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Once and for all just say what you are expecting, are you someone that believes axl has been at this for about 6 years because he is working on 3 albums which he will release one every year, or is he just never able to finish one album over 6 years..?

I believe it's one album, just they had tons of material (like riffs and beats) and just made one from all the stuff they had..
No one is right or wrong just give your opinion, or interpertation of axl's statements..

FInally would you be let down if all this wait was for one album?

Dead horse

There is no other albums - its unlikely there is even one.

It's funny neither Dizzy or Tommy have heard of these ''other albums''

I don't care if he has three or a hundred. All I want is one. If he never releases another one, fine by me. After all this time I would like to have at least one new cd.

I have no doubt they have multiple albums worth of material, but that doesn't mean they will have 3 completed albums before they release just one. Besides, if the music for the 3rd album was written in 2001 and doesn't see the light of day until 2006,7 it will most likely sound dated anyway as you always get new ideas on the road...or change your course of action depending on how the fans respond. The main concern should have been getting your best 15 songs and releasing them instead of trying to plan for future releases that will most likely depend on the success of the first album anyway.

I just wanted some insight from the entire forum, I really wanted to know what everyone is expecting, what they tell friends, what they truly believe, ect..

How can gnr music sound dated??

I don't think they have been working on 12 songs for years and never gotten them finished.

Think about it, "Oh My God" was released in 1999. Do you think that was the only song they had recorded at that point?

The album was almost done at that point so there must've been more.




/jarmo

I think that they are focussed on one, but there is other material that Axl has designated for follow ups (I can't believe I'm actually talking about follow ups when they can't even get the first released).

Part of my reasoning is all of the orchestral tracks - I don't think he will put them all on one album.

Perhaps this is the music version of the Lord of the Rings Films, or maybe I've been smoking too much of the good stuff :smoking:

I think that they are focussed on one, but there is other material that Axl has designated for follow ups (I can't believe I'm actually talking about follow ups when they can't even get the first released).

Part of my reasoning is all of the orchestral tracks - I don't think he will put them all on one album.

Perhaps this is the music version of the Lord of the Rings Films, or maybe I've been smoking too much of the good stuff :smoking:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1429774/11091999/nullguns_n_roses.jhtml
I agree in 1999 when he did his interview with kurt loder he described the sound of cd when he was launching omg, the only possible thing I could think of is he scrapped it because omg wasn't taken so well.. I just remember it was knocked on my local radio station and within a few months it was gone like end of days..

The thing is he has only spoken of cd in most interviews even saying how close it was to coming out, then in 2002 it semed further then ever.. The vmas was aug 2002, the tour wouldn't have ended till 2003 then more recording after the tour, tour was cut short and it still never panned out.. You figure witht eht our being cut short it would have spd upo recording to an album which had to already be close to done being they did some touring (cd tour 2002).. Sure bh left but how much could have possibly been left..?

It just always seemed that cd was coming out since 99, and each year after cd was mentioned.,..

I guess they have enough materials for more than a few albums (but some of which may not worth releasing).


No. But I definitely prefer they release more n more.

Where did they say that? ???
funny I haven?t heard of either Dizzy or Tommy talking about their no-''other albums''.
Actually Tommy's dropped a hint as to the second album.
 8)

The album was almost done at that point so there must've been more.




/jarmo

Good point.  I remember interviews from Brian May and Moby dating from 99 saying the album was done.  There has to be more.

Whether axl has recorded 1 or 50 albums is irrelevant,(although I remember Moby said there was material to release at least 7 albums) 
What we get is the only thing that matters.

I believe we'll get one. Then the little girl will start crying out for WOLF..but that album will never see the light of day. maybe in 10 years we'll get an unreleased boxset like the newest Nirvana box. But of course that means axl will have to die. Or geffen will have to sue him or something.

Dizzy and tommy have both mentioned the three albums, so you are wrong.

They've also mentioned the album being released this side of the end of the universe, so I think we can establish that they don't have a clue what the fuck they're talking about.

Dave, thanx for clearing it up. So this horse is not Dead in fact. : ok:
 
Can you tell me where they said that? I wanna read.

Ta!

this what axl said in the omg-era

We've been working on, I don't know, 70 songs

 The record will be about, anywhere from 16 to 18 songs, but we recorded at least two albums' worth of material that is solidly recorded

or listen to the london thing : ok:

or the press people who claims thousands of hours :beer:

All depends upon the reaction to the first offering...I'm sure there are THOUSANDS OF FRAGMENTS FOR HUNDREDS OF SONG IDEAS, but I doubt very much we're speaking about multiple albums worth of releasable material here....It's a really morbid thing to be wishing death upon someone though...I hope he's on death's door as we speak...

but 13 mill has to go somewhere,

I think there's a lot thats been pro-recorded in 00-04 :peace:

Well, even Axl said, once, that the album was gonna be released "next summer". It don't means he don't know how many songs they have... don't make confusion between the release date and the number of songs.

Maybe Tommy and Dizzy are not the only ones that don't have a clue what the fuck you're talking about... ?:confused:

Given the fact Axl and various lineups of the band have been working for a decade on this, it wouldn't surprise me if they had enough material for three albums.

But when it comes to the current situation of GN'R, quality is the operative term, not quantity.

Axl can have 70 or 700 songs, it doesn't matter.  They must put the absolute best of what the band has produced on Chinese Democracy[/i].  No saving anything for later because, if the record doesn't deliver, there likely won't be a "later."

I think it would have been really great if axl first released an album right after he re entered the roick world with oh my god, it would have put a lot less pressure on him now..

If he does have three albums I think it would have been better to just release one see how it did and then continued to finish the others..

That lord of the rings type theory is silly, one false move on tour and it can all  be over,,

How many bands make albums and tour and things of that nature all in the same process.. Look at U-2, they tour, they keep the fans happy and make good music,that's not much to ask for..

I always wonder how axl was able to be so hungry, leave for LA as a teen and rock all the way through and become the biggest frontman just to stop performing and be a recluse..? Doesn't he miss touring, being a showman, and things of that nature? Why risk losing band mates do to a forever wait, there's no logic for any move he makes..

It'll really suck if geffen has to force this album out or another person leaves..

You are not tired of these things? Fuckin' smellin' dead horse.

I think theres at least 2 albums worth of material.....I think Axl is currently finishing them both up, so he can focus on tour, etc after CD is released.....His life is going to be turning upside down from the past decade once it is released and he prob. hasn't ?felt personally ready for the preasure that awaits him. ?I can guarantee that Axl hasn't spent a decade trying to come up with 1 album.....he's prepairing for a new GNR era and after the release of CD I bet we'll get another 2 or 3 albums out of him in the time that it took to get CD out.

I definately believe the 3 album theory. It makes perfect sense. I think they have 2 solid albums that is ready for release and the 3rd probably needs to be completed.

Why this is such a big deal among gnr fans is beyond me. Actually its a good thing because we are going to get non stop gnr once it begins. There will be no more delays when the ball EVENTUALLY gets rolling. Thats the whole key and the frustration. People see it as a negative and say o how can there be 3 albums if they cant release one. Very simple. They have been working oin variosu kinds of material. And they want to perfect all the material. Not just 1 albums worth.

It doesnt mean the hold up for CD is because of the other albums. The hold up to CD is probbaly more to do with CD and other stuff...legalities, etc.

Your more than likely answering your own questions dude. Its obivious being "out there" is not as important to Axl as it is to others. He could care less, and his actions have shown that.
It depends on how you look at things...heres how i look at things...

When it became apparent that the old lineup was thru, Axl had to rebuild the whole thing. This started in about 1999. Thats when the music began. The actual band began around 2001. Thro win the band working on the already existing material, and all the new material that arose it took time. Especially when the goal is to make the best album/music ?possible. ?

SOOO, being that its 2001, about 3 yrs since the old band has left, 2 yrs since the new era began, and 10 yrs of original gnr material ....theres a good chance Axl said I might as well take my time with this since a hsitload of time has ALREADY passed. Its now 2005. 6 yrs removed from new gnr era. In that era we presume that the band has atleast 2 probably 3 albums done. 3 DIFFERENT kinds of albums. But not just any album, albums they have worked thier asses off for. Throw in legalities, aborted tours, Buckets departure, and YES the Axl PERFECTIONISM/MASTERPIECE aspect thats where we are today.

The key top the whole thing is getting the whole thing going. Meaning the whole promotion/alnum/tour aspect. Once that happens thinsg will be how thye want it. GNR all the time.

The wait sux but if you look at it in this light its tolerable and reasonable. SO thats up to u....thats my take

people talk about 3 albums, but all will depend on the "chinese democracy" album success:
- if CD is a successull album, they may relase a second album and then a third album
- if CD is a failure, forget about any other album release(s). GN'R will very likely be over. Axl is way too proud to come-back without beeing successfull. The guy is very ambitious and wants the new-GN'R to be the biggest band in the world when "chinese democracy" comes out. He would never accept to be the number 2. that's as simple as that.

first, i really wonder why people still talk about 13 million, this number is  at least 2 years old. i guess now it should be up at 14 or 15.

second, i stick with the 3 album theory, although there's probably more stuff (industrial style-thingy). but if CD doesn't do well, there'll may be nothing else we get. but i strongly believe that CD will be a success. music-wise axl knows what he's doing.

if it don't sell well...

try again,  :yes:

The first one has to at least move enough units to justify promotional money, touring expenses, etc...that accompany future releases, period.

I just hope he knows what he's doing if he does the three album thing, .. 13 million for three albums at 5-6 years sounds a little better then 13 for 1 over 5-6..

It's nice to see what everyone is thinking though.. :peace:

GUNS N' ROSES' 'Chinese Democracy': $13 Million In Production Costs (And Counting)? - Mar. 15, 2004

not even a year? :hihi:

But we these "reporters" fail to realize is that they have been making various kinds of music for different albums. I think the money has been for the whole project not just the 1 album

I would be disappointed if there was only one album and nothing agian after that. I mean when I get annoyed about GnR's current dormancy it's not because I am just waiting for chinese democracy. I would like them to tour for a year or so, head into the studio and release more cool shit. Not that Axl or the rest of the band owes it to us or something like that but none the less I would hate another 14 year gap between albums.

More money now? They really has to belive in their product...

i think there were originally gonna be 3 albums, say 4 singles from each album etc etc

i think however after the 2002 debacle and now with all the pressure and criticisms axl has scrapped the 3 cd plan for now and will take the best songs from the 3 albums and release a 15-18 track cd with 12 songs that were intended to be singles all on one cd

the only way to shut up the naysayers is to have an on par with Appetite type record, if he has a record with 12 singles or as ive been sayin since day one on this board *the greatest hits we've yet to hear* i think he will be successful, then after he can use some of the leftovers from albums 2 and 3 and right some more songs.

hmm Sorry. What do you mean ?

I will definetly say the wait is worth it if there is a follow up p[lan to whatever he releases anbd that the material is already done, .I would hate to hear and album came out then have some long delay again..

If he does something like during the illlusions setting a tour record and has all that material to back it up then it would alkl be worth it..

I just don't want a one n out ,sure as fans we just want the material, but we also want gnr to succeed.. Besides it's been ages since axl did a big tour and released alot of material, it would be nice to finish his career with gnr  by doing something great..

I think he replied to the bold part.? ?"and counting" = "and increasing"

And you're fucking right. The number of $13 Million just came up this March concerning to the GH lawsuit. From "a nameless source" according to the reporter.  :hihi:

That's the spirit! U rule! : ok:

DOes anyone think a tour is booked already?? I mean you have to do these things months in advance.

sometimes even a year in advance if you want to play in a stadium for exemple. For exemple, Oasis annouced they will play some UK stadiums in october I think...for next summer (July)

There's two reasons I think there must be some sort of plan for more albums which means material already recorded to a point.

Firstly, I don't care how much of a perfectionist Axl is, you don't take this long working on just 12 songs or so. There must be a lot more material which won't be on the first album.

Second, the record company must have put all that money in for a reason. Would it be worth it for one album? Probably not. 2 or 3, makes sense.

@#$%Funker

It would be very hard to prevent the news to leak, but you never know...

You would think the same for at least one song from cd, I'm not sure I believe the irs shit..

If gnr is planning a big tour that's going to be tons of citys and a year or more they would have to be booking arenas already.. You can't just throw an album out and hope you can get madison square garden../

I just hope teh clearchannel shit is fixed, they have a monopoloy on the business.. I bet gnr is planning a european tour first.. They just do better outside the states (well until they gain popularity again..

if they can book arenas without revealin the performers name, we won't know at all

but so many city's and countries... it just got to leak if they know it guns

I can't believe so many peopl have been involved with the album/s and not one word leaked..

Not hearing anything period worries me, maybe there's nothing to leak.. :'(

Here?s a maxim of a wise man.  : ok:

They are honoring their word of keeping things hush hush

Plus not to mention afraid of getting fired and their asses sued.

I don't think it's that theres like a CD,CD2 and CD3 but more like just about 100 songs that could be put into 3 albums!

songs usually leak when they get to the record plants and some worker there will swipe a copy and thats how it begins.

in the studios the masters and computer hardrives are locked in safes and axl is the producer so nothing is unsupervised.

it is still amazing the loyalty people have to axl, even the members who have quit for not sayin anything at all.

Im thinkin there would be some massive lawsuits and some kind of gag agreements have had to be signed.

i wonder if axl will send armed guards to supervise the record plants?

I think the whole gag order things plays a role but i think it has more to do with how Axl has really changed since the world last seen him....

What I mean is like how he has developed friendships with people and what these people say about him...how he is loyal, genuine, etc....So with that being said the people he has involved himself with have a respect for him and have not really badmouth him or shed any major light on the album or band because they honor that relationship{on whatever level it may be} by not saying anything...

GNR should just lock down a plant and have the cd made their. Tell the plant if it leaks your home iwll be my new home....I dont know why bands dont just do it in 1 or 2 select places so they can trace the leak....some1 enlighten me about the process...

Just to clarify the obvious;

1. Axl did say there were 3 albums.

2. There are 3 clips of studio quality songs.

3. It takes a long time to record 3 albums.

4. Things change.

5. It's hard to proceed with the origional plan when things don't go they way they were projected.

6. We just have to wait (a long time) to get what we are here for.

Not speaking for eevryone, but I'm sure most groups want something to leak, it causes a buzz, people get to hear the song.. I think it only helps.

It would be great if a gnr tune leaked, just for the idea it's a reality... I know there is a lot of material, album/s or whatever but sometimes I feel so many things have happened and there's just no word on anything that a leaked song would just give me the satisfaction of knowing it's a reality..

I love it when people try to justify the delay of the album by saying that the music began in 1999, or by saying that Axl is workin on 3 albums etc.

I view Axl as an artist and i don't believe that Axl (or any other artist) decides when "the music begins"-its just a matter of inspiration. When inspiration "hits" u then art is made.

So if you take into account that  Axl has not released a new song(apart from OMG) since 1991 i find it absolutely normal that he has recorded several parts of numerous songs. I bet any musician in the world can write and record 100 unfinished songs in 14 years!!!

The real question is how many finished songs has Axl recorded  and i think there are two possible answers:
a)Axl has some kind of "writer's block" and can't finish songs he has partially recorded
b)Axl has not faith in most of the songs he has recorded either due to his perfectionism or due to the fact that the songs are not that good to begin with : ok:

just my 0.02

I can't evenbegin to say how many time both points you made have crosssed my mind..

Also I really believe when a group comes together with the intentions of making three albums or a multi album deal before releasing one they will just have the material come to them and be able to bang it out in a fairly reasonable amount of time.. When you get together and write songs you have a creative group of guys the ideas, lyrics riff, etc will just flow.. Maybe it's just so hard to pick the songs, maybe it's trying to make the songs so pefrect, maybe the idea of use of an orchestra made things take longer..

ALl I know is a few songs in 5-6 years isn't much..

I mean do they write a song then put music ot it and listen to it over n over saying thats prety good but it needs a little more of this or that, is he doing music or making a sauce? Need a pinch more of salt, needs more red pepper , or eventually you used to many onions lets make another sauce.,. Everything is crazy, I just can't wait to see soemthing, and to anyone who won't be let down if nothing happens.. Well..

I don't know man.I mean sometimes i think that this whole thing has grown out of proportion.The whole concept of CD,the x years in the making, the fact that Axl has not released anything new in 14 years and the fans anticipation of CD-i am afraid that all this shit has killed Axl's inspiration. I wish Axl is in the studio right now fixing little details in order to make (an almost perfect)CD absolutely perfect.

But I'm afraid that's not the case.I am afraid that Axl has lost his faith in the songs he has recorded so far and he has entered a vicious circle of tweaking songs that are not that good to begin with and because he doesnt like the result he keeps tweaking them.

I wish he had released a record just after the OMG release.Even if the record was a failure it would have loosened the pressure on Axl and he would be able to work with much more freedom as he wouldnt have anything to lose...

Now he has everything to lose and i believe that this pressure chokes his creativity

just my 0.02

I thought the way to go would have been to release something during the omg era, he talked very highly of cd in 99, he described the types of songs.. It seemed like a definite go..

Sure he wants to make the best music, but it wouldn't have hurt him any if he just put wsomething out, he know gets bashed n hears more shit then life, at leas the other way he would have presented a nnew band ,some material and things of that nature..

Also omg wasn't much of a hit so maybe that discourage him and the negative comments people made towards it.. In nyc people were like wtf when they heard the song, it wasn't guns sounding..

I've said this in other threads, maybe he want sus to believe he has the best album ever, he may never release it because he knows it could neevr live up tot he imaginary hype it's achieved without a person hearing it.. Maybe it's better we sit around and believe the best album that never existed is just a hairs breadth away..