Title: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: DemocracyRose on December 08, 2004, 08:01:12 AM From admin on Rumourboard... (It could be a joke) ???
I will reveal all Friday http://www.golala.com/forums/index.php?mforum=Gnrforum&showtopic=435 Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: ppbebe on December 08, 2004, 08:26:14 AM This friday? In a couple of days?
Wow, Finally something interesting came from that board. :o Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Nytunz on December 08, 2004, 08:40:06 AM Well. Just gotta wait and ??? util we get :o or :'( , i belive it will be the last. And after that :drool: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :-*
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: DemocracyRose on December 08, 2004, 08:40:40 AM This friday? In a couple of days? Wow, Finally something interesting came from that board. :o Yeah, this friday!!! Oh well, maybe admin will postponed it!!! ?:hihi: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Dont Try Me on December 08, 2004, 08:46:36 AM What Axl did after bucket statement?
that one isn't hard. How about... He was busy with negotiations with the record company. He was busy finding a replacement. Or perhaps considering that two guitarist is enough. He is rerecording and mastering some of the songs. Perhaps he changed the tracklist. And perhaps he is enjoying himself watching tv, playing cards with pittman. I mean... it isn't that hard to figure out what Axl has done since that...... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Pandora on December 08, 2004, 08:51:22 AM Maybe you should have waited until Friday to talk about that. For now there's not much to say and it will only get people to speculate.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 08, 2004, 08:55:06 AM Maybe you should have waited until Friday to talk about that. For now there's not much to say and it will only get people to speculate. I agree this should have been kept secret until friday when the actual info was able to be posted.. Either way I'm sure we all have our ideas.. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Voodoochild on December 08, 2004, 08:55:19 AM He's not more credible than Sticky Fingers. :no:
I'm sure it will be just some random thoughs, like Dont Try Me said. :yes: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Evil Ash on December 08, 2004, 09:09:56 AM I think it's dumb of him to tell a couple of days before that he's gonna reveal something big...
If this spreads fast in the next day managment could actually call his ass and tell him to stfu, this of course, if he really does know something... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: gigger on December 08, 2004, 09:58:48 AM The news will be announced on Friday because he is trying to get more info on the subject.
The rumourboard is definitely more credible than StickyFingers. StickyFingers makes bold statements and never backs them up with any sources or information whereas the rumourboard gives as much info as they can including the source. Admin works in the music industry himself and therefore has much better contacts than most people. People seem to forget that things like the Paul Buckmaster info came from Admin @ the rumourboard (who then informed Blabbermouth + MTV), as well as the rumourboard being the first source of a lot of names that have worked on the album (Paul DiCarli, Caram Costanza etc). And only today some of Tommy's dates were posted that haven't been posted anywhere else. This information I fully admit has hardly been ground breaking but there is no ground breaking news available! And it is more information than almost every other person in the GnR "world" has given us! The fact is that the rumourboard can't post release dates and things like that because even people like Tommy, Dizzy and Merck don't know when the album will be released! But where else can you read what people said about songs that they have worked on - like Paul Buckmaster did with "Prostitute"? Just wait until Friday for the news before making judgements... You don't have to believe what the board says, that's up to you, in fact I advise taking everything on the board with a pinch of salt, but why not actually see what the board has to say before making a judgement on whether it is true or not? That makes a lot more sense than immediately saying that it's bullshit? I know that I'd rather read rumours and little bits of information than come on these forums and discuss bullshit about how GnR is dead (http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/board/index.php?topic=17222.0). Rumours by their nature are normally false but it doesn't do anyone any harm to read and discuss them does it? The only people who get pissed off are the dumb people who take rumours as being the gospel truth! And to the people who say it is dumb saying that he will make an announcement on Friday, well put it this way, if Axl came out and said "I'm gonna make an announcement on New Year's Day" then you wouldn't say "Axl is dumb for setting a date for an announcement" would you? Admin has posted something positive, why not see it that way rather than bad mouthing it? And by the way, what everyone on here has suggested will be announced on Friday is incorrect. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: ppbebe on December 08, 2004, 10:10:53 AM Yeah, at least he doesn't claim his thoughts to be the facts.
He's not more credible than Sticky Fingers.? :no: Huh He? I'm sure it will be just some random thoughs, like Dont Try Me said.? :yes: ? ? = the Admin of a certan board :hihi: Or ? ? = Axl ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? : ok: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: echrisl on December 08, 2004, 10:12:15 AM Oh good, I can't wait. Let me guess, he sat on his ass and ate cheetos. Oh, and he recorded some crap for Grand Theft Auto, too. And had a beer. Woo hoo, there you have it.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: gigger on December 08, 2004, 10:15:02 AM Oh good, I can't wait.? Let me guess, he sat on his ass and ate cheetos.? Oh, and he recorded some crap for Grand Theft Auto, too.? And had a beer.? Woo hoo, there you have it. Did you totally ignore my post? Or are you really stupid? Maybe my post was a bit long for you, or maybe I used some big words you didn't understand! I'm sorry... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Scabbie on December 08, 2004, 10:22:48 AM From admin on Rumourboard... (It could be a joke) ??? I will reveal all Friday? http://www.golala.com/forums/index.php?mforum=Gnrforum&showtopic=435 Can you post what was said in this link? I can't get to it because of our websweeper. But, really, does it matter what he's done since the spring? Personally, I'm more interested in what he's going or is about to do. Give me the autobiography when the albums out. Then again I suppose Axl news is usually entertaining. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 08, 2004, 10:23:15 AM great the rumor board sprung the info on those people working on the stuff, but in the end does it mater, I mean we could know everyone and their mother that worked on the project, but without the music it's just talk..
WHen axl spoke in his rio 4 statement he said that he was going to record an shit like that, it's not hard to think what he did.. Everything is told except when the album is coming out.. When's the first single ,when is a tour suppose to happen ,when will cd be out?? Those are things people want to know.. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: younggunner on December 08, 2004, 10:28:08 AM how is the rumor more credible thany anybody? Because they go on little "investigations"? Give me a break. Has that board even cracked a rumor or said anything of significance?....
whatever I guess see what they say as long as you dont get mad at gnr when the rumorboard doesnt come thru Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: jarmo on December 08, 2004, 10:32:43 AM And only today some of Tommy's dates were posted that haven't been posted anywhere else. In the past most Tommy dates have been posted by Mysteron before anybody else..... /jarmo Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Mysteron on December 08, 2004, 10:39:31 AM And only today some of Tommy's dates were posted that haven't been posted anywhere else. In the past most Tommy dates have been posted by Mysteron before anybody else..... /jarmo I don't have an advanced set of dates yet They are probably provisional dates, prone to change. Have to be slightly careful edit... the dates are actually listed on Pollstar so I presume that is where the info came from Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 08, 2004, 10:43:01 AM how is the rumor more credible thany anybody? Because they go on little "investigations"? Give me a break. Has that board even cracked a rumor or said anything of significance?.... whatever I guess see what they say as long as you dont get mad at gnr when the rumorboard doesnt come thru The exact reason -I- dislike those types of boards, it's nothing personal towards the baord ,it's just these things get thrown on every gnr board and people start geting their hopes up and forgetting it's a rumor then get pissy when nothing happens... To bad their isn't a section for rumors here.. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Mysteron on December 08, 2004, 10:48:19 AM The other two dates appear to be ok as well
Tickets are available here; http://www.ticketweb.com/user/?query=search®ion=xxx&category=misc&search=tommy+stinson Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: elmaestro on December 08, 2004, 11:08:23 AM Regardless of what anybody else here thinks of the Rumourboard: I like it and check it often to see if anything is happening in the GNR world....
@gigger The rumour that Paul Decarli is/was editing CD was started here at the HTGTH. :beer: Back on topic: Hell for all we know it's just to say that bucket is back in GNR and that because of that they are able to take that extra step forward to release CD soon.... ;D Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Naupis on December 08, 2004, 11:12:25 AM I think people are starting to get desperate, in fact it has now been over 2 years since Philly occurred and we have still heard nothing. For everyone who said something about a February or March release, we are getting to the point logistically that won't be able to happen as it's almost Mid-December. I think people would really like to at least hear something right now, and if rumorboard claims they've got info, people will grasp for it. This has been one of the longest dry spells in a while in the GNR world, it seems like its been forever since we've even had a good rumor that even hints at activity.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: loretian on December 08, 2004, 11:27:07 AM He just posted the info, with the articles to back it up....
It's actually kinda interesting. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 08, 2004, 11:30:16 AM who is desomd child?? These two guys are outside song writers, or do they play?
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Naupis on December 08, 2004, 11:39:30 AM Des Child helped Bon Jovi write Living on a Prayer it says, maybe Axl is looking to try and get some radio friendsly stuff together?
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Mateoson on December 08, 2004, 11:43:31 AM Quote And by the way, what everyone on here has suggested will be announced on Friday is incorrect. So you know what this "announcement" is then??? If you say what people have guessed is incorrect... then you must know exaclty what the fuck is going to be announced. Why not say it then? Really, I love rumors and shit... especially since GnR hasn't said anything in a long while. But what people can't stand is when you (or whoever) play these childish games and say I have an announcement... wait till blah blah blah... That's bullshit. Unless you are Axl your gonna catch hell for that shit... my2cents. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 08, 2004, 11:50:28 AM Des Child helped Bon Jovi write Living on a Prayer it says, maybe Axl is looking to try and get some radio friendsly stuff together? I wonder why he would bring guys outside of the band to write music being they have some many people that are there already.. WHo knows why they were there, my pc is fucked up, the links don't work when I click on them... If it's not much could you paste the info on them in the thread.. :beer: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: ppbebe on December 08, 2004, 11:53:20 AM True, Mateoson.
It's actually kinda interesting. :D It is. You can see the results of game in two days. Sorta fun. well as long as you don't get too serious about rumours (or horoscopes). Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Mateoson on December 08, 2004, 12:00:45 PM Well it looks like I spoke too sooon. Here's another guess on my part.... this happened a long ass time ago. All of this is probably irrelevant. The whole bumblefoot thing happened since then...
Why doesn't axl utilize the bandmembers he as for completing the album.... I but his psychic recommended it! lol :peace: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: nesquick on December 08, 2004, 12:01:43 PM I have the impression Axl wants his new version of GN'R have as much Hits as the old band. Unfortunately, I have also the impression he doesn't succed in trying to do that becuse he seems afraid by the future reactions. It seems like a no-end process. The guy could take 10 years more and record 100 songs more again, but if even one song is ever released as a single it just means anything. I have the impression that Axl wrotes songs, many many songs, but he is afraid to show them to the general public.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: disease51883 on December 08, 2004, 12:09:50 PM Maybe, after the Illusions having masterpieces like "Estranged", he wants to take things to the next level on Chinese Democracy with songs like "Living on a Prayer". :o
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Scabbie on December 08, 2004, 12:11:25 PM Correct me if I'm wrong, but has the supposed information that was going to be released on Friday already been posted at the rumour board?
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Naupis on December 08, 2004, 12:14:08 PM Unfortunately he can spend the next 100 years writing this album and he won't come up with another Jungle or SCOM, and unfortunately those are the standards the public will hold him to. The fact we don't have an album yet is evidence of the fact he doesn't think it's "there" yet. The problem is you can't manufacture songs like those, they just kind of happen. It has to be frustrating sitting there writing songs knowing that no matter how good they are, the general reaction will be, "well it's good, but its not Jungle or SCOM good." We will be hearing those for the rest of our lives on every rock format, that is a tall order to stand up to.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: axls#2 on December 08, 2004, 12:16:55 PM I really hope the rumor about working with the bon jovi guy is false. ?That would be the worst news ever, is that why cd is taking so long? ?Because axl cannot write a decent tune by himself and he needs outside guys who write catchy pop tunes? ?Please say it hasn't come to that.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Naupis on December 08, 2004, 12:24:13 PM [quoteI really hope the rumor about working with the bon jovi guy is false. That would be the worst news ever, is that why cd is taking so long? Because axl cannot write a decent tune by himself and he needs outside guys who write catchy pop tunes? Please say it hasn't come to that.]
Quote I think that sounds awfully plausible. We have heard from some of the band members that their parts have been done for years now, and they are basically just waiting on Axl to write lyrics and finish the songs. If the music is and has been done, maybe that means Axl really is struggling to get the lyrics done for all of the songs. The fact he has been spotted with a song writer might actually shed some insight as to why we still haven't heard or seen anything from this project. In the past he always had Izzy's help in trying to write songs, this is really his first attempt at doing everything on his own. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Pandora on December 08, 2004, 12:46:39 PM Desmond Child has also worked with Aerosmith, and that's approximately when they started going downhill. I sure hope the rumour isn't true.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Scabbie on December 08, 2004, 12:49:15 PM Maybe thats WHY Buckethead left....he didn't like working the thought of working with a commercial song writer? You have to admit, one minute they're fucking around, probably coming up with all sorts of crazy cool shit, the next some guy is bought in to write radio friendly songs. Buckethead thinks thats it I've had enough and then Axl says in the press release how this will give us the opportunity to move forward with the recording process?
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Scabbie on December 08, 2004, 12:51:07 PM Desmond Child has also worked with Aerosmith, and that's approximately when they started going downhill. I sure hope the rumour isn't true. Oh hell, I hope we don't end up with a bunch of soppy ballads in cheesy hollywood films. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 08, 2004, 12:51:13 PM Desmond Child has also worked with Aerosmith, and that's approximately when they started going downhill. I sure hope the rumour isn't true. ANyways he could higher hanson's writers and make great music because in the end he has to approve everything..I just want to know why the new group needs anyone else besides theemselves writing the material..? Seems like a million hands have touched this album ?:-\ Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: ppbebe on December 08, 2004, 12:53:10 PM I sure second Pandora n Scabbie. Hmmm
Correct me if I'm wrong, but has the supposed information that was going to be released on Friday already been posted at the rumour board? I didn't know It has been already friday. I feel hell silly. ?>:(Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 08, 2004, 12:54:13 PM Desmond Child has also worked with Aerosmith, and that's approximately when they started going downhill. I sure hope the rumour isn't true. Oh hell, I hope we don't end up with a bunch of soppy ballads in cheesy hollywood films. DOn't you think you're sjumping the gun a bit, since the 80's aerosmith has come on stronger then their glory days.. get a grip in the early 90's had some excellent songs, their past release was very blues based with honkin on bobo..Either way you look at it they have been a huge hit for years.. Again I have no clue what these people are even doing there.. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Scabbie on December 08, 2004, 01:09:19 PM Desmond Child has also worked with Aerosmith, and that's approximately when they started going downhill. I sure hope the rumour isn't true. Oh hell, I hope we don't end up with a bunch of soppy ballads in cheesy hollywood films. DOn't you think you're sjumping the gun a bit, since the 80's aerosmith has come on stronger then their glory days.. get a grip in the early 90's had some excellent songs, their past release was very blues based with honkin on bobo..Either way you look at it they have been a huge hit for years.. Again I have no clue what these people are even doing there.. OK, OK, I haven't even seen the rumour board but there's not much else to go on - so I guess we have to debate around the speculation. I haven't heard the blues album, but I think that Aerosmith were at their best up to PUMP. Yes, they may have been successful after this point, I just didn't get as excited by the output. I miss old Aerosmith. The thought of too many songwriters just gives me a sour taste in the mouth - its what I hate most about chart bands and the pop idol phenonema. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: grog mug on December 08, 2004, 01:32:30 PM I mean listen to the title of the site "rumourboard"! It's just not credible. Does the guy really work in the music business, and has he ever gotten anything right? Maybe he Axl moved along with the recording process and the administrator is just going to sum up what Axl said he was going to do.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Naupis on December 08, 2004, 01:45:14 PM It's not really a rumor, He cites 2 bands with links to their sites who independently verified Axl was working with the guy in the recording studio room next door to where those bands were working. I doubt it was some conspiracy among those bands to just make that up. But I may be wrong.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Mikkamakka on December 08, 2004, 02:30:26 PM I really hope that Desmond Child isn't involved with Nu-GN'R. He wrote some good things in the 80s, but nothing since then... On the other hand Axl collaborated with a lot of musicians, band members and prolific songwriters, and there was a rumour that he contacted Lionel Ritchie for some help in songwriting and vocals melody writing, maybe even in writing the lyrics. Who knows?
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: jgfnsr on December 08, 2004, 02:32:05 PM Whatever Axl did after the announcement, I just hope it wasn't to erase all of Bucket's guitar parts (like he did the first time with Robin) and plan to have yet another guitarist re-record them.
Even If Buckethead is no longer in the band, his contributions could still be used obviously. Even if the word still isn't "soon," hopefully it's closer to sooner than later. ?:confused: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Intercourse on December 08, 2004, 02:33:09 PM Was there not a story leaked here previously that this Desmond Child guy was asked to review the quality of CD and he said he heard 3 good songs and no more?
If this is true its fucking sad, Guns N Roses started with 5 cool bastards that would have kicked a guy like Child in the balls if he tried to tinker with their formula. Now we have a scared, aging recluse, all alone with a project that seems to be so mixed up inside his heart and soul, so overly thought out and worked upon that nobody knows hows to wrestle it from him and help him move on. JESUS!!!!!! Intercourse. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Mikkamakka on December 08, 2004, 02:37:43 PM Was there not a story leaked here previously that this Desmond Child guy was asked to review the quality of CD and he said he heard 3 good songs and no more? No, that was another guy, but I don't remember his name... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: damnthehaters on December 08, 2004, 02:48:21 PM I'm so confused here. Was the rumor about Desmond Child the announcement? And what is the link to the rumorboard?
Help Me :confused: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: jgfnsr on December 08, 2004, 03:09:01 PM Was there not a story leaked here previously that this Desmond Child guy was asked to review the quality of CD and he said he heard 3 good songs and no more? If this is true its fucking sad, Guns N Roses started with 5 cool bastards that would have kicked a guy like Child in the balls if he tried to tinker with their formula. Now we have a scared, aging recluse, all alone with a project that seems to be so mixed up inside his heart and soul, so overly thought out and worked upon that nobody knows hows to wrestle it from him and help him move on. JESUS!!!!!! Intercourse. Uhh....let's see here. Ahhhh yes!? I have it here right in front of me.? What you are talking about has been filed as GN'R Rumor# 5364-22. Don't worry, we looked into it and it turned out to be bogus.? : ok: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: GNFNRAXL on December 08, 2004, 03:35:55 PM And by the way, what everyone on here has suggested will be announced on Friday is incorrect
Quote Giggler do you know what the announcement will be???? Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Pandora on December 08, 2004, 03:44:49 PM Giggler do you know what the announcement will be???? The Desmond Child thingy is the announcement. He just made it earlier than planned. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Lesty on December 08, 2004, 03:56:00 PM This isn't really news at all, even if it's true (we all know Axl has collaborated with a lot of producers, musicians, and I assume some outside song writers). Desmond Child actually made a name for himself writing with KISS along time ago, I believe. A lot of bands use outside song writers, and it usually spawns a more commercialized sound, it's not necessarily bad.
Still, it's interesting that since Tommy is obviously is a good songwriter, why Axl hasn't leaned on him more for more ideas, if that's true. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 08, 2004, 04:02:33 PM Maybe someone could help me out, unless axl is doing duets and colaborating with other musicians that will play on the actual album/s, then why would he bring in outside writers to a band he already has.??
Lionel ritchie as I saw mentioned before is like a neil diamond, he writes great songs and they usually do very well, just I wouldn't want others writing songs for gnr.. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Intercourse on December 08, 2004, 04:07:00 PM This guy wrote Livin' La Vida Loca for Ricky Martin. :-[
This saga just gets worse and worse...... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: younggunner on December 08, 2004, 04:07:47 PM Do we know if they were actually writing songs or if Axl was maybe working on soemthing that guy was doing for his own project....
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: GNFNRAXL on December 08, 2004, 04:08:06 PM Well at least we're getting some news on the album. ?Sure it is not what we want(release date) but it is news. ?As to wether it is good or bad news. ?I wanna hear the songs first. ?But it is strange he didn't ask Tommy for help on writing songs. ?Could it be that Tommy was unavailable due to his solo stuff???? ???
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Intercourse on December 08, 2004, 04:16:59 PM If you read up on Childs, many fans of Aerosmith, Kiss and Bon Jovi HATE him for getting those acts to abandon any 'hard edges' they grew up with in favor of a more pop focused formula.
Like or hate Contraband, you didn't have this fuckology going on when it was being made (if this rumor is true). Why didn't Axl ask Izzy, his old buddy and muse? Axl wants to be radios new poster boy???? WTF???? No good will come of this I promise you......if its true that is. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Ali on December 08, 2004, 04:21:21 PM This isn't really news at all, even if it's true (we all know Axl has collaborated with a lot of producers, musicians, and I assume some outside song writers). Desmond Child actually made a name for himself writing with KISS along time ago, I believe. A lot of bands use outside song writers, and it usually spawns a more commercialized sound, it's not necessarily bad. Still, it's interesting that since Tommy is obviously is a good songwriter, why Axl hasn't leaned on him more for more ideas, if that's true. Tommy is a very good songwriter. I agree with that completely. But, we really don't know how much he has contributed to GN'R songwriting yet. Those solo songs would not have worked for GN'R, or at least that's what Axl and Tommy decided. Ali Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Vicious Wishes on December 08, 2004, 04:22:38 PM Here's the statement for those who can't or didn't see it...Ok, I back down, here it is. Please strongly note that I am still following this up so in no way contact the individuals concerned
Axl Rose in the weeks after releasing the Buckethead statement was seen working with Desmond Child (co-writer of many Bon Jovi songs (livin on a prayer) etc..) and Curt Cuomo (Kiss writer) in Curt's studio. Confirmation on this can be seen through a couple of Jazan Wild articles who was recording in the studio next door at the same time; http://kissnews.web-log.nl/index.log?ID=1335644 While recording in Curt Cuomo?s studio, other musicians working there included Axl Rose/Guns N? Roses and Desmond Child. http://www.rockunited.com/jazanwild.htm RockUnited: What the heck is Des Child & Guns'N'Roses doing in the studio next to yours??? And you're always welcome to share your experience about being at Gene $immon$ A**hole release party. JW: I'm not liberty to talk much about that (Des Child & G'N'R), but that's why I love Los Angeles. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: norway on December 08, 2004, 04:30:22 PM axl's lost it now, huh? ::)
NOT You can't judge it too much before hearing it Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Naupis on December 08, 2004, 04:56:01 PM He should suck it up and call Izzy and ask him to be a part of the songwriting. Not to join the band, or tour, or anything else. Kind of like what he did with VR. Hang out in the studio and help. That won't happen though because I am sure Izzy was also seen as not wanting to progress the band and God forbid Axl were to actually reach out for help if he needed it to someone who as known him forever and helped him reach the status he is at now. I just don't understand it. If he is really bringing in other from the outside to help with the songwriting(and we don't know, it is still somewhat a rumor) why not call someone who has helped him pen some of GNR's greatest songs and knows what it takes? :crying:
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Intercourse on December 08, 2004, 05:05:45 PM I agree with you 100%, I don't think Izzy would join either band so why not let him in? Too much pride me thinks Naupis. Plastic Surgery and radio hit makers, its all gone a bit 'Madonna' isn't it?? :'( Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: smishkey on December 08, 2004, 07:45:10 PM Four pages of posts for something that's totally non-news. Oy vey, it gets sadder everyday.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: AxlFink on December 08, 2004, 07:46:44 PM i'm amazed that people believe anything on here... first who gives a fuck about desmond child.... 2nd... anyone that still believes CD will not come out and that there are no vocals or no good songs on it are morons and have their heads up their asses
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: SOH on December 08, 2004, 09:15:00 PM Child isn't just a writer, he sings, too.
Title: friday? Post by: lars hetfield on December 08, 2004, 09:32:31 PM this friday? hopefully dont be like dizzy who said yeah sept. than feb. and never said of what year. the way things look now im banking that we are more likely to see axl back with slash, duff etc. in 3 years before we see chinese democracy released. who knows?
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: SINSHINE on December 08, 2004, 09:48:35 PM Something tells me this rumor is bullshit...honestly ?;)
However...let's play devil's advocate for a moment and pretend that this rumor is gospel. What if Chinese Democracy was, in fact, done months ago as many of us assume (short of mastering, that is) and when the record company got it's first listen, they liked some/most of the material, BUT didn't hear a radio friendly SINGLE. Realizing how much time and money spent on this project already, the record company panics and ask that Axl & Co. go back and write (or rewrite) a handful of tracks to be more radio friendly to salvage the record sales. I only mention it because it was Child who was brought in to do just that on Aerosmith's Permanent Vacation. However, where his cheesy influence spews all over songs like "Angel," I read somewhere that he got credit for helping to write "Dude (Looks Like a Lady)" after only contributing the first line of the first verse ("...cruised into a bar on the shore."). I guess if the rumor is true it may not be as bad as we imagine... ...or it could be a complete nightmare. Either way, release the fuckin' album already! Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 08, 2004, 10:23:12 PM Anyone ever stop to think Axl was helping DC on DCs project and not the other way around?
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Booker Floyd on December 08, 2004, 10:40:20 PM Anyone ever stop to think Axl was helping DC on DCs project and not the other way around? Do you not read threads before posting in them? Your own doppelganger made the same query... Quote Do we know if they were actually writing songs or if Axl was maybe working on soemthing that guy was doing for his own project.... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 08, 2004, 10:46:36 PM Anyone ever stop to think Axl was helping DC on DCs project and not the other way around? Do you not read threads before posting in them?? Your own doppelganger made the same query... Quote Do we know if they were actually writing songs or if Axl was maybe working on soemthing that guy was doing for his own project.... No I didnt want to read through 4 pages of nonsense. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: younggunner on December 08, 2004, 10:51:17 PM Quote Your own doppelganger made the same query... :hihi:When has the rumor board been accurate or right? I made this statement about them the other day..before all of this....its a site where peopel go on these investigations. The guy says ...o im in the works with so and so...Im gonna get the details soon.no1 talk to him otherwise he might not talk... Im not saying this storoy isnt true. But who knows what the context of all of this falls in. I say fuk the rumorboard. They have never come thru and never will. They are a bunch of peopel who make the situation worse. If you go by them they should have taled with everyone in the gnr camp, including pizza boys, and flys on the wall. If they havnt cracked anything significant or credible by now they never will.....but whatever... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: dave-gnfnr2k on December 08, 2004, 11:03:22 PM The rumor board just makes up rumors. Its funny, they claimed the album would be out in Nov, that passed and then it was Feb, its too late now for a Feb release they think, so now they are claiming its april. They said over six weeks ago we would get a release date or some huge news yet it has not happened.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: visionary432 on December 09, 2004, 01:06:10 AM So you expect the rumorboard to know more about the album than the band members themselves? Dizzy said the album was originally supposed to come out in November, then said it's looking like February. Halfway through December now, February does not seem possible. Dizzy has certainly been proven to be incorrect on numerous occasions. Why criticize the rumorboard when the band members are just as wrong? Is it not possible the album WAS supposed to come out at certain times but it got POSTPONED. Maybe we should be blaming Axl for not releasing the album and not people who try their best to get any new information because GNR tells us nothing? Anyway, it's not like the rumorboard created the articles posted in the links.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 09, 2004, 07:10:19 AM The rumor board just makes up rumors. Its funny, they claimed the album would be out in Nov, that passed and then it was Feb, its too late now for a Feb release they think, so now they are claiming its april.? They said over six weeks ago we would get a release date or some huge news yet it has not happened. I'm not into rumor boars,but lets be honest did most people here hoping for november get it from the ruomor board, or did they see btm and here when it was slated for..? Second did the rumor board tell people february or was it dizzy saying the album was pushed back and that it might happen infebruary?? FInally I can click the links because of pc problems, what do they say? Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: jabba2 on December 09, 2004, 10:33:54 AM Only Axl and Doug Goldstein know whats happening with Chinese Democracy and the hitmaster Desmond Child ;)
I hope the studio sessions werent inspired by the music of "She Bangs" Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Neemo on December 09, 2004, 10:48:03 AM It kinda sucks if Axl had to bring in another songwriter but it's not the end of the world.? Sure Desmond Child has wrote some crappy stuff (Ricky Martin, Michael Bolton, Boyzone) but he has also dome some successful rock stuff too. Slippery When Wet was an awesome album, he did some stuff for Aerosmith (a inspiration for G'n'R), Alice Cooper (who did the garden w/ G'n'R) and Kiss too. Whatever he may help Axl with I'm sure it'll be to Axl's liking.? And I'm sure Chinese Democracy won't have Michael Bolton or Ricky Martin material on it (Yikes, scary though huh?? :nervous: )
Besides, Guns tunes have always appealed to the masses so what is so bad about getting a song writer who has like 40 top ten hits to help write some stuff.? It's not like G'n'R is an underground metal band who haven't sold out.? Geez, they "sold out" along time ago (since "selling out" tends to be the amount of radio play and record sales you get). Hell people on this board say "if CD doesn't sell 1,000,000,000,000,000 copies on the first day then it will be a failure" then turn around and say "I don't want the tunes to be popular". Fuck, if the tunes aren't catchy and popular then it won't sell, duh!! Whatever happens I'm sure the new G'n'R music will rock.? Everything else Axl has done rules, and I don't see any reason for the new stuff not to either. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Booker Floyd on December 09, 2004, 11:04:41 AM The rumor board just makes up rumors. Its funny, they claimed the album would be out in Nov, that passed and then it was Feb, its too late now for a Feb release they think, so now they are claiming its april.? They said over six weeks ago we would get a release date or some huge news yet it has not happened. Although I agree that board is bullshit, in fairness Axl said we might hear something "in a few months" (that was March) and none of the other guys in the band seem to have a clue either. Im still holding out hope that well see the album in 2003. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: younggunner on December 09, 2004, 11:23:39 AM something to think about.....
{just a possibility}...got this from a poster who wrote a good post imo..... As someone who's written songs both for myself and with bands I've been in, I imagine Desmond Child's contributions to be more structual or subtle than you guys are imagining. He's co-written stuff with Aerosmith, and it still sounds like Aerosmith...same with Kiss, same with Ricky Martin. It's obvious the guy knows how to create a song with a hook, whether it's in a hard rock or cheesy pop style...my guess is that when bands like Kiss or Bon Jovi co-write with Child, his job is more to take the ideas the band has and simply clean them up a bit...take a song from the band that has some cool ideas or parts and work with the band to shape the song into a more, say, "accessible" form. I really doubt Desmond Child has written entire sections of music for these bands, I think it's more of a collaboration with him offering minor chord changes or ideas on how to make the song stronger rather than him writing the songs. I say this just because I look at the songs Child has written with Kiss, Bon Jovi, or Aerosmith, and they aren't any different stylistically than anything else the band wrote without him. Take Slippery When Wet...if you weren't looking at the liner notes, you'd never notice any stylistic difference between "Livin' On A Prayer" which was written with Child, and "Wild In The Streets," which was just written by JBJ and Richie Sambora. If he contributes anything to a Gn'R record, I guarantee it won't sound any different than the rest of the album...the only difference I think would be that it would be a little tighter, catchier, and straightforward, since anything he's hired to work on is going to be something they want to release as a single. I wouldn't worry too much about this one, guys. :) Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 09, 2004, 11:44:42 AM WHy is axl involved with so many people outside of the band ,why do they need outside writers..? He has had 7-8 people in the band, why go outside, it's a gnr record..?
I just had to ask.. Don't they just put lyrics to what music they write? I also don't think if the dude writes something it will sound like anything but gnr, then again I don't know what ttype of sound new gnr is going for.. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Intercourse on December 09, 2004, 12:03:14 PM this is most likely the case with Child alright. Problem I have is that the famous producers Axl has had in would have performed the same function. Their job is to guide you towards the best conclusions your song could have and force you to distill all the best elements of your tunes and get rid of the dross. So, with all the heavyweights that have passed through the door on CD whay has this not been done already?
How long more must this fucking thing get prodded and poked?? Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: blues rocker on December 10, 2004, 06:22:33 PM From admin on Rumourboard... (It could be a joke) ??? I will reveal all Friday? http://www.golala.com/forums/index.php?mforum=Gnrforum&showtopic=435 well, it's Friday.......douche Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Wooody on December 10, 2004, 06:57:15 PM From admin on Rumourboard... (It could be a joke) ??? I will reveal all Friday? http://www.golala.com/forums/index.php?mforum=Gnrforum&showtopic=435 well, it's Friday.......douche it's actually saturday over here :P Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Dr. Blutarsky on December 11, 2004, 01:48:58 PM I think all he revealed was that he wanted to start a topic and pulled one out of his ass.
Its saturday and nothing from Democracy Rose. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: gigger on December 11, 2004, 01:57:04 PM I think all he revealed was that he wanted to start a topic and pulled one out of his ass. Its saturday and nothing from Democracy Rose. You're a fucking moron. You didn't even bother reading this thread did you? If you had bothered then you would have seen the "announcement". Now, why don't you try reading the thread rather than name calling and making yourself look like a fool... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: norway on December 11, 2004, 01:59:07 PM you're really snappin now... :yes:
gigger is right, he posted the "news" right away : ok: Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: ChristineP on December 11, 2004, 04:56:32 PM Can someone give me a fast track on this announcement? busy w/ children! ???
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: jarmo on December 11, 2004, 05:33:47 PM Can someone give me a fast track on this announcement?? busy w/ children! ??? There's no annoucement. People make it seem like the band or Axl was gonna say something on Friday. Somebody found out that apparently Desmond Child and Axl had been spotted at the same studio last spring. But instead of posting that, they posted something about announcing that piece of information on Friday. It's like saying "I know something, but I'll tell you what on Friday". /jarmo Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: kira on December 11, 2004, 09:31:15 PM that is so annoying people like that need a life. ::) they have way to much time on their hands.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: estranged.1098 on December 12, 2004, 01:45:19 AM Can someone give me a fast track on this announcement? busy w/ children! ??? There's no annoucement. People make it seem like the band or Axl was gonna say something on Friday. Somebody found out that apparently Desmond Child and Axl had been spotted at the same studio last spring. But instead of posting that, they posted something about announcing that piece of information on Friday. It's like saying "I know something, but I'll tell you what on Friday". Except we don't know if that's exactly how things went. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: DemocracyRose on December 12, 2004, 06:08:47 AM I didnt say it was something big...
I took it from another forum, so you guys could discuss it.... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: mikegiuliana on December 12, 2004, 06:36:41 AM I didnt say it was something big... Nothing wrong with some info, but the title was a little deceiving.. Well at least that's what I got from it..I took it from another forum, so you guys could discuss it.... Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Mikkamakka on December 12, 2004, 06:59:17 AM I didnt say it was something big... Nothing wrong with some info, but the title was a little deceiving.. Well at least that's what I got from it..I took it from another forum, so you guys could discuss it.... I never thought it'd be an official statement. I got what I had expected: a rumour. It can be true or not. I hope it's not true. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: ccorn69 on December 12, 2004, 07:47:33 AM Four pages of posts for something that's totally non-news.? Oy vey, it gets sadder everyday. were getting more and more desperate arnt we; hey axl hurry up man Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: norway on December 12, 2004, 08:07:45 AM this board is dead-
- exept for the member-events and non-news stuff but the discussions are ok :D Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: estranged.1098 on December 12, 2004, 12:02:16 PM Quote from: WalrusOct9 As someone who's written songs both for myself and with bands I've been in, I imagine Desmond Child's contributions to be more structual or subtle than you guys are imagining. He's co-written stuff with Aerosmith, and it still sounds like Aerosmith...same with Kiss, same with Ricky Martin. It's obvious the guy knows how to create a song with a hook, whether it's in a hard rock or cheesy pop style...my guess is that when bands like Kiss or Bon Jovi co-write with Child, his job is more to take the ideas the band has and simply clean them up a bit...take a song from the band that has some cool ideas or parts and work with the band to shape the song into a more, say, "accessible" form. I really doubt Desmond Child has written entire sections of music for these bands, I think it's more of a collaboration with him offering minor chord changes or ideas on how to make the song stronger rather than him writing the songs. I say this just because I look at the songs Child has written with Kiss, Bon Jovi, or Aerosmith, and they aren't any different stylistically than anything else the band wrote without him. Take Slippery When Wet...if you weren't looking at the liner notes, you'd never notice any stylistic difference between "Livin' On A Prayer" which was written with Child, and "Wild In The Streets," which was just written by JBJ and Richie Sambora. If he contributes anything to a Gn'R record, I guarantee it won't sound any different than the rest of the album...the only difference I think would be that it would be a little tighter, catchier, and straightforward, since anything he's hired to work on is going to be something they want to release as a single. I wouldn't worry too much about this one, guys. :) Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: DemocracyRose on January 09, 2005, 10:27:17 AM From Bigboss... Splatforum...
http://www.sp1at.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=66 Jazan Wild has eventually said that Desmond Child was working on a different project in 2004 (thankfully ) It was only Curt Cuomo that worked with Axl. I'll write it up as a short story tomorrow just to clear it up The Child camp had also denied working with Axl Rose Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: ppbebe on January 09, 2005, 12:17:02 PM What a hell very Much ado. :confused:
This rumour was brought by A rumour board admin and killed by a Splatforum admin who is A rumour board admin? Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: gigger on January 09, 2005, 12:41:09 PM Sp1at is a new website incorporating the rumourboard. It no longer focuses solely on GnR but any UK and US (good) music. The current rumourboard will be closing over the next few weeks.
Wild comfirmed to BigBoss at Sp1at that it was only Cuomo and not Cuomo and Child that worked with Axl after the Rio 4 announcement. The rumour has hardly been killed, it has just been clarified and it has now been confirmed as fact that Cuomo and Axl worked together. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: ppbebe on January 09, 2005, 02:21:42 PM Who started this Desmond Child thingy then?
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: gigger on January 09, 2005, 02:33:12 PM Who started this Desmond Child thingy then? Jazan Wild originally said that Axl Rose, Curt Cuomo and Desmond Child were all working in the same studio. However, as it turned out Desmond Child was at the same studio but working on another project. Wild and Child have since confirmed that Child hasn't worked with Axl and they were working on different projects. Cuomo was working with Axl. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: visionary432 on January 09, 2005, 03:38:03 PM http://216.239.63.104/search?q=cache:TVI-lRdWQFwJ:www.kiss-related-recordings.nl/news_200411.html+curt+cuomo+axl+rose&hl=en
Quote November 17 : Jazan Wild covers? "Rock and Roll All Nite" A while ago Jazan Wild released a 4-track demo, including an awesome ?jungle? style cover of KISS? Rock And Roll All Nite. Produced by none other than Curt Cuomo ? known for his work with KISS/Bruce Kulick/Union to name but a few ? this demo is the build-up to an impressive project. Once you ?enter the jungle? and start surfing his site, you can?t help but notice that much more is going on here than ?just? music ? there?s a whole comic book project behind the forthcoming full album. For the comic book, Jazan teamed up with writer Brian Holguin and artist Kevin Conrad (who both worked on KISS? Psycho Circus comic book series). This will tell the full Jazan Wild story that is being pitched for a movie also. Before Jazan Wild could finish the album, he had to move on to another studio as Curt Cuomo became too busy with Axl Rose working in his studio. On his website it's announced that his new producer is longtime KISS associate Bob Kulick, in whose studio Paul Stanley has been working on his forthcoming solo album too at the same time. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: parisrocks on January 09, 2005, 04:14:43 PM You muthafuckers have taken this so far out of context!?
Keep your hearts from fluttering and realize that Axl records in many a different studio, all across North America. It doesn't mean that he recorded or worked w/ any of these fags, it just means they were near-by at the same time. ... and isn't desmond Child the guy who wrote the cut for Vince Neil's "comeback", which by the way, I never heard on the radio. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Mateoson on January 09, 2005, 07:34:57 PM Quote ... and isn't desmond Child the guy who wrote the cut for Vince Neil's "comeback", which by the way, I never heard on the radio. Yes, I believe so... Did anybody else see that show on Vh1? Well... in case you haven't seen it yet, he(desmond) is talking about how he doesn't care what the artist says, he's wrote hits for blah blah blah and they better listen to what he says... he said he's a bitch to work with. Not that it's a bad thing... I mean he has wrote a lot of hits n shit I guess. I was trying to picture that dude working with Axl. Two giant egos collide... I bet Axl would end up choking the shit out of that him. Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: SOH on January 09, 2005, 07:37:21 PM Yep, that was him, with his "fresh out of 1998" facial hair.
Title: Re: What Axl Did After The Spring Buckethead Statement, Information!! Post by: Sweet on January 10, 2005, 11:05:03 AM Jesus I feel like in one of those meetings the old ladies of my neighboor do to trade gossips :nervous:
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