Here Today... Gone To Hell!

It will be interesting to see how Motley Crue's new Anthology collection and upcoming tour will be. I know that they are planning a plethora of dates in the Europe which will most likely be successful, but here stateside could be a different story. I haven't checked on the venues yet, but it will be interesting to see if they choose to do 2 to 3 thousand intimate settings, or go the stadium route. If they do in fact go the stadium route ( a big mistake in my mind), I would love to see how it compared to the 2002 gnr tour. But one thing that really perplexes me is how the overall public will respond to the tour, and new music (even though I think only a couple of songs are new on the cd). I have heard the new song, and I think it's great by Motley Crue standards, and just so-so by musical standards. The reason I differentiate is because I think they suck, and I hated their music in the 80's, and I hate their music still, so by that judgement I hate the new song less. But this isn't about the Crue. I just want to see if their new arrival and tour early next year impacts the release of CD in February, and the overall response to both. For instance, if it's a shitty show, and Vince Neil appears like he has in recent appearances as a fat, has-been, hopefully people won't jump to conclusion that GNR will be the same. What do you guys think?

Im not sure because its more of a comeback.reunion thing is it not? I dont know much about the situation but from what I know its more of them reuniting,etc. So in that regard it wouldnt be a good gauge.

GNR is an old name but new product with new people. They arent going to be pushing the past. SO Im not sure it its a good comparison. But lets see how the Crue do...

The success of Motley Crue could impact Guns N' Roses?    No.

@#$%Funker

Do you have a reason for this opinion or is it complete unmerited?

People actually are excited about the Crue reunion, its getting alot of main stream press coverage. That is mostly due to the fact it is the original line-up re-uniting though, as they had recently been at each others throats and a re-union was not looking very likely. We will see how they do(I do think attendance will be outstanding at the tour which will go a long way in determining their future endeavors.)

Their situation is like comparing apples to oranges in reference to GNR. Gnr is a old brand new, with a new recipe. The Crue is also an old brand, but is operating as the original line-up....so they will do well strictly on the novelty of seeing the group back together who started it all.

Though Motley is widely associated with GNR, I'm not sure if their reformation is any kind of barometer to measure New GNR. ?

The general public knows who's in the Crue while they're either under the impression GNR is still together in it's original form, broken up or have no idea who the guys in the band are..

nothing can impact GN'R. they're not doing anything. so the world could turn to chaos and still it wouldn't make a difference.

I love motley, but I don't think it's comparable to GnR. Motley is reforming the original lineup,
and interest is already very high. They are playing 10,000 - 17,,000 seat arenas, and should do pretty well. I'm not sure how high ticket prices will be.
Motley released 5 Cds in the 80s, and since have released three studio CDS and various boxed sets and greatest hits compilations. I don't think a ton of people are really that interested in hearing new music from Motley Crue. They just want to see the original band back together. People DO want to hear new music from GnR, specifically Axl.
Motley has released a ton of music, and only some of it really stood the test of time. GnR
hasn't released nearly enough, and most of it HAS stood the test of time.
Despire Axl's psychosis, GnR remain much more viable to release new music in 2005
than Motley.

they doing spectrum schools out in norway, brides where there,

I don't think it will affect gnr too much, you know, judaspriest releases a reunion album in feb and alslo touring 05
Looks like a intresting year :D

hopefully gnr will get out and kick ass so we get a lots of rockers outhere in 05 :peace:

I like motley crue...

maybe the fued with Neil n' Rose will be reserected, overall, i see it as two great bands back in buisness : ok:

Everytime something happens it either opens a door or closes one for chinese d, I think the crue has nothing to do with anything that might happen to new gnr..

It sems like whenever a big artist or someone from the past is doing something some way we try and fit gnr into the mix..

The things that will effect new gnr is the way they approach this, the videos, single, promotion etc, all the other bands could fall offf the face of the earth, everyting is in axl's hands..

I love the crue, but they hold a label when it comes tot ehir music,when one thinks sthe crue they think 80's hair band..

I'll agree and say the two are completely different situtations...people will be going to the Crue show to hear the hits...let's face it, the last time the original line-up reunited, "Generation Swine" wasn't exactly a barn-burning success. People have been waiting for Axl's NEW material for awhile, and most schooled metal/hard rock fans know it ain't the old GnR line-up who'll be putting it out. The only parallel I can maybe see to GnR thing is the Crue's tour imploding like GnR's 2002 tour... because the Motley guys really still don't like each other or b/c they get stupid and assault security, like they did on their last reunion swing.

If Axl gets it together, it'll be an interesting year in rock though. And there aint been too many of those in a long while.

I was thinking about something similar to this before I saw it on the board. But my thought was more along the lines of "The Darkness, Silvertide, and now a Motley Crue reunion all getting mainstream attention in the year 2004? Frickin' Motley Crue? Where ARE you, Axl?".

The only possible way I think this could effect the Nu Gn'R is if the Motley Crue reunion is so utterly successful that somewhere down the line Axl has thoughts of reuniting the old band together.

Neither of those scenarios would ever happen, a Motley Crue reunion being successful and Axl thinking.  :hihi: Just kiddin'

No I think there is very little or no impact at all

Seeing as how the Motley Crue reunion tour was highly unlikely until now,
maybe this can show a chance for the original GNR lineup getting back together?
I would give it about around 5 - 7 more years. :-\

i just hope they don't sell out MSG because I plan on buying tickets the day of the show

To be honest I hope both new bands (new gnr ,vr) have a long successfull life and hopefully one day the old guys play together for one last time..

Axl has so much invested in this new group, and so do the members that have been doing a circle jerk waiting for their material to be heard, so for that reason I hope it doesn't happen until each person gets what they want out of the band..

The way I see it, new GNR and Motley Crue are in no way linked whatsoever.

Even if the motley crue reunion suddenly starts a huge demand for 80's rock bands, that's just not what GNR is anymore.

I can tell you one thing for certain, Axl don't give a shit about what motley crue are doin.

@#$%Funker

agreed...it actually put me off when I heard they were doing the reunion thing...I mean, been there, done that...it's just for money...granted they're entertaining, but geez, it just seems like a confirmation of the sad state rock n roll...but hey, if they can get some money from folks who wanna relive their high school years...why not

I love Motley Crue...my second fave band after GNR. They're doing Allstate Arena in Chicago. Somebody find out what numbers GNR sold there and compare to the Crue. Might be interesting.

Ok well as we all know Motley is gearing up for a new tour..then a supposed new album after the greatest hits which would mean a follow up tour then proabaly a farewell...And as has been rumoured GNR are shooting for a febuary release..which would mean these guys would proabaly have the chances to play festivals and be at awards shows together...Anyone think there is any chance of the Axl VS Vince saga to continue or do you think its been buried?

That thing is so dead and buried.. That's how I feel, those guys were big during that time, it's time to move on.. Plus axl was defedning izzy at the time..

I like how tommy lee was asked why theyd di this or how it came together, he said they were asked by a few promoters and the fans were really asking for this and they got together and now they are doing it.. I'm sure money was a big issue as well, but nice to hear the fans were apart of the reason..

Personally I don't think Motley Crue will influence Axl or the success or failure of his new band. I'm quite up for seeing MC live (and the Dirt if its ever released as a film), but I'm not really taking their re-union seriously.

What is apparent, is that next year seems like a real 80's rock/heavy metal revival - Iron Maiden, Judas Priest & Motley Crue all touring with the original members. If the press picks up on this and Axl just happens to release the album, maybe he'll be closely associated with these bands....which maybe a good or bad thing.

If by "people" you mean the members of this board. ?I don't think anyone else really cares about Axl or what he is up to. ?I would almost be just as satisfied to hear a new Poison album; at least they know how to treat their fans and show up on time (despite C.C. being a total junkie).

I hate hearing the word 80's band, don't you?

Just because gnr, motley crue etc kicked ass also in this period, they're that ::)

It's cool that motley just go out there and do it, i liked their first gig this year,

it's funny, larry have no idea what he's talking about, right click : ok:
http://files.foundrymusic.com/WMV/12062004_larryking_motleycrue.zip

If Rockers makes it good, it could secure gnr more commercial success and interest,
so in a weird way yes, in affecting the badly, no

The new Motley Crue tour is going to bomb. They'll be lucky if they pull in 5000 fans at most shows. Their new best of will bomb to. A Crue reunion is about as exciting as a Quarter Flash reunion.

So negative, hate to burst that bubble you live in but as many people that don't want to see an original motley crue lineup reunite there are also that feel the same about a gnr reunion without gnr aka new gnr.. SO at leas understand everything we might think is stupid other appreciate same goes for what we like..

PS I think the crue rocks and would love to see them jam again..

I dont see how crue affects Gn'r

how are two great bands back in buisness??? Gnr havent done shit since 02.... its weeks away from being 2005.....

GnR and Axl are far from being back in buisness.....

I agree that the Crue reunion will in no way effect GnR's success,but I do think its good to see these bands back on tour. There was good music in the 80's and they are actually still around and able to rock...

Among 80s hard rock bands, Motley were always closest to GnR in music, intensity, and image. I can still listen to Too Fast For Love and Shout at the Devil and get (almost) as excited as I do listening to Appetite.

Motley came before Guns and in some ways set the stage for them, and Motley are the only band that could be mentioned in the same breath as far as energy and impact. They are not Poison, Warrant, Trixter, Whitesnake, et al. The only 80s hard rock band you might put up at that level is Def Leppard.

(Aerosmith, AC/DC, Van Halen, etc are 70s bands and not in this discussion.)

So with that said, I do think a successful Motley Crue tour and successful album sales might be a useful vanguard for GNR. As an example, look how many pop-punk jobs Green Day have created. There is always a domino effect in these things. Sometimes the band that follows is a pale immitation, sometimes it is the proverbial "other shoe" dropping and takes the captive audience created by the other guy and blows everyone away. Music people love the comfy feeling knowing that people are into a certain style of music or are nostalgic for a certain genre. When the Beatles succeeded with 1, Elvis followed with his hits compilation. Another example of trend following.

Conversely, a cool reaction to Motley might cause very slight problems for the money people who would otherwise be dump money into promotion and support for Axl and his band.

Overall, I think Interscope has a plan for CD and will follow it more or less regardless of other bands actions, but they may be somewhat calmed to know that there is a market interest for GNR's closest kin.

Me2 love these album, if rockers like these makes themselfes poular and welcomed-

-things looks good for a name as gunsnroses, then it depends most on the music

edit: if rocks gets a little more mainstream...

The success of Motley Crue has no impact on GN'R whatsoever.

Nor will it inspire a reunion. Any chance of that was buried when Axl took the stage with his new band and made it official. It will never happen.

GnR played them same huge arenas on the 2002 tour.  I doubt Crue could fill 10,000 seat much the larger ones they are shooting for.  Rock isnt that hot right now and unless crue gets some mid size band to open their arenas are gonna be 50% full at best.

If motley crue makes it hotter...

then gnr could win at this, so it's a win-win situation? :beer:

but i doubt gnr needs any of it, hah : ok:

"If motley crue makes it hotter..."


I don't see that happening. Although I do really like the Crue, There are not many big rockers who can fill 15-17,000 seat arenas by themselfs. Kiss is out with Poison, Metallica recruited Godsmack, ect.  You need two good rock acts to fill that many seats.  I am sure cruee could easily get 5,000 people a city but if they think they can fill arenas by themselfs they need to wake up from their 1986 dream. I just seen a Scorpion/Telsa concert in a 10,000 seat arena and there was maybe 2500 people there, right now it just seems Hip Hop and Country are ontop and you need to be on their level to play the big arenas.  I don't think Crue will affect GnR at all. For one thing Crue is touring on their greatest hits saying almost goodbye where as GnR is trying to start over.  THeir greatest hits wont recruite that many new fans where it is gonna change rock as we know it.

sellin out huge arenas and being hot, being comercially succsesful don't need to correspond, even though tthey often do-
 gnr were really hot before they could sell-out arenas every night

but gnr have already company-backup, and music is very potent so that means more than what's in at the time :yes:

Motley Crue ?
I've Never heard of them.

TO stay on TOPIC. If the crue can have success with this tour. It should be easy for AXL to out do them condsidering Vince Neil now sings like the biggest wanker ive ever heard.

I just saw The Crue on Jimmie Kimmel and I have to say that Vince Neil really sucks now. What the hell happend to that guy?

If the Crue can pull off a tour with Vince sounding like this than Axl should have no problem gettin back out there and doin CD right.

People think Axl is washed up, please Vince is so uncool now it aint even funny. I mean, this guy sounds REALLY bad. Axl stiill has his power and range, anyone who has seen the new GnR can vouch for that. 

I cant fuckin wait for GnR to get out there and slay everyone in their path.

OUT :peace:

axl has way more integrity than motley crue, they are reuniting for the fans and for money/fame etc

axl has money, doesnt appear to really want fame and doesnt ever seem concerned about his fans

so i think a GNR reunion is a helluva less likely to happen than any other band. so Axl would never do something for the money, so i cannot see a gnr reunion happening

if the New GNR is a failure axl will just retire into the sunset forever.

Why do people always think that the success of some older band will help axl realise something and he will release the album..?

People must think axl's mindless..

I bet the other band members sit around hoping motley crue does good so they will be able to hit the road.. Hey guys if motley crue does good then the album will finally be out..

The one thing I will say do you feel motley crue fans feel that the crue will become really big again and top the charts?? I ask that because every new gnr fan is so sure that theior band will make the ultimate comeback..

I know mc wasn't as big as gnr but they were pretty damn big and successfull..

It's just great that their back, outhere playing together,

nothing more than that, and fans gets new material and videos- so thats cool : ok:

More rock in the industri :beer:

It's nice to me, I use to love MC... More rock is always a bonus, jsut funny how the bands coming back r now clean

interesting comparission, but sorta insulting (haha---don't like that corny metal stuff...sorry for those here that I offend, but I always thought MC were theatrical and old school...)
I'd like to think GNR were in a league of it's own, and it wouldn't really matter what the rest of the world was doing musically.  However, this is not the case (i.e. GNR were HIGHLY relevant when they first burst out of the scene in the late 80s and stood apart from the pop-poodle-metal.  But then when grunge came around, GNR seemed bloated and decadent--although I love thier musical work during this time).
So I really hate this comparison, bc I see gnr as more musically credible and relevant.  But that's my opinion. 

oh, and a side note:
It's mentioned that ppl who will be goin to the MC shows will want to relive that magic that they felt when they were younger.  But isn't that what we were doing when we went to the last GNR tour?  Wasn't Axl mostly singling songs from AFD??  But that's like all good "old" bands/musicians.  Mainstream fans wanna hear the hits.

Well if Motley Crue tour over here like they are supposed to then I will be there to get tickets.? At the end of the day it will probably be the last time that they do a world tour and I definately want to see them.? You guys in America dont know how lucky you are with all the bands you can go and see at any time.? We are lucky if we get one decent rock act over here a year - although we are spoilt next year with VR and Green Day!!? So anyway Motley coming here is a huge deal and I cant wait and I dont care if they are doing it for the money as long as their concert rocks!! ? ?;D