Here Today... Gone To Hell!

ive been thinkin about the new cd and then i realized that it is possible for this album to be loaded with crap like "silk worms" and "my world" also with november rain-esque shit and also wannabe NIN stuff. anyway if it is like this ill be pissed that i waited this long for a friggin NIN tribute cd.

If it is just that one part from "pretty tied up"  repeated all the time, I'll consider it an awesome record. You know where it goes:

Friay ni-ight is going...

or the

We just needed more and more fulfilling..

I swear that has to be 2 of the greatest sounding verses in the history of rock.

peace...freedom...democracy!  Did you listen to it? Just go to the House of Blues, and you can listen to it on audio, its awesome. God- I love this guy!

It'll be great! I mean anything that's taken 6 years to make has to be, Right? :nervous:

Apparently it's supposed to sound like Appetite For Destruction... This side of the CD must still be hidden.

Anyways, if we get a CD like what you mentioned, I think I will stop listening to music altogether.

My hope is that Axl will remain true to rock n' roll and it will be like AFD; my fear is that he will cater to contemporary trends and it will be shit, like Silkworms and Rhiad. In that case, I am packing it in and swearing off GNR. Forever.

"album to be loaded with crap like "silk worms" and "my world" also with november rain-esque shit" wow, you don't like guns n roses.

I remember Axl saying that CD is going to be more Appetite style of album...but what that really means, considering all new songs that we've heard. If you want true rock Appetite style music, you should maybe wait also Velvet Revolver, I think it's going to be more rock and roll than Axl's new album..but who knows, again I may be truly wrong about this.

"album to be loaded with crap like "silk worms" and "my world" also with november rain-esque shit" wow, you don't like guns n roses.

Hey man i love gnr i just hate that one song november rain cuz it slows down a concert and it kinda marks the point that gnr stopped makin real rock n roll.
and lets be honest did anyone like "silk worms" and "my world"

When was it that Axl made November Rain? If I remember correctly, he did have a raw version of it for quite some time.

actually I think My World is great song.

He may still be a huge fan and just not want to be dissappointed.  I mean he did mention 3 of the worst all time GNR songs.  If CD is full of that shit, then I won't even bother to buy it.  I'll just download and listen to it once for the novelty of it.

/Tulip

"When was it that Axl made November Rain? If I remember correctly, he did have a raw version of it for quite some time."

my point is gnr never recorded it till the uyi albums which was the first time gnr didnt play all rockers all the time (except "patience") and whether or not axl wrote that song a while ago it wasn't ever part of gnr's history till uyi

What about SCOM and Think About You, those songs were on Appetite, and aren't truely "rockers"

A little bit country....a little bit rock n roll

"What about SCOM and Think About You, those songs were on Appetite, and aren't truely "rockers"

look man my point is november rain was the first song that wasn't baisically drum, bass, guitar, and singer "think about you" rocks and scom is a classic rock power ballad. nvember rain is loaded elctro orchestra and wierd keyboards. but look people ididnt start this thread to argue about november rain i started it to talk about what chinese democracy will be like

About the "raw version" of November Rain........I'm not sure when the song was actually conceived......but I do know that I have a bootleg of November Rain that's all piano.....and extremely long........

It sounds like it's a demo or something........

Good ... I hope.

A wide range of songs would be cool.

Epics, rockers and experimental stuff.

I don't think it'll be like Appetite at all, actually.  After all, one of the main reasons why the original band broke up was because Axl wanted to introduce industrial and electronic influences into the GN'R sound, while the rest of the band wanted a return to basic hard rock.  None of the new songs sound anything like Appetite.  "Madagascar" and "The Blues" are epic ballads in the truest sense of Use Your Illusion, while the rockers have more of an industrial influence in them (Spin magazine described "Chinese Democracy" as being akin to "quasi-political Rob Zombie", which I think is an apt description.  Kick-ass song).  Besides, I don't think at this point, Axl would be capable of writing an album like Appetite.  The new members have none of the influences of the old band - Aerosmith-style hard rock, 70s glam and punk.  And Axl himself is no longer a young street hood living in L.A.  He's a jaded, reclusive millionaire.  I can't see him writing an angry song about city life like "Welcome To The Jungle", and I also can't see him writing a simple, idealistic love song like "Sweet Child O' Mine" - Axl hasn't had a relationship with a woman in a long time.  Don't forget, "The Blues" and "Madagascar", for all their balladry, seem to be more about personal trials and struggles.

Maybe I'll give M?tley Cr?e's Generation Swine a listen.  Like GN'R, they're an 80s metal band that tried to bring industrial elements into their sound.  It might give a clue to the direction Axl's music will follow on CD, although there will be some consolation in the fact that it can never be as good as Axl's effort, since Axl has been working on his album for 10 years, and the Cr?e, while a great band, never had anywhere near the talent or ambitiousness of Guns N' Roses.

I would call it an unplugged demo, and it's not longer than the version on the album.

I hope it will be a mixture of AFD and UYI

Glad to  hear someone make mention of Generation Swine. I thought Motley Crue pulled off the transition of hard rock and modern electronic influences very well on that album. THe production is so big and crisp and the album has everything - heavy rock, ballads, loops and almost straight out electronica.
This is what I imagine CD to be like when Axl says "it truly is a melting pot".

It's a shame about Motley Crue too, they showed so much potential on their 94 self-titled effort and Generation Swine and then they went back to making the cheesy hair metal I kinda despised them for. It seems most of the clueless public doesn't like change. Oh well...

I have to agree with the last post. Generation swine was petty kick ass, GNR will definitly make a better album, but New Tattoo................ :rant:

Well yes, I didn't mean it in that way. But he said that it's going to be that kind of style ( good rocks songs and so on) and not to be worry about that kind of things. And when he was asked what kind of album we should wait from him, new age or some mew metal stuff..? Axl answered saying something about the process and then said that it's going to be more Appetite kind of STYLE album.........Of course Axl isn't going to go back to 80's literally with puplishing CD as raw and pure rock as Appetite. But the first CD that comes out is quite more rocker..I'd think..we'll see

I dont have direct link to this statement, but I think that you or some of you guys remember this.

Well, if a 2001's quote is still true, Axl said (in that 'interview'on the pool, in Rio) that CD will have a lot of Locomotive and Civil War type of song. Who knows if he changed his mind through all this time...


Abra?os,

Bruno

I don't know when the song was first written--somebody on this board should know-but I did see a VH1 show earlier this year and they said that the original NR was 25 minutes long. I remember I posted something about it at the time, but I have forgotten which month is was. Sometime in the spring I think.

I don't remember seeing this.  Is this in the news archive on the HTGTH site?  If so, can someone please posta a link cause I can't find it?  If not, does anyone know where else I could get this interview?  

I know I'd remember it if Axl said it was going to be like Locomotive and Civil War.

/Tulip

I haven't heard of that either! Honestly, no one knows what this album will ultimately be like-for fuck's sake Axl can't make up his mind on what he wants it to sound like. The six songs we have heard are all over the board. Who even knows if they will be on the record? They are all old now. Guessing what this crazy fuck will do is useless. :beer: I'm going to Radiohead tonight so I don't give a shit for the time being. :smoking:

I guess it was just a talk with some fans, not actually an interview. I'm at work right now but I'll try to search this info later... But I guess it was heard by some fans, so it could be true.

Abra?os,

Bruno

I remember that Axl said this: "yeah, will have a lot of songs like november rain on the album", dont remember anything about locomotive and civil war ... just that was in Rio.

i think it will be someting like     " NIN*TOOL*APC*OLDGNR "

I remember this interview too, but I think Axl said that there were songs songs on CD as good as or better than November Rain. He didn't say what musical style they were.

I would swear I heard that Appetite style thing!! Nobody else don't remember this? It's just difficult that I don't have/remember direct link to this source...I may be wrong about this but I truly don't believe that.. ???

The only mention I remember Axl saying about Appetite in relation to CD was in his interview with Kurt Loder back in 1999. Not long after Oh My God came out.

He said he originally wanted to make an Appetite style album, but wasn't able to because of Slash (???) and he was involved in all sorts of law suits he didn't have time to develop a new style. But once he started putting together the new band he wanted to evolve GN'R's sound.

These aren't exact quotes, just from what I can remember.

I remember that too, it's in the articles section of the site anyways...
But I swear I see some reference for Locomotive style of song in CD, and it was that talk in Rio, before the show... I couldnt find yesterday, but I don't have too much time for search this quote...
Anyways, I'm not sure if he talked about Civil War... But I'm  100% sure about Locomotive!


Abra?os,

Bruno

It will just be quotes from Civil war and madagascar for 18 tracks.......

Would you rather see epic songs/ballads on the piano, and keyboards, or


Hard rockers, just straight up  kick ass rock?

I personally rather see songs like welcome to the jungle, paradise city, civil war, and scom type ballads rather then big productions like novermber n estranged..I love the songs, just think it was good once around.. That's me though..

On  side note, is there anyone that doesn't like industrial sounding music??


The album really has me thinking, how do you advance from the illusions... It was right up there with any other great album where a band tried to add to their songs..

I really do think that people shouldn't look into this too much. It won't be all epic......if that is what people are afraid of. And it neither will be only rockers. It will be a combination of those. But beware that it doesn't resemble that much too appetite or the illusions. It will get a different sound definitely. Especially with Axl's new abilities vocal-wise. And the new band will contribute greatly to the diversity of the new albums sound.

Finaly if you listen to "chinese democracy" the song itself. Does it sound like appetite?? No.... now does "madagascar" sound like something of the Illusions? No.... Perhaps the term "rocker" or "epic" shouldn't be connected to for instance? ? ------> "rocker=appetite-a-like" and Illusion=epic or overblown" that is rediculous. You will get something really special. And it's strange to say that "I want this.....or that or bla to be on the album". It isn't our call, he will do what feels right to him......and what feels right with the band in general. Now I do not want appetite all over again and i don't want Illusions all again. And you know what....we won't get that neither a combination. Except......well.....you can hear it is Axl singing.....and his visions about songs is perhaps somewhat similar to what he has done in the past....but different??? new??? fresh??? You can count on that for sure!!

End of discussion? ;)

Personally it doesn't matter ,I just want the fucking album.  : ok: :beer:

I want to see it diverse. I want it all.

I want epic songs and rockers, too, but I don't want some antimusic like Silkworms and considering that the new rockers (OMG, CD and Riyadh) are mediocre songs (max), and the epics/ballads (Madagascar, Blues) are much better, I'd rather hear epics on CD.

It will have a nice balance of both I am sure.

WE should expect something nothing short of phenomenal...or a big letdown. Don`t think the latter will be the case.

I think a fair mix of both types would be great for the album.

I'd prefer just a mixture I speak for everyone just give us the fucking album

I want....epic rockers?

Variety . . Sweet/Sour . . . . Guns/Roses

lots of rock... not too too many ballads - 3 would be good

Like Dont Try Me,
I don?t think they congeal GNR to AFD and UYI, which could have been 10yrs easy.
No doubt, GNR isn't "velvet" revolving around the past but is evolving if not mutating the music.

I don?t know WTF industrial sounding people mean, but I much prefer OMG, CD and Riyadh to Blues.
If I could have my druthers, I 'd make them longer.

Zowie, Shannon! :headbanger:
How about envisaging some herd rocking epics?

Now, I want to hear rich music full of body.

I want another tour.......

I guess it has to have variety...I must say I didn't like the new songs much.. Omg, rhiad, and silkworms to me is not what I expected, i hate synths, industrial, sound effects etc..

Bucket did some great stuff of electric tears, he definetly has the classic rock sound... Hope he wasn't used for his sound effect alien type sound..

I like maddy, even thoug it sounded like an organ with they keyboards.. It sounded perfect for his vocals..

One thing that worries me from an older dizzy interview was when he said that axl has tinkered with the same songs over n over...I hope when I listen to the album it's not very studio sounding, like effects added..

It's almost impossible for me to understand what's going on, they had 70 songs in 99, two albums worth of solid material.. I can't imagine what went on for all these years with the final album.. I still wonder what axl meant by the music/sound he had which was advanced for us with the computer rock..

I wonder if there will be some song with like a 20 piece band with axl doing almost classical music?? I love seeing groups advance, and experiment, just don't want the people doing it to lose focus and what made the band so great..

So do I, I loved msg, show was electric..I just want an album first..I felt weird seeing a tour buying stuff and getting nothing new to hear..

SO then dont speculate, instead sit back and relax

I meant more about why everything is taking so long..  They blasted out two albums worth of material by 99, but have been taking 4-5 yrs with the last album which is going to be released first..

Speculation has been going on since anyone heard about cd.. It's human nature.. WHen I watched rio 3 in 2001 I was awaiting the new songs for next summer by axl..I just wonder what happened, everything seemed to be moving along rapidly, then it just stopped..

That's what I always loved about GNR, was the huge assortment of styles. You can listen to something like "Coma", hard as hell, then listen to "November Rain", which is mellow and heart-felt. I want a mix.

Tommy said last year the album will have some rockers, some pop songs, some ballads and some other stuff.
 CD is going to be a special album IMO, like ive said before, if the blues, maddy and cd are the fillers, then this album is going to be amazing.  I really want to hear TWAT and this i love.

filler is probably the wrong word; he said they weren't singles.

I do agree this has to be a special album considering the wait.

What are the chances the house of blues DVD is added as a second disk?

And I much prefer OMG, CD, and The Blues to Madagascar :-\




What I hope does not happen is Axl filling this album with tons of needless and off the wall experimental stuff in order to justify how long it's taken for him to get it out there.

You know, whenever people talk about Chinese Democracy (the album), they always end up dividing potential tracks into two categories: rockers and epic ballads.  Axl has already done those two kinds of things already, even if he's going to be polishing them on this record with industrial finish.  Personally, in addition to all those great rockers and epics that we love GN'R for, I'd love to see Axl do something COMPLETELY different, like maybe try and write a simple little pop song, like The Cure or somebody.  Or maybe a more stripped-down ballad, performed solo with simple instruments, not unlike Patience (maybe with just piano this time, sort of a Neil Young After The Gold Rush type feel).  A progressive suite, Beach Boys-influenced harmonies, whatever!   Basically, something completely off the wall.  Right now, we have SOME kind of an idea how the album will basically sound - industrial-based rockers and epic balladry.  I'd love Axl to just have fun and throw us a curve ball.

Ill take a stab at it.

From 1999 Axl and the early begginings of New Gnr began to work on new material.
IMO, GNR, as it was from '99-2000 probably could have released an album. Then as the band began to evolve and actually take shape into its own, legit band, they held back the material and began making a shitload of new material.

Axl said after the VMAS that they werent even done with the album. SO they had no plans to release it until at the earliest in 2003.

My main point is that over time the band evolved and made even more material. Then they probably went back and re did some of the older material that was in the vault. Its also known that Axl really didnt start putting down volcals maybe even "official" lyrics until 2000/01. Along with that and the lawsuits, gnr/management stuff, and perfefectionism have all contributed to the delays.

The good thing is that there is a shitload of material that we will be hearing in the next few years. Not just any material though. Very, Very special material.....hgold on jus a lil longer and its gonna be all good...

JUST WANT AXL TO FUCKING PUT THE FUCKING ALBUM OUT!!!!!!

I think we have made this harder on ourselves by assuming that in 2001/2002 that gnr were close. Apparently, they never were. touring was an excuse to leave the study and road test themselves; even though it ended quite badly, they weren't trying to set the world on fire.  Hopefully now we have come to the end of the wait and this band, which i pray is still in tact in the form it presented itself at the end of 2002, can tour and conquer the rock world again. Or at least completely expose the overindulgent world of pop, hip/hop for what it has degenerated into.

I want a Use Your Illusion 3, maybe a bit more focused (no covers and no My World). I don't mean that it should SOUND like UIY but varied in the same way.

Diffcult one this. While AFD is a classic, if GN'R were to try and recreate that kind of album again i don't think it would work too well. GN'R have moved on, and for all the down sides to the UYI albums, the up sides were amazing. So what with the big epic stuff like The Blues and Madagascar, that is the direction i want the whole album to head in  : ok:

It will be good regardless of what style its in, and i'm happy with that : ok:

I'd like to see some real epic songs (both rockers and ballads). I loved "oh my god" but i think the media will have a field day if a vast majority of the songs are like this, no matter how good they are. They'll just damn axl for why it took so long for an album comprised mainly of 3-4 min rockers to come out, and of course compare them to those on appetite and UYI which they can never beat as their the songs that introduced us to gnr.
So i'd love to them be epic and musically destroy everything that currently exists.

It doesn't matter to me what is on it. I like everything else I've ever heard him sing on (including My World, I didn't like it in 1991 but now I think it was a really innovative song and sometimes actually find myself singing it, when I haven't even heard it in a while). I think though it will be mostly slower songs or epic type songs, all you hoping for a reincarnation of AFD are gonna be dissapointed I think, It will probably be slower pace than even the UYI albums, remember that Axl isn't that angry young guy anymore. :peace:

We all know how cool LIES was , and I think one can appreciate Axl's vocals a lot more when he is doing an acoustic song...
A friend of mine did an acoustic version of Chinese Democracy (the song) and it turned out to be pretty cool... :smoking:

Do you think they will make acoustic songs for CHiDem ? or is it out of Axl's territory ? (Izzy was the folky mellow rock force in the band So Idunno)

+Would you like to hear a particular version of an old or new song ?? (or unplugged- whatever)?

peace :peace:

I would love to hear some acoustic songs on Chin Dem

Acoustic is too much of a niche nowadays. It's saved for bonus tracks or online exclusives, stuff like that. Personally, I'm not a fan of acoustics. Every once in a while, it's okay for a change of pace, but they're too weak, IMO, to convey much power or emotion...

No, there wont be

I would hope that the album has some acoustic stuff, if it's going to be as varied as Use Your Illusion.  But somehow, I can't see it happening.  When you've got 7 or 8 people in a band, it makes it a bit hard to do just a quiet acoustic thang.  But then again, this is basically Axl's solo project, and I read somewhere that he's taught himself how to play guitar.  So maybe we'll see an acoustic solo Axl track??

how you can be so sure about it?

I'd love to see some acoustic song on CD.

Is a fact that Zakk Wilde said that Trere Was A Time starts with an acoustic guitar, like Dead Horse, or it's just a rumour?


He can't.

I could see acoustic passages integrated into the songs, but I doubt there will be any tracks in the Lies vein...

I guarantee there will be.  Axl loves playing his guitar along with singing slower paced songs that his voice can keep up with.  I know he'll throw something in the mix he did "himself".

Well, didnt axl Write Dead Horse.? it has an acoustic intro..

I like acoustic songs, I personally prefer you're crazy done acoustically and You Ain't The First is pretty cool.

Im looking fwd to at least one acoustic song

do you wanna tell me why not? Is he not able to do that?

Of course it will.

It will run the gamut from acoustic to electric to orchestrated, from pop to electronic to industrial to classic to modern to house to trance to hip hop to blues to jazz to folk to goth to punk to post punk to new wave to surf to rockabilly and finally, to country.

A literal melting pot of all musical genres, something for everyone if you will.

It'll have it all, man.? ;D

Thats a bullshit remark if I ever heard one. There is no emotion in "Patience"? OK buddy. how about "One in a Million"? That is a gnr tune with tonnes of power and lots of emotions poured into it. Is probably the most controversial tune recorded by them.

I meant Nytunz can't be sure, not that Axl can't do that (if you meant it, anyway)...

I doubt there will be acoustic songs, but alot of ballads/slow songs will probably be there...

Do you guys think that the new songs that was played on the 2002-tour will be on the album??
I was sure until some weeks ago, when I read that there wouldn't be!
We'll just have to wait and c! ;)

not acoustic songs in its entireity....(haha check sp.)

but  i can't very well see breakdowns in songs where an acoustic guitar can be heard.

I d-loaded a song by Megadeth, called "almost honest" from Mortal kombat 2 movie soundtrack. It sounded nice, a bit industrial, a bit rock, just as I think G&R might sound like on the album. Has anybody heard it? I know Megadeth recorded this song for their album but this version(from the soundtrack) is totally different from the album version. It sounds in part like Chinese Democracy. What do you think?

Your guess is as good as anyone else's...sure why not? :yes:

Axl said back in 2001 that the album would not be industrial. He said the closest industrial thing recorded was OMG.

I think it'll be such a melting pot you know. Just of all different styles/ideas and very textured. I have done some (very basic) recording so I know that the longer you work on something the more layered and textured it gets. With the inclusion of different instruments etc. And all the players that have recorded on the album are all very good musicians in their own right. So...I guess that's my 2 cents.

I know the song, and the remix that you're talking about - That, along with Oh My God, are the type of rock songs that I think Axl's been working on too. They're aggressive, very modern with their industrial flourishes, but they retain their rock edge.

Great tune though, I love the MK2 version of Almost Honest.  : ok:

Firstly, i read the article about the 15 year old girls wearing the t shirts.. lol.. i agree if you dont know shit about the band dont wear it.. it just looks stupid when you wear it and you can only name sweet child o mine or november rain.. but yeah n e ways..

But n  e ways im into GNR just as much as any of you guys.. but i want to know.. do you think that this new CD will be anything like the old one? like.. you look at appetite compared to the UYI 1 and 2.. there was a big difference in the sound of the music, some songs were of the same genre but alot used different types and styles of music. I just dont know what this album.. 10 years later has to offer.. ive heard some of the new songs.. they sound good.. madagascar sounds pretty cool but i just want to hear the real version in the studio, because if the live one is that good, imagine what the recorded editted version sounds like.. I hope this CD's a hit.. and AXL uses that voice that made me a fan .. the only thing i wont like about the band is the fact that Slash, Duff and MAtt arent there.. and id still wish Izzy was there.. he was awesome.. but yeah.. i donno im expecting alot.. please AXL deliver this shit to us!!!!...

Axl has described the new CD as a "melting pot" of different sounds, and I have heard a lot of comparisons to Pink Floyd and Led Zep.  So, no I don't think it's going to be just like UYI or Appetite.  I think it's going to be like Chinese Democracy.

No

Everyone is a newbie at first. Welcome to the hell. : ok:

I listened to OMG about 5 times in a row the other night, I can honestly say its one of my favorite GNR songs...I only think the production could have been a little better. I wouldn't mind if the song was an album and if the album consisted of other songs like this!

Re: What do you think CD will sound like? What do you want it to sound like?


"Different".  I hope it drives every single person with any kind of a stereotype of what it "should" sound like into a putrid hatred for the band.  This band is NEW.  This band is DIFFERENT.  This band is going to BLAZE NEW TRAILS, not follow old ones.  I hope its so fuckin far ahead of its time that people literally vomit all over their ideologues, causing them to stutter when they seek words to describe it or a genre in which to classify it.  Music is art, their are no rules, so quit expecting this band to paint on the canvas of past generations, or as we all can pretty much surmise you will be sorely disappointed in Chinese Democracy.

~M

Hey,  i like that song too, some of that amongst other diretcions :beer:

Sounds nice to me especially the vomit bit?I wanna hear you vomit?!! :puke:

That's What I'm longing for.  From whatever band it may :drool:

Dammit, I can't find the single of "end of days", I guess I'll rent the DVD. ;)