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SORUM QUIT GN'R OVER AXL ARROGANCE   
 


Drummer MATT SORUM was fired from rock group GUNS N' ROSES when he objected to AXL ROSE's declaration that he was the only vital member of the band.

Sorum, now playing in supergroup VELVET REVOLVER, first flew into a rage after hearing guitarist PAUL HUGE slam former Guns guitarist SLASH.

He then went on to leave the WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE band after falling out with Rose over his arrogant belief the group only needed him.

Sorum says, "I said (to Huge), 'Listen motherf**ker, when I'm sitting in the room, I'd appreciate it if you don't f**king say s**t about Slash. He's my friend.'

"Then Axl got in my face. I said, 'Axl, man, you're f**king smoking crack if you think this band's GN'R without Slash. You're gonna go play SWEET CHILD O' MINE with f**king Paul Huge? Sorry dude, it ain't gonna sound right.'

"Axl says, 'I'm Guns N' Roses - I don't need Slash. I'm Guns N' Roses.' I said, 'You know what? No, you aren't.'

"This bulls**t went on for about another 20 minutes. And then Axl finally said, 'Well, are you gonna f**king quit?' I said, 'I don't f**king quit.'

"So he said, 'Well, then you're f**king fired.' Paul Huge chased me out to the parking lot and said, 'Just come back in and apologise.'

"I said, 'F**k you, YOKO. I'm gone.' And that was it. I went home to my f**king six-level palatial rock star estate with two elevators. About a month later I got the letter from the lawyers."

 

Meh, I could picture it going down like that... Matt's a shit-disturber when it comes to lead singers apparently.  :P

Matt doesn't take shit from singers you mean, or yoko huge ...

I never tire of this anecdote... Matt rocks.  Anyone who says otherwise is smokin' crack ;)

I had read that a while back, if it's the way he felt then good for him, it's cool how he stcuk up for slash with paul bashing him,..

The yoko of gnr  :rofl:

I'm sure both sides have calmed down since, it was just built up shit and frustration I'm sure.

I will like to know what was said on the rest of the 20 minutes before i can judge the situation.
Sorum selected only one part of the conversation to make him sound right.
That is bullshit. Give as the whole real conversation to make us Judge.

If that's true then I respect Matt more now for doing that than I ever have

this news is sooo old

i always thought axl got way to big for his boots.

Thats very true

 ???

Like a transcription of an argument from 7 years ago?

Sorum said they argued over whether Axl was solely GNR or not for 20 minutes...

Matt, you're fired! The whole idea that "you're fired" is Donald Trump's saying is bullshit! That's Axl's signature phrase.

Well I don't see that as an ego trip ...Matt was an hired gunner that could be fired ... Slash wasn't there anymore if he thought the band wasn't GNR anymore without him he should had left ... Slash did it, Duff did it. He's the drummer not the diva...

for someone pissed about the keyboards and not wantin to sign up for that he sure fuckin stuck around long enough!

matt reminds me of me, but as i'm sure he knows by now, me can be wrong, very very very wrong!!!! 8)

i think it is fucking cool tho how he stuck up for slash and didn't take shit from axl, that takes some balls.  :smoking:

You can say what you want about Matt, he had integrity to leave becauee a friend was being put down by a band yes man. If any of you have played in a band you'd know that a band member bringing an unwanted outsider or girlfriend into band business (singwriting, gigs etc) because they like them  is a NO NO in music terms.
Matt could have stayed for the easy pay check and said nothing, Slash would have never known what was said about him in that studio. Instead Matt left GnR because he wouldn't let Slash be run down by 'YOKO THE BLOW IN' Huge.
Matt left and did 10 years without a decent gig (bar the Cults quick but ill-fated reunion) just like the others.
That took balls.
'Nuff Said.
Intercourse.

i hate the way axl says "im guns n roses" he sounds like a evil dictator. axl and his  :rant: s

A very valid arguement on Sorum's side would be that Axl did this without Duff's consent. Duff was still in the band and  has said many times that he wished Axl had consolidated him b/f firing Matt, that in my book proves Matt's point. Axl thought, and still thinks' he is G n' R. 

I think that to this day Matt is still hurt by this and other things Axl has done to him. Cutting his loyalties, listing him as an " Additional Musican", ect.  I honestly thing that's why Matt trashes Axl. He says things he knows will offend Axl. 

I personally think it's time fro Matt to grow up, drop the groupies and let the past be the past.

Later,

Blair

1. Axl may not have been GNR, but he was without a doubt the most vital part of it.

2. Matt is an albatross. ;D

yeah, Axl's probably said it more times than Trump. ;D

when I think of most vital I think of Axl & Slash. The two who everyone knows about. Axl has the signature voice but Slash has the signature guitar sound.  Izzy and Duff are pretty vital too but not to the general public. who don't even know who they are.

When have you heard Axl say that himself?

the interview, i was quoting from the interview!            :no:

That doesn't mean he was the ONLY vital part of it - like Top-Hatted One said, Axl and Slash are almost neck and neck.  At any rate, it doesn't give Axl the right to say "I'm Guns N' Roses".  To me, Guns N' Roses were always like a gang, and when one guy starts to think it's all him, that just rampant egomania.

What you obviously are forgetting is the fact that Slash quit Gn'R on his own. Wether or not Axl is Gn'R was irrelevant in that discussion. What did Matt wan't Axl to do? Beg Slash to come back? Well Slash wouldn't have come back unless Axl had changed his opinions on the musical direction, and that is just as stupid as claiming that you're a band on your own.

And before you start slamming Axl for his comments you should read some basic psychology and find the real meaning behind them.

Matt Sorum found him playing with Cirque Du Soleil. "I told Axl to see him and he said, 'That's our guitar player,"' says Sorum. "I said, 'Bring in Robin to play alongside Slash,' but Axl said, 'I want him to play lead."'

Just A Little Patience
Spin, July 1999


Matt's complaint is that GN'R needs Slash and Paul couldn't replace him. Obviously it seems like Axl wasn't going to replace Slash with Paul.

Slash quit around 1995 or so (it was made official in 1996), Matt stayed around until 1997 (I think).

If he thought they couldn't continue without Slash, why did he stay?

I would've liked if the interviewer had asked him: "Well, why didn't you quit the day Slash left?".....



/jarmo

I'm sorry, but I believe Chinese Democracy will be released in the next ten minutes more than I believe in this interview.

And by the way, why is this in the Velvet Revolver section?  ::)

Any reason why?

Think real hard about what band Matt Sorum is in right now.

Read real hard my post again.

haha

Article name: The Boys are Back in Town

Matt Sorums departure was less amicable. The drummer, now 44 and drug-free, remebers one night in early 1995 as if it were yesterday. Sorum arived at the Complex studios in Santa Monica to hear Axl talking with Paul Huge, the Guitarist bought in to replace Gilby Clarke (himself Izzy Stradlins replacement). When Sorum heard Huge slating Slash, he snapped.

"I said, Listen motherfucker, when I'm sitting in the room, I'd appreciate it if you don't fucking say sh*t about Slash. He's my friend. Then Axl got in my face. I said, Axl, man you're fucking smoking crack if you think this band is GN'R without Slash. You're gonna go play Sweet child o' mine with fucking Paul Huge? Sorry, dude, it ain't gonna sound right. Axl says, 'I'm Guns N' Roses - I don't need Slash. I'm Guns N' Roses.' I said You know what? No you aren't. This bullshit went on for another 20 minutes. And then Axl finally said, 'Well are you gonna fucking quit?' I said, I don't fucking quit! So he said, 'Well, then you're fucking fired.'

"Paul Huge chased me out to the parking lot and said 'Just come back in and apologise!' I said, f*ck you Yoko! I'm gone. I went home to my fucking six level palatial rock star estate with two elevators. About a month later I got the letter from the lawyers.

Font http://www.uzisuicide.com.ar/foros/index.php?showtopic=1041&st=0

As aggravating as Axl's behavior can be, I've never liked Matt Sorum and I'm glad he's not in the band anymore. I like that Matt stuck up for Slash, but then, I'd like to know just what Paul actually said about Slash that pissed Matt off. I wonder if it was a real putdown, or just something like "I wouldn't play it that way [like Slash]." I think it's telling that Scott Weiland isn't getting along with Sorum either. They needed a new drummer in 90, but if I was starting a band today, of the former GNR drummers, I'd take Steven in a heartbeat.

I can see it now...Axl sitting in the boardroom, doing his best Donald Trump. Matt, You're fucking fired(points with his hand). Classic. :rofl:

Yeah Ive heard that same story before and it still sounds pretty intense. You definately dont want to piss Axl off, but at the same time I probably would have stuck up for Slash if the situation called for it.

at least Matt had the balls to tell Axl the truth. You can love or hate Matt Sorum, but he told Axl the truth.

Lol that isa classic. :rofl: :rofl:

Good on matt for sticking up for Slash, i dont think matt was intimitated by Axl as i think the other other members were. Axl doesn't like anybody thinking anything unless it's what Axl's thinking. I think matt hit a nerve.

Well, that?s just Matt?s point of view. but there are always two sides of a medaille. Who knows if this is true?

I think Axl needs other persons that "yes men" around him. He needs people to tell him the truth and stop sucking his dick just because he is Mister Rose himself. and that's what Matt did and that was great. Maybe he should have punched him, sometimes it can have good effects. Beeing a celebrity doesn't allow you to make everything you want and ternish the name of one of the greatest Rock band ever toward those who make you become famous and win money: THE FANS. Now Axl can release the greatest record of all time if he wants, he can write plenty of "november rain" or "estranged", the fact is that it will never be a Guns n' Roses record. Never ever. Once again it's nt a critic against the new bandmembers (as Brain said himself, only money makes sense to him, he doesn't give a flying shit about Guns n' Roses, money money money, he should have played in ABBA), but against Axl. He is not Guns n' Roses. Not alone. Guns n' Roses is a band. Not an individual runaway ego.

yes, for you, and it will be a gunsnroses record for millions other :yes:

whats right for you ain't right for everyone :peace:

Well it is, so get used to it. You sound like a fucking broken record  :rant:

Remember people, there are TWO sides to every story  :yes:

Who cares about the old times? I?m lookin forward to a new GnR record. If Matt & Co think they still have to cry about the past...ok
With all this silence about Axl, I?m really happy that he doesn?t talk that much BS.

I do like the fact that Matt stuck up for Slash. ?Honestly though, Matt can suck my dick! ?I never have liked that guy.

And I'm so spent on all these "so and so is GNR" talks. ?Give it up already. ?In twenty years weather Axl puts out an album or not. ?People are going to remember GNR for their music. ?In twenty years, people's favorite GNR tunes may include a few tracks off of Appetite, one or two from Lies, a few from the Illusions and a few from Chinese Democracy, and any other albums that are put out. ?It's not going to matter who was in the band at that time. ?Good music says it all. ?

I too... ;D

I remember seeing an interview with matt where he said that it wouldn't be the same seeing someone else playing drums while GN'R played SCOM. ?I thought that he specifically mentioned SCOM was rather bizarre since he wasn't in the bad when they recorded that song. ?The he talks about his rock star mansion but in another interview he said that he needed VR to start touring because he had no money. ?He is so profoundly full of crap it's hard to believe.

To sum it all up, matt scrotum is an assclown. : ok:

The story about the mansion takes place around 1997 (thats 6 years before VR, in case you need further claification).  And I dont recall him saying he had "no money," so feel free to post that quote up.  I read an interview where he said hes a working musician, he didnt want the new band to just be a hobby and wanted to get out there quickly.  It didnt translate as "no money" to me...and nowhere did he talk about losing his mansion.  But in the chance that he did, remember, 1997, 2003 - two different time periods. : ok:

That's a pretty funny exchange actually.  If Paul was really saying bad things about Slash, I would have done the same thing.  As much as I like Matt, he does many times show "how good he is," like mentioning his rock-star mansion and always trying to one-up everyone.  But he's a great drummer and a pretty nice guy for the most part.

Yeah , ok Mr. Matt Sorum.
I'm sure that's exactly what you said.

If there is another drummer who plays primarily for booze, chicks and money.........

+1
Paul Huge...ahhh paul huge tobias.... I have always had a bad feeling about him. a sort of mini-mafia in the GN'R camp. the guy who would have loved to fill slash's shoes and be famous but whithout 1/10 of Slash's talent.

This has been posted before (matt n axl story..)

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=16886.0

I had the same feeling and even remembered to some sentences...

1995/1996 were very dark years in GN'R history... I remember internet didn't exist at the time so it was hard to get info, but I knew there were lots of troubles. To tell you the truth, I though it was totally over and forever.

Weird, I started the site in October 1996. Maybe I created the Internet....  :hihi:


Topics merged.




/jarmo

in 1996 I didn't know what "internet" was like? :hihi:
I had internet in 1997 I think. I suppose there weren't lots if visits in 1996 no? Do you remember how many people visited your website by day in 1996? However I remember the very begining of gnrfrance, there were really very few people visiting the website at the begining, and the URL was like gunsfrance.ifrance.com or something like that.

In 1997 everyone had websites like www.geocities.com/20453/sunsetstrip/4434/index.html  :hihi:

i am very disappointed how quick some of you are willing to accept the word of Matt irregardless of what the truth may be.

Wow, Sorum's story is as self serving and egotisitical as some of you accuse axl to be.

Before you exalt Mr. Sorum for sustaining the moral high ground and backing up his friends, perhaps you should hear both sides of the debacle. From what i remember, Axl said that Matt went in with the attitude that he wanted to get fired, that he was looking for a fight. There is probably alot more to this than Mr. Sorum's account. Take it for what it's worth.

Don't you mean 1994-2004 were/are dark years in GN'R history  ... hard to get info, members comming and going, CD nowhere in sight...  :P

I think we got internet around 91 in sweden...  ::)

Face it, Paul Huge is just more talented than Slash. End of story.

err.... what? I don't think so, it's hard to make a judgement based soley on Sympathy for the Devil and some boots, but Slash is in a league that very few can lay claim to - legendary guitar heroes ie: Page, Angus Young, Hendrix, Van Halen etc...
Huge appears to be a "yes-man" that Axl wanted and considering the other members wanted nothing to do with the guy, Im prepared to believe Slash, Matt etc.. on this one

However, your post was probably a joke anyway right?

I have a life, i don't menorise matt scrotum interviews but since you're an obsessive with no life i'm sure you can look through them.  He said that he wanted VR to tour more than the other guys because he needed an income.  Why would i just make something like that up?  It's such a bizarre thing for you to allude to. ::)