Here Today... Gone To Hell!

Everyday 2 or 3 different(not the same 2 or 3 people) 15 year old (15 is a rough estimate) girls wearing "hot topic" GNR shirt come into my work shopping. They usually end up coming through my line, so ill start a conversation about Brownstone, nightrain or its so easy and they all give me a weird look like im crazy, then i say, well you are wearing a GNR Tshirt and those are GNR songs. Then I realize they only have the greatest hits (I figured it all along, but i really like making them look stupid). We truly live in a sad era where potential gnr fans will buy the greatest hits instead of appetite since they get all the hits off of appetite by buying the greatest hits.

IMO, any fan is a good fan. It cannot be helped if someone is an asshole, but that has nothing to do with the music they listen to. If someone listens to a great band without knowing a lot about it, I'd consider it a step in the right direction and nothing else.

I thought it was people who riot at GN'R shows that give GN'R fans a bad name.




/jarmo

Worse still are those trendy fucks who wear old skool rock tees as fashion shirts, with their design mohawks and trendy mullets. Motherfuckers. :rant:
GN'R
Motley
Skid Row
MotorHead
Poison have all been tainted by these "cool" types
at my store we now do a test to see if they are worthy of the tees...name five or more songs by the band and the t-shirt is yours.
Now that's Chinese Democracy ! : ok:

The only one who looks stupid is the cashier hitting on the 15 year old girl by using 80's band references.   j/k

If anything the exposure of teenagers wearing GnR clothes only helps the cause. I know I'd rather see a relativly attractive high school girl in the mall (I can hear the police sirens getting closer as I type) in a GnR shirt then a guy who looks like he made the final call back for this summers live action Beavis and Butthead movie. plus don't shun the greatest hits buying crowd.... they are going to be the largest group of Chinese Democracy buyers.

Im 16 and wear GNR shirts and I love GNR more than anything, What I hate is all the people that I see wearing them now becouse people will look at me and think im one of them.  >:(         I try not to get stuff from hottopic anymore but if its GNR I will buy it for my collection from anywhere.

StoneTempleRoses

gh covers the comercial stuff and may make people dig deeper...

Yes, a lot of young people gets into gnr, it's pretty cool :beer:
i'm 22, is that young to be gnr-fan?

Maybe most gnr fans are beetween 12-25 now :headscratch:

I completly agree with your statements, and I also do think it really doesnt matter how much a person knowing about a band translates to ownership of a t-shirt. If anything it can only lead to more expusure and momentum in sales figures and publicity for when CD is released. Your final sense I believe is a good prediction as it might be hard to believe but in reality the number of hardcore GnR fans who have worshipped the band since its inception in either form are highly limited, if CD is marketed properlly it will enormously appeal to the new genertation of teenagers,etc.

I think it's a good thing that GN'R will have some new fans. It only make GN'R more famous to the teenagers. :peace:

Well, I didn't truly become a big Guns fan until Greatest Hits came out, but after that I got appetite, UYI, GN'R Lies, Spaghetti, etc.  I wish Axl would realize what good came out of the Greatest Hits album.  NOW is the time to capitalize on that success...release CD, damnit!  ;D

i see your point , it can be that they just wear the shirt because is in hot topic and is in fashion right now , if tomorrow is not in fashion they wouldnt care about the shirt , but well its not the best but its not the worst , everyone when they started to like something they dont know a lot of it , i just knew like years ago about Axl , and i heard the same song and i didnt knew about other songs .? i think that hot topic was cool when the store  started but know they just sell things that look cool , im from mexico and we dont have hot topic here , one year i went to las Vegas and i saw the store it was new and they have a lot of cool stuff , then 2 years after that i went to Miami and the store was very different, it was like "the pop store for the rocker people" or something like that , they were selling Mana shirts , mana is a Rock -Pop mexican band very pop and comercial in my opinion , but they have it in there like its a cult band , the thing its that they just put shirts to pretend to be cool .

I have a friend who is 15 and a GNR fan!! She rocks!! GNR can use all the fans they can get. Just because they are young doesn't mean they don't know good music, when they hear it!!

yes, agree, very good taste : ok:

those who have the youth has the future too ;)
(yes i'm a motley fan)

I always felt it was the guy who was about 16-18 when the UYI came out and actually thought biker shorts and catchers gear were in some form or (lack of) fashion cool...

You're right man. It's not that bad after all. I don't mind if someone wears some kind of shirt with GN'R on, it would be better to put that only if they really liked the band, but it's ok... we can't force anyone to listen to specific artists, it's unfair, we might ignore some great artists too. Besides I think everybody would be pleased if GN'R would be high trend just like the early 90s, it would be a happy feeling for me to open the radio every morning and listen GN'R instead of Evanescense, don't you feel the same  ;)

were they at least hot?  I love hot chics in GNR shirt.   

 : ok: lol, you're right man

Bad luck we don't see them often, the girl I'm getting closer this time likes linkin park more than Guns N' Roses, damnit  :P

Oh how smart! And how rock n' roll! You want fans waiting for their band to be patient...well...why not understand the fans in the first place? Paying money for tickets, drinkin + having a good time and then wait for hours and hours?

To me rock n' roll is about what Guns did AND what the fans did! Otherwise there'd be no myth and no hype at all. You seem to paint the wall with just one color....

Thank you.


You paid money to see a show, not to wreck an arena and get innocent people hurt.

It's as "rock n' roll" as going to a football game and getting beaten up because you support the "wrong" team.



/jarmo

: ok:
well then there folks... there ya go!
hehe

many MANY people buy greatest hits or best of compilations first and then buy the remaining catalogue when its a band that they don't know much about other than thier radio songs

Well...you mix up some things because:

1 - sport events do start in time (99,9% of them at least)-
2 - wrecking an arena wouldn't happen with someone being there to handle the event -seeing that all new gnr-dudes have been there - no problem IMO
3 - no one was supporting the wrong team - people where just angy they got screwed [but I guess people like you would even be happy if they attend a gnr show and see a no-go and could go like this: "well, at least I got my ticket"...]

Guns N' Roses don't own the arena's they book. What good does it do getting pissed at GnR and tearing up an arena in Philly for example (not to mention possiblly injuring someone who was just trying to leave)

There's nothing "Rock and Roll" about that, it's just plain retarded. 15 year old girls don't give GnR fans a bad name....... You give GnR fans a bad name

My daughter is 14 and has the "best of" to get her introduced to GnR.

No she doesn't know the entire AFD album by heart, or could tell you Axl's birthdate, or discuss the lyrics of Brownstone in great detail. But she likes GnR. I think that is pretty cool, considering most of her friends like crap like Jessica Simpson or any other garbage on the radio.

I think I'll buy her a GnR t-shirt for her 15 bday..... :hihi:

thats how i became a prince fan

i bought the hits vol 1 and 2, love them and then started buyin all the albums and realized that Prince was much greater than the greatest hits. just like GNR are much better than the hits.

i was a GNR fan when i was 12 and i didnt think that was uncool.

Even if we don't like gnr greatest hits, I guess it's a good way to get some new fan base. Sure they would get a better record by buying afd ot uyi's, but it's a good way also to get to know a band.

I think he's right.

those aren't true fans.
wait until the next linkin park album comes out, then the same people wear linkin park shirts, the 3 moths later Jay-Z gets his album out and then they wear Jay-Z clothes

m2, that's not bad imo

If you were around in the early 90s, that's exactly how it was.

I don't think everybody who went to the shows on the UYI tour knew all the lyrics, birthdates, Slash's real name etc.



GN'R cancelled on me twice and Snakepit once just two days before the show. Did I beat anybody up or destroy anything? No.

I even remember back in 1991 that I was afraid they'd not come to Europe because of what happened in St Louis. But they showed up and I didn't have to tear down Globen in Stockholm.  :hihi:



/jarmo

I don't hate 15 y.o. girls who wear the t-shirt because they have GH.

I do hate 22 year old women/barbie's who wear a GNR (or Iron Maiden/Led Zeppelin) shirt because it makes them look cool in the club. And if you ask them how much they like GNR they reply with "oh, ehm..... Paradise City, is that a new club?". Stupid cunts.....

Dok  is understandable that people get mad due to the band not showing up , but you cant put people in risk for that or damage property because of that , that its nor Rock N Roll , i wouldnt like to be injured or get my car destroy because some guy was angry at Guns N Roses. you wouldnt even have the right to damage property of the band .
 
 

People who know only one GN'R song usally SCOM and think thats all their is to them. They piss me off.

I think its cool that young people are getting in GN'R. Although some are idiots and will only discover the GH when there is so much more to discover but there is nothing you can do about that but young people getting into guns n' roses is a good sign to me

These 15 year old girls don't give a bad name to Guns N' Roses fans to anyone except yourself. How many strangers do you think approach them and start mentioning the song titles of Guns N' Roses songs to them in order to get the desired reaction that you crave? Not many. Therefore, most people that see these girls in the Guns N' Roses shirts will just think "Oh, a girl in a Guns N' Roses shirt" and go about their day, not "I bet she doesn't even know the songs on AFD and she just bought the Greatest Hits so I'm going to be a damn snob and go up to her and make fun of her for not being the obsessive GNR fan that I am!"

There are few things more annoying than music snobs who think they should decide who is a "real fan" and who isn't.  I couldn't honestly care less if someone buys a GN'R shirt and never listens to the music, it makes no difference to me.  I don't need to inflate my self esteem by trying to make 15 year old children look dumb.

If you bought the greatest hits cd yesterday and like it and you want to say you're a GN'R fan then that's cool with me.  I bought AFD soon after it was released when I was 13 and i'm still a fan and I don't need to put down other fans.  It's petty and pointless and only ends up saying more about you than the kid in the GN'R shirt.

My problem is with the posers. The first question I ask is if they are big gnr fans. Most of them say yes. So wouldn't a big gnr fan know the material off of appetite for destruction?

for some people-
it's like nazareth is love hurts, zeppelin is stairway, aggluera is slutty etc

it's defining but not nessescary ignorant or a bad thing,
It's just whats out there in the mainstream, and trademarkin\defining them for the main people

Why don't instead of mocking these people you encourage them to purchase their other albums?

It's not 1987. If 'Greatest Hits' is all they know and they like that music enough to call themselves fans then that is perfectly allright--because they WEREN'T EVEN BORN WHEN AFD CAME OUT. These people weren't even in grade school by the time TSI came out. All they know of Guns N' Roses is the Greatest Hits. Give them time and they will discover the rest of the albums. If not, then they will probably not stick around as fans for that long and therefore no longer be an embarassment to snobs such as yourself.

Well that's what most Greatest Hits albums do, they showcase the essential hits from a band in hopes to increase the sales catalog of the artist. This worked well with 2Pac, after his death they released his Greatest Hits album with one new unreleased song (Changes) His sales for his previous albums almost doulbed and his Greatest Hits went on to sell close to 10/11 million copies while rocketing his All Eyez On Me album back into the Top Ten.

So releasing a Greatest Hits album is just as much a marketing ploy as it is paying tribute to a band or artist. And to consider that the Gretest Hits album was in some eyes, half-assed, to sell as well as it has is a testament to the music because there wasn't any promotion what so ever. Although in Canda, I have noticed commercials for the Greatest Hits album. And secondly, they are still unconvering Guns N' Roses. I remember the reason I bought Live Era was because of You Could Be Mine. Then slowly over time, every song grew on me and I became a fan for life.

I don't know how to explain this well, but I think there is/was this bias against Guns N' Roses, that may slowly be dwindling in my eyes. I think people held/hold resentment of some sorts to them (media included) so when the band became inactive, they somehow in some twisted way became the antithesis of what was regarded as "cool" in the 90's. They became black-balled in essence.

Guns N' Roses isn't an old 80's band, nor are they a dated grunge band. They can't really be classified because their music and attitude was so diverse as compared to the conditions of that specific time, people can now go back and listen to the music and not find it dated. They spanned a few musical eras, but they were so out of the loop, the trends and changes didn't effect them. So therefore in a sense, kids can now go back and not have to classify Guns N' Roses, they are in essence as much a Rock Band back then as they are a pop band now.

Actually it was four unreleased songs: Changes, God Bless The Dead, Troublesome '96 and Unconditional Love.

*Kicks self for knowing that.

 :)

i have no problem with people wearing gnr shirts even if they dont know much about them, even if all they know is the greatest hits, Im sorry if some of you disagree but the exposure can only help gnr, as it will make more people curious about gnr and lead them to look more into gnr, and then when cd comes out it is also publicity

There's really nothing wrong with GNR catalogue going commercial at this point to attract a new fan base.
Besides, I owe it to Celebrity Deathmatch for playing "KOHD" which got me into GNR when I was 16. GNR's been my favorite band ever since and has changed my life.
Im sure many fans who are new to the GNR game thru the Greatest Hits will get around to the other hits when it gets its round. Its possible that Interscope could decide to release a compilation of GNR's less known hits so that those fans who got into the Greatest Hits will have another compilation to keep their appetites going.

MNR

Where does it end then?

I can go on and say that 1/2 the people here aren't true fans 'cause they weren't there back in the day, like I was. Fuckin' posers! Getting into GnR after they broke up, what the fuck do you know?

See what I mean?

Just mind your own fuckin' business and the world will be a better place. And if you have to look down on a 15 your old KID to make yourself feel bettter about something you are a fuckin' idiot-Period.

well im just a kid myself

you need to calm down a lil bit but i do agree with you..

I think its dumb to wear a Tshirt of GNR if u dont hear them!

Hey man you're right  :) Still find it funny 2Pac wrote Unconditional Love for MC Hammer

I got a question does anyone know where to pic up like vintage Gn'R shirts instead of the CD ones as i already have one of those.

How in the world is name exposure a bad thing?  I think it's pretty damn cool that kids are into good music...or, if not the music, the aura of Axl's gang. :)

agree, especially if they like the songs, guess gh did hook more people into it

I hate when people start acting like young kids give older bands bad names, like you were the only ones allowed to listen to gnr.. I guess when I was a kid getting all into led zepplin and wearing the shirts I was giving them a bad name as well?

Wether it's cool to be retro, or some britney chic like sgnr or whatever reason as long as they like the music it's cool

Anyways sometimes becoming a fan you tend to buy a greatest hits and if you like it you will probably research the gnr list of material and begin to buy the other albums..

It bothers me when fans on message boards try to tell who is a fan or who isn't by how they bought things and because of their age..

I wasn't that worked up, just tired and cranky.

if they dont know songs like nightrain its so east etc  then they should be shot.

haha, it's obligatory :hihi:

I dont know where to buy vintage like 80s 90s stuff but you can buy shirts of the old band at infinity1.com
StoneTempleRoses

. plus don't shun the greatest hits buying crowd.... they are going to be the largest group of Chinese Democracy buyers.


i agree with that. im 14 yrs old and guns n roses have made a huge impact on what i love and hate. personally i think that individual albums are better than the greatest hits because they have more songs and variety. Outta get me is a classic song and so DOUBLE Takin jive and they aint featured on the great hits album so therefore, greatest hits arent always the best buy. i think AFD is the best album eva.   

I get all my GnR shirts custom made from a local T-shirt gallery in Ontario where I live. Depending on where you live, just look up some T-shirt stores and bring in the GnR pics on a Floppy that you want and they shouldnt have a problem making the shirt or sweatshirt for you.

yeh definately. i agree totally with whoever sed that i 15 yr olds werent even born when AFD came out and so on. i'm 14 now and i just bought UYI 1 yesterday and AFD during the summer holidays this year.it took me ages 2 find wot the albums where called but now i'm a mad fan. ppl think i'm a freak in my yr at skool 4 it but i dont giv a damn. i also turned me m8 in2 a mad GN'R fan. 

sadly  there aren't only 15 year old kids that do this kinda crap...moreover, i've seen 15 year olds that know phhhlenty of Gn'R songs...it's just the fact that some peope don't actually listen to the music...like it's so easy to get a "greatest hits" album. and like you're all setteld and everythin...c'mon, let's be serious...almost everyone knoes songs like november Rain or Sweet Child O'Mine...fair enough, these are great songs...but you gotta dig deeper into the music...i personally know a lot of peopel that say that Gn'R is to "slow" or "ballady" for'em, after they've heard the famous "don't cry", "november rain" of "knocking on heaven's door"...sure, these are hell great songs, but try Nightrain or Rocket Qeen for a change....as for girls...hell, this is sick...i know some pathetic groupies that are just into guns cause they have "live songs" or just cause they ahppen to like one of the mebers...it's sad, i should say, after meeting this sort of people, you have sokme trouble taking a real fan seriously or accepting the music in itsself...

sure, let'em enjoy the comercial crap...but dare they not sday they truly know Guns N'Roses... (any shithead can buy a T-shirt, what the hell...)

but when i was 15 i knew all the Guns n'Roses albums by heart... all hail to me...and all the real fans out there  : ok:

 ;D I wear GnR shirts and I'm a chick!!   :D
lol


This post kinda offends me...you make it sound like all 15 year old girls that wear gnr shirts and shit are posers and only have the greatest hits. I bought Appetite around the time GH came out lol
Not all people are like that, and besides, the more fans the better

kewl :beer:

even if people just know their commercial stuff, or are 12 or 5, wear it and show the world :peace:

Ok.  I'm 15! I'm a girl! Im not like that at all!!  I must admit I don't like it too much when people only know a few GnR songs, but its better then listening to rap and pop all day and never knowing how awesome GnR is at ALL!  We all had to only know a little bit about GNR at one stage.  Even if it was only for a short period.

You wanna know what sucks? You're sitting in a full bus, this screaming girl, just about age 15 with a GN'R shirt starts to yell something "ROCK AND ROLL MOTHEFUCKER YEE! FUCK RAP FUCK RAP YEEYE IM COOL FUCK YE RN'R" and later start's to sing something from PC and SCOM WRONG. guess who also had a GN'R shirt? :-\, what a pleasure.

Thats really horrible.  But What i was just trying to say was that not all 15 yr old girls are responsible.  and I'm sure theres just a many 30 year old males doing the same.  I hate posers just as much as anyone.  I'm sorry that you see 15 yr old gunners "fans" that way.  Some of us are in for the long haul.


I do, however, know what you mean.  I have a friend who started "loving" guns n roses just because a hot guy did.  The hot guy didnt believe her, but they are going out anyway!?

As long girls look great on that t-shirt I'm ok with it  : ok:

If anyone should feel stupid its you. New people are trying to get into gnr and? you want to make fun of them? Real nice. Get off your high horse and get over yourself. Maybe they cant afford all the gnr albums and want to start off with GHs. Its people like you that give gnr fans a bad name.

Answer me this. Is a 20 year old kid who guys the blue and red beatle album not real fans because they were not alive when the  beatles were around?

Is a 20 year old kid who buys 40 licks to get into the stones  not a real fan because he was not around when the stones started?

Whats wrong whith wearing a band tshirt even if you don't know all the songs? So if I own 4 records of The Ramones and I can't wear a Ramones tshirt because they have made like 20 records? Who cares?  Chinese Rocks is their best song anyway. Ok I'm a poser then and I wouln't mind someone wearing a GNR tshirt knowing only one song as long as the shirt looks good, and the girl looks good. Besides, what could be better than a girl posing in a GNR tshirt? I think there should be wet GNR tshirt contests, and wouldnt care if they played Motley during contests just as long as the tshirts were wet :drool:

I must say seeing people claiming to like older bands just cos it's cool to does indeed piss me off, and I'm only 16. But at the end of the day I don't really care because I know well that I actually do love all the old RnR bands and if pushed by some asshole to list off things I know about GnR, Sabbath or whatever could probably put him to shame. Although it is kind of annoying, there really is no need to humiliate casual fans of bands just because they aren't as obsessed as I am!  ;D

Axl needs the 15 year old genre if he wants Chinese Democracy to be successfull. Besides were all 15 at one point and we all know how posers are. Every age has got em. Not much anyone can do about them when they follow trends.

Im 15 years old (not a girl obviously) and i own every Gn'R album, know every song and most of the words too. I remember when the greatest hits commercial started airing on tv and a shit load of kids at school were talking about it, like how they ordered it and got a poster, one even asked me if they were gonna play the whisky when they saw my shirt, lol. I thought it was really cool because probobly now they would have more albums and be a bigger fan of them, so it only helps. Although I once asked a girl if she like Led Zeppelin (this was around the time when almost every rocker had the 1977 Zeppelin shirt). Her responce was "ohh they make cool clothes". I was speachless. I thought it was pretty funny actually, just as long as she didn't show up to school the next day wearing a zeppelin shirt.? ? :rofl:

I first saw guns n' roses(well i saw Axl) on the mtv 2002 vmas. All the hype that surrounded that performance made me interested in them. Since then i have bought all their cd's, dvds(some bootlegs too like the riot show in St. Louis and Rock in Rio3), bought Contraband the day it came out, saw vr at the Wiltern the next day, and again in Santa Barbara. Imo the new fans are great, and they are who keeps Guns N' Roses going. And if some 15 year old chick is wearing a gnr shirt so fucking what? If they only have one album or they've only heard wttj or scom it means they think they kick ass and its them who buy Chinese Democracy and help them get back on top. At least they're not wearing a poison or hoobostank shirt.?  :hihi:

The GHs album is now the gate way for new gnr fans. They will buy it, and if they like the songs they will buy the rest of their albums and when CD comes out. That is a GOOD thing not bad.

Typical immature response from you.  YOu may not agree  with the guy. I don't either.  But why attack him personally like a little kid?  You call him stupid?   Tell him you disagree.  Tell him why you disagree. But why resort to personal attacks?  It only makes you look like a fool.

Whats Wrong with 15 yr olds? Honestly

If you don't like the band or know who the band are, then why the fuck would you want to wear their shirts?!?! It's stupid.  :confused:

If you think that's stupid, how did you feel about rich kids shopping at thrift stores for flannel shirts in the grunge era of the early-mid 90's? :confused: :rant:

yeah, kids suck.

I do prefer the flannel look to a high school full of kids in bicycle shorts and Cory Glover skin tight wetsuits.

that's not fucking cool!  >:( I'm a 15 year female old gnr fan who started my gnr collection with the greatest hits and ended up with all of their albums. not all kids nowadays are trendy posers. take it from me, i know i lot of hardcore motley crue, gn'r, iron maiden, and metallica fans my age. yes i know there are a lot of posers who simply like to be trendy and where the hot topic shirts, but you dont have to trun it into a generalization. instead you should be happy we're not listening to crap like green day and good charlote  :peace:

that hurt :crying: i'm 15, a girl and i love GNR! i've never shopped at hot topic and i don't own GNR's greatest hits, but i do own AFD and i like all their songs, not just the greatest hits, so don't fall into stereotyping 15 yr old girls...but i must admit, i do know people who go around wearing band shirts and thinking they're all hardcore, it truly is laughable and disgusting. don't worry though, this is one 15 year old girl that won't give GNR fans a bad name : ok:

i'm a 15 year old girl, i started my collection with AFD (thanks to my cousin who in his 30s who introduced me to GNR)... then saved up my own pocket money to buy UYI I & II, GNR Lies, The Spaghetti Incident and the greatest hits... i'm currently saving up to buy the Welcome To The Videos dvd.

I'm not really into the whole music scene nowadays, i prefer the 80s stuff... like GNR, for example.? :beer:

I dare not enter Hot Topic.