Here Today... Gone To Hell!

What do you really think of the songs that didn't get on the studio albums? Like "Shadow of your love", "Crash diet", "Bring it on home", etc. I really see why they didn't make it and I'm glad that they didn't tarnish the albums. However it is a bit sad that the "extra material" isn't any good, as that would have been something to listen to, until the new record finally is released. Besides the songs being pretty bad, they're also really few.

It's really different if you compare it with an artist like Bruce Springsteen (ok he isn't any good anymore, but 15 years ago..). He released an entire box with songs that didn't make it. The outtakes and unreleased songs of his are in some cases brilliant. In his case, I sometimes wonder why they weren't released in the first place. But I guess they didn't fit at the time.

So what do you think of Guns N?Roses unreleased songs?

I'm also glad those songs didn't make it, but I know for sure that lots of people will show up here with a different opinion.

I don't think there was much left of GNR back in the days. Most of the Use Your Illusion songs were already written before AFD was even released.

Im sorry but those songs although not classics are part of GNR's history and i like them they may not be lyically great but they are not polished either think what they may have sounded like all cleaned up i personally would love to hear and album officially released with all these B Sides and i think a lot of fans would too.

I love Crash diet and Shadow of your love. The latter would have fit nicely on Live like a suicide IMO. The other unreleased tracks don't really do anything for me.

I really love some of these demo songs. 'Crash Diet' is a killer song IMO.

I think you have to judge them for what they are: demo tracks.

Songs can still change when you're in a studio recording (don't we all know ;D): eg the lyrics, which I have to admit are not always the greatest of lyrics Axl wrote...

The changes guns made were not always for the best in my opinion: I liked the rawness of the 'back off bitch' demo and the sadness in the 'don't cry' demo better than the released versions on the UYI albums...

Releasing them in spacial box like other bands did or are doing now would be great for fans, but will not happen in the near future because of newgnr.  But I for one am not waiting for that to happen, I like the songs for what they are: demos, nothing more and nothing less...

Well, if you look at Bruce Springsteen, with or without the ESB, who's always geared on writing and recording and touring, then yes, he will have a huge amount of unreleased songs, some of which will be hidden gems. I do agree, Springsteen does have quite a few hidden gems. But Springsteen is (and was) highly focused to his work and getting it out for the people to hear and experience.

GNR, on the other hand, have always thrived on chaos. It is/was a revolving group of anarchaic troubadours, who with a lot of herbs and spices, plus some bigtime egos, created some classic kick-ass stuff. But as songwriters who are always coming up with something new? I don't see it that way. They always had a limited amount of songs and kept reworking them. Trying to have 5 rambunctous hell-raising musicians agree on songwriting?

Look at a few of the songs on UYI ("Back Off Bitch, Don't Cry"). Those were leftovers from before AFD. As amazing and brilliant as the GNR songs are, compared to Springsteen's output between Greetings to before Prove It (about the same number of GNR releases), it's two different worlds. And in our GNR world, whom I consider myself a lifelong citizen, you will not see a prolific amount of unreleased songs. Let alone gems.

I would want to use people like Prince and even Ryan Adams (not Bryan) as similar examples. Again, single people instead of a band. There's 10x more unreleased stuff than released with them. And definitely some gems (Prince is a goddamm genius if you ask me).

But if you take a group of rambunctous musicians, toss in some booze, drama and egos (Sex Pistols, Jane's Addiction (the original group), etc.) then you will not see a huge arsenal of unreleased tracks.

I think Shadow of your love was great...raw, gritty...really what the band was about when they recorded it (I like the live and studio versions).
A song like Just Another Sunday or Crash Diet could have been something bigger and more interesting if they would have really taken the time to work on it in the studio.
But like other posters have said, GnR members (including Axl) aren't prolific songwriters.
Artists like Prince and Bon Jovi have so much unreleased material (although not all of it is that great). I think with GnR in the past, the cream always rises to the top and the best songs have made their CDs.
Who knows how much music Axl really has compiled in his studio vaults the past 7 years, but maybe once CD is finally released, the various sessions that went unused or unfinished will  become interesting topics of discussion and contain unreleased GEMS that we're all looking for.

Shadow of your love was officially released on the Live and let die single.

Ah, don't be picky. Who has heard it among the casual fans? We're talking about songs that didn't make it onto albums  ;)

I think the solo needed work but Crash Diet would have been great on Appetite.

I dig Crash Diet, and I think if they'd work on Bring it on Home it could have been brilliant..  There's a lot of potential there.

Crash Diet pretty bad?!?! :nervous: :nervous: Crash Diet is awesome! Killer intro, badass all around. Probably my favorite of all the unreleased songs. Shadow of your love is....good. Not great, but i still like it. It was also released on Hollywood Rose. Like what Axl did with it at the end - "you won't find? me in the....etc.." I agree that Crash Diet wouldn't have fit on the UYIs but it's still a great song!

and actually, it was also released on a UK 12" single for Night train or some similar promo back in the day. I know my friend bought it, and it was an official release.
Still, most casual GnR fans wouldn't know the song existed.

It was also on a compilation tape jarmo bought back in the day.

Called "Time To Rock"




/jarmo

Hey, I have that one too !  ;D

I really enjoy listening to almost all the unreleased songs. Crash Diet, Shadow of Your Love, and Just Another Sunday are probably the best of  them(imo). Especially Crash Diet. Shoulda been on AFD. Don't judge them as anything but raw material. A fully polished Diet woulda kicked ass. :yes:

although OT, but what is that about?

"Shadow Of Your Love" can be found on that compilation.

Along with other tracks from bands such as Faster Pussycat and Motley Crue.



/jarmo

Do we have a complete list of unreleased tracks?  That is, do we know what they all are and are they all out there to listen to?

http://www.heretodaygonetohell.com/misc/recordingsessions.html



/jarmo

Crash Diet came from the Use Your Illusion sessions in 1990 so no, it couldn't have been used in Appetite.

But the song was written before that as far as I remember.



/jarmo

I like all of the unreleased tracks I have heard so far. It's hard to tel if they woiuld have fit nicely on any album or not.

I do think "Crash Diet" would have worked on any album. I think "Shadow Of Your Love" and "Cornchucker" would have been nice on Lies.  I think there's a lot of potential with "Just Another Sunday".

It really would have been cool if they had a few of them on Live Era 87'-93'.  :)

There are tons of other songs too we have not heard, UYI had over 60 songs they chose from plus that lost album in 1996 they made, i think it was 8 songs or so.  So gnr could have a great box set if they wanted to plus slash wants to put the UYI outtakes on an album where the songs sound rawer.

lost album they made??  ???

yes duff talked about an album with slash, he and axl made in 1996 they had 8 songs done, then it all feel apart.

k, thanks.

jarmo, can you confirm this? haven't heard of that before.

I remember hearing about them working on something in 1996 and that it was supposed to come out in 1997. But how many songs and how finished they were, that I don't remember.



/jarmo

They should release that+ lots of live shows

The begining is gone on crash diet when i dl it

Would it be possible for someone to put a link up to some of these un-released songs?  I obviously have a copy of crash diet, but have been unable to find a copy of any others through Kazaa or other file sharing programs.

Where they not the songs that Slash put forward and then used on his Five O clock somewhere album cause i remember Axl was pissed saying that they were GNR songs even though he didnt want to use them.

it's five o'clock somewhere was out in 1995, so he couldn't use those songs. slash put some songs on the album, with which axl wanted to work with, but he was too stubborn and wanted no changes in HIS songs.

I read in an inteview Slash saying they have forgetton to put crash diet on Illusions. Damn shame on you slash how can you forget that great song. Killer intro,killer riff.

Also Aint goin' down from Appetite days was a very good for song too. I'd rather prefer it instead of Anything goes.

  No, no, no. We must have Anything Goes. "...panties 'round your knees with your ass in debris..." THAT'S Guns N' Roses baby. Turn it up BIIAATCHHH!

No they are different finished songs that sounded like AFD style songs from what I remember.

ha, ive been thinking about that lately, i was gonna post something asking about more possble Illusion outakes. And now this '96 album!!! oh my god i hope these tracks will see the light of day eventually....

UYI was supposted to be 4 albums but they made it two.

It's four LPs. ;)



/jarmo

crasd diet could have been one of the greats its rocks one of my favorites