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Why do think they has released "live in tokyo" as the official live-video? They`re not really in top form and Axl sings absolutely terrible, out of breath the hole time and hitting all the false notes. There`s so many great perfomences which are recorded why pick Tokyo?

Because the performance is great. IMO

You totally wrong.... and out of breath.... :rant:

I think that GNR did some of there best performings here...

Like Rocket Queen, Estranged, November Rain, Nightrain, Dont Cry and Pretty tied up...

In the lower end... Y.C.B.M, Sweet child o mine and Its so easy...

I never understood why they released Tokyo either. Hell, even Paris 92 or Buenos Aires 92 (filmed for the television) would have been better choices.

But IMO they should have released a video from 1991, when the band was raw as hell...like one of the Los Angeles Forum shows (Inglewood, July/ August 91). The last show was in my opinion one of the best shows the band ever played (and the longest as we all know): Dead Horse, Locomotive, Estranged, You're Crazy, Rocket Queen, etc.

I think the band have played a solid dozen of shows better than Tokyo during the UYI tour. Hell, if they REALLY wanted Tokyo, why didn't they release one of the first two nights? (02.19 & 02.20) That's when they played Coma and Locomotive...

When did Axl start to sing so bad live anyway? In the early days he sang so fucking great live, perhaps even better than on the albums, but while touring for UYI he mostly just sang like crap (IMO) guess he was too busy trying to put on a show on their gigantic stage. Berhaps all his running `round took his breath away and he had no air to sing? Opinions?

He was smoking and drinking too much. That's gonna kill your voice. It made it more raspy though - I know some like that.

I really don't understand why they released Tokyo. They perform pretty bad except for a few songs. I think November Rain is especially awful there. It sounds real dull.

Maybe it wasn't the band's choice? Maybe that was the show with the best sound/picture quality

Maybe the other shows contained rants that Geffen didn't want getting any more publicity......

Maybe some Japanese politicians paid the band to release THAT show :nervous:

Didn't they record that one speically? Like, actually planned it before they played it?

i love that show. eventhough axl's voice is fucked sometimes, but hey! its LIVE  : ok:


and anotherthing, who is that leadguitarist? he fuck's up slash sweet child solo by bending a long and terribly false note.....  :hihi:

maybee the promoters in Tokyo paid them to film it there

I like the Tokyo concert but i think they could have made a better choice for an official video

To me there are moments of brilliance as well as moments of complete embarrassment on the Tokyo dvds.

Having watched them again only recently, the thing that stands out to me the most is Slash's incredible shredding. I forgot how f**king unbelievebly good he is.
Just check out the extended solo in Double Talkin Jive or Rocket Queen to see what I'm talking about. :beer:

They should've released Paris 1992 or one of the 1993 shows instead of Tokyo. Those shows were a much better representation of the band.

Using Nightrain as an intro was pretty cool...

I watched this show 1000000 times in high school before the internet made getting bootlegs so easy.. I loved it then but now i couldnt stomach to watch it agian for the 1000001 time...

yeah, paris 1992 was smart!

did they ever release that live dvd in 2002 that was only available in japan??
i had to buy the brazilian UYI dvds when i found out they existed!!

They recorded every show (or most of them. Some tapes were "liberated" and released as bootlegs tho). Didn't Axl announce on the first night in Tokyo that they were filming that show for release?

All three Tokyo shows were filmed for release. They should've taken the best from all nights and put it together to one video think. That would've been cooler.

nah def not! i cant stand dvd releases like that where they chop and change between shows. i like to see a specific whole show. That's much better, you get the honesty and power. the show speaks for itself. that way u get a true representation of the band live! i hate polished up and doctored releases as they arent true to what the band are actually like live. yes u get the glitches, but u also get the spontaneous live moments. :-)

as for axls voice, i love the growl. his voice didnt 'go shit' 91 indiana he's in worse form vocally but got loadsa energy! thats one hyper show! :-) 2002 hgis voice was too clean, thin and high until later in the tour (boston, msg) where he got the gowl back but cleaner! that voice sounded good. the earlier 2002 shows highlighted whenever he was off cuz the growl used to give the voice a better tone. but yes, tokyo was a little over raspy! but still great! i think that intro to sweet child fucked it up a bit lol!

on a completely diff note did anyone notice the huge gaps between songs towards the end of the sets in the 2002 tour - that really annoyed me and killed the pace when they played the new songs. thats a big pet hate for me, it kills a show if u leave huige gaps all over the place. still, i loved the shows, just a minor critique :-)

You Are Fuckin' Crazy man. out of breath? yeah right..  :rant:

Since the Search option does not work as of yet, I wasn't able to see if this topic was already discussed, which I'm sure it was so I made this thread in the Dead Horse section, if that's ok.  :-\

Does anyone know the reasoning as to why they chose to make videos based on their live performance in Tokyo. In my humble opinion, Rocket Queen was an amazing performance, as were a few other songs but when I watch Welcome To The Jungle from Live Era, I see some live shots that floor my mind and I was just curious as to why they specifically chose that Tokyo date.

I haven't seen many live Gn'R shows, but it looked to me as if it wasn't one of their best performaces, though maybe it was. It just seemed from the lighting, the camera work that this was pre-planned to become a home video. That's what it seemed like to me. And after watchin' a commercial for Live Era, it looks like that wasn't the only date played at Tokyo, but I digress....

I was just wonderin' if anyone had any information, there just seemed to be alot of shows they could pick from that  weren't necessarily polished but had that crazy, anything can happen vibe that Tokyo kind of didn't, although the songs were performed pretty well. 

I think its a good show ok there are better shows out there I think it was pretty good show its all eyes on Axl no matter  :)

I'll take the paris video over tokyo anyday the fans sucked in tokyo..

Maybe that?s why. So that They call every bit of our attention to their performance. ::)

I didn't like the tokyo dome. I Think GN'R are stadium band, and open-air concerts are made for them.

I Agree..They should of released Paris 92 or Chicago 92 or something..But ive seen better performances then the Tokyo

i like chcago too, st.lois rocks until the accident 

there ares so many good shows with gnr

I don't think St. Louis was an accident.  Axl just didn't want to be there.  Why couldn't they release the Las Vegas 01' or 02' shows.  One of the only shows I can recall Axl playing in a small club with in the last decade, and on top of that it was GREAT!

I wan't the las vegas 02 show 8)

I would like to see something from the 2002 North American tour come out on DVD. :smoking:

Great question. Unfortunately that is what passed for a pretty good show back then. I'm sure Axl wanted it for one reason or another. I will say this, there are moments during Rocket Queen when the Axl of old can be detected. But for the most part he sounds like a guy with laryngytis. And the sound is hideous.... you need a live sounding crowd to make a live recording seem even passably interesting.

I think Oklahoma, Hartford, Chicago and Indiana shows would be better than the Tokyo one. But, if I could choose, I would go with Inglewood! It would be a really cool 3-DVDs Box-set. And LOCOMOTIVE!!!  :beer: : ok:

I love the tokyo concert, but imo there are a lot better performances. why did they release this one?. who knows, but i love it too.

Probably because Japan is the second largest market in the world.

I love Axl's voice when it's raspy as hell.. It sounds so fu**ing WILD and GOOD  : ok:  :beer:

Yes, the crowd was just watching....The paris one everybody gets into it and jumps and stuff.

Do you people really think they brought an entire video crew with them for every show? These shows were pre-planned to be released and, as far as I can tell, they took performances from all three nights in Tokyo (I think it was 3 nights anyway). The only reason I can gather as to why they didn't include songs like Locomotive and Coma was because of their length. Out of the 25 or so songs played over those few days it would appear that they chose to go with more songs rather than have to cut an additional two songs from the set to squeeze in Locomotive & Coma.

So to answer your question, it's not that they had EVERY other live show to choose from to release because not every other live show was taped in that fashion (with some exceptions like Paris, of course). They just happened to not be totally ON those three nights and what you see is what you got.

Personally, it bothers me how they chop up the performances over the three nights. Watch it again and notice how Axl's clothing doesn't match in some shots (ie: he's wearing the November rain outfit TWICE in the same show). I understand they want to showcase their best performances of each song across the few nights that they tape, but how "un-rock n' roll" is that...too polished if you ask me. Give me a raw show, straight through any day over these polished turds and others (ie: Metallica's Cunning Stunts, Aerosmith's You Gotta Move, etc.)

It also bothered me that the UYI Tokyo shows were broken up into two tapes. Sure, they're 90 minutes apeice, however you probably have 30 minutes worth of crappy interviews (Duff's being the worst), two boring introductions and two sets of ending credits. Just show the damn concert and you would be able to fit it on one tape (or disc). Of course, that woulddn't be as profitable, now would it?  ::)

Id love to get into Axl's vault lol...All of there shows,demos,pics etc...man wouldnt that be cool..I dont know why they wouldnt release a bunch more stuff like kiss and the stones do..They'd make so much money...and it would please there fans its a win win situation

No need for a Gilby Clarke show to be the official release.  Got to have Izzy in there, especially for a UYI show.

every arena show for big screens : ok:

Actually, that's not the same kind of crew. Different equipment, rigging, etc.

I love the Tokyo performance. Paris would have been amazing as an official release.

As far as a 1991 release, weren't the plans to record and officially release the St. Louis performance since there were two scheduled nights and they could've taken footage from both concerts as they did for the Tokyo release ? But then got canned because of the riot.

yes you have a point , and they probably think that in America a show from japan would sell more , if you sell the chicago show the people see it like the other 30 shows that they play in America , but "Guns N Roses in Japan" is something the fans want to see . they probably wrong but thats the reason i think 

Sorry to "blast from the past" you - just dragging up this thread from 2004!

I think that the Tokyo Show is one of the band's finest performances. It's strange to think that just 2 years later the whole thing imploded!

Axl's improvisation at the piano before he plays November Rain is mindblowing - he plays the upper notes with just his first three fingers. (or was it a hand injury?  :hihi:)

Slash does not miss a single beat or note.

Did Duff ever get to release that album that he was talking about - where he plays every instrument on it?

Also, not sure if Axl said this at other concerts - at the end of So Fine - "how could she be cool etc" he says "because she is smart that's why!"

Wonder who?

If i'm remembering correctly in the solo of i think the first song of the concert slash messes up

and duff did release that album it is the klunker (i hate to say it) named believe in me

What Nightrain. Didn't really notice it.

Everyone was alittle nervous at the beginning, even Axe. By Live and Let Die (3rd song) they all begin to relax.

Looks like they just flew in and went straight to the Dome. The crowd was huge.

Slash's "Godfather" solo is beautiful! + the amount of concentration he had to put into the 2 hour show! That man could hold his own.

Shame about Duff's album. Looks like they didn't get to do the Punk cover album either.

Watched those DVD's waaaaay too many times as a kid, absolutely loved them. That was the only decent live footage back then, apart from bootlegs which could be really crap quality.  Now with the internet etc, everything's available for comparison against those shows, and they don't seem quite as good now as they did then. Sound quality lets them down, but a great performance. Axl in top form but not his best night vocally, although he has some amazing moments IMO.

Would've preferred a show with Izzy playing as opposed to Gilby.

I think Axl sounded awesome in the late 80's and early 90's, but would rather forget 2001-2002. His voice lost what I love about it during that period, too high and smooth for me.

He's got it back now though, blew me away when I heard him in 2006. Back to his old brilliant self.  ;D

I don't hate his 2001- 2002 voice. was great on new songs. :smoking:

Wow.... old school thread. :smoking:

Anyway... never chimed in on this one in 2004... but I agree that the fact that Japan is the world's #2 economy was probably a decisive factor. Every American teenager into rock music was guaranteed to pick this up. By choosing Tokyo... they likewise virtually guaranteed that every Japanese teen/early 20's would buy it as well. Smart move IMHO.

I think also the "set-up" at the Tokyo Dome with the crowd relatively far from the stage and the generally "calmer" demeanor of Japanese fans made it easier for the film crew to control conditions and get the great up close shots they wanted.

Anyway, not their best concert by any means... but a pretty good standard representation for the show they were putting on across the globe for 2.5 years... I still throw 'em in from time to time b/c I actually liked the Gilby/Matt GN'R era...

Yeh, the "calmer" fans meant that Slash could jump off stage and run infront of the crowd with 3 bodyguards in tow!

Gutsy of Axl to wear the Red Star cap during Civil War -

OMG! See! He was thinking of Chinese Democracy even then!  :hihi:

they should of released the chicago 1992 show. that is one of there best shows ever.

My opinion is that he didn't "start to sing so bad", in the early 1992 his voice was fucked up at some points but 1991, later part of the 1992 (Europe and Metallica-tour) and 1993 are great examples of his great voice. Altough he had problems with his voice during the Metallica-tour, I think he handled it well and there some great proofs of it. In 1993 his voice was simply amazing, people don't seem to realise this and I think it's because the only pro-shot is the Argentina show and that's not IMO even close to the greatest performance from that era.

And what comes to the Tokyo show, I think the band does amazing job even though Axl's voice is kinda bad here and there. But yes, there were far better choices than the one they realeased..

There are some incredible moments on there and some weaker ones

I used to play these two videos and the Paris one quite a bit and compared the different setlists and same song performances

Estranged was pretty cool and so was PTU

There are alot of shows that they could have released. I always thought that these shows were not that great (although they had some really cool moments).

 I love videos that show songs from different places I don't know but it gives me that whole "World Tour"  feeling. I love to see the different crowds etc. in different locations. Just for example the Dead Horse video with all the different footage is much more interesting than LALD. Sorry to bring Skid Row into this thread but the 2 videos they released "Oh Say Can You Scream" and "Roadkill" are the best I have seen. Really cool shit.

Can you imagine i.e

Coma-Chicago
Perfect Crime-Indiana
Estranged-Munich
Patience-Bueno Aires
Double Talkin-Milton Keys
It's so Easy-Wembley
Jungle-MSG NYC
Locamotive-LA Forum
Paradise City-Rio De Janeiro

the list goes on and on

That would just kick fuckin' ass along with a little travel/backstage footage,  man. That would kick the Tokyo videos ass!

My question...: why they release the tokyo show in two separate dvds?? It's one show!!  ???

IMHO b/c the UYI albums were released as 2 different disks (one yellow/red and one blue). To follow along w/this theme, they released 2 different live videos (one yellow/red and one blue). They probably made more money doing  it this way and had an excuse to do it to go along w/the 2 disk theme of the UYI albums.

 -= IzZbo =-

But the strange thing is that AXl called it the Get IN The Ring Tour (on stage).

"This is still the Get In The Ring Tour, so do you know where you AAAARRRRRRRRREEEE!!"

Who didn't get to release their punk covers album?

G N' R

1992 -  Axl said they were looking to put out a punk cover album.

Umm, they did. The Spaghetti Incident?! was released in November 1993. You should get it.

That's not punk.

Sure it is.What else would you call The Misfits, The Damned and the majority of artists covered on TSI? I think the album is underrated. Now if you had told me that this would be the last album released by GNR for (at least) fifteen years, I might not have believed that at the time.The GNR versions might not sound completely "punk" but if I wanted to hear the originals I would just listen to those.

Guess I had higher expectations...

Underrated, perhaps, in the spirit of punk, maybe.

In any event you certainly did pull a pretty convincing "Sid" here tonight.  :P

Paris '92 is the best Pro shot GNR show from the UYI tour I think and also the one I watch the most. Chicago is a close second though (Estranged & Coma).

I'm not a huge fan of the Tokyo shows either in all honesty, Axl is not on top form like he was in Paris.

Not in top form?!

He does spend most of the two hours running back and forth across a sports stadium with out puffing...

Interesting question...I never asked myself that.

There's a lot of show who deserves to be released. Tokyo is a good show but is far away of the better ones.

Tokio was planned to be released as a DVD... Axl acting is too obvious, Estranged is a very good example, he did perform for the camera.

That's good, but tokio didnt show the very explosive energy on guns n roses... indiana was way better... there's lots of good bootlegs, better shows than tokio, but maybe those bootlegs werent recorded with high definition...

Yeh, but also when the crowd is that big you have to over exaggerate every move - so that the people in the back can see you. He was filmed close up that why it looks over performed. There is a difference between stage acting and film acting.

Question:

Did Axl sing that bit about "sail away sweet sister, sail across the sea....." and "I'm in love with a girl but I've picked a pretty bad time to be in love" at other concerts? Or was it just a Tokyo thing?

How's it strange? That was the leg of the tour.

It was a good show, was filmed very well-I was never into the backup singers and the horn section, the great camera work and in a huge stadium, a lot of people who had never seen Guns live might not get a true feeling from watching that show of the energy they have-the camera work is great, though, and So Fine and Estranged were  kind of the highlights for me-I could never see the current band doing Bad Obsession or Move to the City-I just always hated when you would hear Live and Let die and you would hear Stacy and Roberta come on, and hated having 14 people on stage at the end during Paradise City-I always hated Axl's costume changes also-I think his current look right now is the best yet, by the way-it was just a part of the bloated era for guns that makes me cringe-I think even they realized that when they switched to the Skin and Bones tour of 93

stolat, fuck off

it's my best performance life of theirs... and its somewhat mythical. And hey! there were no disturbances on that show... maybe that was the reason besides being a great fucking show?  : ok:

The DVDs are labelled Use Your Illusion World Tour - 1992 in Tokyo

maybe the get in the tour was a part of use your illusion world tour? like a japan tour can be a part of a world tour....

Or it could be because they were introducing some new material.

They did Estranged as part of the encore, and Axl had to introduce it. "This song is about waking up on a sunny? day and deciding to commit hari kari". Crowd cheers! "Oh, you're into that are you?" (or something along those lines).

i think it's because it may have been the best of the ones they recorded. they can't record every show in the course of 2 and a half years... no where near in the realm of a reasonable budget.

i liked that performance. i saw 2 shows in that tour... and it was phenomenal. when i saw them... they were sloppy, all over the place and axl wasn't on point. but it was still a great show.

to me... i think Axl in 2006 is better than Axl in 1992-93 live... IMO.

But Tokyo is a great show.

I think the sound lets down the film experience, everything sounds too flat. It all seems a bit contrived as well, all rehearsed moves, posing and posturing.

I really like the second half of Rocket Queen though, thats seems to be a moment were everyone is completely lost in the music and are completely rocking out for themselves. I love seeing Axl screaming his lungs out even although he looks like he is in pain doing so.

Its such a bummer this is the only show they released.

It was professionally filmed with multiple cameras in addition to those you see at normal shows.

I think it aired on Japanese TV? Or maybe it was just that they used a TV company's crew?

It mentions TDK and Japanese Satellite Broadcasting in the credits....


Add to the fact that it was a huge gig in a legendary venue.





/jarmo

yes sail away sweet sister was the intro to SCOM at many other shows besides Tokyo. haven't you seen paris 92?

Those extra cameras are great, it's almost as if the viewer is sitting right there on stage with the band. It's extremely intimate viewing!

Good call Jarmo. From what I understand (though I think others on here can confirm)- the Tokyo Dome is the "Yankee Stadium" (all be it nowhere near as old) of Japan. At least that's what my friend told me when I visited him in Japan... of course he is a Yomiuri Giants fan though... :smoking:

One day soon i hope. They will put out alot of UYI shows on dvd in 3 or 4 dvds sets. You know? It would be fuckin great. Any who, as for tokyo, They should of put out them playing in front of 72.000 in London, England form 8/31/91. And the Tokyo show they put out was not even the best show from the 3 or 4 shows they did there.

The colors and picture on the DVD release is so amazing compared to the VHS. The sound is much better as well.  The band is tight as fuck in tokyo.  SweetChild was the worst performance.  I still enjoy watching this show.

I agree about Sweet Child. Axl knocks his voice out of tune with that crazy screaming intro. However, that's the only performance on the DVDs I ever skip. I think he sings beautifully on every other song. I'd rather his voice be rough and raspy than silky, squeaky smooth.