshit that sort of forced me to take off for a while.
"He's been writing; he wrote some stuff with Duff. He wants to write songs, but he doesn't wanna deal with the whole thing. And it took me a while to finally get to the point where I couldn't handle it either, y'know?
"He wants to write material, but he's not really sure what he wants to do. He's so laid back. He doesn't want to deal any pressure. Izzy does what he wants to do.
"As much as has gone on, and as much as I resent Izzy for quitting and all that, and leaving me in weird spots where I had to find a replacement weeks before the next leg of a tour, or if he didn't play on the "Use Your Illusion" records - which is for the most part true - looking back on it, Izzy's Izzy."
What do you mean he didn't play on "...Illusion" albums?!
"I had to double guitars up for him on most of it. He didn't play very much."
Have any songs actually been written for the next GN'R album?
"Yeah! We've got tapes of what Axl considers great songs, which from my point of view is just me playing the guitar! I haven't heard any lyrics or any vocals, so I don't know what a song is until then. You know what I mean?"

i think it would have been cool to have Zakk in the band but it interesting to think that Izzy may have been considering going back to GNR

Slash left Guns because Slash chose to, not Axl.

Sure, don't see why he had to put up with Axl's bullshit

Slash gave an ultimatum: him or Huge. Axl chose Huge. Slash left.

So, explain me how you see yourself why you have to put up with "Axl?s" bullshit you mentioned, I mean, to come here?
I don?t see why you have to.

I don't think so

Me neither. Maybe Axl chose "both". And Slash: "fuck you". I don't buy this "Axl fired everybody to stick with Huge" thing.  :no:

Slash was forced to leave because the options that where chosen wherent of his liking, I cant believe people still dont understand this. Yes he left on his own choice but he had no option regarding his point of view. AGH I HATE PETS!

Again, maybe you'll understand it now. Axl wanted his own Paul to be in the band. The others didn't want Paul, Slash hated him from the first time. Slash said he didn't want to work with Huge/Tobias, but Axl wanted Paul's contribution. Then Slash told Axl that he wouldn't play with Paul, so Axl had to choose: if he sticks with Paul then Slash will quit. Axl chose Paul. Slash quit. He wasn't forced to quit, but Axl did everything he could have done to rid of Slash. That's it. You can't be serious thinking that not the lead guitarists words count the most when it's about who'll be the second guitarist. I really understand slash's decision although it must have been really fuckin' hard for him.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE FUCK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! :rant:

I'm afraid you have no idea. Let's read some GN'R articles and interviews.  : ok:

Last time I checked, in fact everytime I checked Paul was never in the band....

Really?

Paul was one of the best people we knew who was both available and capable of complimenting Slash?s style.But Paul was only interested in complimenting Slash, laying down a foundation of a riff or something. That would accent or encourage slash's lead playing. Now whether or not Paul was going to be officially on the album or on the tour that really wasn?t an actual consideration at the time.


Do you know who brought the birdman into the picture?

Surely Paul was never in the band. Surely. He was only always around as an evil spirit. And his guitar playing sucks, everyone who has ever played guitar can tell it.

But...it is writen if the Evil Spirit Arms the Tiger with claws Brahman provided wings for the Dove Thus spake the Super Guru" * "Did you hear that"

do you have a song or album I can base that critisim on?

who said that?

His guitar playing. You know, there are bootlegs. He plays with as much mistakes as a beginner. He was horrible. On the other hand Slash and Matt didn't have a high opinion on his skills. They were right, Paul just not talented. Oh, I almost forgot to add his contribution to Sympathy. Really lame guitar playing.



You don't remember, don't you? Then do a search  : ok:

Perhaps it is you who should read interviews by Slash and Axl on this issue, and articles released at the time Slash quit the band.

So your going to base Paul on a couple of bootlegs from back in RIo and vegas?

How would you know what he can bring to the table if you dont have an album or atleast a song to base him on.

If I go by you... I can say Robin is a great guitar player because I think he plays great on the bootlegs.

Yes, thats why the ever so great Dave Kushner is playing right next to them. Shows they have the nack of picking a diamond in the dirt as my man fity says...

More than liekly he wasnt even going to be in the band

nope....and nope...you brought it up so provide the quote

GNR was hopeless in the mid-90s. Axl definately wasnt contributing anything, so its another good reason Slash decided to leave, even if he wasnt fired. Axl wasnt doing shit.

It went reall offtopic, but... Paul isn't talented at all, and yes, his live playin' tells everything. Dave Kushner is so much better. Do you play guitar? He's technically better than Huge or Finck, whose live playin' also horrible.

I won't do a search for you just because you are a young gunner and haven't read enough articles. But it was mentioned for a lot of times on even this board, so... but just for you:

Slash, Duff and Matt chose Scott Weiland and Dave Kushner to play in their new band. That about says it all...

yea ok...

actually ive probably read every article that can be found on the internet

Now where in that statement does Sorum say Axl wants Finck to play lead over Slash?
Do you honestly think Axl wanted Slash to play rhythm or something? Axl wanted duel guitar players. not 1.

Have you all forgotten that not only did Paul play on Sympathy for The Devil, but also live for the tour, and ALSO, on OH MY GOD!

So yes Young Gunner.  There is plenty of material to listen to his playing.  That said, I don't think he's as bad as some people make out.

And I do play guitar.

Two bootlegs (only two are available) and two songs is plenty of material?

He didn't play on any tour. He played at the three Las Vegas shows and RIR3.



/jarmo

this is full of crap... Not everyone opposed Tobias - Axl and Dizzy didn't, and to my knowledge Duff didn't say he was bad for the band, he only said the way he was brought in was wrong. It turns into a real old Axl vs everyone topic, but it goes all wrong there when people forget that it was Gilby, Matt and Slash writing the Snakepit album that caused a split in the band. Duff, Dizzy and Axl did not want to release that under the name GnR, so we're talking about a 3 vs 3 split. Gilby even stated this and others has indicated it several times. By choosing Slash, Axl would've had to choose It's Five O' Clock Somewhere. By choosing Paul, he could move forward. And yeah, Paul Tobias wrote "Back Off Bitch". It's better than anything on the Snakepit album! Izzy wasn't possible to choose since Izzy didn't want to deal with it (enough). Izzy could've contributed some, but obviously Axl didn't wanna count on someone he knew could leave if he found something better to do. That's some of Izzy's charm, but at the same time it doesn't make it easy. I know Izzy and Duff recorded music in 95/96 for Izzy's "117 degrees" in 95 or 96, and I've also heard Axl and Izzy wrote for GnR. That may be true.

And I don't call Axl "William Bailey" since he doesn't like it so then it's not right to call Paul "Paul Huge" when he doesn't like that name either! It's about paying the respect for that guy!

"I'm more interested in having the music talk first, then I'll say what happened later."
Axl

Yes, two full songs, is plenty of material to judge someone.  And 4 shows.  Fine... plenty.

Again, Tobias was more than likely never going to be in the band.

 You talk about this eye for talent that Sorum and Slash posses....Mr Dave Kushner everybody

Whats are you saying?  Dave Kushner isnt talented?  And if so, what do you base this on?

Im saying that some1 previously said that Tobias is no good because Slash and Sorum didnt approve of him. SO I look at what they approve of and its nothing special either.

I have a whole album to judge Kushner on. I have shows to watch Kushner. Hes an ok player on CB and has no stage presence.

Wow, it's really amazing to see how the Israel/Palestina conflict started.....

C'mon guys, neither of you were there and people have a different taste. You can go on like this forever but no one will ever be right. Give it up.

Presence and talent are two different thingsm but I disagree anyway.

(Watches "Set Me Free" from Weenie Roast)

Yeah man, he sucks. : ok:

Wasnt Back Off Bitch written in the early days..I seem to recall seeing it on the set-list of the inside cover of the Hollywood Rose album..I could be wrong but i remember this for some reason

why the hell do you guys talk piss about Kushner when you clearly don't know much about technical aspects in guitarplaying?
first of all, both Dave Navarro and Slash would not have chosen him if he wasn't any better than ok.
second, I have seen him live and he kicked ass, both presence and playing. much more solid than Robin Finck, won't say he's better, but more stabile and less sloppy. and he's a helluva lot better than Paul!!
Id say he's about the same level player as Richard Fortus, pure professional players, Finck rides a lot on a certain style while Fortus and Kushner are more allround.
(and yes, I play guitar plus several other instruments..)

wow, i like richards rythhm section and the solo's (especially rocket queen), his good,
he's seems like a really good standard player, with the lack of a better word, and reminds me of what i hear from educated guitarist, profesional you know, but not a guitargod- can't wait 2 hear cd

and buckethead knows both skill and melody

i guess izzy is anywhere and everywhere when it comes to work

in a pure technical sense, Buckethead is waay beyond most other guitarplayers out there.

god that guy knows how to play

yep, insane shredding genious. he's not like other guys that are pure shredders though, there's more to his playing, know wha I mean? :D : ok:

I know, currently listenin to welcome to buckeheadland :beer:

ops, we're jackin the thread :nervous:

 :P

well, yeah... it was written in 1981 or 82 or so... it was written when this incredibly bad and totally incompetent Paul Tobias was 19 years old. I mean, everyone could write a song that could be on an album selling 16+ million copies! And not to mention that, he fuckin' wrote Shadow Of Your Love too! Anyone could at least write three songs a great bands did! Yeah, suck my fuckin' joint! And if I am to take a fast guess at how many great songs Kushner wrote??? uh, how about zero??

Well, for those of you I did not piss off until now check out my page GnRinfo.tk for more info about the songs. And check out info about a complete page 10 times bigger (and a lot more informative BASED ON FACTS AND QUOTES) at the GnRnation.com. I want to have the story there as well as some special surprises. as SOON as possible!

and younggunner, you're probably a lot more right than you may think you are when you read other posts here! I don't really post here often but I post whenever I see thing that pisses me off with people ignoring certain interviews and listening to others and what you say seemed objective enough to me. And that goes for the estranged dude too! For the rest, I can only be as arrogant as Axl can be...

whoops, hope they don't notice..! :nervous:

prolly not ::)

have you heard his odb remix? shows he can play whats  mainstream too,

never heard that izzy worked with paul

no I haven't heard it, but I know he can play mainstream! : ok:

I highly doubt Izzy worked with Paulie, I think Iz was writing songs with Duff only.

try http://bucketheadland.com/mp3/odb_mix_3%20(master).mp3  :)

maybe they were hangin at the studio around same time?

How the hell do you even know that?   :nervous:

Whats up HTGTH
I have been a lurker for about three years now. This topic is interesting. I am a professional guitarist, so I thought I would put in my two cents on the abilities of GNR guitarists.

Slash-  More soul and feeling than all of us put together, however he is not technicaly perfect. He has the best phrasing and tone I have heard, the only people that compare in my opinion are David Guilmore and Mark Knophler.

Buckethead- I can understand why non guitar players may not like him. If you have any musical background however, I do not see how you (at the very least) respect the mans tallent. If you are a guitar fan and dislike buckethead I recomend that you see him do a solo show.  He is lacking in soul and feeling though ( as almost all technically great guitarists are).

Izzy- the perfect blues rythem player to compliment Slash. I really don't have anything negative about his playing other than he probably would not fit in with most other bands.

Fortus- See Izzy. Seems like a good player that would be a better lead man than Fink.

Fink- Sorry but from what I have heard the man is lucky to be playing lead in any band, let alone GNR. His ability seems limited, and his tone is even worse. His rythem is OK.

That is just my opinion. I am sure I will catch a lot of hell since I am a newbie.

Thanks

Hey, i'm a big fan of david :beer:

listened to nin? finch has almost a distinctive sound there, the tours didn't seem to reveal him, imo

maybe on chi dem :peace:

Yeah, especially on....ah...uh...uhhhh...

Actually, I dont think he played on any NIN records.  :-\


I believe theyre the only thing thats revealed him?

huh ??? did i miss out on anything?, last i knew was he played guitar in nin :yes:

pretty good too, a little different style than your average rock-shredder

No, he's only part of the live band. You can hear him on NIN's live album "And all that could have been" and on one track on a remix album, I believe.

huh? i seen him in get credits 4 dead souls and think i seen him videos, confused...

he is NOT the one playing guitar on the nin albums? :o

i had noticed but its been made more interesting so carry on

Reznor does most of the recording by himself, and additional guitars are usually provided by Danny Lohner. No Robin.

Robin played with Buckethead (and Vai and Anthrax) on Ghost Of Mars soundtrack. There's some great tunes in this album.   : ok:

Downward Spiral guitars: Danny Lohner, Adrian Belew

The Fragile guitars: Adrian Belew, Danny Lohner

I believe Fincks only NIN credit is And All That Could Have Been, a live album...He might have played on a B-Side EP or something.  Nothings hes done has been original, as far as I know.

What? Would you mind to read my post?
Thanks.

Would you like to read my post in context?  : ok:

He did co-write a bside.. I just can't remember for the life of me which one it is.

He also played on Further Down the Spiral and the Still CD.

If you find out which one, let me know.  Id be interested to check it out.